Re: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Logo Preferences
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Bulat Ziganshin bulat.zigans...@gmail.comwrote: Hello Sebastian, Monday, March 9, 2009, 1:08:50 PM, you wrote: i think we should make 2-stage voting, like in F1 after 1st stage we will know which logos are most popular and therefore are real candidates, so we can select among them One of the reasons condorcet voting is good is that this isn't needed. If everyone is consistent in which logos they prefer the results from second voting stage will be identical to just picking the condorcet voting from the first stage. The interface to the condorcet voting site is actually pretty good (try out one of the samples), so it's pretty easy to just move to top the ones you prefer and move the ones you dislike to the bottom. Then you can ignore the vast majority of don't care logos in the middle, and just fine tune your ranking at the top and bottom. -- Sebastian Sylvan +44(0)7857-300802 UIN: 44640862 ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Logo Preferences
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Sebastian Sylvan sebastian.syl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Bulat Ziganshin bulat.zigans...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Sebastian, Monday, March 9, 2009, 1:08:50 PM, you wrote: i think we should make 2-stage voting, like in F1 after 1st stage we will know which logos are most popular and therefore are real candidates, so we can select among them One of the reasons condorcet voting is good is that this isn't needed. If everyone is consistent in which logos they prefer the results from second voting stage will be identical to just picking the condorcet voting from the first stage. picking the condorcet winner -- Sebastian Sylvan +44(0)7857-300802 UIN: 44640862 ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Logo Preferences
2009/3/9 Sebastian Sylvan sebastian.syl...@gmail.com On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Bulat Ziganshin bulat.zigans...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Sebastian, Monday, March 9, 2009, 1:08:50 PM, you wrote: i think we should make 2-stage voting, like in F1 after 1st stage we will know which logos are most popular and therefore are real candidates, so we can select among them One of the reasons condorcet voting is good is that this isn't needed. If everyone is consistent in which logos they prefer the results from second voting stage will be identical to just picking the condorcet voting from the first stage. The interface to the condorcet voting site is actually pretty good (try out one of the samples), so it's pretty easy to just move to top the ones you prefer and move the ones you dislike to the bottom. Then you can ignore the vast majority of don't care logos in the middle, and just fine tune your ranking at the top and bottom. With so many candidates, I think a two-stage process would be helpful. For example, what if a variant of a logo I liked ended up being popular, but I missed that one and didn't rank it (not unreasonable, there are a hundred logos). After the top candidates have been selected, I will surely notice it up there. Of course, introducing multi-stage voting breaks some of the properties we'd like a voting system to have. But, alas, you (provably) can't have it all :-) Luke ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Logo Preferences
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Luke Palmer lrpal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/3/9 Sebastian Sylvan sebastian.syl...@gmail.com On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Bulat Ziganshin bulat.zigans...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Sebastian, Monday, March 9, 2009, 1:08:50 PM, you wrote: i think we should make 2-stage voting, like in F1 after 1st stage we will know which logos are most popular and therefore are real candidates, so we can select among them One of the reasons condorcet voting is good is that this isn't needed. If everyone is consistent in which logos they prefer the results from second voting stage will be identical to just picking the condorcet voting from the first stage. The interface to the condorcet voting site is actually pretty good (try out one of the samples), so it's pretty easy to just move to top the ones you prefer and move the ones you dislike to the bottom. Then you can ignore the vast majority of don't care logos in the middle, and just fine tune your ranking at the top and bottom. With so many candidates, I think a two-stage process would be helpful. For example, what if a variant of a logo I liked ended up being popular, but I missed that one and didn't rank it (not unreasonable, there are a hundred logos). After the top candidates have been selected, I will surely notice it up there. Of course, introducing multi-stage voting breaks some of the properties we'd like a voting system to have. But, alas, you (provably) can't have it all :-) It just seems like duplicated work to me. They're still few enough that I can scan through them and multi-select the ones I like and then click move to top in a pretty short amount of time (and then refine the ranking if I care). Having to vote twice just seems like a lot of extra effort for questionable added benefit. Maybe one vote requires people to be more careful about their rank (though you'd hope that any minor mistakes, such as the one you describe, would be random and therefore roughly cancel out over a few hundred votes), but at least it won't require them to vote twice. I say leave the plan the way it is. It's Good Enough (TM). The hassles of more delays while we go through an arduous processes isn't worth any theoretical minor gains. -- Sebastian Sylvan +44(0)7857-300802 UIN: 44640862 ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
