Re: Is Guix System moving to GNU/Hurd microkernel, which does not support x86_64 as of now

2020-05-08 Thread Sanjay Mysore
Thank you for the clarification.

On Sat, 9 May 2020, 10:03 am Leo Famulari,  wrote:

> On Sat, May 09, 2020 at 09:11:16AM +0530, Sanjay Mysore wrote:
> > I had burnt the DVD and was about to install Guix, but accidentally I
> saw a
> > post regarding the subject, at Phoronix... Is this true?
> > If so, then I am sad32bit systems do not support large RAM
>
> On April 1 2020 we made the blog post "Deprecating support for the Linux
> kernel" [0]. The claim that we are abandoning Linux was a joke.
>
> Guix already supports GNU/Hurd, but it is not the default. The Hurd is
> progressing but Guix is still focused on GNU/Linux.
>
> [0]
> https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2020/deprecating-support-for-the-linux-kernel/
>


Re: Is Guix System moving to GNU/Hurd microkernel, which does not support x86_64 as of now

2020-05-08 Thread Leo Famulari
On Sat, May 09, 2020 at 09:11:16AM +0530, Sanjay Mysore wrote:
> I had burnt the DVD and was about to install Guix, but accidentally I saw a
> post regarding the subject, at Phoronix... Is this true?
> If so, then I am sad32bit systems do not support large RAM

On April 1 2020 we made the blog post "Deprecating support for the Linux
kernel" [0]. The claim that we are abandoning Linux was a joke.

Guix already supports GNU/Hurd, but it is not the default. The Hurd is
progressing but Guix is still focused on GNU/Linux.

[0]
https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2020/deprecating-support-for-the-linux-kernel/



Is Guix System moving to GNU/Hurd microkernel, which does not support x86_64 as of now

2020-05-08 Thread Sanjay Mysore
Hello
I had burnt the DVD and was about to install Guix, but accidentally I saw a
post regarding the subject, at Phoronix... Is this true?
If so, then I am sad32bit systems do not support large RAM

-- 
With Best Regards
Sanjay. M.R


Re: core-updates merged!

2020-05-08 Thread Jack Hill



On Fri, 8 May 2020, Marius Bakke wrote:


Guix,

The mythical 'core-updates' branch was just merged to 'master'!


Yay! Thanks Marius for shepherding this through.

Best,
Jack



Re: Guix on the MNT Reform

2020-05-08 Thread John Soo
Hey there,

I am definitely interested in the Reform. Can we see if we can work out 
something in advance? The ship date is tentatively in December 2020.

- John


core-updates merged!

2020-05-08 Thread Marius Bakke
Guix,

The mythical 'core-updates' branch was just merged to 'master'!

You will notice newer versions of many "core" packages such as glibc,
findutils, make, etc; see 'guix pull --news' for the scoop.  The mailing
list has a (non-exhaustive) overview of the big changes this round:

  https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2020-03/msg00412.html

Please report any problems you find to bug-g...@gnu.org.

Enjoy!


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Re: Guix on the MNT Reform

2020-05-08 Thread Leo Famulari
On Fri, May 08, 2020 at 11:52:51AM -0700, Vagrant Cascadian wrote:
> On the plus side, the A53 cores are immune to most spectre/meltdown
> attacks!

Yes, a mixed blessing, to be sure! Cortex-A53 is an in-order CPU design.



Re: Guix on the MNT Reform

2020-05-08 Thread Vagrant Cascadian
On 2020-05-08, Christopher Lemmer Webber wrote:
> I'm very excited to see the MNT Reform launch:
>
>   https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform
>   https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform/updates/the-campaign-is-live
...
> Most important specs:
>
> CPU: NXP/Freescale i.MX8MQ with 4x ARM Cortex-A53 cores (1.5 GHz),
>   1x Cortex-M4F core. CPU and RAM are on exchangeable SO-DIMM sized
>   module.

The A53 cores are going to seem quite slow for guix, I would guess.
I've run guix on a pinebook and pine64+ which also have quad-core A53
(although from a different vendor and less RAM) and the CPU was quite
slow...

On the plus side, the A53 cores are immune to most spectre/meltdown
attacks!


> RAM: 4GB LPDDR4 memory
> GPU: Vivante GC7000Lite GPU with mainline Linux drivers and OpenGL
>   2.1, ES 2.0
>
> (My other main worry is: that's pretty light on RAM these days...!
> But hey, maybe incentive for me to cut the fat in the programs I use a
> bit more...)

4GB is fairly useable with guix on the Pinebook Pro, though it has some
faster CPU cores as well.


> I am thinking of getting one and running Guix on it.  It would be nice
> to know that I wouldn't be alone. :)  Anyone else planning to get one
> and joing me on the journey on maybe the most hacker-oriented laptop
> ever?

It's very tempting, but I have too many barely working experimental
laptops already... and the price tag is a bit high. That the various
parts are upgradable, at least in theory, is quite nice!

I'd be curious what the power consumption profile is like at idle and
full load...


live well,
  vagrant


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Re: Guix on the MNT Reform

2020-05-08 Thread Ekaitz Zarraga
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Friday, May 8, 2020 5:06 PM, Christopher Lemmer Webber 
 wrote:

> I'm very excited to see the MNT Reform launch:
>
> https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform
> https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform/updates/the-campaign-is-live
>
> Completely hackable laptop; all the designs (that are possible) are
> libre, and you can even 3d print to replace many of the parts.
>
> However my impression is that running Guix on ARM is not necessarily
> straightforward. I haven't tried it yet.
>
> Most important specs:
>
> CPU: NXP/Freescale i.MX8MQ with 4x ARM Cortex-A53 cores (1.5 GHz),
> 1x Cortex-M4F core. CPU and RAM are on exchangeable SO-DIMM sized
> module.
> RAM: 4GB LPDDR4 memory
> GPU: Vivante GC7000Lite GPU with mainline Linux drivers and OpenGL
> 2.1, ES 2.0
>
> (My other main worry is: that's pretty light on RAM these days...!
> But hey, maybe incentive for me to cut the fat in the programs I use a
> bit more...)
>
> I am thinking of getting one and running Guix on it. It would be nice
> to know that I wouldn't be alone. :) Anyone else planning to get one
> and joing me on the journey on maybe the most hacker-oriented laptop
> ever?
>
> -   Chris

Hey Chris,

It's a great project, I've been checking the schematics and stuff myself and I 
liked it a lot. It's a great reference design to build on top of.
I can't afford one atm but I can do my best to help you play with it.
I'm really interested on if it's able to run Guix and I'd like to know about 
your experience with it.

Please keep me posted on your journey!

Best,
Ekaitz



Re: Guix on the MNT Reform

2020-05-08 Thread Simon Josefsson
Christopher Lemmer Webber  writes:

> I'm very excited to see the MNT Reform launch:
>
>   https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform
>   https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform/updates/the-campaign-is-live
>
> Completely hackable laptop; all the designs (that are possible) are
> libre, and you can even 3d print to replace many of the parts.

It looks quite expensive.  Did you look at the Pinebook Pro?

https://www.pine64.org/pinebook-pro/
https://store.pine64.org/?product=14%e2%80%b3-pinebook-pro-linux-laptop-64gb-emmc-iso-keyboard-estimated-dispatch-in-october-2019

I have ordered their Rockpro64 single-board computer to start Guix
experimentation on it.  It is an arm64 platform.

https://store.pine64.org/?product=rockpro64-4gb-single-board-computer

/Simon


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Guix on the MNT Reform

2020-05-08 Thread Christopher Lemmer Webber
I'm very excited to see the MNT Reform launch:

  https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform
  https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform/updates/the-campaign-is-live

Completely hackable laptop; all the designs (that are possible) are
libre, and you can even 3d print to replace many of the parts.

However my impression is that running Guix on ARM is not necessarily
straightforward.  I haven't tried it yet.

Most important specs:

CPU: NXP/Freescale i.MX8MQ with 4x ARM Cortex-A53 cores (1.5 GHz),
  1x Cortex-M4F core. CPU and RAM are on exchangeable SO-DIMM sized
  module.
RAM: 4GB LPDDR4 memory
GPU: Vivante GC7000Lite GPU with mainline Linux drivers and OpenGL
  2.1, ES 2.0

(My other main worry is: that's pretty light on RAM these days...!
But hey, maybe incentive for me to cut the fat in the programs I use a
bit more...)

I am thinking of getting one and running Guix on it.  It would be nice
to know that I wouldn't be alone. :)  Anyone else planning to get one
and joing me on the journey on maybe the most hacker-oriented laptop
ever?

 - Chris



Re: whishlist: guix build -d /gnu/store/hash-pkg-version?

2020-05-08 Thread Marius Bakke
zimoun  writes:

> Dear,
>
> When debugging, I find really useful the command: "guix build -d package".
>
> Is it possible to do the same on the resulting '/gnu/store/'?
>
> For example,
>
> $ guix build hello
> /gnu/store/kg9mirg6xbvzcp0a98v7326n1nvvwgsj-hello-2.10
>
> $ guix build -d hello
> /gnu/store/gknm68l0q893bpvyhcd4ccih1bmh0j87-hello-2.10.drv
>
> Well, I would like to do something like that?
>
> $ guix build -d /gnu/store/kg9mirg6xbvzcp0a98v7326n1nvvwgsj-hello-2.10
> /gnu/store/gknm68l0q893bpvyhcd4ccih1bmh0j87-hello-2.10.drv
>
> Does it make sense?

That does make sense and is already supported with 'guix gc --derivers':

$ guix gc --derivers /gnu/store/a462kby1q51ndvxdv3b6p0rsixxrgx1h-hello-2.10
/gnu/store/8s63hyw4f2ivf1zxkx65awlx5jackvbz-hello-2.10.drv

:-)


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