Re: substitute for Skype
I've used Jitsi Meet at work for many of my pair programming sessions on and off for the past few years. It's really quite simple to use from Guix. Step 1. Install `ungoogled-chromium`. Step 2. Open https://meet.jit.si in Chromium. Step 3. Type the name of the video chat room that you want to create in the text box on the Jitsi Meet home page and press the "Start meeting" button. Step 4. Grant your browser access to your camera and microphone. Step 5. Enjoy your call. ;) Note: On your first visit to the site, you may be prompted to install a browser extension for Google Calendar and Office 365 Integration. You can simply click the checkbox by "Don't show me this again" and close that pop-up. It's completely unnecessary for using Jitsi Meet. It's just a call scheduling feature for online calendars. Happy videoconferencing! Gary -- GPG Key ID: 7BC158ED Use `gpg --search-keys lambdatronic' to find me Protect yourself from surveillance: https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org === () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Why is HTML email a security nightmare? See https://useplaintext.email/ Please avoid sending me MS-Office attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
Re: substitute for Skype
Akib Azmain Turja writes: > [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]] > Benjamin Slade writes: > >> Depending on the exact use case, there are some other possibilities >> that don't run "natively" on Guix, but are still free software and >> could be installed from Flatpak or Nix. E.g. the Signal client for >> desktop and Matrix Element. >> >> Though, actually, I think the Nheko client for Matrix (available as >> a Guix package) also has voice/video call support though I haven't >> tried it before. >> >> --Ben > > What about XMPP (Jabber)? Dino, a XMPP client, supports encrypted video > chat from version 0.3, and it's packaged in Guix. As XMPP is > decentralized, the users don't need to have an account on your server. XMPP and Matrix are both federated, if your guests don't already have accounts somewhere, they will need to register somewhere. There is work on making Matrix fully peer to peer, but it's not yet done. Tox and Jami are fully peer to peer, so you only need a client, no server needed. When I last used Tox it kind of sucked if you wanted to log in from multiple machines, so, keep that in mind if you want persistent text chat as well. Matrix solves this issue, you can log in from any number of clients, even simultaneously. XMPP... well if you want encryption, it's pretty janky. OMEMO became desynced for me with both Dino and Gajim and never recovered, so new messages could not be decrypted by all participants. Based on that, I would recommend against XMPP for persistent chat rooms. Of course if you only use Dino for video chat and don't care about chat history, this is less of an issue.
Re: substitute for Skype
Hi Luis, Luis Felipe writes: > Hi Gottfried, > > On Monday, August 1st, 2022 at 15:47, Gottfried wrote: > >> Has somebody got experience with Jami or Mumble? > > I've used Jami until recently. As other people already mentioned, installing > the "jami" package should be enough. > > I only used it to converse with one person at a time, not group > [audio|video]chats. When it worked, it was enjoyable. Unfortunately, most of > the time it didn't. > > I tried it for several months at different times, checking if upgrades > would improve the experience, but the experience wasn't good enough to > grow a list of contacts that included people from mainstream culture > (people used to WhatsApp and proprietary software in general). The few > contacts I had (~5) eventually stopped using the application because > of its constant malfunctioning. Some contacts left making harsh > comments about it. > > Most noticeable problems: > > • Missing messages > • Sharing images, voice messages and files seldom worked Sadly, I can relate. Luckily there is some hope. The new swarm mechanism for syncing conversations via libgit is maturing and promises to avoid the loss of messages when delivery can't happen in real time (such as when the remote participant is offline). I think the latest release we have packaged already implements it in 1:1 conversations. Mobile clients may have other issues (the need to use push notifications or a gateway server to the distributed network to avoid wasting the tiny battery in a few hours introduces its own share of complications -- and bugs). Thanks for having shared your experience! Maxim
Re: substitute for Skype
Benjamin Slade writes: > Depending on the exact use case, there are some other possibilities > that don't run "natively" on Guix, but are still free software and > could be installed from Flatpak or Nix. E.g. the Signal client for > desktop and Matrix Element. > > Though, actually, I think the Nheko client for Matrix (available as a Guix > package) also has voice/video call support though I haven't tried it before. > > --Ben What about XMPP (Jabber)? Dino, a XMPP client, supports encrypted video chat from version 0.3, and it's packaged in Guix. As XMPP is decentralized, the users don't need to have an account on your server. -- Akib Azmain Turja Find me on Mastodon at @akib@hostux.social. This message is signed by me with my GnuPG key. Its fingerprint is: 7001 8CE5 819F 17A3 BBA6 66AF E74F 0EFA 922A E7F5 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: substitute for Skype
Depending on the exact use case, there are some other possibilities that don't run "natively" on Guix, but are still free software and could be installed from Flatpak or Nix. E.g. the Signal client for desktop and Matrix Element. Though, actually, I think the Nheko client for Matrix (available as a Guix package) also has voice/video call support though I haven't tried it before. --Ben
Re: substitute for Skype
Le lundi 01 août 2022 à 15:26 +, Gottfried a écrit : > > Jitsi Meet isn't in guix. But Jami is there. Jitsi is for voice / video calls / screen sharing, it requires running a server on one machine but particpants just need a web browser (major web browser work). I use a cheap VPS to run a Jitsi server instance. Jisti is packaged for Debian, it is easy to install an instance without any customization (see https://jitsi.github.io/handbook/docs/devops-guide/devops-guide-quickstart). There is no maintenance to do besides occasional software upgrades. This is what I use with a small group of non-technical people within small distance (5 people usually, some within 700 km range sometimes) on a regular basis and we rarely have problems (the most frequent problem is permission issues to access the microphone/camera). I have tried it once with 12 people, it was more difficult, but I was using the cheapest VPS possible. You can try it using public instances without installing one yourself, for instance using https://framatalk.org/abc/en/ (I guess you are in Europe, these are European servers). Of course, it may depend how busy the server is. For voice only, for a small group, Mumble is a pretty reliable solution too (it also needs running a server, I never did but I assume it is at least as easy as Jitsi). David. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: substitute for Skype
Hi Gottfried, On Monday, August 1st, 2022 at 15:47, Gottfried wrote: > Has somebody got experience with Jami or Mumble? I've used Jami until recently. As other people already mentioned, installing the "jami" package should be enough. I only used it to converse with one person at a time, not group [audio|video]chats. When it worked, it was enjoyable. Unfortunately, most of the time it didn't. I tried it for several months at different times, checking if upgrades would improve the experience, but the experience wasn't good enough to grow a list of contacts that included people from mainstream culture (people used to WhatsApp and proprietary software in general). The few contacts I had (~5) eventually stopped using the application because of its constant malfunctioning. Some contacts left making harsh comments about it. Most noticeable problems: • Missing messages • Sharing images, voice messages and files seldom worked This was pretty much people on Windows and Android devices and only me on a Guix System. The problems were not limited to communication with me, though, they were also present in android-to-android and windows-to-android communication. There were a couple of times though were I could stablish audio communication for more than one hour without problems. But those times were exceptions. That said, please try it out. Maybe things have changed. I hope. Also, if you'd like to try it out, make sure there are substitutes available. Last time I upgraded my profile (10 days ago) there were no substites for "libjami", I think, and my computer was not powerful enough to build it. publickey - luis.felipe.la@protonmail.com - 0x12DE1598.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: substitute for Skype
Hi Gottfried, Gottfried writes: > Thanks for all answers, > > I want to use my laptop and talk to somebody or even exeptionally to > others (several people) in a room, connected through one > laptop. (through more laptops - I haven't done it yet, so I don't > know) > > Earlier I used Skype. > > Jitsi Meet isn't in guix. But Jami is there. > > > There are 8 packages for Jami, do I need to install all of them? > > > ffmpeg-jami 4.4.2 Audio and video framework htttps://www.ffmpeg.org/ > > jami 20220726.1515.da8d1da Qt Jami client https://jami.net > > jami-gnome20220726.1515.da8d1da Qt Jami client https://jami.net > > jami-qt 20220726.1515.da8d1da Qt Jami client https://jami.net > > libjami 20220726.1515.da8d1da Jami core library and daemon > https://jami.net/ > > libring 20220726.1515.da8d1da Jami core library and daemon > https://jami.net/ > > node-jsondiffpatch0.3.11 Diff & Patch for Javascript objects > https://github.com/benjamine/jsondiffpatch > > pjproject-jami2.11-0.e1f389d Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) > stack https://www.pjsip.org You should 'guix pull'; it was updated yesterday. Now there's only one client package, 'jami'. You can run it via 'guix shell jami -- jami' to try it out, or install it. I'd suggest getting to know jami itself before venturing into jami-service-type. You can already make calls and add more users manually to get started. When you want some permanent channel that people can call and join automatically, jami-service-type will provide value. Thanks, Maxim
Re: substitute for Skype
On Mon Aug 1, 2022 at 4:47 PM BST, Gottfried wrote: > 1 for mumble, 9 for murmur, which belong together, as far as I > understand it. Murmur is a non-cryptographic hash function which has absolutely nothing to do with Mumble (though it's entirely possible Mumble uses a MurmurHash somewhere)... -- (
Re: substitute for Skype
Hi Guixers,
Sorry, I forgot to mention "mumble" besides "Jami" and "Jitsi Meet".
Only Jami and Mumble are available in Guix.
mumble: Version 1.4.230
Defined at gnu/packages/telephony.scm:556 (guix channel)
Installation command: guix install mumble
Package details of mumble
Mumble is an low-latency, high quality voice chat software primarily
intended for use while gaming. Mumble consists of two applications for
separate usage: mumble for the client, and murmur for the server.
There is 1 version available for this package.
Home page https://wiki.mumble.info/wiki/Main_Page
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cl-murmurhash 0.0.0-1.5433f5e 32-bit version of Murmurhash3 for Common
Lisp https://github.com/ruricolist/cl-murmurhash/
ecl-cl-murmurhash 0.0.0-1.5433f5e 32-bit version of Murmurhash3 for
Common Lisp https://github.com/ruricolist/cl-murmurhash/
ghc-murmur-hash 0.1.0.9 MurmurHash2 implementation for Haskell
https://github.com/nominolo/murmur-hash
go-github-com-spaolacci-murmur3 1.1.0 Native MurmurHash3 Go
implementation https://github.com/spaolacci/murmur3
go-github-com-twmb-murmur3 1.1.3 Native MurmurHash3 Go implementation
https://github.com/twmb/murmur3
node-emotion-hash 0.6.6 A MurmurHash2 implementationfalse
python-murmurhash 1.0.7 Cython bindings for MurmurHash2
https://github.com/explosion/murmurhash
python-murmurhash3 2.3.5 Python wrapper for MurmurHash (MurmurHash3)
https://github.com/veegee/mmh3
sbcl-cl-murmurhash 0.0.0-1.5433f5e 32-bit version of Murmurhash3 for
Common Lisp https://github.com/ruricolist/cl-murmurhash/
There are 10 packages available for mumble.
1 for mumble, 9 for murmur, which belong together, as far as I
understand it.
Has somebody got experience with Jami or Mumble?
Gottfried
Am 01.08.22 um 17:26 schrieb Gottfried:
Thanks for all answers,
I want to use my laptop and talk to somebody or even exeptionally to
others (several people) in a room, connected through one laptop.
(through more laptops - I haven't done it yet, so I don't know)
Earlier I used Skype.
Jitsi Meet isn't in guix. But Jami is there.
There are 8 packages for Jami, do I need to install all of them?
ffmpeg-jami 4.4.2 Audio and video framework
htttps://www.ffmpeg.org/
jami 20220726.1515.da8d1da Qt Jami client https://jami.net
jami-gnome 20220726.1515.da8d1da Qt Jami client https://jami.net
jami-qt 20220726.1515.da8d1da Qt Jami client https://jami.net
libjami 20220726.1515.da8d1da Jami core library and daemon
https://jami.net/
libring 20220726.1515.da8d1da Jami core library and daemon
https://jami.net/
node-jsondiffpatch 0.3.11 Diff & Patch for Javascript objects
https://github.com/benjamine/jsondiffpatch
pjproject-jami 2.11-0.e1f389d Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)
stack https://www.pjsip.org
Additionally, I guess, I have to set up "jami-service-type"
Gottfried
Am 01.08.22 um 14:36 schrieb Maxim Cournoyer:
Hi Gottfried,
"(" writes:
On Mon Aug 1, 2022 at 12:55 PM BST, Akib Azmain Turja wrote:
There is a software named Jitsi Meet, through I think that's not what
you want.
Also, Jitsi only really has a web application. (There *is* a desktop
app,
but it's written in Java and appears to be abandoned, and it's not in
Guix.)
I think Jami may be the closest thing to Skype we have. If you are
interested in setting up persistent conference rooms, you may be
interested in the jami-service-type as well, which makes it easy to host
such on headless servers.
Thanks,
Maxim
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Re: substitute for Skype
On Mon Aug 1, 2022 at 4:26 PM BST, Gottfried wrote: > jami 20220726.1515.da8d1da Qt Jami client https://jami.net You want this one. The rest are all internal things, except for: > jami-gnome20220726.1515.da8d1da Qt Jami client https://jami.net which is a legacy client, based on GTK. They've switched to using Qt for the client. > Additionally, I guess, I have to set up "jami-service-type" Only if you need a rendezvous point, which you probably don't. -- (
Re: substitute for Skype
Thanks for all answers,
I want to use my laptop and talk to somebody or even exeptionally to
others (several people) in a room, connected through one laptop.
(through more laptops - I haven't done it yet, so I don't know)
Earlier I used Skype.
Jitsi Meet isn't in guix. But Jami is there.
There are 8 packages for Jami, do I need to install all of them?
ffmpeg-jami 4.4.2 Audio and video framework htttps://www.ffmpeg.org/
jami20220726.1515.da8d1da Qt Jami client https://jami.net
jami-gnome 20220726.1515.da8d1da Qt Jami client https://jami.net
jami-qt 20220726.1515.da8d1da Qt Jami client https://jami.net
libjami 20220726.1515.da8d1da Jami core library and daemon
https://jami.net/
libring 20220726.1515.da8d1da Jami core library and daemon
https://jami.net/
node-jsondiffpatch 0.3.11 Diff & Patch for Javascript objects
https://github.com/benjamine/jsondiffpatch
pjproject-jami 2.11-0.e1f389d Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) stack
https://www.pjsip.org
Additionally, I guess, I have to set up "jami-service-type"
Gottfried
Am 01.08.22 um 14:36 schrieb Maxim Cournoyer:
Hi Gottfried,
"(" writes:
On Mon Aug 1, 2022 at 12:55 PM BST, Akib Azmain Turja wrote:
There is a software named Jitsi Meet, through I think that's not what
you want.
Also, Jitsi only really has a web application. (There *is* a desktop app,
but it's written in Java and appears to be abandoned, and it's not in
Guix.)
I think Jami may be the closest thing to Skype we have. If you are
interested in setting up persistent conference rooms, you may be
interested in the jami-service-type as well, which makes it easy to host
such on headless servers.
Thanks,
Maxim
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Re: substitute for Skype
Hi Gottfried,
"(" writes:
> On Mon Aug 1, 2022 at 12:55 PM BST, Akib Azmain Turja wrote:
>> There is a software named Jitsi Meet, through I think that's not what
>> you want.
> Also, Jitsi only really has a web application. (There *is* a desktop app,
> but it's written in Java and appears to be abandoned, and it's not in
> Guix.)
I think Jami may be the closest thing to Skype we have. If you are
interested in setting up persistent conference rooms, you may be
interested in the jami-service-type as well, which makes it easy to host
such on headless servers.
Thanks,
Maxim
Re: substitute for Skype
On Mon Aug 1, 2022 at 12:55 PM BST, Akib Azmain Turja wrote: > There is a software named Jitsi Meet, through I think that's not what > you want. Also, Jitsi only really has a web application. (There *is* a desktop app, but it's written in Java and appears to be abandoned, and it's not in Guix.) -- (
Re: substitute for Skype
Gottfried writes: > Hi Guixers, > > is there a substitute for Skype available in Guix? > > I don't want to use Skype as a Microsoft Programm. > > Gottfried > > There is a software named Jitsi Meet, through I think that's not what you want. -- Akib Azmain Turja Find me on Mastodon at @akib@hostux.social. This message is signed by me with my GnuPG key. It's fingerprint is: 7001 8CE5 819F 17A3 BBA6 66AF E74F 0EFA 922A E7F5 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: substitute for Skype
On Mon Aug 1, 2022 at 12:00 PM BST, Gottfried wrote: > is there a substitute for Skype available in Guix? Try GNU Jami or Mumble. (Not sure how good these are, I just know that they do video conferencing.) -- (
