Re: Run .deb or .rpm packages
André A. Gomes writes: > I was wondering if it was technically possible, though. But I > understand your comment that I'd get a "file not found" anyway. > > From a freedom perspective, what are my options? Running a virtual > machine with ubuntu/fedora for this sole purpose? you might consider containers as another option-- start an ubuntu docker container and install it in there.
Re: Run .deb or .rpm packages
Remco writes: > 2021/12/08 20:10, André A. Gomes: > >> From a freedom perspective, what are my options? Running a virtual >> machine with ubuntu/fedora for this sole purpose? > > I've had some success running debian packages from a chroot environment > on my guix installation. There's a debootstrap package which allows you > to create a chroot environment. > > Something like: > > guix shell debootstrap -- debootstrap --arch=amd64 bullseye > my-bullseye-install > > and then: > > mount -t proc proc my-bullseye-install/proc > mount -t devpts devpts my-bullseye-install/dev/pts > chroot my-bullseye-install /bin/bash --login > > You'll probably need to run all these as root. Thank you for this valuable tip, Remco. -- André A. Gomes "Free Thought, Free World"
Re: Run .deb or .rpm packages
On 2021-12-12, Efraim Flashner wrote: > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 10:30:36AM +0100, Hartmut Goebel wrote: >> Le 8 décembre 2021 14:46:24 GMT-05:00, "André A. >> Gomes" a écrit : >> >> > --8<---cut here---start->8--- >> > $ sudo dpkg -i foo-package.deb >> > dpkg: error: unable to access the dpkg database directory >> > /gnu/store/902w5i1j38r33l6p871dyhng19zj1phk-dpkg-1.20.9/var/lib/dpkg: >> > Read-only file system >> > --8<---cut here---end--->8--- >> > >> > Any ideas? I don't know much about .deb or .rpm. >> >> Beside Julien's objections: There might be legitimate use of installing .deb >> or .rpm packages and they might even work. E.g. i one wants to install free >> software provided as a .deb only and at the moment does not have the time to >> create a package definition for it. >> >> So, "dpkg" and "rpm" should at least work :-) >> >> Regarding the error show above: One would need to add "--localstatedir=/var" >> to the config flags (not sure whether this would build, then, since most >> probably "make install" will try to create "/var/lib/dpkg" which will fail >> in the build container. >> > > When I packaged dpkg I deliberately didn't "fix" the localstatedir or > any other flags since Guix doesn't support installing packages from .deb > archives. Similar to the rpm package it is primarily used for the other > parts of the package. > > Vagrant has said in the past though that Guix's dpkg can be used to > install packages on Debian based systems. I don't think I would recommend trying that! It *might* technically work with some changes to the guix dpkg package, it seems a bit risky; you'd probably have a "native" dpkg available and I'm not sure I see the benefit then. I mostly found it useful to extract (dpkg-deb --extract PACKAGE.deb, dpkg-deb --control PACKAGE.ded) and inspect .deb packages from Guix System. Whenever I need a Debian environment on Guix System I usually just use debootstrap to create a chroot and work from there. Thanks everyone for Debianing your Guixs and Guixing your Debians! live well, vagrant signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Run .deb or .rpm packages
On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 10:30:36AM +0100, Hartmut Goebel wrote: > Hi, > > Le 8 décembre 2021 14:46:24 GMT-05:00, "André A. > Gomes" a écrit : > > > --8<---cut here---start->8--- > > $ sudo dpkg -i foo-package.deb > > dpkg: error: unable to access the dpkg database directory > > /gnu/store/902w5i1j38r33l6p871dyhng19zj1phk-dpkg-1.20.9/var/lib/dpkg: > > Read-only file system > > --8<---cut here---end--->8--- > > > > Any ideas? I don't know much about .deb or .rpm. > > Beside Julien's objections: There might be legitimate use of installing .deb > or .rpm packages and they might even work. E.g. i one wants to install free > software provided as a .deb only and at the moment does not have the time to > create a package definition for it. > > So, "dpkg" and "rpm" should at least work :-) > > Regarding the error show above: One would need to add "--localstatedir=/var" > to the config flags (not sure whether this would build, then, since most > probably "make install" will try to create "/var/lib/dpkg" which will fail > in the build container. > When I packaged dpkg I deliberately didn't "fix" the localstatedir or any other flags since Guix doesn't support installing packages from .deb archives. Similar to the rpm package it is primarily used for the other parts of the package. Vagrant has said in the past though that Guix's dpkg can be used to install packages on Debian based systems. -- Efraim Flashner רנשלפ םירפא GPG key = A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D 14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351 Confidentiality cannot be guaranteed on emails sent or received unencrypted signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Run .deb or .rpm packages
Hi, Le 8 décembre 2021 14:46:24 GMT-05:00, "André A. Gomes" a écrit : --8<---cut here---start->8--- $ sudo dpkg -i foo-package.deb dpkg: error: unable to access the dpkg database directory /gnu/store/902w5i1j38r33l6p871dyhng19zj1phk-dpkg-1.20.9/var/lib/dpkg: Read-only file system --8<---cut here---end--->8--- Any ideas? I don't know much about .deb or .rpm. Beside Julien's objections: There might be legitimate use of installing .deb or .rpm packages and they might even work. E.g. i one wants to install free software provided as a .deb only and at the moment does not have the time to create a package definition for it. So, "dpkg" and "rpm" should at least work :-) Regarding the error show above: One would need to add "--localstatedir=/var" to the config flags (not sure whether this would build, then, since most probably "make install" will try to create "/var/lib/dpkg" which will fail in the build container. -- Regards Hartmut Goebel | Hartmut Goebel |h.goe...@crazy-compilers.com| |www.crazy-compilers.com | compilers which you thought are impossible |
Re: Run .deb or .rpm packages
2021/12/08 20:10, André A. Gomes: > From a freedom perspective, what are my options? Running a virtual > machine with ubuntu/fedora for this sole purpose? I've had some success running debian packages from a chroot environment on my guix installation. There's a debootstrap package which allows you to create a chroot environment. Something like: guix shell debootstrap -- debootstrap --arch=amd64 bullseye my-bullseye-install and then: mount -t proc proc my-bullseye-install/proc mount -t devpts devpts my-bullseye-install/dev/pts chroot my-bullseye-install /bin/bash --login You'll probably need to run all these as root. Remco
Re: Run .deb or .rpm packages
Julien Lepiller writes: > I don't think it's a good idea to use a .deb or .rpm with guix, as > they contain precompiled software. Even considering free software, > they are compiled with a giver system (probably ubuntu and fedora, > respectively) that make them incompatible with guix. Even if you > successfuly installed them, I'm afraid you'd get a confusing "file not > found" anyway. > > You should ask your government for the source code, and compile it for > the guix system. Sorry that this is my best answer, it's probably not > what you wanted to hear :/ I totally agree with you. I actually made that request, but I was told that I have no right to access the sources :) I was wondering if it was technically possible, though. But I understand your comment that I'd get a "file not found" anyway. >From a freedom perspective, what are my options? Running a virtual machine with ubuntu/fedora for this sole purpose? Thank you Julien. -- André A. Gomes "Free Thought, Free World"
Re: Run .deb or .rpm packages
I don't think it's a good idea to use a .deb or .rpm with guix, as they contain precompiled software. Even considering free software, they are compiled with a giver system (probably ubuntu and fedora, respectively) that make them incompatible with guix. Even if you successfuly installed them, I'm afraid you'd get a confusing "file not found" anyway. You should ask your government for the source code, and compile it for the guix system. Sorry that this is my best answer, it's probably not what you wanted to hear :/ Le 8 décembre 2021 14:46:24 GMT-05:00, "André A. Gomes" a écrit : >Gary Johnson writes: > >> André A. Gomes writes: >> >>> Hi Guix, >>> >>> I'm wondering if it's possible to install .deb or .rpm packages on the >>> Guix system. >>> >>> For context, my government only provides me these solutions to install a >>> authentication plugin that I use with my ID (smart) card. >>> >>> Thanks. >> >> Hi André, >> >> You can install the `dpkg` package with `guix package -i dpkg`. Hope >> that helps. > >Indeed. I should have said that I did that, and then encountered the >following issue: > >--8<---cut here---start->8--- >$ sudo dpkg -i foo-package.deb >dpkg: error: unable to access the dpkg database directory >/gnu/store/902w5i1j38r33l6p871dyhng19zj1phk-dpkg-1.20.9/var/lib/dpkg: >Read-only file system >--8<---cut here---end--->8--- > >Any ideas? I don't know much about .deb or .rpm. > >Thank you Gary. > > >-- >André A. Gomes >"Free Thought, Free World" >
Re: Run .deb or .rpm packages
Gary Johnson writes: > André A. Gomes writes: > >> Hi Guix, >> >> I'm wondering if it's possible to install .deb or .rpm packages on the >> Guix system. >> >> For context, my government only provides me these solutions to install a >> authentication plugin that I use with my ID (smart) card. >> >> Thanks. > > Hi André, > > You can install the `dpkg` package with `guix package -i dpkg`. Hope > that helps. Indeed. I should have said that I did that, and then encountered the following issue: --8<---cut here---start->8--- $ sudo dpkg -i foo-package.deb dpkg: error: unable to access the dpkg database directory /gnu/store/902w5i1j38r33l6p871dyhng19zj1phk-dpkg-1.20.9/var/lib/dpkg: Read-only file system --8<---cut here---end--->8--- Any ideas? I don't know much about .deb or .rpm. Thank you Gary. -- André A. Gomes "Free Thought, Free World"
Re: Run .deb or .rpm packages
André A. Gomes writes: > Hi Guix, > > I'm wondering if it's possible to install .deb or .rpm packages on the > Guix system. > > For context, my government only provides me these solutions to install a > authentication plugin that I use with my ID (smart) card. > > Thanks. Hi André, You can install the `dpkg` package with `guix package -i dpkg`. Hope that helps. Good luck, Gary -- GPG Key ID: 7BC158ED Use `gpg --search-keys lambdatronic' to find me Protect yourself from surveillance: https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org === () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Why is HTML email a security nightmare? See https://useplaintext.email/ Please avoid sending me MS-Office attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
Run .deb or .rpm packages
Hi Guix, I'm wondering if it's possible to install .deb or .rpm packages on the Guix system. For context, my government only provides me these solutions to install a authentication plugin that I use with my ID (smart) card. Thanks. -- André A. Gomes "Free Thought, Free World"
