RE: gurdy tuning was: Re: [HG] Still there?
Tuned it, loved it!! Pieter -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Simon Wascher Verzonden: vrijdag 4 april 2008 12:50 Aan: hg@hurdygurdy.com Onderwerp: gurdy tuning was: Re: [HG] Still there? Hello, Am 04.04.2008 um 10:48 schrieb Lauwers Pieter: I'm just looking for a good, standard temperament to tune both my HG in. (G/C and a D/G. A little bit like tangent tuning for dummies. First, a general answer: tune the gurdies to Kirnberger II (http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirnberger_temperament) - this is easy if you either 1. have got a tuner that is capable of this temperament or 2. are able to hear and tune pure fifths: tune all fifths pure exept D-A and A-E, put the A into about the middle position between its position as pure fifth A-D and its position as pure fifth A-E. if you can hear pure fifths this tunung practically can be achived the following way (here for G/C): tune the trompette to D according to the A of the tuner tune the G drone according to the to the tropette in D, tune the open G chanter, all G and H to the drone of G, tune all A and C# to the tuner, tune all D and F# to the tropette in D (retune the trompette after the tuner A if neccessary), tune the C drone to the open G chanter, tune all C, E, F and Ab (the C as major third of Ab) to the drone of C, retune the mouche or G drone into F according to the C drone, and tune the Bb to the F retune the C drone into Bb according to the now F drone, and tune the Eb to the Bb. now a row of pure fifths is established: E-H-F#-C#-G#/Ab-Eb-Bb-F-C-G- D-A the interval E-A is much too small. The fret for A is fine in G but to high in C major or A minor. Retune the A down a bit, so that if you press the key with minimum pressure it sounds nice in C and if you press it with more pressure it sounds nice in G. Check the effect by playing an F major chord (F A C) and an D major chord (D F# A) alternating. For this it is helpfull to switch between the trompette in D to support the A major chord and the C drone to support the F major chord. This retuning of the A now establishes a version of the Kirnberger II temperament as it is splitting the ditonic comma (difference between 7 octaves and 12 perfect fifths) between the two fifths D-A and A-E. The difference to standard Kirnberger II temperament is that sice one can change the pitch of A by pressing the key more or less, the split of the comma is not equally distributed, A-E is bigger than D-A which can be corrected by pressing the key. kind regards, Simon --- have a look at: http://hurdygurdywiki.wiki-site.com http://drehleierwiki.wiki-site.com --- my site: http://simonwascher.info
Re: [HG] Still there?
pang - Original Message - From: Pieter Lauwers To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 7:32 AM Subject: RE: [HG] Still there? Pong -- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: vrijdag 4 april 2008 6:26 Aan: hg@hurdygurdy.com Onderwerp: Re: [HG] Still there? Ping -- Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1356 - Release Date: 2-4-2008 16:14
Re: [HG] Still there?
bzzz Original-Nachricht Datum: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:51:56 +0200 Von: Reymen Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: hg@hurdygurdy.com Betreff: Re: [HG] Still there? pang - Original Message - From: Pieter Lauwers To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 7:32 AM Subject: RE: [HG] Still there? Pong Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: vrijdag 4 april 2008 6:26 Aan: hg@hurdygurdy.com Onderwerp: Re: [HG] Still there? Ping Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1356 - Release Date: 2-4-2008 16:14 -- Will man Schweres bewältigen, muss man es leicht angehen. Bertold Brecht
RE: [HG] Still there?
Nick, All the strings are adjustable. I adjusted the low D to a length where the high d-tangent needs no adjustment to the left or right. It means shortening the string ± 5 millimeters. It works, but am I doing it right? Pieter From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O Sullivan, Nick Sent: 04 April 2008 11:12 To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Subject: RE: [HG] Still there? Hello Pieter, Can you adjust the string length of the low D at the nut? Nick O'Sullivan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauwers Pieter Sent: 04 April 2008 09:48 To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Subject: RE: [HG] Still there? There are definitely some weird people on this list! (Me included) A serious, even a little bit stupid question. I'm having some temperament problems. The moment I tune to a just temperament it feels as if I'm getting a dull sound without brilliance. I'm not that intelligent that I understand long dissertations about temperaments. I'm just looking for a good, standard temperament to tune both my HG in. (G/C and a D/G. A little bit like tangent tuning for dummies. I was also under the impression that there was a little difference in string length (on a D/G) between the high D string and the low D. Example: High D chanterelle has, open, a length of 34.6 cm. The D octave tangent is, without adaptation to left or right, at exactly 17.3 cm. If I do the same for the low D, the D octave tangent needs a lot of adapting. These problems are starting to keep me awake at night (together with to much coffee and to much stress at work) so I'm starting to look old. Help!!! Pieter From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ernst Kainzmeier Sent: 04 April 2008 10:18 To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Subject: Re: [HG] Still there? bzzz Original-Nachricht Datum: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:51:56 +0200 Von: Reymen Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: hg@hurdygurdy.com Betreff: Re: [HG] Still there? pang - Original Message - From: Pieter Lauwers http://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/g.fcgi/mail/new?CUSTOMERNO=1371995t=de1542125407.1207296878.a0b26120to=lauwers.pieter%40telenet.be To: hg@hurdygurdy.com http://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/g.fcgi/mail/new?CUSTOMERNO=1371995t=de1542125407.1207296878.a0b26120to=hg%40hurdygurdy.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 7:32 AM Subject: RE: [HG] Still there? Pong Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/g.fcgi/mail/new?CUSTOMERNO=1371995t=de1542125407.1207296878.a0b26120to=owner-hg%40hurdygurdy.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/g.fcgi/mail/new?CUSTOMERNO=1371995t=de1542125407.1207296878.a0b26120to=hg%40hurdygurdy.com ] Namens [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/g.fcgi/mail/new?CUSTOMERNO=1371995t=de1542125407.1207296878.a0b26120to=VonHorne%40aol.com Verzonden: vrijdag 4 april 2008 6:26 Aan: hg@hurdygurdy.com http://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/g.fcgi/mail/new?CUSTOMERNO=1371995t=de1542125407.1207296878.a0b26120to=hg%40hurdygurdy.com Onderwerp: Re: [HG] Still there? Ping Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv000316 . No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1356 - Release Date: 2-4-2008 16:14 -- Will man Schweres bewältigen, muss man es leicht angehen. Bertold Brecht *** Your E-mail has been scanned against Potential Virus and Spyware/Grayware dangers by the MOD BE SECURITY SYSTEMS. This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. *** Your E-mail has been scanned against Potential Virus and Spyware/Grayware dangers by the MOD BE SECURITY SYSTEMS. This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use
Re: RE: [HG] Still there?
Pieter, the first Commandment for HG-players: be other than the others! Ernst (weird indeed) There are definitely some weird people on this list! (Me included)
Re: [HG] Still there?
If looking old is the problem...don't look at yourself anymore temperament poblems are like human beeing To just temperament little inspirating persons Why not more enjoying playing , insteat of worrying Much better for the nights and even better: sleep with your roommate and not your temperament problems marc - Original Message - From: Lauwers Pieter To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 10:48 AM Subject: RE: [HG] Still there? There are definitely some weird people on this list! (Me included) A serious, even a little bit stupid question. I'm having some temperament problems. The moment I tune to a just temperament it feels as if I'm getting a dull sound without brilliance. I'm not that intelligent that I understand long dissertations about temperaments. I'm just looking for a good, standard temperament to tune both my HG in. (G/C and a D/G. A little bit like tangent tuning for dummies. I was also under the impression that there was a little difference in string length (on a D/G) between the high D string and the low D. Example: High D chanterelle has, open, a length of 34.6 cm. The D octave tangent is, without adaptation to left or right, at exactly 17.3 cm. If I do the same for the low D, the D octave tangent needs a lot of adapting. These problems are starting to keep me awake at night (together with to much coffee and to much stress at work) so I'm starting to look old. Help!!! Pieter -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ernst Kainzmeier Sent: 04 April 2008 10:18 To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Subject: Re: [HG] Still there? bzzz Original-Nachricht Datum: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:51:56 +0200 Von: Reymen Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: hg@hurdygurdy.com Betreff: Re: [HG] Still there? pang - Original Message - From: Pieter Lauwers To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 7:32 AM Subject: RE: [HG] Still there? Pong Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: vrijdag 4 april 2008 6:26 Aan: hg@hurdygurdy.com Onderwerp: Re: [HG] Still there? Ping Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1356 - Release Date: 2-4-2008 16:14 -- Will man Schweres bewältigen, muss man es leicht angehen. Bertold Brecht *** Your E-mail has been scanned against Potential Virus and Spyware/Grayware dangers by the MOD BE SECURITY SYSTEMS. This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1358 - Release Date: 3-4-2008 18:36
RE: [HG] Still there?
I'm here. I have nothing to say that is gurdy related as I have been too busy with other stuff this week to play with mine. I am also unable to go to the gurdy fest so I am sulking in my corner. Fi -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig Currier Sent: Friday, 4 April 2008 2:23 PM To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Subject: [HG] Still there? Heads up, hg list. I haven't seen a post in some time. Are you still there or are the ISP's playing spam games again?
