[Histonet] Problem wih FITC secondary unbinding after about 10 hours (using immunofluorescence)

2009-10-27 Thread Janelle Pakan
We are having a very strange problem with our FITC-conjugated secondary in
double labeling immunofluorescence processing. We are processing for 3
different enzymes using a Rhodamine secondary and these seem to be fine
throughout the process, but using 3 different markers (GFAP, MAP2, OX42)
with a FITC conjugated secondary we see something very strange. The labeling
looks really nice immediately after processing and mounting for up to 6-10
hours later, then when left in the fridge overnight, the next day the FITC
(and only the FITC, the rhodamine is fine) seems to unbind and is all over
the tissue creating a background type fluorescence.

I have tried 4 different secondaries from 3 different companies (although
they are all FITC conjugated - want to try a cy2 or alexafluor 488 but don't
have any yet) and they all do they same thing - really nice immediately
after processing, but cell labeling is gone by the next day and appears as
specks all over the tissue sample.

We are using 4%PFA fixed, floating rat brain sections (used three different
brains so far and all had the same effect).

These are the other things I checked:
- used 3 different mounting media (Fluoromount-G, Elvanol, 90% glycerol):
all had same effect. Leaving tissue overnight in PBS in fridge also had same
effect, so figure it cant be anything with the mounting process.
- used 3 different primaries and all have same effect
- we use ovoid (BR0014G) PBS tablets (1 per 100ml, pH 7.3) - commercially
available standard PBS tablets... should be okay?? Anyone else use this?

Any help would be appreciated, or just to know if anyone has seen this
before. I did immuno for 5 years in a different lab and never saw anything
like this, but recently switched labs and had this problem immediately. I
figure it must be something in the solutions I am using n the new lab, but I
just cant fathom what it would be at this point.

Thanks

Dr. Janelle Pakan
University of British Columbia
Brain Research Centre
2211 Westbrook Mall
Vancouver, BC
Canada
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Re: [Histonet] Problem wih FITC secondary unbinding after about 10 hours (using immunofluorescence)

2009-10-27 Thread Janelle Pakan
Thanks Merced,

We are doing confocal, but the problem doesnt seem to be bleaching - the
fluorescence is still there, it is just no longer concentrated within the
cells we are staining for, but rather dispersed all over the tissue. Almost
like it leaked out of the cells we were staining.

As I mentioned, I dont think it can be the mounting media, as when we left
the tissue in PBS overnight without mounting it, the signal was still gone
the next day.

Must be some sort of solution problem... maybe salts, pH, fixative?? But we
are using standard protocols and comercially available PBS. I am stumped...

Dr. Janelle Pakan
University of British Columbia
Brain Research Centre
2211 Westbrook Mall
Vancouver, BC
Canada



On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Merced M Leiker lei...@buffalo.eduwrote:

 We use a range of Alexa Fluors (including 488) all the time with either
 SlowFade Gold or ProLong Gold antifade mounting media on every primary
 antibody we use. We can still see the label a week or more later, especially
 if we store the slides at -20 C.

 Alexa Fluors are very bright and stable compared to traditional
 fluorophores like FITC, TRITC...

 Another consideration is are you doing confocal or epifluorescent imaging?
 Confocal will bleach your sample sooner.

 The Alexa Fluors and mounting media mentioned above are all available from
 Invitrogen at the following links (this is NOT a plug for Invitrogen, though
 it may appear that way; we are an independent lab!):

 
 http://www.invitrogen.com/site/us/en/home/brands/Molecular-Probes/Key-Molecular-Probes-Products/alexa-fluor.html
 
 
 http://www.invitrogen.com/site/us/en/home/brands/Molecular-Probes/Key-Molecular-Probes-Products/SlowFade-Gold.html
 
 
 http://www.invitrogen.com/site/us/en/home/brands/Molecular-Probes/Key-Molecular-Probes-Products/ProLong-Antifades-Brand-Page.html
 

 Regards,

 Merced M Leiker
 Research Technician II
 Cardiovascular Medicine
 348 Biomedical Research Building
 State University of New York at Buffalo
 3435 Main St, Buffalo, NY 14214  USA
 lei...@buffalo.edu
 716-829-6118 (Ph)
 716-829-2665 (Fx)

 No trees were harmed in the sending of this email.
 However, many electrons were severely inconvenienced.


 --On Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:36 AM -0700 Janelle Pakan 
 janelle.pa...@gmail.com wrote:

  We are having a very strange problem with our FITC-conjugated secondary in
 double labeling immunofluorescence processing. We are processing for 3
 different enzymes using a Rhodamine secondary and these seem to be fine
 throughout the process, but using 3 different markers (GFAP, MAP2, OX42)
 with a FITC conjugated secondary we see something very strange. The
 labeling looks really nice immediately after processing and mounting for
 up to 6-10 hours later, then when left in the fridge overnight, the next
 day the FITC (and only the FITC, the rhodamine is fine) seems to unbind
 and is all over the tissue creating a background type fluorescence.

 I have tried 4 different secondaries from 3 different companies (although
 they are all FITC conjugated - want to try a cy2 or alexafluor 488 but
 don't have any yet) and they all do they same thing - really nice
 immediately after processing, but cell labeling is gone by the next day
 and appears as specks all over the tissue sample.

 We are using 4%PFA fixed, floating rat brain sections (used three
 different brains so far and all had the same effect).

 These are the other things I checked:
 - used 3 different mounting media (Fluoromount-G, Elvanol, 90% glycerol):
 all had same effect. Leaving tissue overnight in PBS in fridge also had
 same effect, so figure it cant be anything with the mounting process. -
 used 3 different primaries and all have same effect
 - we use ovoid (BR0014G) PBS tablets (1 per 100ml, pH 7.3) - commercially
 available standard PBS tablets... should be okay?? Anyone else use this?

 Any help would be appreciated, or just to know if anyone has seen this
 before. I did immuno for 5 years in a different lab and never saw anything
 like this, but recently switched labs and had this problem immediately. I
 figure it must be something in the solutions I am using n the new lab,
 but I just cant fathom what it would be at this point.

 Thanks

 Dr. Janelle Pakan
 University of British Columbia
 Brain Research Centre
 2211 Westbrook Mall
 Vancouver, BC
 Canada
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 Merced M Leiker
 Research Technician II
 Cardiovascular Medicine
 348 Biomedical Research Building
 State University of New York at Buffalo
 3435 Main St, Buffalo, NY 14214  USA
 lei...@buffalo.edu
 716-829-6118 (Ph)
 716-829-2665 (Fx)

 No trees were harmed in the sending of this email.
 However, many electrons were severely inconvenienced.


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