RE: [Histonet] Clinical histology to Research histology
Agree! You do have to translate histo terminology for researchers and those not part of the industry. So glad to hear that you and others have had a good experience transitioning. I think it is a personal or personality preference. I learned that research is not my preference as a primary job ( ok for part time). I am too practical, and bottom line driven- being more of business and process person. And personally, I don't like dealing with the academic politics or inflated egos. Research is either for you, or not, and I don't think you can know until you test it for yourself. Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC From: algra...@email.arizona.edu Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 09:59:04 -0700 CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] Clinical histology to Research histology Cassie, It is so much better! Basically you are doing the same thing but in my instance I get a pretty wide variety of projects (different species) and pretty often need to address each one differently. I have many different processing schedules programmed into my processor - like whole brain, sliced brain, large bone, chick embryo, mouse embryo - different stages, etc. You might have processing schedules using solutions like cedarwood oil or butanol and have to use an old style dip n'dunk processor because the solutions aren't compatible with the newer models. But I even have a routine schedule much like a clinical lab overnite program. The knowledge you have gained in the clinical lab will be a valuable resource as will reference texts and always HISTONET. You may be doing work on insects and plants - always a challenge but so much fun and a real learning experience. Different sets of special stains are asked for like Ruthenium Red/Toluidine Blue or Picrosirius Red. I do a lot of Oil Red O and Luxol Fast Blue stains but hardly any GMS and AFB and PAS stains. The investigators can be just like the pathologists in their demands but there are some who don't know what the hell they are doing and you will want to meet with them before the actual tissue hits the lab to discuss what they want to have done. You may need to tailor what you do to what they need. They might show up with a paper and want you to do the same protocols as what is written up except they don't have details so you will have to do a bit of research - or a lot of research. I enjoy this because I can make the time to do it. You may have to do a lot of explaining on what you do because most people don't understand what you do. Terminology - most people don't speak histotech. With every batch of new students or personnel you will repeat this. Turn around time is better - you fit the work into your schedule. You are not so frenzied. The hours in most cases are better. Frozen sections - don't be surprised if you are cutting 100 micron sections or sections from tissue not embedded in OCT and you have to put them on tiny coverslips or do serial frozens on a whole organ and put 20-30 or more on one slide. There are lots of challenges, in some cases the pay is not as good. 8-( Depending on where you work though the benefits can sometimes outweigh the low pay - or come close. BUT all in all I found it to be so much better than clinical and I actually feel more appreciated here than I did in the clinical labs where I worked (except for Thomason Hospital in El Paso where I was treated very well). Andrea Grantham, HT (ASCP) Senior Research Specialist University of Arizona Cellular and Molecular Medicine Histology Service Laboratory P.O.Box 245044 Tucson, AZ 85724 algra...@email.arizona.edu Tel: 520.626.4415 Fax: 520.626.2097 ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] Clinical histology to Research histology
Agree, in spite of all the positives, the academic politics part is a big downside. It is that which will probably soon close my lab. I hope it can hold on for 8 more months since I'm retiring in September. Andrea Grantham, HT (ASCP) Senior Research Specialist University of Arizona Cellular and Molecular Medicine Histology Service Laboratory P.O.Box 245044 Tucson, AZ 85724 algra...@email.arizona.edumailto:algra...@email.arizona.edu Tel: 520.626.4415 Fax: 520.626.2097 ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] Clinical histology to Research histology
Hi Andi, Wow,I certainly hope that doesn't happen! I also hope you don't TOTALLY retire from histology. -Damien On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Grantham, Andrea L - (algranth) algra...@email.arizona.edu wrote: Agree, in spite of all the positives, the academic politics part is a big downside. It is that which will probably soon close my lab. I hope it can hold on for 8 more months since I'm retiring in September. Andrea Grantham, HT (ASCP) Senior Research Specialist University of Arizona Cellular and Molecular Medicine Histology Service Laboratory P.O.Box 245044 Tucson, AZ 85724 algra...@email.arizona.edumailto:algra...@email.arizona.edu Tel: 520.626.4415 Fax: 520.626.2097 ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet -- Damien Laudier Laudier Histology www.LaudierHistology.com ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Clinical histology to Research histology
Yes, Patsy we all have different preferences and needs ! Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC From: prueg...@hotmail.com To: joellewea...@hotmail.com; algra...@email.arizona.edu CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Clinical histology to Research histology Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 15:38:07 + Very true Joelle, especially the academic politics part. For me it was all about the science, I never liked the business side or managing other people, when I was at the U I worked mostly by myself with just an assistant or two and for one Pathologist. I take responsibility for my own work but do not like to be responsible for others. It wasn't too hard for me to give up my own lab business because I had become an owner/manager/instructor with others doing the actual Science, I prefer to be in the lab hands on doing the science. Cheers, Patsy Patsy Ruegg, HT(ASCP)QIHC Director of Histology and IHC IHCtech a subsidiary of Flagship Bio-Sciences, LLC Fitzsimmons BioScience Park 12635 Montview Blvd. Suite 215 Aurora, CO 80045 Cell 720-281-5406 email pru...@flagshipbio.com web site www.ihctech.net -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of joelle weaver Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 6:01 AM To: Andrea Grantham Cc: HISTONET Subject: RE: [Histonet] Clinical histology to Research histology Agree! You do have to translate histo terminology for researchers and those not part of the industry. So glad to hear that you and others have had a good experience transitioning. I think it is a personal or personality preference. I learned that research is not my preference as a primary job ( ok for part time). I am too practical, and bottom line driven- being more of business and process person. And personally, I don't like dealing with the academic politics or inflated egos. Research is either for you, or not, and I don't think you can know until you test it for yourself. Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC From: algra...@email.arizona.edu Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 09:59:04 -0700 CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] Clinical histology to Research histology Cassie, It is so much better! Basically you are doing the same thing but in my instance I get a pretty wide variety of projects (different species) and pretty often need to address each one differently. I have many different processing schedules programmed into my processor - like whole brain, sliced brain, large bone, chick embryo, mouse embryo - different stages, etc. You might have processing schedules using solutions like cedarwood oil or butanol and have to use an old style dip n'dunk processor because the solutions aren't compatible with the newer models. But I even have a routine schedule much like a clinical lab overnite program. The knowledge you have gained in the clinical lab will be a valuable resource as will reference texts and always HISTONET. You may be doing work on insects and plants - always a challenge but so much fun and a real learning experience. Different sets of special stains are asked for like Ruthenium Red/Toluidine Blue or Picrosirius Red. I do a lot of Oil Red O and Luxol Fast Blue stains but hardly any GMS and AFB and PAS stains. The investigators can be just like the pathologists in their demands but there are some who don't know what the hell they are doing and you will want to meet with them before the actual tissue hits the lab to discuss what they want to have done. You may need to tailor what you do to what they need. They might show up with a paper and want you to do the same protocols as what is written up except they don't have details so you will have to do a bit of research - or a lot of research. I enjoy this because I can make the time to do it. You may have to do a lot of explaining on what you do because most people don't understand what you do. Terminology - most people don't speak histotech. With every batch of new students or personnel you will repeat this. Turn around time is better - you fit the work into your schedule. You are not so frenzied. The hours in most cases are better. Frozen sections - don't be surprised if you are cutting 100 micron sections or sections from tissue not embedded in OCT and you have to put them on tiny coverslips or do serial frozens on a whole organ and put 20-30 or more on one slide. There are lots of challenges, in some cases the pay is not as good. 8-( Depending on where you work though the benefits can sometimes outweigh the low pay - or come close. BUT all in all I found it to be so much better than clinical and I actually feel more appreciated here than I did in the clinical labs where I worked (except for Thomason
[Histonet] Clinical histology to Research histology
Hello Histo World, please share your experience from going from clinical histology to research histology...What are the major difference? Are there complications or pleasant surprises? Cassandra Davis cda...@che-east.org 302-575-8095 Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Catholic Health East and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Clinical histology to Research histology
The first BIG difference for me was the workflow. Completely different time frames for completion of work. The next pleasant change was the time avaialble to work with the specimens. This was many, many years ago. I enjoyed the research work, but did not enjoy the low pay and the worry for funding to keep the job going. William DeSalvo, BS HTL(ASCP) Production Manager-Anatomic Pathology Chair, NSH Quality Management Committee Owner/Consultant, Collaborative Advantage Consulting From: cda...@che-east.org To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 09:49:32 -0500 Subject: [Histonet] Clinical histology to Research histology Hello Histo World, please share your experience from going from clinical histology to research histology...What are the major difference? Are there complications or pleasant surprises? Cassandra Davis cda...@che-east.org 302-575-8095 Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Catholic Health East and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] Clinical histology to Research histology
Cassie, It is so much better! Basically you are doing the same thing but in my instance I get a pretty wide variety of projects (different species) and pretty often need to address each one differently. I have many different processing schedules programmed into my processor - like whole brain, sliced brain, large bone, chick embryo, mouse embryo - different stages, etc. You might have processing schedules using solutions like cedarwood oil or butanol and have to use an old style dip n'dunk processor because the solutions aren't compatible with the newer models. But I even have a routine schedule much like a clinical lab overnite program. The knowledge you have gained in the clinical lab will be a valuable resource as will reference texts and always HISTONET. You may be doing work on insects and plants - always a challenge but so much fun and a real learning experience. Different sets of special stains are asked for like Ruthenium Red/Toluidine Blue or Picrosirius Red. I do a lot of Oil Red O and Luxol Fast Blue stains but hardly any GMS and AFB and PAS stains. The investigators can be just like the pathologists in their demands but there are some who don't know what the hell they are doing and you will want to meet with them before the actual tissue hits the lab to discuss what they want to have done. You may need to tailor what you do to what they need. They might show up with a paper and want you to do the same protocols as what is written up except they don't have details so you will have to do a bit of research - or a lot of research. I enjoy this because I can make the time to do it. You may have to do a lot of explaining on what you do because most people don't understand what you do. Terminology - most people don't speak histotech. With every batch of new students or personnel you will repeat this. Turn around time is better - you fit the work into your schedule. You are not so frenzied. The hours in most cases are better. Frozen sections - don't be surprised if you are cutting 100 micron sections or sections from tissue not embedded in OCT and you have to put them on tiny coverslips or do serial frozens on a whole organ and put 20-30 or more on one slide. There are lots of challenges, in some cases the pay is not as good. 8-( Depending on where you work though the benefits can sometimes outweigh the low pay - or come close. BUT all in all I found it to be so much better than clinical and I actually feel more appreciated here than I did in the clinical labs where I worked (except for Thomason Hospital in El Paso where I was treated very well). Andrea Grantham, HT (ASCP) Senior Research Specialist University of Arizona Cellular and Molecular Medicine Histology Service Laboratory P.O.Box 245044 Tucson, AZ 85724 algra...@email.arizona.edu Tel: 520.626.4415 Fax: 520.626.2097 ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
