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Anwar:   Azizan hanya individu yang kecil. .... Jika dia tidak kena dengan ancaman dan 
janjian,
mungkin orang lain yang kena.




QUESTION: Do you harbour any resentment towards Azizan
Abu Bakar for his role in your conviction? (Azizan
accused Anwar of sodomising him.)

ANWAR: Azizan is merely a small pawn; recanted umpteen
times, but timid all the same. He is quite irrelevant.
Had he not succumbed to their threat or promise, there
may be others.



Agenda Kita wrote:

> Anwar Ibrahim talks to The West Australian
>
> MALAYSIAN politician Anwar Ibrahim remains defiant in
> jail and in high spirits almost two years after he was
> deposed as Deputy Prime Minister and convicted on
> abuse of power and sodomy charges.
>
> Like South Africa's Nelson Mandela, South Korea's Kim
> Dae Jung and East Timor's Xanana Gusmao, Anwar
> believes truth and justice will prevail in the end and
> he will be cleared and freed from his 15-year
> sentence.
>
> In a letter smuggled out of his prison on the
> outskirts of the Malaysian capital, Kuala Lumpur,
> Anwar has replied to questions posed by The West
> Australian newspaper.
>
> QUESTION: For a person who has held high office, it
> must be difficult for you to spend your days in a 4m
> by 3m cell at Sungei Buloh prison on the outskirts of
> Kuala Lumpur?
>
> ANWAR: The prison system is repressive, but I've
> learnt to manage well, being preoccupied with prayers,
> reading and contemplating.
>
> Otherwise, prison life can be a bore leading a life of
> indolence and lethargy.
>
> I have been in solitary confinement for the last two
> years, but I do meet inmates occasionally peeping into
> my cell on their way to the clinic.
>
> Fortunately, unlike tales of atrocities in the Gulag,
> Auschwitz, etc, the prison guards are rather friendly
> and sympathetic.
>
> I meet Azizah and the family once in three weeks,
> communicating by phone, separated by glass. I'm able
> to meet my counsel but no friends, family or
> associates are allowed.
>
> QUESTION: Do you have any regrets about what has
> happened? It is said that prime ministers pick their
> deputies or heirs-apparent, that is the way it is done
> in Malaysia. And it does not look Dr Mahathir will go
> in the short-term? Have you gone too far with your
> campaign and burnt the bridges?
>
> ANWAR: I don't have a choice. There is a limit to what
> one can endure. It's no longer merely having to
> conceal one's revulsions against gross injustice,
> abuse of power and rampant corruption.
>
> On the bailout of his (Mahathir's) son Mirzan after
> the financial crisis, I was asked initially to approve
> the multi-billion-ringgit scheme. I had to refuse and
> that was the ultimate (issue) that incurred his wrath.
>
> Unlike my predecessor and the present deputy prime
> minister, I was elected into office as Deputy
> President of the party (UMNO - the dominant partner in
> the ruling coalition) prior to my appointment as the
> Deputy Prime Minister.
>
> And it's not an issue of burning bridges but of
> articulating your beliefs and commitment to democracy,
> justice and the rule of law.
>
> Seeing the fate of his friends in the neighbouring
> countries, it is not conceivable that Dr Mahathir
> would opt to gracefully depart from the scene.
>
> On the contrary, looking at the bank merger proposals,
> new privatisation and contract deals, he is determined
> to ensure that his family and crony interests are
> entrenched.
>
> QUESTION: Do you believe you will return to the
> leadership of UMNO and Malaysia? Or, do you believe
> UMNO is finished as far as you are concerned, and you
> will return to power at the head of a new party, such
> as Keadilan (Justice Party) or a coalition of parties?
>
> ANWAR: I have publicly endorsed the Keadilan party and
> am committed to the alternative party's agenda, the
> Barisan Alternatif (a coalition of opposition
> parties).
>
> UMNO has not made any meaningful attempt towards
> reform. On the contrary, the coalition or parties had
> introduced an elaborate reform plan, upholding
> democracy and the rule of law and promoting economic
> growth with equity.
>
> QUESTION: A nagging question is why should Dr Mahathir
> act to remove you after having defended you and
> rejected all accusations against you as unacceptable?
> Are there forces beyond Dr Mahathir's control?
>
> ANWAR: I am untenable as a nemesis not only to Dr
> Mahathir, but to his close associates such as Daim
> Zainuddin who was publicly known to have amassed
> enormous wealth as Finance Minister.
>
> My views expounded in the Asian Renaissance, my
> crusade against corruption, cronyism and nepotism are
> perceived as threats to the ruling clique.
>
> Notwithstanding, Dr Mahathir is certainly accountable
> as the supremo in the entire charade. Despite police
> reports, documents adduced to prove corruption against
> Dr Mahathir, Daim, (International Trade) Minister
> Rafidah (Aziz), no action is ever envisaged.
>
> QUESTION: Some say Dr Mahathir played party politics,
> and so did you and you lost? Do you accept that?
>
> ANWAR: Yes, I lost the job and am incarcerated. But
> there is an ensuing struggle. It's a temporary relief
> for the corrupt conspirators. But, I trust in the
> wisdom of Malaysians, that truth, justice and virtue
> are external in nature; and would ultimately prevail.
>
> QUESTION: It is said that you cultivated your
> followers and they were itching to wrestle power so
> they could pursue and advance their own agendas. How
> do you respond?
>
> ANWAR: Undoubtedly, I do have my supporters, who may
> be impatient. So does Dr Mahathir with his cronies.
> The issue is whether power is abused; corruption is
> condoned. I've demanded an independent commission to
> check all excesses, corruption against all leaders,
> including myself whilst in Government. Dr Mahathir
> does not have the moral courage to respond.
>
> QUESTION: That when you spoke about corruption and the
> need for rule of law and justice, you knew very well
> that this was not possible in the absolute sense
> because of the culture prevailing in the country. You
> knew your team would be swallowed by the prevailing
> system and you would be restrained from moving away
> from the path taken by past leaders. How do you
> respond?
>
> ANWAR: Precisely, we need the reforms. The present
> leadership seems to condone corruption and the
> excesses. They are allowing the institution of
> government to be infected and become cancerous.
>
> There is public outrage and this needs to be channeled
> through a comprehensive reform agenda. Otherwise it
> would become endemic, as part of the Malaysian
> culture.
>
> QUESTION: I am told support for you is growing. But it
> is not being translated into visible wins for you.
> Rallies and protests are held, but they are forgotten
> almost as quickly as they are held. What, in your
> view, must happen before you can be propelled back
> into office?
>
> ANWAR: We are operating in a repressive system. As
> history has shown, surprises do happen. Meanwhile, we
> will have to sustain our efforts, disseminate
> information and strengthen our resolve. Patience is a
> virtue.
>
> QUESTION: Now that you have been sentenced to 15 years
> jail, what is the future for you and, more generally,
> for the Reformasi movement in Malaysia?
>
> ANWAR: I have said that the sentence by Mahathir's
> court is unjust, disgraceful, and revolting. I
> vehemently reject the allegations and the conviction.
> The struggle and reforms have to continue.
>
> QUESTION: Do you harbour any resentment towards Azizan
> Abu Bakar for his role in your conviction? (Azizan
> accused Anwar of sodomising him.)
>
> ANWAR: Azizan is merely a small pawn; recanted umpteen
> times, but timid all the same. He is quite irrelevant.
> Had he not succumbed to their threat or promise, there
> may be others.
>
> QUESTION: Do you feel that with Dr Mahathir's eventual
> departure from office, you might be pardoned or at
> least granted a pardon or early release?
>
> ANWAR: I demand a retrial by competent independent
> judges. I'm innocent and should not be in jail.
>
> QUESTION: Could you work with Abdullah Badawi (the
> Deputy Prime Minister who could succeed Dr Mahathir)
> or Najib Razak (the Defence Minister and senior party
> leader)? What are your thoughts on current UMNO
> leaders other than Dr Mahathir?
>
> ANWAR: We work based on principles and a clear agenda.
> The clamour for Reformasi has claimed victims and
> inflicted pain on many. At the very least, we'll have
> to honour our commitment to democracy and the rule of
> law.
>
> QUESTION: Since the formation of Keadilan and Barisan
> Alternatif, the ruling coalition has gone to great
> lengths to convince voters that it is the only choice
> for Malaysians, and particularly non-bumiputras, who
> see stability and economic growth as paramount. How
> can you, or your parties, counter this perception and
> harness the vote of the influential Chinese in
> particular?
>
> ANWAR: Despite the barrage of attacks and venom
> against Keadilan and Barisan Alternatif, the majority
> of the Malays supported them. I believe the
> non-Malays, particularly the Chinese and Indians would
> appreciate the facts and our programs and not be duped
> by the lies by the controlled media.
>
> The Barisan Alternatif is committed to economic
> growth. And, the Chinese are equally concerned with
> the issue of justice and the rule of law.
>
> QUESTION: Given the attention your case has received
> overseas, do you have any particular message for your
> supporters outside Malaysia?
>
> ANWAR: We are truly appreciative of your support. A
> free media can work wonders. Express your views and
> write to the relevant authorities.
>
> QUESTION: What more could world leaders and Australian
> politicians do to gain your freedom?
>
> ANWAR: I trust Australian politicians know their
> priorities as they have indicated in the past. Their
> role in enlightening the world on the plight of the
> Timorese, for example, is well recognised.
>
> - from Freeanwar.com
>
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