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Assalamualaikum,
I would like to ask for a favour from all netter friends.
I had forwarded an article The Prophethood in Islam to my Christian
friend and end in the following discussion. Can somebody help me to
reply to his comments ?
Moga Allah memberi petunjuk,
Hayati
My statement:
Peace be with you. I have managed to find sometimes of my weekend to
check the Quran with regard to your comment that Jesus was raised from
death, and I AGREE with you that Jesus also has an ever lasting miracle
(which we cannot phisically prove or be the eye-witness right now
because we were not there when he rose and we can't see him in heaven
right now, not like the Quran whereby we manage to be the
eye-witness/experience the miracles ourselves) that was not mentioned
by the writer of The Prophethood in Islam that Jesus was raise up to
Allah (in heaven). But, I prefer the statement in the Quran in verse
4153-162(below) that the Jew kill not,nor crucified him, but rather it
was only made to appear to them that they did.
My Christian Friend comments:
The Jews had to make sacrifices (kill animals) so that they could
be forgiven. In order for an unholy human to be with a holy Allah, we must
be forgiven for our sins. So the Jews shed the blood of the animals to be
forgiven. We believe Jesus was killed and his blood was shed not like one
animal for a few sins, but he was killed (sacrificed) so that all people
could be forgiven for all their sins. Since we believe Jesus is the son of
God, he never sinned and was therefore a perfect sacrifice. But unlike the
animals, Jesus rose from the dead, he defeated death, and by believing that
he is our Savior we can defeat death, be forgiven, and live forever in
Heaven. So, why would it be an illusion as mentioned above?
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---Assalamualaikum,
I would like to ask for a favour from all netter friends.
I had forwarded an article The Prophethood in Islam to my Christian
friend and end in the following discussion. Can somebody help me to
reply to his comments ?
Moga Allah memberi petunjuk,
Hayati
My statement:
Peace be with you. I have managed to find sometimes of my weekend to
check the Quran with regard to your comment that Jesus was raised from
death, and I AGREE with you that Jesus also has an ever lasting miracle
(which we cannot phisically prove or be the eye-witness right now
because we were not there when he rose and we can't see him in heaven
right now, not like the Quran whereby we manage to be the
eye-witness/experience the miracles ourselves) that was not mentioned
by the writer of The Prophethood in Islam that Jesus was raise up to
Allah (in heaven). But, I prefer the statement in the Quran in verse
4153-162(below) that the Jew kill not,nor crucified him, but rather it
was only made to appear to them that they did.
My Christian Friend comments:
The Jews had to make sacrifices (kill animals) so that they could
be forgiven. In order for an unholy human to be with a holy Allah, we must
be forgiven for our sins. So the Jews shed the blood of the animals to be
forgiven. We believe Jesus was killed and his blood was shed not like one
animal for a few sins, but he was killed (sacrificed) so that all people
could be forgiven for all their sins. Since we believe Jesus is the son of
God, he never sinned and was therefore a perfect sacrifice. But unlike the
animals, Jesus rose from the dead, he defeated death, and by believing that
he is our Savior we can defeat death, be forgiven, and live forever in
Heaven. So, why would it be an illusion as mentioned above?
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Asslamu alaikum sdr hayati dan semua,
My suggested solutions are as indicated below (in
parentheses).
Sila lihat jauh kebawah dalam kurungan[ ].
IMMI.
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Assalamualaikum,
I would like to ask for a favour from all netter
friends.
I had forwarded an article The Prophethood in
Islam to my Christian
friend and end in the following discussion. Can
somebody help me to
reply to his comments ?
Moga Allah memberi petunjuk,
Hayati
My statement:
Peace be with you. I have managed to find sometimes
of my weekend to
check the Quran with regard to your comment that
Jesus was raised from
death, and I AGREE with you that Jesus also has an
ever lasting miracle
(which we cannot phisically prove or be the
eye-witness right now
because we were not there when he rose and we can't
see him in heaven
right now, not like the Quran whereby we manage to
be the
eye-witness/experience the miracles ourselves) that
was not mentioned
by the writer of The Prophethood in Islam that
Jesus was raise up to
Allah (in heaven). But, I prefer the statement in
the Quran in verse
4153-162(below) that the Jew kill not,nor crucified
him, but rather it
was only made to appear to them that they did.
My Christian Friend comments:
The Jews had to make sacrifices (kill animals) so
that they could
be forgiven. In order for an unholy human to be
with a holy Allah, we must
be forgiven for our sins. So the Jews shed the
blood of the animals to be
forgiven. We believe Jesus was killed and his blood
was shed not like one
animal for a few sins, but he was killed
(sacrificed) so that all people
could be forgiven for all their sins. Since we
believe Jesus is the son of
God, he never sinned and was therefore a perfect
sacrifice.
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[Hadi's comments : Unlike christianity, Islam
presumes man are born sinless and pure, as pure as
white cloth. Sins (for wrongful deeds) only accumulate
upon him during his course of life.He is solely
responsible over his own sins.(He is not to be made
responsible over the Sins of others, including of his
parents). No deeds of others could redeem him nor
implicate him. No sacrifices of others could save him.
To be in heaven these sins are to be purged. This can
be done by him either before death thru repentance and
forgiveness by the God(Al-Lah), or after death by
cleansing in the hell.
The Al-lah(Al=The, Lah=God) is all-merciful and
directly accessible to all, moslems or non-moslems. He
needs no material nor life(blood) sacrifices for Him
to give forgiveness. For, He is all-merciful; with Him
are all forgiveness!. One just needs to seek and HE
will forgive, if he wills so. And He definitely will
wills so because He loves purity. (A moslem will
totally submit to His will, even if He so willeth to
deny him forgiveness; for all prerogatives are His).
Good deeds and forgiveness are to be continuously
sought throughout one's life). Prophet Mohamed(S.A.W),
even in his holiness, he still sought forgiveness from
Allah.
So, Allah needeth no blood of anyone(including of
Jesus) for Him to grant forgiveness to anyone...for He
is all-merciful. And Al-lah is all-mighty; for Him to
make things appearing as the Jews saw it(ie the
demise of the prophet Jesus), is all too simple for
AllahDavid Copperfield, the magician, have
casted far more mind-boggling illusions than
that...(forgive me for bringing mortal example here).
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But unlike the
animals, Jesus rose from the dead, he defeated
death, and by believing that
he is our Savior we can defeat death, be forgiven,
and live forever in
Heaven. So, why would it be an illusion as
mentioned above?
[Hadi's comments : In is Islam, no one really dies.
Death is only to the physical body. The real person
in the form of soul(spirit) is samely alive even
long after detachment from the physical body. In other
words, death is just a mere transition. Living body as
we know it, is just a transit vessel of the soul. So
there is no necessity to defeat death, be it for Jesus
or other mortals. For there is no real death. To make
any detached soul(be it of Jesus or other's) plainly
visible to others is a matter of will to Allah. For He
is all-mighty!. He can do anything.
In the same breath, Allah may will to save any bodies
from death and disgrace. By the same token He saved
Ishmael from
