Re: H-Net* RE: The Star:No one can object to Putrajaya decision
PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 10:52 AM Subject: H-Net* RE: The Star:No one can object to Putrajaya decision *~* { Sila lawat Laman Hizbi-Net - http://www.hizbi.net } {Hantarkan mesej anda ke: [EMAIL PROTECTED] } {Iklan barangan? Hantarkan ke [EMAIL PROTECTED] } *~* PAS : KE ARAH PEMERINTAHAN ISLAM YANG ADIL ~~~ Wa'alaikumussalam wbt, Dear Brother Shah, Same to me with your reply... What have Pas done so far? There are many things done Pas has been doing except majority of the people were not exposed, or simply the govt controlled medias do not provide an equal exposure despite obstacles from you know who... Maybe you should spend some time reading Harakah or other medias which are not controlled by govt... I'm not saying Pas is perfect... However, I believe everybody can see more clearly if Pas is the given the FAIR opportunity to lead federal govt and all media is no longer in controlled by BN cronies... then why not letting Pas the amanah with the people's money... You said the Chinese do not understand about hudud... Yes, I agree because the govt has no intention to implement hudud, no intention to educate the non-muslims about Islamic judiciary and law... even many muslims are still ignorant about hudud... otherwise they would have agreed 100%, right? If the govt is sincere in the direction implementing hudud (or becoming an Islamic state), they have been had the chance for the last 43 years... If PM is not ignorant about hudud, he would not have ridiculed about it... (e.g. of what he said, the country will not be productive if we dismemebered the hands and legs of the thieves in the meeting with chief ministers MBs at Langkawi as compared to Suratul Ma`idah ayat 38 yang bermaksud, "Pencuri lelaki dan pencuri perempuan,maka hendaklah kamu semua potong tangan kedua-dua mereka itu sebagai balasan dengan apa yang mereka usahakan.Dan ini adalah sebagai hukuman pencegah daripada ALLAH SWT.Dan ALLAH itu Tuhan yang Maha Perkasa lagi Maha Bijaksana." Ofcourse if Pas would have implement it now, it would be kelam-kabut... no surprise, since PM has been instilling fear about implementing hudud... he has been telling everybody implementing hudud would create chaos... he has been propogating the negative impact of implementing hudud... instead of educating the public about hudud! If you are in a big crowd and suddenly you yell at the crowd there is a live bomb nearby, definitely the public will be in chaos... it is the same thing what PM has been doing... If PM is really sincere for hudud, he would have said positive things about hudud... If kelam-kabut, wouldn't you blame the person who cried wolf??? Pas brainwashed me? Surprise! What all the medias controlled by the govt, without having attended any special program by Pas??? I can still remember clearly when an 'ulamak' sent by BTN trying to preach that we must obey the ruler by using the Ayat "Athi ULLAH wa athi urrasul wa ulil amri mingkum" but without finishing the whole Ayat... You said not to use Fed govt as an excuse... Ah ha!! Same tactics from umno... since fed govt IS the main excuse and the main obstacle, and then you tell me not use the excuse... it is as if you punched someone in the face and then you tell me not to say the punch is main cause that bruised the face... Funny isn't it?? Sandiwara... What has the govt got to achieve from sandiwara??? I thought it has been quite obvious, don't you notice it??? PM has successfully linked Al-Maunah to Pas... by declaring some of al-maunah member have Pas stickers... I wonder to which political party are the rest of al-maunah associated with (which was not mentioned, ofcourse)??? he successfully used the deductive reasoning tactic... Remember the deductive reasoning joke? Islamic country? None... Then name me your so-called Islamic country... if there is any, I think it is an embarrassment to Malaysia, since the govt has been propogating as Malaysia is THE example Islamic country and the Malaysia Boleh spirit!!! Quiting EON, I quit not because of EON is a crony company... Ha! This has been one of the famous attack point for pro-umno... I wonder, why Rasulullah s.a.w did not forbide any of the sahabahs from working, earning income from the kuffar??? Yes, many malay muslims are stupid! I have many non-muslim friends and colleagues, and umno bn have been a laughing stock... don't you realize it? Ofcourse they are also laughing at Pas, I can understand it because they don't understand Islam and what is Pas trying bring... I can understand when they laughed at Pas for trying to implement hudud, Islamic law, Islamic dressing... but when they laughed at
RE: H-Net* RE: The Star:No one can object to Putrajaya decision
*~* { Sila lawat Laman Hizbi-Net - http://www.hizbi.net } {Hantarkan mesej anda ke: [EMAIL PROTECTED] } {Iklan barangan? Hantarkan ke [EMAIL PROTECTED] } *~* PAS : KE ARAH PEMERINTAHAN ISLAM YANG ADIL ~~~ Waalaikumussalam wbt, I agree that the country is still not ready to accept hudud. Why? Because the present govt, the leaders are ignorant about it. When they are ignorant, they don't believe in it, they don't plan for it or put effort to implement it, no effort is done to educate the people... meaning more reasons for us to change the govt. For example, the present is so ambitious in trying bring Malaysia to an industrialized nation by 2020. So much effor has been done, numerous campaigns, etc. How about becoming Islamic nation/state? Any vision? Vision 2010 perhaps (i.e. if the govt sincerely plan for an Islamic state 10 years from now)? The priority is very obvious! To effectively educate the people, numero uno, we need a just government who sincerely wants to implement Islam fully. secondly, with the government, you have all the engines that can be utilized; the medias, all the govt sectors, judiciary, etc. I'm not saying we have to rush, I'm not saying that if today Pas happens to be in power, hudud must be implemented the next day... I don't think Pas leaders are rushing either. Otherwise they would have implemented hudud in Kelantan Terengganu despite opposition and retaliation from BN/umno. Unity? I guess if one party wants to implement Islam and the other party against it, will there be unity? I guess if unity is not the issue, this dicussion wouldn't have taken place... Pas doesn't care about unity? I would say the controlling govt is playing the cards in bending and twisting the facts and perception of the people. Even a simple and straight forward statement by TGNA about aurat has been twisted, manipulated, and blown out of proportion by umno and their controlled media. Don't you see how ugly they are in playing their dirty tactics? Media with headlines and bold titles saying such as "Nik Aziz Blame Women". The title itself has a very strong negative impact and first impression before a reader understands the whole content (provided that the media covers the whole story). Rejecting Majlis Melayu invitation, do you know the whole story or most of us only hear from the story from the govt controlled media?? Do we give the Pas a fair opportunity to explain? Bringing Pas into Umno? It's more like trying to mix water with oil... See happened to DSA... trying to clean umno from inside... and he was quite close to achieve his goal, with strong support within umno, many Islamic organizations, and corporate sectors. And do you think the kuffars, munafiquns, enemy of Islam will prefer the ways of umno or pas? I would say that they will be more comfortable with umno and they will keep it that way... Wassalam. -Original Message- From: luqman ismael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:14 PM To: Hassan Haslim Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: H-Net* RE: The Star:No one can object to Putrajaya decision akum fellow brothers. I'm so sorry for interrupting your discussion.but after i read your writings i feel i need to express my opinion regarding this topic...i think about the hududour country is still not ready to accept it.not because hudud will make our people impaired...or lose the ability to workBUT because our people dont have enough knowledge about hudud.we are taught that...before we implement any kind of rules...we must inform the public about the rules.how it works.what are their rights in hudud? what are the conditions that must be fulfilled before the sentence can be carried out...?.etc.today many people dont understand about hudud...and this kind of people includes our PM..our PM obviously doesnt understand the real hudud..from his words i know he's lack of knowledge in hudud.. i know it's scary to hear people get canned 100 times for adultery..BUT practicallyit's NOT EASY to cane the man and the woman .because one of the conditions that must apply before they can be canned is...there must be 4 people who saw the man's 'thing' entered the woman 'thing'...do u think people will do it in front of other people.of course not.practically most of the people who committed it will be punished according to our current rules...(takzir...)..i think if Madey know bout thishe wont be hesitant to implement hudud...same thing with the potong tangan.there are about 7 conditions that must apply b4 we can cut the hand.one of the conditions is the robber/thief must have committed the crime because of poverty ...
Re: H-Net* RE: The Star:No one can object to Putrajaya decision
*~* { Sila lawat Laman Hizbi-Net - http://www.hizbi.net } {Hantarkan mesej anda ke: [EMAIL PROTECTED] } {Iklan barangan? Hantarkan ke [EMAIL PROTECTED] } *~* PAS : KE ARAH PEMERINTAHAN ISLAM YANG ADIL ~~~ Assalamualaikum... In my point of view..like what i have stated earlier..i think the leaders are not ignorant in the practise of hudud.instead they have misconceptions in Hudud. from a tape which records the Kabinet meetings about Hudud(i dont know if someone try to fake the tapemost likely not ) ...from the tape it's very-very obvious that... they dont really understand hudud..and there's nobody out there who is going to correct them if they dont understand the hudud...how can they educate the public...?.i still think PM wants M'sia to be a powerful Islamic country..but he wants to do it in his own way. What wrong with his way? He misconcepted hudud.that's the main problem.and this problem can be solved if someone is out to tell him the right ones..we should go against people who DELIBERATELY do wrong thingsbut we cant blame him if he did the wrong thing because of his misconception...in Islam too.people who commit maksiat because of lack of knowledge (jahil) wont get sin..and cant be punished like people who do it deliberately.. About what had happened to DSAhe was framed.but it's not necessarily PM who plotted it.if we think logicallythe influence of DSA could never be stronger than PM. he can never do any harm to PM's position...DSA was also close to PMsoi really think he was framed by certain leader in Kabinet who envied his close relationship with PM and they dont want him to be the next PM.we shouldnt blame PM without any proofor just because he's PM... We should not take the PM misconceptions as trivial.history has taught us how misconceptions of Islamic rules lead to the fall of Turky under Kamal Attaturk..Kamal Attaturk said he's a Muslim...but his misconcepted that deterioration of Turkish influence was caused by the Islamic teachings... but thank God, our PM is not this chronic..PM need someone who can correct his misconceptionsit's can be done by holding private discussion between Nik Aziz and himprivately..and one by one... To see his misconceptions about hudud.please read PM 's speech in Utusan Malaysia...25 October...page 6 column 3 paragraph 17 (from the top)..here he stated that the punishment for a gadis for committing adultery is rejam sampai matiif u read through the text...u can see a lot of misconception on hudud We must be aware that the clash between umno and pas has put our umat at a dangerous position . people need PM ingenuity to rule country...also we need PAS's ulama in the government to unite the people.. the best thing is to unite umno and pas...our country is like a bicycle...PM ingenuity is the rear wheel which propel the country...and PAS ulama is the front wheel ...which will keep our country..on trackon Islamic route.without any one of these..our country and umat wont be going anywhere...unity could be bitterbut people say the most bitter medicine is the best one.. ge - From: Hassan, Haslim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'luqman ismael' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 5:08 PM Subject: RE: H-Net* RE: The Star:No one can object to Putrajaya decision Waalaikumussalam wbt, I agree that the country is still not ready to accept hudud. Why? Because the present govt, the leaders are ignorant about it. When they are ignorant, they don't believe in it, they don't plan for it or put effort to implement it, no effort is done to educate the people... meaning more reasons for us to change the govt. For example, the present is so ambitious in trying bring Malaysia to an industrialized nation by 2020. So much effor has been done, numerous campaigns, etc. How about becoming Islamic nation/state? Any vision? Vision 2010 perhaps (i.e. if the govt sincerely plan for an Islamic state 10 years from now)? The priority is very obvious! To effectively educate the people, numero uno, we need a just government who sincerely wants to implement Islam fully. secondly, with the government, you have all the engines that can be utilized; the medias, all the govt sectors, judiciary, etc. I'm not saying we have to rush, I'm not saying that if today Pas happens to be in power, hudud must be implemented the next day... I don't think Pas leaders are rushing either. Otherwise they would have implemented hudud in Kelantan Terengganu despite opposition and retaliation from BN/umno. Unity? I
H-Net* RE: The Star:No one can object to Putrajaya decision
*~* { Sila lawat Laman Hizbi-Net - http://www.hizbi.net } {Hantarkan mesej anda ke: [EMAIL PROTECTED] } {Iklan barangan? Hantarkan ke [EMAIL PROTECTED] } *~* PAS : KE ARAH PEMERINTAHAN ISLAM YANG ADIL ~~~ Wa'alaikumussalam wbt, Dear Brother Shah, Same to me with your reply... What have Pas done so far? There are many things done Pas has been doing except majority of the people were not exposed, or simply the govt controlled medias do not provide an equal exposure despite obstacles from you know who... Maybe you should spend some time reading Harakah or other medias which are not controlled by govt... I'm not saying Pas is perfect... However, I believe everybody can see more clearly if Pas is the given the FAIR opportunity to lead federal govt and all media is no longer in controlled by BN cronies... then why not letting Pas the amanah with the people's money... You said the Chinese do not understand about hudud... Yes, I agree because the govt has no intention to implement hudud, no intention to educate the non-muslims about Islamic judiciary and law... even many muslims are still ignorant about hudud... otherwise they would have agreed 100%, right? If the govt is sincere in the direction implementing hudud (or becoming an Islamic state), they have been had the chance for the last 43 years... If PM is not ignorant about hudud, he would not have ridiculed about it... (e.g. of what he said, the country will not be productive if we dismemebered the hands and legs of the thieves in the meeting with chief ministers MBs at Langkawi as compared to Suratul Ma`idah ayat 38 yang bermaksud, "Pencuri lelaki dan pencuri perempuan,maka hendaklah kamu semua potong tangan kedua-dua mereka itu sebagai balasan dengan apa yang mereka usahakan.Dan ini adalah sebagai hukuman pencegah daripada ALLAH SWT.Dan ALLAH itu Tuhan yang Maha Perkasa lagi Maha Bijaksana." Ofcourse if Pas would have implement it now, it would be kelam-kabut... no surprise, since PM has been instilling fear about implementing hudud... he has been telling everybody implementing hudud would create chaos... he has been propogating the negative impact of implementing hudud... instead of educating the public about hudud! If you are in a big crowd and suddenly you yell at the crowd there is a live bomb nearby, definitely the public will be in chaos... it is the same thing what PM has been doing... If PM is really sincere for hudud, he would have said positive things about hudud... If kelam-kabut, wouldn't you blame the person who cried wolf??? Pas brainwashed me? Surprise! What all the medias controlled by the govt, without having attended any special program by Pas??? I can still remember clearly when an 'ulamak' sent by BTN trying to preach that we must obey the ruler by using the Ayat "Athi ULLAH wa athi urrasul wa ulil amri mingkum" but without finishing the whole Ayat... You said not to use Fed govt as an excuse... Ah ha!! Same tactics from umno... since fed govt IS the main excuse and the main obstacle, and then you tell me not use the excuse... it is as if you punched someone in the face and then you tell me not to say the punch is main cause that bruised the face... Funny isn't it?? Sandiwara... What has the govt got to achieve from sandiwara??? I thought it has been quite obvious, don't you notice it??? PM has successfully linked Al-Maunah to Pas... by declaring some of al-maunah member have Pas stickers... I wonder to which political party are the rest of al-maunah associated with (which was not mentioned, ofcourse)??? he successfully used the deductive reasoning tactic... Remember the deductive reasoning joke? Islamic country? None... Then name me your so-called Islamic country... if there is any, I think it is an embarrassment to Malaysia, since the govt has been propogating as Malaysia is THE example Islamic country and the Malaysia Boleh spirit!!! Quiting EON, I quit not because of EON is a crony company... Ha! This has been one of the famous attack point for pro-umno... I wonder, why Rasulullah s.a.w did not forbide any of the sahabahs from working, earning income from the kuffar??? Yes, many malay muslims are stupid! I have many non-muslim friends and colleagues, and umno bn have been a laughing stock... don't you realize it? Ofcourse they are also laughing at Pas, I can understand it because they don't understand Islam and what is Pas trying bring... I can understand when they laughed at Pas for trying to implement hudud, Islamic law, Islamic dressing... but when they laughed at our judiciary system, the court proceedings... I wonder why many still don't feel a thing when our judiciary system (of so-called a GREAT country) has been a BIG joke and ridiculed??? and yes, many malay muslims are stupid... selling
Re: H-Net* RE: The Star:No one can object to Putrajaya decision
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H-Net* RE: The Star:No one can object to Putrajaya decision
*~* { Sila lawat Laman Hizbi-Net - http://www.hizbi.net } {Hantarkan mesej anda ke: [EMAIL PROTECTED] } {Iklan barangan? Hantarkan ke [EMAIL PROTECTED] } *~* PAS : KE ARAH PEMERINTAHAN ISLAM YANG ADIL ~~~ Wa'alaikumussalam wbt, Dear Shah, When you said "due to the 'need' to make popular decision but not a responsible and due decision?", the answer is in your question itself. I guess, BN have been bowing to much to make popular decision, to adhere the demand of the majority, but not to what is responsible and due to Allah, the All-knowing and All-mighty... Putting total trust to the wisdom of our current government have been the teaching by our government. I've learned very well when I was active in GPMS and participated in various courses and programs by Biro Tata Negara. It has always been the words "untuk kemaslahatan negara". In my exposure with BTN programs, they were trying to brainwash us by campaigning that whatever the govt does, there must be a justification behind it. The famous phrase that justifies every action the govt does (i.e. the PM, umno), 'the end justifies the means'. So does this mean that "untuk kemaslahatan negara", it justifies what ever the govt, PM does??? Does this mean that he is so perfect that every action, decision, is right (to Islam ofcourse)? This a matter of principle. No matter how great his contributions to the country (or even to the world), does this allow/justify him to do whatever he wishes (injustice, abusing his power)??? Are we saying that it is okay to do 1 bad thing after we have done 10 good things? Are we saying that we, as an educated society, cannot criticize our government when they have done injustice or misdeed? Are we saying in an educated society, the society has to bow and always say yes to the leader even it is wrong??? I guess, this kind of society is still far from 'an educated society'. It looks to be more suitable to be called a slave (mind) society. Again this is a matter of principle! When you're asking about Kelantan (Pas) achievement, don't tell you that don't know why! It is no secret in Umno of all the efforts by fed. govt (umno) to ensure the failure of opposition govt. Now it has been becoming more obvious, the major obstacle for progress in Kelantan is the fed. govt itself. Remember what PM said when asked about the RM600 million for the Kelantan water issue, that he prefer to spend on something 'more useful'. I guess clean water for the people of Kelantan is not useful. This the mentality and attitude of so-called a great man. Al-Maunah? For sure there are many questions 'bout Al-Maunah case remain a mystery. If the govt has nothing to hide, it will not become a mystery, a 'sandiwara'. Didn't you read the newspaper article (ofcourse from govt controlled media) that I sent some time ago 'bout Al-Maunah some time ago which different paper agency displayed a contradicting images!!! Islamic country? Let me ask you, is judiciary a fundamental element of a government? Hudud is part of Islamic judiciary... no question about this, all scholars agree to this. Ofcourse there is more than just hudud in an Islamic country... Suratul Ma`idah ayat 38 yang bermaksud, "Pencuri lelaki dan pencuri perempuan,maka hendaklah kamu semua potong tangan kedua-dua mereka itu sebagai balasan dengan apa yang mereka usahakan.Dan ini adalah sebagai hukuman pencegah daripada ALLAH SWT.Dan ALLAH itu Tuhan yang Maha Perkasa lagi Maha Bijaksana." Suratul Baqarah ayat 178 yang bermaksud, "Bagi kamu dalam hukuman qisas itu terdapat jaminan kehidupan wahai golongan yang mempunyai ilmu pengetahuan." Surah Al-Maidah ayat 44; "Waman Lam Yahkum Bima Anzallah HuFaula Ikahumul Kafirun" "Barangsiapa yang tidak menjalankan hukum seperti apa yg diturunkan oleh Allah SWT, maka mereka itu adalah Kafir yang Nyata" For those who has wisdom, the greatest wisdom is from Allah swt but then why we still question His ordain? Why Pas has not implement hudud? You are so backdated laa... Give me some time, I got to search thru some article... If Pas declare jihad, will you support them? If you don't support such action, then don't suggest it, and I don't want to suggest it either, so do many others... During the economic crisis, since BN is holding the govt, do you expect BN will hand the govt over to BA and let them put the effort to go through the economic crisis??? If BN knows what they are doing economically, does this mean that it is okay for other misdeeds??? Again back to the question of principle... Nice words from PM, yeaah right! Ofcourse he is not against hudud, he just does not want to implement it. He thinks hudud is not suitable... he thinks the law we have now is superior/better than Allah's law... Isn't it Allah's law is the best and