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akum,
yes....about our current law implementation...i must admit that the
government didnt provide the public enough infos about the law........this
is their mistake.....
however most of our people dont care to know about them either........and
most of them dont have negative view about the law.......thus they accept
them nicely with minor objection....generally they accept them......the main
problem is people have negative view on our sacred hudud.......and this
results from lack of knowledge.......so we need to correct this
misunderstanding to avoid any objection..........we want them to accept
hudud just like how they accept other rules........this is our
target.......that's why we need to explain to them about hudud.......to
clear the misunderstanding or misconceptions.....
just my humble opinion...wasalam
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From: muhammad abdullah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 4:11 PM
Subject: Hudud (formerly: The Star:No one can object to Putrajaya decision)
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> Luqman,
>
> Tell me how many of us really understand the undang-undang of , let say
> income tax...or....undang-undang on saman ekor....or....undang-undang on
> premis menjual makanan...or more seriously ISA or OSA...or the seditious
> act...and the list goes on....
>
> Based on your argument below, If not many people understand these
> undang-undang, why don't you suggest that we stop their implementation
> first.....people of malaysia should stop paying income tax until they
fully
> understand how the law on income tax works.
>
> >From: "luqman ismael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Hassan Haslim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: H-Net* RE: The Star:No one can object to Putrajaya decision
> >Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:14:10 +0800
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> >akum fellow brothers.....
> >
> > I'm so sorry for interrupting your discussion.....but after i read
> >your
> >writings i feel i need to express my opinion regarding this topic.......i
> >think about the hudud....our country is still not ready to accept
> >it.....not
> >because hudud will make our people impaired...or lose the ability to
> >work....BUT because our people dont have enough knowledge about
> >hudud.....we
> >are taught that...before we implement any kind of rules...we must inform
> >the
> >public about the rules.....how it works.....what are their rights in
> >hudud?.... what are the conditions that must be fulfilled before the
> >sentence can be carried out...?.....etc.....today many people dont
> >understand about hudud...and this kind of people includes our PM......our
> >PM
> >obviously doesnt understand
> >the real hudud......from his words i know he's lack of knowledge in
> >hudud......
> >
> > i know it's scary to hear people get canned 100 times for
> >adultery......BUT practically....it's NOT EASY to cane the man and the
> >woman
> >.....because one of the conditions that must apply before they can be
> >canned is.......there must be 4 people who saw the man's 'thing' entered
> >the
> >woman 'thing'.......do u think people will do it in front of other
> >people.....of course not.....practically most of the people who
committed
> >it will be punished according to our current rules...(takzir...)......i
> >think if Madey know bout this....he wont be hesitant to implement
> >hudud.......same thing with the potong tangan.....there are about 7
> >conditions that must apply b4 we can cut the hand.....one of the
conditions
> >is the robber/thief must have committed the crime because of poverty
> >.......today...do u think people will rob for fun.....of course
> >not.....only
> >Mafia rob for fun.....so finally we will again use the takzir.....(our
> >current rules....).....but this doesnt mean hudud 's not suitable to be
> >practiced......we have to practice it (after we informed the public about
> >the real hudud ) because it's Allah's order...and we are His
servants......
> >
> > another thing that concerns me is the unity of Msia
> >muslims.......since
> >our society dont have sufficient knowledge in Hudud...Pas perlu lakukan
> >perkara ini seperti menarik rambut dari tepung........what are the
> >advantage
> >of hudud...? it will make our society safe from crime...Allah will bless
> >us........hudud can make us strong......insyaAllah...but now we can see
> >that
> >we Muslim are not united anymore......there are 2 branch of muslim
...umno
> >and pas......can we be strong without unity.......?.......hell
no......Pas
> >should try to implement hudud....slowly....tarik rambut dari
tepung......i
> >CANT see why we have to rush in implementing hudud.......kita tentu
pernah
> >mendengar cerita pembunuh yg meninggal dalam perjalannya ke masjid untuk
> >bertaubat.......tapi akhirnya dia masuk syurga juga kerana usahanya untuk
> >bertaubat (walaupun sebenarnya dia tak sempat taubat).....same as
> >hudud...we
> >need not to rush in implementing it.......all we need to do is preserve
> >the
> >unity.....and MOVE slowly (but dont stop !!! ) in implementing
> >hudud.....insyaAllah Allah will bless us...
> >
> > .......right now i doubt Pas honesty in making hudud as our
> >system..........if they want to implement Hudud because of Allah....they
> >should try to avoid the disunity of Muslim in M'sia .......and do hudud
> >slowly.........right now they seem to rush and they dont care about our
> >unity ..they rejected the invitation to Majlis Melayu just because of the
> >word 'Melayu' ...they are making umat stronger and weaker at the same
time
> >(mostly weaker....)......Why?......what do they want actually.....?
power
> >or keredhaan Allah....?.......it seems that they are pursuing the
> >former......Sesungguhnya dalam usaha ke arah kebaikan....Allah tidak
lihat
> >hasilnya....Allah hanya lihat bagaimana kita mengusahakannya......adakah
ia
> >seperti menarik rambut dari tepung ataupun gelojoh semacam.........if im
> >Nik
> >Aziz....i'll bring PAS into UMNO......so PAS will have better chance to
> >explain to them the real practical Hudud .........and at the same time
> >unite
> >the Muslim....thus slowly implement the Hudud.....cepat atau lambat tak
> >penting...yg penting kita buat untuk keredhaan Allah......buat seperti
> >menarik rambut dari tepung........
> >
> >wasalam...just my humble opinion......
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Hassan, Haslim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: 'Ahmad Shariman Mohamed Garip' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> >'Azlee Hj Mizan' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 'Fid'
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 'Marhalisa Matari' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 'Ahmad Albakree Mohd Razalli'
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 10:52 AM
> >Subject: H-Net* RE: The Star:No one can object to Putrajaya decision
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> > > Wa'alaikumussalam wbt,
> > > Dear Brother Shah,
> > >
> > > Same to me with your reply...
> > > What have Pas done so far?
> > > There are many things done Pas has been doing except majority of the
> >people
> > > were not exposed, or simply the govt controlled medias do not provide
an
> > > equal exposure despite obstacles from you know who...
> > > Maybe you should spend some time reading Harakah or other medias which
> >are
> > > not controlled by govt...
> > >
> > > I'm not saying Pas is perfect...
> > > However, I believe everybody can see more clearly if Pas is the given
> >the
> > > FAIR opportunity to lead federal govt and all media is no longer in
> > > controlled by BN cronies...
> > > then why not letting Pas the amanah with the people's money...
> > >
> > > You said the Chinese do not understand about hudud...
> > > Yes, I agree because the govt has no intention to implement hudud, no
> > > intention to educate the non-muslims about Islamic judiciary and
law...
> > > even many muslims are still ignorant about hudud...
> > > otherwise they would have agreed 100%, right?
> > > If the govt is sincere in the direction implementing hudud (or
becoming
> >an
> > > Islamic state),
> > > they have been had the chance for the last 43 years...
> > > If PM is not ignorant about hudud, he would not have ridiculed about
> >it...
> > > (e.g. of what he said, the country will not be productive if we
> >dismemebered
> > > the hands and legs of the thieves in the meeting with chief ministers
&
> >MBs
> > > at Langkawi as compared to
> > > Suratul Ma`idah ayat 38 yang bermaksud,
> > > "Pencuri lelaki dan pencuri perempuan,maka hendaklah
> > > kamu semua potong tangan kedua-dua mereka itu sebagai
> > > balasan dengan apa yang mereka usahakan.Dan ini adalah
> > > sebagai hukuman pencegah daripada ALLAH SWT.Dan ALLAH
> > > itu Tuhan yang Maha Perkasa lagi Maha Bijaksana."
> > >
> > > Ofcourse if Pas would have implement it now, it would be
kelam-kabut...
> >no
> > > surprise, since PM has been instilling fear about implementing
hudud...
> > > he has been telling everybody implementing hudud would create chaos...
> > > he has been propogating the negative impact of implementing hudud...
> > > instead of educating the public about hudud!
> > >
> > > If you are in a big crowd and suddenly you yell at the crowd there is
a
> >live
> > > bomb nearby, definitely the public will be in chaos...
> > > it is the same thing what PM has been doing...
> > > If PM is really sincere for hudud, he would have said positive things
> >about
> > > hudud...
> > > If kelam-kabut, wouldn't you blame the person who cried wolf???
> > >
> > > Pas brainwashed me? Surprise!
> > > What all the medias controlled by the govt, without having attended
any
> > > special program by Pas???
> > > I can still remember clearly when an 'ulamak' sent by BTN trying to
> >preach
> > > that we must obey the ruler by using the Ayat "Athi ULLAH wa athi
> >urrasul
> >wa
> > > ulil amri mingkum" but without finishing the whole Ayat...
> > >
> > > You said not to use Fed govt as an excuse...
> > > Ah ha!! Same tactics from umno...
> > > since fed govt IS the main excuse and the main obstacle, and then you
> >tell
> > > me not use the excuse...
> > > it is as if you punched someone in the face and then you tell me not
to
> >say
> > > the punch is main cause that bruised the face...
> > > Funny isn't it??
> > >
> > > Sandiwara...
> > > What has the govt got to achieve from sandiwara???
> > > I thought it has been quite obvious, don't you notice it???
> > > PM has successfully linked Al-Maunah to Pas...
> > > by declaring some of al-maunah member have Pas stickers...
> > > I wonder to which political party are the rest of al-maunah associated
> >with
> > > (which was not mentioned, ofcourse)???
> > > he successfully used the deductive reasoning tactic...
> > > Remember the deductive reasoning joke?
> > >
> > > Islamic country? None...
> > > Then name me your so-called Islamic country...
> > > if there is any, I think it is an embarrassment to Malaysia, since the
> >govt
> > > has been propogating as Malaysia is THE example Islamic country and
the
> > > Malaysia Boleh spirit!!!
> > >
> > > Quiting EON, I quit not because of EON is a crony company...
> > > Ha! This has been one of the famous attack point for pro-umno...
> > > I wonder, why Rasulullah s.a.w did not forbide any of the sahabahs
from
> > > working, earning income from the kuffar???
> > >
> > > Yes, many malay muslims are stupid!
> > > I have many non-muslim friends and colleagues, and umno & bn have been
a
> > > laughing stock...
> > > don't you realize it?
> > > Ofcourse they are also laughing at Pas, I can understand it because
they
> > > don't understand Islam and what is Pas trying bring...
> > > I can understand when they laughed at Pas for trying to implement
hudud,
> > > Islamic law, Islamic dressing...
> > > but when they laughed at our judiciary system, the court
proceedings...
> > > I wonder why many still don't feel a thing when our judiciary system
(of
> > > so-called a GREAT country) has been a BIG joke and ridiculed???
> > >
> > > and yes, many malay muslims are stupid... selling of their principles,
> >no
> > > matter how heavy the crimes have been committed, they just close their
> >eyes
> > > and ears as long as the injustice do not befall on them.
> > > I guess the malays deserve more injustice until they wake up and open
up
> > > their hearts...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ahmad Shariman Mohamed Garip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 2:20 AM
> > > To: Hassan, Haslim; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Azlee Hj Mizan'; 'Fid';
'Marhalisa
> > > Matari'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Ahmad Albakree Mohd Razalli'
> > > Subject: Re: The Star:No one can object to Putrajaya decision
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear brother Haslim,
> > > Assalamualaikum wbt.
> > >
> > > Yr answers dissapoints me.
> > > I did not say that we cannot criticize the government. All I am saying
> >is
> > > what have PAS done so far? And what critisism have you got for them,
or
> > > everything is perfect...? Nik Aziz ..., PAS President for life, is
> >it...????
> > >
> > > Maybe the next STAR headlines should sound: No one can object Nik Aziz
> >or
> > > Ustaz Hadi...
> > >
> > > On following Allahs' teachings- you miss the point. In simple
> >English...you
> > > want to go to Kuala Lumpur from Rawang, if current infra structure
takes
> >me
> > > 1 hour to reach KL then I have to take that one hour if not I'll break
a
> >lot
> > > of traffic rules or might even hurt someone...
> > > Sama goes in following what is due to Allah, TACTFULNESS is the word.
> >Iman
> > > tu 3 level- dalam hati, dalam perkataan dan dengan
> >perbuatan.remember...You
> > > tak nak negara kita kelam kabut, Cina belum faham yang banyak ttg
Islam
> >kita
> > > dah nak implement Hudud, nanti dia sensitif. Are you prepared to see
> >negara
> > > kelam kabut, anak nak keluar rumah pun takut, boleh terima hakikat ini
> > > berlaku sekarang?
> > >
> > > Principle...principle...!!! What the heck? You don't have any
> >principles.
> > > When you were with the govt in all those so called govt programs, you
> >said
> > > you were brainwashed. Now it seems that you have been more brainwashed
> >with
> > > PAS.
> > >
> > > On success of the Kelantan govt. , I merely ask you 10 Questions, so
far
> >no
> > > answers. Such things should be at yr finger tips if you think that
they
> >are
> > > so good. I have warned you not to use the Fed govt as an excuse, you
> >still
> > > use it as an excuse! What a whimp.
> > > I will join jihad if it is a very true cause. Remember the Serbians
> > > Christians justified slayings of Muslims in Yugoslavia due to their
holy
> >war
> > > cry. It was so called 'jihad' in the christianity teachings but for
the
> > > wrong reasons. PAS jihad, if they dare called it can be of same
meaning.
> > >
> > > Sandiwara are mostly in TVs by actors/actresses. What has the govt got
> >to
> > > achieve by sandiwara.
> > > What a joke, from a so called educated person from our educated
society.
> > >
> > > On Islamic country, then in this case name me 3 Islamic country in
this
> > > world and why or is there none basing on yr simple and naive
definition.
> >You
> > > chose to close yr ears on the file that I have forwarded to you
> >regarding
> > > this matter.
> > >
> > > On economic crisis, I am glad that you have quit EON, the so called
> >crony
> >of
> > > Mahathir. Good principles, after so many years... I don't understand
yr
> > > statement on this point.
> > >
> > > Yeah you are surely right on Datuk Harun statement, only that he
should
> > > labelled it on both his beloved PAS and BN- "nak seribu daya, tak nak
> >(atau
> > > nak sandiwara) 1000 excuses"...
> > >
> > > May Allah gives victory to faithful people.
> > >
> > > I can go on and on and on ...
> > > but we Malays Muslims are so stupid. Surely the Chinese and the
Indians
> >are
> > > laughing at us behind our back. Melayu terus layu....the others are
> >spending
> > > their time surfing the net for knowledge and entrepenuerial
> >opportunities
> > > and we...
> > >
> > > Wassalam.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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