Re: SV: [hlcoders] RE: Because forks are fun!

2005-04-08 Thread Draco
[pulling a monkey out of his pocket] Here, look at the monkey. Look at
the silly monkey! [one juror's head explodes]

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SV: [hlcoders] RE: Because forks are fun!

2005-04-06 Thread Jakob W. Nielsen
Since when is a game engine defined by the format of its resource files?
LOTS of engines can read BSP trees; it doesn't make them Q1 engines by
any standard.
If you want to have a guessing contest by my guest by at least be a
little serious about your arguments. Guessing that Source is built on Q1
because it reads BSP trees and MDL files is like saying Star Office is
essentially built upon MSOffice because they can both read plain text
files!

/JWN

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Sendt: 20. februar 2005 18:45
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Emne: RE: [hlcoders] RE: Because forks are fun!

I've had a lot of experience modding both quake1, 2, and 3, (and of
course
hl1) that I can gather from the tools and hl2's sdk, that while hl1 is
primarily still quake, hl2 was definitely based on the hl1 engine source
initially, however much has actually been re-written or not isn't the
issue;
but ontop of that, there are a _lot_ and I mean, a _lot_ of quake2
features
in hl2. remember valve ALSO licensed quake2 back when they were working
on
hl1. some examples that  in implementation (and use) seem like a lot of
recycled and modified quake2 engine stuff, the biggest that I feel like
mentioning are:

BSP format - it's much closer to q2 than q1 now. Game physics and
interactions with the bsp world function just like quake2, the mask
system,
the way that BBOX's finally scale up and down based on rotation, etc.
lots
of similarities.

Some of the way the SDK source is layed out is like hl1 and q1 combined,
it's too hard to explain it, but take a look at the q2 source (the
/game/
source.) and compare it.

I lost what I was saying, so I'll just end here. Lol






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Subject: Re: [hlcoders] RE: Because forks are fun!


There are still remaining bits of Quake 1 scaterred trough all the
Half-Life 1/2. For example .qc file script used for model compiling
(maybe in early stages studiomdl used parts of QuakeC parser)(BOTH); BSP
file fromat(BOTH); extended WAD file format (HL1).




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Re: SV: [hlcoders] RE: Because forks are fun!

2005-04-06 Thread tei
poke poke, Its the horse dead?
Jakob W. Nielsen wrote:
Since when is a game engine defined by the format of its resource files?
LOTS of engines can read BSP trees; it doesn't make them Q1 engines by
any standard.
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?DuckTyping
If it WalksLikeaDuck and talks like a duck, it must be a duck.
Jakob W. Nielsen wrote (in Reply to Tony omega ):
If you want to have a guessing contest by my guest by at least be a
little serious about your arguments. Guessing that Source is built on Q1
because it reads BSP trees and MDL files is like saying Star Office is
essentially built upon MSOffice because they can both read plain text
files!
/JWN
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_Defense
Ladies and gentlemen this [pointing to a picture of Chewbacca] is
Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk, but Chewbacca
lives on the planet Endor. Now, think about that. That does not make
sense! Why would a Wookieean eight foot tall Wookieewant to live on
Endor with a bunch of two foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense!
But more important, you have to ask yourself, what does this have to
do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do
with this case! It does not make sense!
Look at me, I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm
talkin' about Chewbacca. Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am
not making any sense. None of this makes sense!
And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room
deliberating and conjugating the Emancipation Proclamation... does it
make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not
make sense.
If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.

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