Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released

2008-04-03 Thread GZ Coldorak
Yep, I'm gonna subscribe to the linux list too and not just the general hlds
one.
Thanks for the tip

On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Tom Leighton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 If you were subscribed ot the hlds_linux list you would have got it.


 The Linux Team Fortress 2 dedicated server update is now available.
 This is not a required update, but strongly recommended since it fixes
 the crash on changelevel.

 Jason

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 GZ Coldorak wrote:
  Oh, there's a new update
 
  [-]
  April 2, 2008 - *Team Fortress 2 Update Released*
 
   Updates to Team Fortress 2 have been released. The updates will be
 applied
  automatically when your Steam client is restarted. The specific changes
  include:
 
  *Team Fortress 2*
 
 - Fixed Linux dedicated server crash on map change
 
 
  It worked for my TF2 server, no crash at map change, but I don't have
 time
  to test more.
 
  Christophe
 
 
  On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 7:10 AM, GZ Coldorak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 
  I have Metamod Source 1.6.1 with Sourcemod 1.0
 
 
  On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 1:21 AM, Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  So for those of you who have been getting disconnects.Are you
  running Mani's Admin Plugin and/or Metamod?
 
  -Darren
 
  On Apr 2, 2008, at 2:14 PM, GZ Coldorak wrote:
 
 
  I have the same problem as Andrius, my server crashes at every map
  change
  (or at players vote).
  Never happened so often before last update.
  Linux TF2 HLDS.
 
  Cold
 
  On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Andrius Pirus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
 
  Server crashes at mapchange :( Please fix it Valve. It crashes and
  restarts, crashes and restarts all the time when map changes.
   Quoting Patrick Shelley : Steve wrote:
  wow.. I have some good cheese that could go with your whine.
  WOW ! - LOL - LOLZ - ROFL - LMAO !!
  I've never heard that one before.sigh
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Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released

2008-04-03 Thread Cc2iscooL
Actually I think it was only announced on the hlds_announce list (you really
should be on this one, as it notifies of all updates regardless.)

On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 1:34 AM, GZ Coldorak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yep, I'm gonna subscribe to the linux list too and not just the general
 hlds
 one.
 Thanks for the tip

 On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Tom Leighton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  If you were subscribed ot the hlds_linux list you would have got it.
 
 
  The Linux Team Fortress 2 dedicated server update is now available.
  This is not a required update, but strongly recommended since it fixes
  the crash on changelevel.
 
  Jason
 
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  GZ Coldorak wrote:
   Oh, there's a new update
  
   [-]
   April 2, 2008 - *Team Fortress 2 Update Released*
  
Updates to Team Fortress 2 have been released. The updates will be
  applied
   automatically when your Steam client is restarted. The specific
 changes
   include:
  
   *Team Fortress 2*
  
  - Fixed Linux dedicated server crash on map change
  
  
   It worked for my TF2 server, no crash at map change, but I don't have
  time
   to test more.
  
   Christophe
  
  
   On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 7:10 AM, GZ Coldorak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  
  
   I have Metamod Source 1.6.1 with Sourcemod 1.0
  
  
   On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 1:21 AM, Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
   So for those of you who have been getting disconnects.Are you
   running Mani's Admin Plugin and/or Metamod?
  
   -Darren
  
   On Apr 2, 2008, at 2:14 PM, GZ Coldorak wrote:
  
  
   I have the same problem as Andrius, my server crashes at every map
   change
   (or at players vote).
   Never happened so often before last update.
   Linux TF2 HLDS.
  
   Cold
  
   On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Andrius Pirus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
  
  
   Server crashes at mapchange :( Please fix it Valve. It crashes and
   restarts, crashes and restarts all the time when map changes.
Quoting Patrick Shelley : Steve wrote:
   wow.. I have some good cheese that could go with your whine.
   WOW ! - LOL - LOLZ - ROFL - LMAO !!
   I've never heard that one before.sigh
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Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released

2008-04-03 Thread -xL-Trinidad
The german Version of the box didnot even show the whole content cause it 
didnt fit in there.

- Original Message - 
From: George Devgru Seal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list 
hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released


I tend to agree. The only reason I was even aware of the box was through
this mailing list, and I read the update news. But I can tell you that most
gamers are just going to click past that tiny box without caring what was in
the box. They figure, if its important I'll get the message again, but I
want to play a game right now!

...And don't take that as an invitation to make that dialog box show up
everytime you open the browser either, in hopes someone will see it.

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 2:11 AM, Saint K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's not only silly and annoying, its just plain stupid. I've asked people
 around if someone has actually read the box, I haven't been able to find
 one
 yet!

 VALVe, please, just accept for once you've made a mistake, a screw up.
 We'll
 forgive you, things like this can happen. But for god sakes, take that
 damn
 tab out of the server browser!

 Another effect of this tabs, which it looks like you haven't taken in
 account, is that all 'noob' players are on the internet tab. As with
 result
 you have mostly only servers now on that tab were idiots play who keep
 spamming and screaming shit, abusing bugs etc etc. And the default servers
 are mostly not really closely monitored by admins, so the abuse keeps
 going
 on 24/7. Good improvement on the game impression for new players! I'm sure
 they love playing in that kind of environment!

 Saint K.
 -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
 Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Mike Stiehm
 Verzonden: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:04 AM
 Aan: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
 Onderwerp: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released

 If you ask me the new info box is just silly looking and
 its annoying to read.



  Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 00:21:46 -0400 From:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject:
 Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released  my servers
 still only show up half the time in the list. i gave up a  long time ago
 trying.  Rodge Stumbaugh wrote:  Tell me about it, but I have to
 admit,
 steam blows what activision does for  online play of COD4 out of the
 water. Have you ever tried to use their  server browser? What a piece of
 crap.   -Original Message-  From:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy L
 Havener
  Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:07 AM  To: Half-Life dedicated
 Win32
 server mailing list  Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated
 Server
 update released   There seems to be this trend in PC gaming where
 developers want to   control the game experience in online play more and
 more. The most   extreme case would be DICE and the ranked servers for
 BF2
 and 2142.   More and more the options we as admins have to host a game
 the
 way we   want to play it are being taken away. In my opinion, this has
 stemmed   from the consoles where developers and publishers have
 complete
 control   over the gaming experience. That model will never work in the
 PC
 gaming   world. I am really frustrated with how out of touch the devs
 and
   publishers have become. From this problem with the custom tabs in TF2
 
  to the complete and utter BS with KAOS and Frontlines to the crappy  
 console ports we get for a lot of games anymore I just have to shake my 
 
 head and wonder what the hell happened to PC gaming.   Rodge Stumbaugh
 wrote:I have hosted a server for over 4 years now and I only do
 it
 for my own  entertainment and sorry Valve, but the best part of
 running(and playingon)a server is all the cool mods
 these
 kids out there like Mani, Mattie, the  sourcemod folks and now more
 than
 ever Beetlefart and of course othershavecome up with.
 I'm
 not blind though, I do realize there are serious CALtype   
 gamers out there who only want vanilla servers, but I do believe that 
 
  thereare more who like the fun stuff that's been added on.
 Maybe
 I'm wrong,maybeValve could care less about these mods,
 but
 if so, why make a completely  different tab that only shows up if you
 are
 already in the game? That part  really confuses me because I run steam
 from windows, I decide what game to  play from my steam client before I
 go into the game, even what server. So,Irarely ever use
 the steam search while I'm in the game. So, why is it that  Valve
 decided
 to put the tab there and not in the steam client I usebefore  
  I start the game??? That part I don't get at all. But in all honestly,
 I
didcheck out the new message from the update tonight and
 it
 seems fine to me.  Do I think anyone 

Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released

2008-04-03 Thread Robert Whelan
I read it.. I understand it... there :p

There does come a time where many find themselves craving a vanilla server, 
just to play it as it was intended by the developers. For other mods this would 
not make sense, but tf2 has so many servers that its needed. Same goes for 
cs:s. Its like google search results, if your not on the first two pages you 
don't get seen, at least here in tf2 there are now greater chances of your 
server getting seen by the people who are looking for it. 

If not the tabs, then a filter macro. Its all about allowing me, the player, to 
find what I'm looking for faster.

blablabla...



- Original Message 
From: Saint K. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 1:11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released

It's not only silly and annoying, its just plain stupid. I've asked people
around if someone has actually read the box, I haven't been able to find one
yet!

VALVe, please, just accept for once you've made a mistake, a screw up. We'll
forgive you, things like this can happen. But for god sakes, take that damn
tab out of the server browser!

Another effect of this tabs, which it looks like you haven't taken in
account, is that all 'noob' players are on the internet tab. As with result
you have mostly only servers now on that tab were idiots play who keep
spamming and screaming shit, abusing bugs etc etc. And the default servers
are mostly not really closely monitored by admins, so the abuse keeps going
on 24/7. Good improvement on the game impression for new players! I'm sure
they love playing in that kind of environment! 

Saint K.
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Mike Stiehm
Verzonden: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:04 AM
Aan: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Onderwerp: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released

If you ask me the new info box is just silly looking and 
its annoying to read.



 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 00:21:46 -0400 From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject:
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released  my servers
still only show up half the time in the list. i gave up a  long time ago
trying.  Rodge Stumbaugh wrote:  Tell me about it, but I have to admit,
steam blows what activision does for  online play of COD4 out of the
water. Have you ever tried to use their  server browser? What a piece of
crap.   -Original Message-  From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy L Havener
 Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:07 AM  To: Half-Life dedicated Win32
server mailing list  Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server
update released   There seems to be this trend in PC gaming where
developers want to   control the game experience in online play more and
more. The most   extreme case would be DICE and the ranked servers for BF2
and 2142.   More and more the options we as admins have to host a game the
way we   want to play it are being taken away. In my opinion, this has
stemmed   from the consoles where developers and publishers have complete
control   over the gaming experience. That model will never work in the PC
gaming   world. I am really frustrated with how out of touch the devs and
  publishers have become. From this problem with the custom tabs in TF2 
 to the complete and utter BS with KAOS and Frontlines to the crappy  
console ports we get for a lot of games anymore I just have to shake my  
head and wonder what the hell happened to PC gaming.   Rodge Stumbaugh
wrote:I have hosted a server for over 4 years now and I only do it
for my own  entertainment and sorry Valve, but the best part of
running(and playingon)a server is all the cool mods these
kids out there like Mani, Mattie, the  sourcemod folks and now more than
ever Beetlefart and of course othershavecome up with. I'm
not blind though, I do realize there are serious CALtype   
gamers out there who only want vanilla servers, but I do believe that  
 thereare more who like the fun stuff that's been added on. Maybe
I'm wrong,maybeValve could care less about these mods, but
if so, why make a completely  different tab that only shows up if you are
already in the game? That part  really confuses me because I run steam
from windows, I decide what game to  play from my steam client before I
go into the game, even what server. So,Irarely ever use
the steam search while I'm in the game. So, why is it that  Valve decided
to put the tab there and not in the steam client I usebefore  
 I start the game??? That part I don't get at all. But in all honestly, I
   didcheck out the new message from the update tonight and it
seems fine to me.  Do I think anyone will notice it? I doubt it, will
they use it? I hopetheydo. I do, however agree with most
people on this list 

Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released

2008-04-03 Thread Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald
Tags implemented as they are now, will not help you find vanilla servers.

If a new plug-in is made for TF2, the tags will not be modified
automatically, and they will not be modified voluntarily either if server
ops are put into another list for it which causes them to lose their server
traffic.

Every single server in the internet list could be custom, instagib
deathmatch, without the server admins using plug-ins to hide tags.

- voogru.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Whelan
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 10:17 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released

I read it.. I understand it... there :p

There does come a time where many find themselves craving a vanilla server,
just to play it as it was intended by the developers. For other mods this
would not make sense, but tf2 has so many servers that its needed. Same goes
for cs:s. Its like google search results, if your not on the first two pages
you don't get seen, at least here in tf2 there are now greater chances of
your server getting seen by the people who are looking for it. 

If not the tabs, then a filter macro. Its all about allowing me, the player,
to find what I'm looking for faster.

blablabla...



- Original Message 
From: Saint K. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 1:11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released

It's not only silly and annoying, its just plain stupid. I've asked people
around if someone has actually read the box, I haven't been able to find one
yet!

VALVe, please, just accept for once you've made a mistake, a screw up. We'll
forgive you, things like this can happen. But for god sakes, take that damn
tab out of the server browser!

Another effect of this tabs, which it looks like you haven't taken in
account, is that all 'noob' players are on the internet tab. As with result
you have mostly only servers now on that tab were idiots play who keep
spamming and screaming shit, abusing bugs etc etc. And the default servers
are mostly not really closely monitored by admins, so the abuse keeps going
on 24/7. Good improvement on the game impression for new players! I'm sure
they love playing in that kind of environment! 

Saint K.
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Mike Stiehm
Verzonden: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:04 AM
Aan: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Onderwerp: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released

If you ask me the new info box is just silly looking and 
its annoying to read.



 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 00:21:46 -0400 From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject:
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released  my servers
still only show up half the time in the list. i gave up a  long time ago
trying.  Rodge Stumbaugh wrote:  Tell me about it, but I have to admit,
steam blows what activision does for  online play of COD4 out of the
water. Have you ever tried to use their  server browser? What a piece of
crap.   -Original Message-  From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy L Havener
 Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:07 AM  To: Half-Life dedicated Win32
server mailing list  Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server
update released   There seems to be this trend in PC gaming where
developers want to   control the game experience in online play more and
more. The most   extreme case would be DICE and the ranked servers for BF2
and 2142.   More and more the options we as admins have to host a game the
way we   want to play it are being taken away. In my opinion, this has
stemmed   from the consoles where developers and publishers have complete
control   over the gaming experience. That model will never work in the PC
gaming   world. I am really frustrated with how out of touch the devs and
  publishers have become. From this problem with the custom tabs in TF2 
 to the complete and utter BS with KAOS and Frontlines to the crappy  
console ports we get for a lot of games anymore I just have to shake my  
head and wonder what the hell happened to PC gaming.   Rodge Stumbaugh
wrote:I have hosted a server for over 4 years now and I only do it
for my own  entertainment and sorry Valve, but the best part of
running(and playingon)a server is all the cool mods these
kids out there like Mani, Mattie, the  sourcemod folks and now more than
ever Beetlefart and of course othershavecome up with. I'm
not blind though, I do realize there are serious CALtype   
gamers out there who only want vanilla servers, but I do believe that  
 thereare more who like the fun stuff that's been added on. Maybe
I'm wrong,maybeValve could care less about these mods, but
if so, why make