[hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...
In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat? I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for your skills so thats why i don't get cheating. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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That's because 12 year old don't care _how_ they win 2012/4/8 Andrew de Jong k.r.o.n@hotmail.com: In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat? I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for your skills so thats why i don't get cheating. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...
Sadly it's not even just that age group, it's a big mix. Like I said before, if people can cheat, there's a good chance they will, especially with no consequences. On Apr 8, 2012 6:54 AM, Drogen Viech drogenvi...@googlemail.com wrote: That's because 12 year old don't care _how_ they win 2012/4/8 Andrew de Jong k.r.o.n@hotmail.com: In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat? I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for your skills so thats why i don't get cheating. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...
Can't always deduce the logic of others, you'll go crazy trying ;) On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, Andrew de Jong k.r.o.n@hotmail.com wrote: In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat? I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for your skills so thats why i don't get cheating. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...
Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can persist in creating alts until you block their IP range. On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie brodie7...@gmail.com wrote: Can't always deduce the logic of others, you'll go crazy trying ;) On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, Andrew de Jong k.r.o.n@hotmail.com wrote: In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat? I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for your skills so thats why i don't get cheating. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...
Keep in mind that we can assume this isn't the group that is cheating. On Apr 8, 2012 9:00 AM, Alexander Z spacebur...@gmail.com wrote: Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can persist in creating alts until you block their IP range. On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie brodie7...@gmail.com wrote: Can't always deduce the logic of others, you'll go crazy trying ;) On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, Andrew de Jong k.r.o.n@hotmail.com wrote: In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat? I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for your skills so thats why i don't get cheating. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...
I think people cheat because they have a small penis and need to feel big On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Emil Larsson ail...@gmail.com wrote: The trolling kind is usually the easiest one to spot at least, since they usually want to make it obvious that they are cheating (going full spinhack/speedhack etc). On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alexander Z spacebur...@gmail.com wrote: Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can persist in creating alts until you block their IP range. On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie brodie7...@gmail.com wrote: Can't always deduce the logic of others, you'll go crazy trying ;) On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, Andrew de Jong k.r.o.n@hotmail.com wrote: In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat? I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for your skills so thats why i don't get cheating. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...
IP bans work in most cases but anyone with half brain can get around that. Had a case yesterday where person created 10+ f2p accts in 2hrs and everytime he connected from a diff IP. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Albert Davis davis.alb...@gmail.com wrote: I think people cheat because they have a small penis and need to feel big On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Emil Larsson ail...@gmail.com wrote: The trolling kind is usually the easiest one to spot at least, since they usually want to make it obvious that they are cheating (going full spinhack/speedhack etc). On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alexander Z spacebur...@gmail.com wrote: Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can persist in creating alts until you block their IP range. On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie brodie7...@gmail.com wrote: Can't always deduce the logic of others, you'll go crazy trying ;) On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, Andrew de Jong k.r.o.n@hotmail.com wrote: In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat? I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for your skills so thats why i don't get cheating. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...
That's why you ban IP ranges. Kind regards, *Saul Rennison* On 8 April 2012 18:44, IFA Gaming ad...@ifagaming.com wrote: IP bans work in most cases but anyone with half brain can get around that. Had a case yesterday where person created 10+ f2p accts in 2hrs and everytime he connected from a diff IP. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Albert Davis davis.alb...@gmail.com wrote: I think people cheat because they have a small penis and need to feel big On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Emil Larsson ail...@gmail.com ail...@gmail.com wrote: The trolling kind is usually the easiest one to spot at least, since they usually want to make it obvious that they are cheating (going full spinhack/speedhack etc). On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alexander Z spacebur...@gmail.com spacebur...@gmail.com wrote: Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can persist in creating alts until you block their IP range. On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie brodie7...@gmail.com brodie7...@gmail.com wrote: Can't always deduce the logic of others, you'll go crazy trying ;) On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, Andrew de Jong k.r.o.n@hotmail.com k.r.o.n@hotmail.com wrote: In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat? I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for your skills so thats why i don't get cheating. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...
Depends where you are. IP ranges won't help in the slightest in the UK. Your IP can be completely different just by resetting the router. On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:54:03 +0100, Saul Rennison saul.renni...@gmail.com wrote: That's why you ban IP ranges. Kind regards, *Saul Rennison* On 8 April 2012 18:44, IFA Gaming ad...@ifagaming.com wrote: IP bans work in most cases but anyone with half brain can get around that. Had a case yesterday where person created 10+ f2p accts in 2hrs and everytime he connected from a diff IP. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Albert Davis davis.alb...@gmail.com wrote: I think people cheat because they have a small penis and need to feel big On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Emil Larsson ail...@gmail.com ail...@gmail.com wrote: The trolling kind is usually the easiest one to spot at least, since they usually want to make it obvious that they are cheating (going full spinhack/speedhack etc). On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alexander Z spacebur...@gmail.com spacebur...@gmail.com wrote: Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can persist in creating alts until you block their IP range. On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie brodie7...@gmail.com brodie7...@gmail.com wrote: Can't always deduce the logic of others, you'll go crazy trying ;) On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, Andrew de Jong k.r.o.n@hotmail.com k.r.o.n@hotmail.com wrote: In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat? I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for your skills so thats why i don't get cheating. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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If there were no cheaters we would loose our job :) On Sun, 2012-04-08 at 09:44 -0400, Cc2iscooL wrote: Sadly it's not even just that age group, it's a big mix. Like I said before, if people can cheat, there's a good chance they will, especially with no consequences. On Apr 8, 2012 6:54 AM, Drogen Viech drogenvi...@googlemail.com wrote: That's because 12 year old don't care _how_ they win 2012/4/8 Andrew de Jong k.r.o.n@hotmail.com: In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat? I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for your skills so thats why i don't get cheating. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I agree there with daz. Ppl behind proxies usually have completely diff ip everytime they connect. On Apr 8, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Yuki d...@dazzozo.com wrote: Depends where you are. IP ranges won't help in the slightest in the UK. Your IP can be completely different just by resetting the router. On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:54:03 +0100, Saul Rennison saul.renni...@gmail.com wrote: That's why you ban IP ranges. Kind regards, *Saul Rennison* On 8 April 2012 18:44, IFA Gaming ad...@ifagaming.com wrote: IP bans work in most cases but anyone with half brain can get around that. Had a case yesterday where person created 10+ f2p accts in 2hrs and everytime he connected from a diff IP. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Albert Davis davis.alb...@gmail.com wrote: I think people cheat because they have a small penis and need to feel big On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Emil Larsson ail...@gmail.com ail...@gmail.com wrote: The trolling kind is usually the easiest one to spot at least, since they usually want to make it obvious that they are cheating (going full spinhack/speedhack etc). On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alexander Z spacebur...@gmail.com spacebur...@gmail.com wrote: Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can persist in creating alts until you block their IP range. On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie brodie7...@gmail.com brodie7...@gmail.com wrote: Can't always deduce the logic of others, you'll go crazy trying ;) On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, Andrew de Jong k.r.o.n@hotmail.com k.r.o.n@hotmail.com wrote: In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat? I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for your skills so thats why i don't get cheating. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...
Not even proxies are necessary. Just seems to be a case of the America-wide-web. Dynamic IPs are thrown at your door every time you reset the router here, and it's probably the same in most of Europe. On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 19:53:11 +0100, IFA Gaming ad...@ifagaming.com wrote: I agree there with daz. Ppl behind proxies usually have completely diff ip everytime they connect. On Apr 8, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Yuki d...@dazzozo.com wrote: Depends where you are. IP ranges won't help in the slightest in the UK. Your IP can be completely different just by resetting the router. On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:54:03 +0100, Saul Rennison saul.renni...@gmail.com wrote: That's why you ban IP ranges. Kind regards, *Saul Rennison* On 8 April 2012 18:44, IFA Gaming ad...@ifagaming.com wrote: IP bans work in most cases but anyone with half brain can get around that. Had a case yesterday where person created 10+ f2p accts in 2hrs and everytime he connected from a diff IP. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Albert Davis davis.alb...@gmail.com wrote: I think people cheat because they have a small penis and need to feel big On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Emil Larsson ail...@gmail.com ail...@gmail.com wrote: The trolling kind is usually the easiest one to spot at least, since they usually want to make it obvious that they are cheating (going full spinhack/speedhack etc). On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alexander Z spacebur...@gmail.com spacebur...@gmail.com wrote: Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can persist in creating alts until you block their IP range. On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie brodie7...@gmail.com brodie7...@gmail.com wrote: Can't always deduce the logic of others, you'll go crazy trying ;) On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, Andrew de Jong k.r.o.n@hotmail.com k.r.o.n@hotmail.com wrote: In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat? I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for your skills so thats why i don't get cheating. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...
It's not same all around the europe regarding IP's. Here i've seen my own ip change perhaps 1-2 in a year or even less. Of course it depends a lot from the isp but the ip-ranges can be starting from 81.* or 78.* or 87.* 62.* so it's propably the same for anyone else using the same ISP. Then there are those which have IP change every time they reset their dsl box. If someone managed to do 20 accounts and cause havoc on IFA Gaming servers, then obviously the counter measures that Valve said they had when TF2 went Free to Play are ineffective. Could happen to anyone of us. Luckily these idiots who use their Free to play accounts are somewhat stupid and not every case becomes as such. -ics 8.4.2012 21:55, Yuki kirjoitti: Not even proxies are necessary. Just seems to be a case of the America-wide-web. Dynamic IPs are thrown at your door every time you reset the router here, and it's probably the same in most of Europe. On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 19:53:11 +0100, IFA Gaming ad...@ifagaming.com wrote: I agree there with daz. Ppl behind proxies usually have completely diff ip everytime they connect. On Apr 8, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Yuki d...@dazzozo.com wrote: Depends where you are. IP ranges won't help in the slightest in the UK. Your IP can be completely different just by resetting the router. On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:54:03 +0100, Saul Rennison saul.renni...@gmail.com wrote: That's why you ban IP ranges. Kind regards, *Saul Rennison* On 8 April 2012 18:44, IFA Gaming ad...@ifagaming.com wrote: IP bans work in most cases but anyone with half brain can get around that. Had a case yesterday where person created 10+ f2p accts in 2hrs and everytime he connected from a diff IP. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Albert Davis davis.alb...@gmail.com wrote: I think people cheat because they have a small penis and need to feel big On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Emil Larsson ail...@gmail.com ail...@gmail.com wrote: The trolling kind is usually the easiest one to spot at least, since they usually want to make it obvious that they are cheating (going full spinhack/speedhack etc). On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alexander Z spacebur...@gmail.com spacebur...@gmail.com wrote: Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can persist in creating alts until you block their IP range. On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie brodie7...@gmail.com brodie7...@gmail.com wrote: Can't always deduce the logic of others, you'll go crazy trying ;) On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, Andrew de Jong k.r.o.n@hotmail.com k.r.o.n@hotmail.com wrote: In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat? I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for your skills so thats why i don't get cheating. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...
A phone verification system is probably not a bad idea but I think we have gone over this discussion about a month or so ago. - KAC like Global Sourceban database can be somewhat effective against hackers/cheaters until valve decides to do something about the problem. - There is no Report violation feature available if the user doesn't have his/her profile setup. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of ics Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 3:26 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping... It's not same all around the europe regarding IP's. Here i've seen my own ip change perhaps 1-2 in a year or even less. Of course it depends a lot from the isp but the ip-ranges can be starting from 81.* or 78.* or 87.* 62.* so it's propably the same for anyone else using the same ISP. Then there are those which have IP change every time they reset their dsl box. If someone managed to do 20 accounts and cause havoc on IFA Gaming servers, then obviously the counter measures that Valve said they had when TF2 went Free to Play are ineffective. Could happen to anyone of us. Luckily these idiots who use their Free to play accounts are somewhat stupid and not every case becomes as such. -ics 8.4.2012 21:55, Yuki kirjoitti: Not even proxies are necessary. Just seems to be a case of the America-wide-web. Dynamic IPs are thrown at your door every time you reset the router here, and it's probably the same in most of Europe. On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 19:53:11 +0100, IFA Gaming ad...@ifagaming.com wrote: I agree there with daz. Ppl behind proxies usually have completely diff ip everytime they connect. On Apr 8, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Yuki d...@dazzozo.com wrote: Depends where you are. IP ranges won't help in the slightest in the UK. Your IP can be completely different just by resetting the router. On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:54:03 +0100, Saul Rennison saul.renni...@gmail.com wrote: That's why you ban IP ranges. Kind regards, *Saul Rennison* On 8 April 2012 18:44, IFA Gaming ad...@ifagaming.com wrote: IP bans work in most cases but anyone with half brain can get around that. Had a case yesterday where person created 10+ f2p accts in 2hrs and everytime he connected from a diff IP. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Albert Davis davis.alb...@gmail.com wrote: I think people cheat because they have a small penis and need to feel big On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Emil Larsson ail...@gmail.com ail...@gmail.com wrote: The trolling kind is usually the easiest one to spot at least, since they usually want to make it obvious that they are cheating (going full spinhack/speedhack etc). On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alexander Z spacebur...@gmail.com spacebur...@gmail.com wrote: Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can persist in creating alts until you block their IP range. On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie brodie7...@gmail.com brodie7...@gmail.com wrote: Can't always deduce the logic of others, you'll go crazy trying ;) On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, Andrew de Jong k.r.o.n@hotmail.com k.r.o.n@hotmail.com wrote: In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat? I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for your skills so thats why i don't get cheating. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...
We're actually having this discussion every month since TF2 is F2P and we always come to the same conclusion: Valve doesn't care. Le 8 avril 2012 21:43, Vij ad...@ifagaming.com a écrit : A phone verification system is probably not a bad idea but I think we have gone over this discussion about a month or so ago. - KAC like Global Sourceban database can be somewhat effective against hackers/cheaters until valve decides to do something about the problem. - There is no Report violation feature available if the user doesn't have his/her profile setup. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of ics Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 3:26 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping... It's not same all around the europe regarding IP's. Here i've seen my own ip change perhaps 1-2 in a year or even less. Of course it depends a lot from the isp but the ip-ranges can be starting from 81.* or 78.* or 87.* 62.* so it's propably the same for anyone else using the same ISP. Then there are those which have IP change every time they reset their dsl box. If someone managed to do 20 accounts and cause havoc on IFA Gaming servers, then obviously the counter measures that Valve said they had when TF2 went Free to Play are ineffective. Could happen to anyone of us. Luckily these idiots who use their Free to play accounts are somewhat stupid and not every case becomes as such. -ics 8.4.2012 21:55, Yuki kirjoitti: Not even proxies are necessary. Just seems to be a case of the America-wide-web. Dynamic IPs are thrown at your door every time you reset the router here, and it's probably the same in most of Europe. On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 19:53:11 +0100, IFA Gaming ad...@ifagaming.com wrote: I agree there with daz. Ppl behind proxies usually have completely diff ip everytime they connect. On Apr 8, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Yuki d...@dazzozo.com wrote: Depends where you are. IP ranges won't help in the slightest in the UK. Your IP can be completely different just by resetting the router. On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:54:03 +0100, Saul Rennison saul.renni...@gmail.com wrote: That's why you ban IP ranges. Kind regards, *Saul Rennison* On 8 April 2012 18:44, IFA Gaming ad...@ifagaming.com wrote: IP bans work in most cases but anyone with half brain can get around that. Had a case yesterday where person created 10+ f2p accts in 2hrs and everytime he connected from a diff IP. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Albert Davis davis.alb...@gmail.com wrote: I think people cheat because they have a small penis and need to feel big On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Emil Larsson ail...@gmail.com ail...@gmail.com wrote: The trolling kind is usually the easiest one to spot at least, since they usually want to make it obvious that they are cheating (going full spinhack/speedhack etc). On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alexander Z spacebur...@gmail.com spacebur...@gmail.com wrote: Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can persist in creating alts until you block their IP range. On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie brodie7...@gmail.com brodie7...@gmail.com wrote: Can't always deduce the logic of others, you'll go crazy trying ;) On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, Andrew de Jong k.r.o.n@hotmail.com k.r.o.n@hotmail.com wrote: In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat? I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for your skills so thats why i don't get cheating. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...
You are wrong about users who don't have profile set not having those report violation buttons. It just requires you to be logged in to Steamcommunity with your browser to see it. I've reported dozens of cheaters who do not have profiles set through community (with little success of VAC bans i might add) and some of them do have been banned. -ics 8.4.2012 22:43, Vij kirjoitti: A phone verification system is probably not a bad idea but I think we have gone over this discussion about a month or so ago. - KAC like Global Sourceban database can be somewhat effective against hackers/cheaters until valve decides to do something about the problem. - There is no Report violation feature available if the user doesn't have his/her profile setup. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of ics Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 3:26 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping... It's not same all around the europe regarding IP's. Here i've seen my own ip change perhaps 1-2 in a year or even less. Of course it depends a lot from the isp but the ip-ranges can be starting from 81.* or 78.* or 87.* 62.* so it's propably the same for anyone else using the same ISP. Then there are those which have IP change every time they reset their dsl box. If someone managed to do 20 accounts and cause havoc on IFA Gaming servers, then obviously the counter measures that Valve said they had when TF2 went Free to Play are ineffective. Could happen to anyone of us. Luckily these idiots who use their Free to play accounts are somewhat stupid and not every case becomes as such. -ics 8.4.2012 21:55, Yuki kirjoitti: Not even proxies are necessary. Just seems to be a case of the America-wide-web. Dynamic IPs are thrown at your door every time you reset the router here, and it's probably the same in most of Europe. On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 19:53:11 +0100, IFA Gamingad...@ifagaming.com wrote: I agree there with daz. Ppl behind proxies usually have completely diff ip everytime they connect. On Apr 8, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Yukid...@dazzozo.com wrote: Depends where you are. IP ranges won't help in the slightest in the UK. Your IP can be completely different just by resetting the router. On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:54:03 +0100, Saul Rennison saul.renni...@gmail.com wrote: That's why you ban IP ranges. Kind regards, *Saul Rennison* On 8 April 2012 18:44, IFA Gamingad...@ifagaming.com wrote: IP bans work in most cases but anyone with half brain can get around that. Had a case yesterday where person created 10+ f2p accts in 2hrs and everytime he connected from a diff IP. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Albert Davisdavis.alb...@gmail.com wrote: I think people cheat because they have a small penis and need to feel big On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Emil Larsson ail...@gmail.com ail...@gmail.com wrote: The trolling kind is usually the easiest one to spot at least, since they usually want to make it obvious that they are cheating (going full spinhack/speedhack etc). On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alexander Z spacebur...@gmail.com spacebur...@gmail.com wrote: Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can persist in creating alts until you block their IP range. On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie brodie7...@gmail.com brodie7...@gmail.com wrote: Can't always deduce the logic of others, you'll go crazy trying ;) On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, Andrew de Jong k.r.o.n@hotmail.com k.r.o.n@hotmail.com wrote: In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat? I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for your skills so thats why i don't get cheating. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view
Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...
The report violation button is useless. It just makes you think you're doing something good, but you're wasting your time. Le 8 avril 2012 21:53, ics i...@ics-base.net a écrit : You are wrong about users who don't have profile set not having those report violation buttons. It just requires you to be logged in to Steamcommunity with your browser to see it. I've reported dozens of cheaters who do not have profiles set through community (with little success of VAC bans i might add) and some of them do have been banned. -ics 8.4.2012 22:43, Vij kirjoitti: A phone verification system is probably not a bad idea but I think we have gone over this discussion about a month or so ago. - KAC like Global Sourceban database can be somewhat effective against hackers/cheaters until valve decides to do something about the problem. - There is no Report violation feature available if the user doesn't have his/her profile setup. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of ics Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 3:26 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping... It's not same all around the europe regarding IP's. Here i've seen my own ip change perhaps 1-2 in a year or even less. Of course it depends a lot from the isp but the ip-ranges can be starting from 81.* or 78.* or 87.* 62.* so it's propably the same for anyone else using the same ISP. Then there are those which have IP change every time they reset their dsl box. If someone managed to do 20 accounts and cause havoc on IFA Gaming servers, then obviously the counter measures that Valve said they had when TF2 went Free to Play are ineffective. Could happen to anyone of us. Luckily these idiots who use their Free to play accounts are somewhat stupid and not every case becomes as such. -ics 8.4.2012 21:55, Yuki kirjoitti: Not even proxies are necessary. Just seems to be a case of the America-wide-web. Dynamic IPs are thrown at your door every time you reset the router here, and it's probably the same in most of Europe. On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 19:53:11 +0100, IFA Gamingad...@ifagaming.com wrote: I agree there with daz. Ppl behind proxies usually have completely diff ip everytime they connect. On Apr 8, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Yukid...@dazzozo.com wrote: Depends where you are. IP ranges won't help in the slightest in the UK. Your IP can be completely different just by resetting the router. On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:54:03 +0100, Saul Rennison saul.renni...@gmail.com wrote: That's why you ban IP ranges. Kind regards, *Saul Rennison* On 8 April 2012 18:44, IFA Gamingad...@ifagaming.com wrote: IP bans work in most cases but anyone with half brain can get around that. Had a case yesterday where person created 10+ f2p accts in 2hrs and everytime he connected from a diff IP. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Albert Davisdavis.alb...@gmail.com wrote: I think people cheat because they have a small penis and need to feel big On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Emil Larsson ail...@gmail.com ail...@gmail.com wrote: The trolling kind is usually the easiest one to spot at least, since they usually want to make it obvious that they are cheating (going full spinhack/speedhack etc). On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alexander Z spacebur...@gmail.com spacebur...@gmail.com wrote: Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can persist in creating alts until you block their IP range. On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie brodie7...@gmail.com brodie7...@gmail.com wrote: Can't always deduce the logic of others, you'll go crazy trying ;) On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, Andrew de Jong k.r.o.n@hotmail.com k.r.o.n@hotmail.com wrote: In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat? I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for your skills so thats why i don't get cheating. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences
Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=29387083postcount=25 Due to this post, i keep reporting and so should everyone else. -ics 8.4.2012 22:55, AnAkIn . kirjoitti: The report violation button is useless. It just makes you think you're doing something good, but you're wasting your time. Le 8 avril 2012 21:53, icsi...@ics-base.net a écrit : You are wrong about users who don't have profile set not having those report violation buttons. It just requires you to be logged in to Steamcommunity with your browser to see it. I've reported dozens of cheaters who do not have profiles set through community (with little success of VAC bans i might add) and some of them do have been banned. -ics 8.4.2012 22:43, Vij kirjoitti: A phone verification system is probably not a bad idea but I think we have gone over this discussion about a month or so ago. - KAC like Global Sourceban database can be somewhat effective against hackers/cheaters until valve decides to do something about the problem. - There is no Report violation feature available if the user doesn't have his/her profile setup. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of ics Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 3:26 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping... It's not same all around the europe regarding IP's. Here i've seen my own ip change perhaps 1-2 in a year or even less. Of course it depends a lot from the isp but the ip-ranges can be starting from 81.* or 78.* or 87.* 62.* so it's propably the same for anyone else using the same ISP. Then there are those which have IP change every time they reset their dsl box. If someone managed to do 20 accounts and cause havoc on IFA Gaming servers, then obviously the counter measures that Valve said they had when TF2 went Free to Play are ineffective. Could happen to anyone of us. Luckily these idiots who use their Free to play accounts are somewhat stupid and not every case becomes as such. -ics 8.4.2012 21:55, Yuki kirjoitti: Not even proxies are necessary. Just seems to be a case of the America-wide-web. Dynamic IPs are thrown at your door every time you reset the router here, and it's probably the same in most of Europe. On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 19:53:11 +0100, IFA Gamingad...@ifagaming.com wrote: I agree there with daz. Ppl behind proxies usually have completely diff ip everytime they connect. On Apr 8, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Yukid...@dazzozo.comwrote: Depends where you are. IP ranges won't help in the slightest in the UK. Your IP can be completely different just by resetting the router. On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:54:03 +0100, Saul Rennison saul.renni...@gmail.comwrote: That's why you ban IP ranges. Kind regards, *Saul Rennison* On 8 April 2012 18:44, IFA Gamingad...@ifagaming.comwrote: IP bans work in most cases but anyone with half brain can get around that. Had a case yesterday where person created 10+ f2p accts in 2hrs and everytime he connected from a diff IP. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Albert Davisdavis.alb...@gmail.com wrote: I think people cheat because they have a small penis and need to feel big On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Emil Larssonail...@gmail.com ail...@gmail.comwrote: The trolling kind is usually the easiest one to spot at least, since they usually want to make it obvious that they are cheating (going full spinhack/speedhack etc). On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alexander Z spacebur...@gmail.comspacebur...@gmail.comwrote: Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can persist in creating alts until you block their IP range. On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodiebrodie7...@gmail.com brodie7...@gmail.comwrote: Can't always deduce the logic of others, you'll go crazy trying ;) On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, Andrew de Jong k.r.o.n@hotmail.com k.r.o.n@hotmail.comwrote: In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat? I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for your skills so thats why i don't get cheating. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin
