Re: [hlds] Roll back on client
FFS. All I said was that x64 is not supported by Valve. Meaning they don't have to rollback anything for an operating system that they do not officially support. I know they are looking into 64 bit extentions, but that does not mean they are officially offering technical support or offering ANY promises that their product will work on that OS. Post about the problem, that's fine. But to request a roll back for everybody just because a few people are having problems? No. That is the only point that I've made throughout this entire 'childish' back and forth here in front of all. This also isn't an issue about beta software. Steam isn't in beta, it's like in perpetual gone gold status since it's always being updated. There will never be a finalized version of it and I'm sure most everybody has accepted that by now. My beta comment earlier was only made to illustrate a point about how absurd it is to complain about beta software when something goes wrong just as it's absurd to complain or demand a rollback when something goes wrong with unsupported software. Does that clear a bit up? stalker333 wrote: Shawn Zipay: I dont understand how you don't realize you don't know wtf you are talking about. READ the mails that come over this list from valve, you'll soon find out what you are saying is dead wrong. Actually, I agree, a rollback on the updates is about a dumbass way to go about fixing this. Even for 32bit OSs, btw. Finally, and I hate to point out the obvious, but since you just don't seem to get it, here it goes The only way Valve is going to know if these updates screw up the 64bit servers (we're not talking about clients here), IS IF THEY POST ABOUT IT. So FFS, like I said, if you don't have something USEFUL to say, or in this case even understand the issue, don't comment on it. I could go on and explain myself, but really I've wasted enough time on this already. Just remember, BETA software doesn't get outta beta without TESTING and REPORTING of issues. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Roll back on client
. Roll back on client... This has nothing to do with this server-list unless someone claims that the server is affected.. which I have not seen yet. Saying that Steam.exe is the problem and therefore affect both servers and clients is just silly. That other clients is affected when someone lags like that, yes. But read: clients. Clients affecting other clients, not the servers. Supported is a word maybe some of you misunderstand in the meaning of Supported OS. It does not mean VALVe will not help out what so ever. It does not mean they will not try to fix it, it simply means that this OS does not have the right for support. You can probably get it.. but you cant expect it. I'm not sure if VALVe sells support with/for this game, but if they do it means they have to give you support on supported OS's. If the software does not work on a supported OS(and they don't help you fix it) I believe you can claim your money back. But in this case VALVe is constantly working on the client and the server, I doubt you will be able to get anything back. regards, Alexander ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Shawn, Yep, if all you are talking about is the rollback, obviously. You acted like, however, that anyone with 64bit boxes should expect NO support, thats simply not the case. On top of that, the only way they are going to get any decent support is by making is as easy as possible for Valve to find/fix the problems that are bound to pop up. Which means, posting here with debug info or bug behavior. They have to post that here, or I suppose they could send it directly to Alfred and waste his time, if it's something someone on this list could have answered. As someone else pointed out, unsupported doesnt mean no support. Valve is pretty good about that, I must say. Anyway, sorry I came off a little hostile, but it just pisses me off to no end when people post here for help or to explain what they see happening on their servers, and 1-2 people always have to tell them how stupid they are for asking, they should go away, etc. -Smurf Message: 7 Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 03:35:59 -0400 From: Shawn Zipay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Roll back on client Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com FFS. All I said was that x64 is not supported by Valve. Meaning they don't have to rollback anything for an operating system that they do not officially support. I know they are looking into 64 bit extentions, but that does not mean they are officially offering technical support or offering ANY promises that their product will work on that OS. Post about the problem, that's fine. But to request a roll back for everybody just because a few people are having problems? No. That is the only point that I've made throughout this entire 'childish' back and forth here in front of all. This also isn't an issue about beta software. Steam isn't in beta, it's like in perpetual gone gold status since it's always being updated. There will never be a finalized version of it and I'm sure most everybody has accepted that by now. My beta comment earlier was only made to illustrate a point about how absurd it is to complain about beta software when something goes wrong just as it's absurd to complain or demand a rollback when something goes wrong with unsupported software. Does that clear a bit up? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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- Original Message - From: stalker333 [EMAIL PROTECTED] /sigh Why does this list have such a troll infestation Find something useful to add, or DONT ADD ANYTHING to the conversation. Good Day... -Smurf Kinda ironic,don't ya think..its like rain... On the 64bit note while it isn't offically supported I'm sure in more than one way they are working on it in the background.So input on 64bit from time to time doesn't hurt anyone.It really helps me hearing the problems people are having with 64bit os's/machine as in I was thinking of swapping over to one myself. BeNt http://www.gorillazsouth.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Roll back on client
Last I knew Valve doesn't support X64. Unsupported means they offer no promises about Steam or any of the games working on that OS and are under no obligation to provide fixes for it. In all honesty for your using an unsupported OS it's fortunate that you were even able to get Steam working in the first place. Jim wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Alfred, I know you said Steam is aware of a problem with X64 Windows. In the short term can we roll the client back to prior to this last update. Seems this problem is most prevelate with the Windows X64, however, a number of people are reporting FPS issues as well. This latest changes has hammered a lot of us and a number of us are not able to enjoy the game due to not being able to play. Can you roll back the client changes until a solution is finalized with the FPS / Lag issue for all of the platforms? Here is a Screen Shot when the issue occurs that shows the FPS drops massively and the Ping shoots up to high numbers when the error occurs. In addition here is the link of numerous other players experiencing the same issue from the Steam Forum. http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/printthread.php?s=63ca6b2c3aae3b140956c93bba7d836dthreadid=323814perpage=15pagenumber=1 Thanks - Jim -- [ de_dustx2.jpg of type image/jpeg deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Roll back on client
Yeah well... no one asked for a X64 Version... However, this last update took a working product and caused not only X64 Clients to stop working properly but affected a number of other OS clients... as well, Hence the 3 days straight of uploads. Now it would be simple if X64 only ran 64 bit applications.. However, X64 runs both 64 bit and 32 bit apps. Alfred, has already mentioned this last update has caused an impact to those playing in the game more so in X64...and working on repairing what was broken in the last updates, Thanks for the insight... But there are people playing on 32 bit who are also having the same problem with LOW FPS and High Ping rates. Oh on a seperate note.. the X64 run the SRCDS Server with no problems what so ever under the WOW64 technology that supports running 32 bit apps under the 64 Bit OS... So you would think the Server would be affected. But, sorry to report, it is running fine. I should know I host on X64 a server as well.. and have seen numerous post of other 64 bit Systems here in passing. So I do not see where your comment of running Steam in the first place was fortunate... My thoughts are simple... If it works so be it.. if enough people Spend thier hard earn dollars to support a company in it's venture and there is a problem correct it. 64 Bit is here to stay this is not a passing fad. Why would all the industry be moving more and more to the 64 bit..??? Sorry to vent... but I love when people make statements about X64 and yet do not own or activily work on the platforms that support it... So on to the facts: 1) Steam is currently a 32 bit application. No current 64 bit application and may never have one. Shame based on the number of servers out there will eventually find some other companys product to support and will jump ship. 2) 64 bit processors where up till last updates processing 32 bit applications fine, So change in the Engine or Optimization changed. Opps, something changed that caused this problem... Time to review the change log and isolate the problem(s) to restore the product where all will continue to support it and future products coming out. 3) Steam at current, is not pursuing a 64 application. Money lost if they do not follow through with including this technology. Sounds like the old Win3.1 and 95 days... those companies lost massive revenues by not including newer technology and a number of them disappeared over time. The End User moved on to someone that did support more modern technology. Okay enough Venting.. and back to the original problem, When can we or will find a cure to the problem at hand for restoring the game client's so more people can play. - Jim - Original Message - From: Shawn Zipay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Roll back on client Last I knew Valve doesn't support X64. Unsupported means they offer no promises about Steam or any of the games working on that OS and are under no obligation to provide fixes for it. In all honesty for your using an unsupported OS it's fortunate that you were even able to get Steam working in the first place. Jim wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Alfred, I know you said Steam is aware of a problem with X64 Windows. In the short term can we roll the client back to prior to this last update. Seems this problem is most prevelate with the Windows X64, however, a number of people are reporting FPS issues as well. This latest changes has hammered a lot of us and a number of us are not able to enjoy the game due to not being able to play. Can you roll back the client changes until a solution is finalized with the FPS / Lag issue for all of the platforms? Here is a Screen Shot when the issue occurs that shows the FPS drops massively and the Ping shoots up to high numbers when the error occurs. In addition here is the link of numerous other players experiencing the same issue from the Steam Forum. http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/printthread.php?s=63ca6b2c3aae3b140956c93bba7d836dthreadid=323814perpage=15pagenumber=1 Thanks - Jim -- [ de_dustx2.jpg of type image/jpeg deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Roll back on client
Unsupported. All you need to know really. Jim wrote: Yeah well... no one asked for a X64 Version... However, this last update took a working product and caused not only X64 Clients to stop working properly but affected a number of other OS clients... as well, Hence the 3 days straight of uploads. Now it would be simple if X64 only ran 64 bit applications.. However, X64 runs both 64 bit and 32 bit apps. Alfred, has already mentioned this last update has caused an impact to those playing in the game more so in X64...and working on repairing what was broken in the last updates, Thanks for the insight... But there are people playing on 32 bit who are also having the same problem with LOW FPS and High Ping rates. Oh on a seperate note.. the X64 run the SRCDS Server with no problems what so ever under the WOW64 technology that supports running 32 bit apps under the 64 Bit OS... So you would think the Server would be affected. But, sorry to report, it is running fine. I should know I host on X64 a server as well.. and have seen numerous post of other 64 bit Systems here in passing. So I do not see where your comment of running Steam in the first place was fortunate... My thoughts are simple... If it works so be it.. if enough people Spend thier hard earn dollars to support a company in it's venture and there is a problem correct it. 64 Bit is here to stay this is not a passing fad. Why would all the industry be moving more and more to the 64 bit..??? Sorry to vent... but I love when people make statements about X64 and yet do not own or activily work on the platforms that support it... So on to the facts: 1) Steam is currently a 32 bit application. No current 64 bit application and may never have one. Shame based on the number of servers out there will eventually find some other companys product to support and will jump ship. 2) 64 bit processors where up till last updates processing 32 bit applications fine, So change in the Engine or Optimization changed. Opps, something changed that caused this problem... Time to review the change log and isolate the problem(s) to restore the product where all will continue to support it and future products coming out. 3) Steam at current, is not pursuing a 64 application. Money lost if they do not follow through with including this technology. Sounds like the old Win3.1 and 95 days... those companies lost massive revenues by not including newer technology and a number of them disappeared over time. The End User moved on to someone that did support more modern technology. Okay enough Venting.. and back to the original problem, When can we or will find a cure to the problem at hand for restoring the game client's so more people can play. - Jim - Original Message - From: Shawn Zipay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Roll back on client Last I knew Valve doesn't support X64. Unsupported means they offer no promises about Steam or any of the games working on that OS and are under no obligation to provide fixes for it. In all honesty for your using an unsupported OS it's fortunate that you were even able to get Steam working in the first place. Jim wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Alfred, I know you said Steam is aware of a problem with X64 Windows. In the short term can we roll the client back to prior to this last update. Seems this problem is most prevelate with the Windows X64, however, a number of people are reporting FPS issues as well. This latest changes has hammered a lot of us and a number of us are not able to enjoy the game due to not being able to play. Can you roll back the client changes until a solution is finalized with the FPS / Lag issue for all of the platforms? Here is a Screen Shot when the issue occurs that shows the FPS drops massively and the Ping shoots up to high numbers when the error occurs. In addition here is the link of numerous other players experiencing the same issue from the Steam Forum. http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/printthread.php?s=63ca6b2c3aae3b140956c93bba7d836dthreadid=323814perpage=15pagenumber=1 Thanks - Jim -- [ de_dustx2.jpg of type image/jpeg deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives
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Well Thank you so very much... for your two cents... let me know when you start at Valve in the mean time... thank you but no thank you... Have a wonderful day... - Original Message - From: Shawn Zipay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Roll back on client Unsupported. All you need to know really. Jim wrote: Yeah well... no one asked for a X64 Version... However, this last update took a working product and caused not only X64 Clients to stop working properly but affected a number of other OS clients... as well, Hence the 3 days straight of uploads. Now it would be simple if X64 only ran 64 bit applications.. However, X64 runs both 64 bit and 32 bit apps. Alfred, has already mentioned this last update has caused an impact to those playing in the game more so in X64...and working on repairing what was broken in the last updates, Thanks for the insight... But there are people playing on 32 bit who are also having the same problem with LOW FPS and High Ping rates. Oh on a seperate note.. the X64 run the SRCDS Server with no problems what so ever under the WOW64 technology that supports running 32 bit apps under the 64 Bit OS... So you would think the Server would be affected. But, sorry to report, it is running fine. I should know I host on X64 a server as well.. and have seen numerous post of other 64 bit Systems here in passing. So I do not see where your comment of running Steam in the first place was fortunate... My thoughts are simple... If it works so be it.. if enough people Spend thier hard earn dollars to support a company in it's venture and there is a problem correct it. 64 Bit is here to stay this is not a passing fad. Why would all the industry be moving more and more to the 64 bit..??? Sorry to vent... but I love when people make statements about X64 and yet do not own or activily work on the platforms that support it... So on to the facts: 1) Steam is currently a 32 bit application. No current 64 bit application and may never have one. Shame based on the number of servers out there will eventually find some other companys product to support and will jump ship. 2) 64 bit processors where up till last updates processing 32 bit applications fine, So change in the Engine or Optimization changed. Opps, something changed that caused this problem... Time to review the change log and isolate the problem(s) to restore the product where all will continue to support it and future products coming out. 3) Steam at current, is not pursuing a 64 application. Money lost if they do not follow through with including this technology. Sounds like the old Win3.1 and 95 days... those companies lost massive revenues by not including newer technology and a number of them disappeared over time. The End User moved on to someone that did support more modern technology. Okay enough Venting.. and back to the original problem, When can we or will find a cure to the problem at hand for restoring the game client's so more people can play. - Jim - Original Message - From: Shawn Zipay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Roll back on client Last I knew Valve doesn't support X64. Unsupported means they offer no promises about Steam or any of the games working on that OS and are under no obligation to provide fixes for it. In all honesty for your using an unsupported OS it's fortunate that you were even able to get Steam working in the first place. Jim wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Alfred, I know you said Steam is aware of a problem with X64 Windows. In the short term can we roll the client back to prior to this last update. Seems this problem is most prevelate with the Windows X64, however, a number of people are reporting FPS issues as well. This latest changes has hammered a lot of us and a number of us are not able to enjoy the game due to not being able to play. Can you roll back the client changes until a solution is finalized with the FPS / Lag issue for all of the platforms? Here is a Screen Shot when the issue occurs that shows the FPS drops massively and the Ping shoots up to high numbers when the error occurs. In addition here is the link of numerous other players experiencing the same issue from the Steam Forum. http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/printthread.php?s=63ca6b2c3aae3b140956c93bba7d836dthreadid=323814perpage=15pagenumber=1 Thanks - Jim -- [ de_dustx2.jpg of type image/jpeg deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http
Re: [hlds] Roll back on client
[ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Actually, I believe Alfred said they were working on something along those lines but won't be released for quite awhile, but they are working on it. From: Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Roll back on client Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:09:23 -0700 3) Steam at current, is not pursuing a 64 application. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Really I don't understand how you don't realize the fact that X64 just isn't a supported OS. To roll back an update that is working fine for a majority of the people is just asinine. Perhaps if the update caused major problems on 32bit OS's then there'd be cause for alarm. Why? Because Windows 32bit IS supported. X64 is not. Don't get upset when I'm only stating the facts of the matter. Listen, I'm sorry that the game doesn't work as you'd expect, but this is just like when people use beta software and then complain when it crashes or breaks other applications somehow. Completely unnecessary. Jim wrote: Well Thank you so very much... for your two cents... let me know when you start at Valve in the mean time... thank you but no thank you... Have a wonderful day... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Thanks Sandy... with regards to that... however the last in the Forum by Steam was no not pursuing this one.. Actually the only thing I would be happy with is restoring the latest changes to correct the immediate problem at hand... The number of Users having a problem with 1 - 5 minutes of play, then the FPS drops to 10 or less, the Ping shoots up to 900+ and if you look at the Task Manager the Steam.exe Application is pulling 90 % + of the CPU. Definitly something wrong when the Steam Application pulling all the CPU. It seems predominate that the users mostly experiencing this issue is the X64, however, the numbers are growing with 32 XP as well. - Jim - Original Message - From: SANDY LEBLANC [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Roll back on client [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Actually, I believe Alfred said they were working on something along those lines but won't be released for quite awhile, but they are working on it. From: Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Roll back on client Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:09:23 -0700 3) Steam at current, is not pursuing a 64 application. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Well Zipay, If you had read my message... which you have not.. it is NOT only X64 seeing the problem... how many users would you like to know??? I personally can count 81 People Having the problem on Win 32 XP Pro... So please before you continue... READ the whole Post... and do not stop at X64... Your assumption is incorrect Thank you... - Original Message - From: Shawn Zipay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Roll back on client Really I don't understand how you don't realize the fact that X64 just isn't a supported OS. To roll back an update that is working fine for a majority of the people is just asinine. Perhaps if the update caused major problems on 32bit OS's then there'd be cause for alarm. Why? Because Windows 32bit IS supported. X64 is not. Don't get upset when I'm only stating the facts of the matter. Listen, I'm sorry that the game doesn't work as you'd expect, but this is just like when people use beta software and then complain when it crashes or breaks other applications somehow. Completely unnecessary. Jim wrote: Well Thank you so very much... for your two cents... let me know when you start at Valve in the mean time... thank you but no thank you... Have a wonderful day... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Oh??? And another question... What Beta Software are you refering to??? I have nothing running BETA on my system... - Original Message - From: Shawn Zipay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Roll back on client Really I don't understand how you don't realize the fact that X64 just isn't a supported OS. To roll back an update that is working fine for a majority of the people is just asinine. Perhaps if the update caused major problems on 32bit OS's then there'd be cause for alarm. Why? Because Windows 32bit IS supported. X64 is not. Don't get upset when I'm only stating the facts of the matter. Listen, I'm sorry that the game doesn't work as you'd expect, but this is just like when people use beta software and then complain when it crashes or breaks other applications somehow. Completely unnecessary. Jim wrote: Well Thank you so very much... for your two cents... let me know when you start at Valve in the mean time... thank you but no thank you... Have a wonderful day... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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[ Converted text/html to text/plain ] I have yet to experience any problems with this coincidentally, that last update fixed a voice issue I was haing in tfc where I could no longer hear voice if I was in water. Now I can go in out of water without losing the ability to hear voice still. From: Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Roll back on client Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:57:14 -0700 Thanks Sandy... with regards to that... however the last in the Forum by Steam was no not pursuing this one.. Actually the only thing I would be happy with is restoring the latest changes to correct the immediate problem at hand... The number of Users having a problem with 1 - 5 minutes of play, then the FPS drops to 10 or less, the Ping shoots up to 900+ and if you look at the Task Manager the Steam.exe Application is pulling 90 % + of the CPU. Definitly something wrong when the Steam Application pulling all the CPU. It seems predominate that the users mostly experiencing this issue is the X64, however, the numbers are growing with 32 XP as well. - Jim - Original Message - From: SANDY LEBLANC [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Roll back on client [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Actually, I believe Alfred said they were working on something along those lines but won't be released for quite awhile, but they are working on it. From: Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Roll back on client Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:09:23 -0700 3) Steam at current, is not pursuing a 64 application. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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[ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Ok so then say 100 people out of a few hundred thousand that are having problems. Nope, can't see a roll back for a handfull of people. From: Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Roll back on client Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 17:00:28 -0700 Well Zipay, If you had read my message... which you have not.. it is NOT only X64 seeing the problem... how many users would you like to know??? I personally can count 81 People Having the problem on Win 32 XP Pro... So please before you continue... READ the whole Post... and do not stop at X64... Your assumption is incorrect Thank you... - Original Message - From: Shawn Zipay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Roll back on client Really I don't understand how you don't realize the fact that X64 just isn't a supported OS. To roll back an update that is working fine for a majority of the people is just asinine. Perhaps if the update caused major problems on 32bit OS's then there'd be cause for alarm. Why? Because Windows 32bit IS supported. X64 is not. Don't get upset when I'm only stating the facts of the matter. Listen, I'm sorry that the game doesn't work as you'd expect, but this is just like when people use beta software and then complain when it crashes or breaks other applications somehow. Completely unnecessary. Jim wrote: Well Thank you so very much... for your two cents... let me know when you start at Valve in the mean time... thank you but no thank you... Have a wonderful day... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I said major problems meaning the majority of Steam users. That is not the case. At last check there are some 30.5K users playing CS: Source alone right now. That is hardly the majority of CS: Source owners that are experiencing the problem you describe be it on X64 or 32bit OS's. Like I said, sorry for your problems, but to roll back an update that is working fine for a majority of users would not make any sense. As for the beta software comment it was an example used to illustrate a point. Jim wrote: Well Zipay, If you had read my message... which you have not.. it is NOT only X64 seeing the problem... how many users would you like to know??? I personally can count 81 People Having the problem on Win 32 XP Pro... So please before you continue... READ the whole Post... and do not stop at X64... Your assumption is incorrect Thank you... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Okay... so to end this whole problem... I guess I am wrong to Bitch, Moan and Groan, Because I have a Problem and a part of a small select group affected as well... Well excuse the Hell of me and all the little people for bringing this up and taken so much of your time... when the pupose of this forum is to post errors and problems to hopefully find a solution... Thanks for informing me that I was so wrongly confused... But seems funny really when -sports which affected a small group of people... was given alot of attention... When someone was having People Getting bumped on a single server was a big issue... And you talk about Oh Well guess you are screwed when it is those buying the client making the money for Steam... It is not the person who is hosting the game... seeing how you can download the server for free... So who is more important... getting the Users who support the Game and put bread on the table buying the client.. or the Server??? At this point althou the new released products look kinda of nice...and was considering checking them out, until I see a fix I will not waste any more money on this company to support them. Enough Said... I will just shut my mouth and forget I have a Problem with my OS. and hopefully next time I get this good of a screwing I atleast get kissed and respected in the morning... No need to respond... If this offended anyone... Sorry... Just totally venting... -Jim - Original Message - From: Shawn Zipay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Roll back on client I said major problems meaning the majority of Steam users. That is not the case. At last check there are some 30.5K users playing CS: Source alone right now. That is hardly the majority of CS: Source owners that are experiencing the problem you describe be it on X64 or 32bit OS's. Like I said, sorry for your problems, but to roll back an update that is working fine for a majority of users would not make any sense. As for the beta software comment it was an example used to illustrate a point. Jim wrote: Well Zipay, If you had read my message... which you have not.. it is NOT only X64 seeing the problem... how many users would you like to know??? I personally can count 81 People Having the problem on Win 32 XP Pro... So please before you continue... READ the whole Post... and do not stop at X64... Your assumption is incorrect Thank you... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Roll back on client
- Original Message - From: Shawn Zipay [EMAIL PROTECTED] I said major problems meaning the majority of Steam users. That is not the case. At last check there are some 30.5K users playing CS: Source alone right now. That is hardly the majority of CS: Source owners that are experiencing the problem you describe be it on X64 or 32bit OS's. Like I said, sorry for your problems, but to roll back an update that is working fine for a majority of users would not make any sense. As for the beta software comment it was an example used to illustrate a point. Well for me this is the first I'm hearing about this problem.I have had nobody complain in my community about it yet.I dunno.But a rollback is alittle harse. BeNt http://www.gorillazsouth.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Amen. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:43 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Roll back on client Okay... so to end this whole problem... I guess I am wrong to Bitch, Moan and Groan, Because I have a Problem and a part of a small select group affected as well... Well excuse the Hell of me and all the little people for bringing this up and taken so much of your time... when the pupose of this forum is to post errors and problems to hopefully find a solution... Thanks for informing me that I was so wrongly confused... But seems funny really when -sports which affected a small group of people... was given alot of attention... When someone was having People Getting bumped on a single server was a big issue... And you talk about Oh Well guess you are screwed when it is those buying the client making the money for Steam... It is not the person who is hosting the game... seeing how you can download the server for free... So who is more important... getting the Users who support the Game and put bread on the table buying the client.. or the Server??? At this point althou the new released products look kinda of nice...and was considering checking them out, until I see a fix I will not waste any more money on this company to support them. Enough Said... I will just shut my mouth and forget I have a Problem with my OS. and hopefully next time I get this good of a screwing I atleast get kissed and respected in the morning... No need to respond... If this offended anyone... Sorry... Just totally venting... -Jim - Original Message - From: Shawn Zipay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Roll back on client I said major problems meaning the majority of Steam users. That is not the case. At last check there are some 30.5K users playing CS: Source alone right now. That is hardly the majority of CS: Source owners that are experiencing the problem you describe be it on X64 or 32bit OS's. Like I said, sorry for your problems, but to roll back an update that is working fine for a majority of users would not make any sense. As for the beta software comment it was an example used to illustrate a point. Jim wrote: Well Zipay, If you had read my message... which you have not.. it is NOT only X64 seeing the problem... how many users would you like to know??? I personally can count 81 People Having the problem on Win 32 XP Pro... So please before you continue... READ the whole Post... and do not stop at X64... Your assumption is incorrect Thank you... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Roll back on client
Quick question, is this a client related FPS/lag issue being discussed? The recent -sport issue was absolutely relevant to this list, as it was a server related problem. It would be a lie to say I've followed this thread closely, so wanted clarification on which piece of the software this is affecting (server or client). - Original Message - From: Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Roll back on client Okay... so to end this whole problem... I guess I am wrong to Bitch, Moan and Groan, Because I have a Problem and a part of a small select group affected as well... Well excuse the Hell of me and all the little people for bringing this up and taken so much of your time... when the pupose of this forum is to post errors and problems to hopefully find a solution... Thanks for informing me that I was so wrongly confused... But seems funny really when -sports which affected a small group of people... was given alot of attention... When someone was having People Getting bumped on a single server was a big issue... And you talk about Oh Well guess you are screwed when it is those buying the client making the money for Steam... It is not the person who is hosting the game... seeing how you can download the server for free... So who is more important... getting the Users who support the Game and put bread on the table buying the client.. or the Server??? At this point althou the new released products look kinda of nice...and was considering checking them out, until I see a fix I will not waste any more money on this company to support them. Enough Said... I will just shut my mouth and forget I have a Problem with my OS. and hopefully next time I get this good of a screwing I atleast get kissed and respected in the morning... No need to respond... If this offended anyone... Sorry... Just totally venting... -Jim - Original Message - From: Shawn Zipay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Roll back on client I said major problems meaning the majority of Steam users. That is not the case. At last check there are some 30.5K users playing CS: Source alone right now. That is hardly the majority of CS: Source owners that are experiencing the problem you describe be it on X64 or 32bit OS's. Like I said, sorry for your problems, but to roll back an update that is working fine for a majority of users would not make any sense. As for the beta software comment it was an example used to illustrate a point. Jim wrote: Well Zipay, If you had read my message... which you have not.. it is NOT only X64 seeing the problem... how many users would you like to know??? I personally can count 81 People Having the problem on Win 32 XP Pro... So please before you continue... READ the whole Post... and do not stop at X64... Your assumption is incorrect Thank you... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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DlinkOZ, Good Question. Seeing how the updates were a series where the Server and Client both were update... I would have to say Steam.exe is the culprit. Which is drirectly related to the client.. I will leave it at that.. seeing how I recently said I was shutting my mouth and just going to eat the cost of the Software... and move on.. - Jim - Original Message - From: DLinkOZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Roll back on client Quick question, is this a client related FPS/lag issue being discussed? The recent -sport issue was absolutely relevant to this list, as it was a server related problem. It would be a lie to say I've followed this thread closely, so wanted clarification on which piece of the software this is affecting (server or client). - Original Message - From: Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Roll back on client Okay... so to end this whole problem... I guess I am wrong to Bitch, Moan and Groan, Because I have a Problem and a part of a small select group affected as well... Well excuse the Hell of me and all the little people for bringing this up and taken so much of your time... when the pupose of this forum is to post errors and problems to hopefully find a solution... Thanks for informing me that I was so wrongly confused... But seems funny really when -sports which affected a small group of people... was given alot of attention... When someone was having People Getting bumped on a single server was a big issue... And you talk about Oh Well guess you are screwed when it is those buying the client making the money for Steam... It is not the person who is hosting the game... seeing how you can download the server for free... So who is more important... getting the Users who support the Game and put bread on the table buying the client.. or the Server??? At this point althou the new released products look kinda of nice...and was considering checking them out, until I see a fix I will not waste any more money on this company to support them. Enough Said... I will just shut my mouth and forget I have a Problem with my OS. and hopefully next time I get this good of a screwing I atleast get kissed and respected in the morning... No need to respond... If this offended anyone... Sorry... Just totally venting... -Jim - Original Message - From: Shawn Zipay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Roll back on client I said major problems meaning the majority of Steam users. That is not the case. At last check there are some 30.5K users playing CS: Source alone right now. That is hardly the majority of CS: Source owners that are experiencing the problem you describe be it on X64 or 32bit OS's. Like I said, sorry for your problems, but to roll back an update that is working fine for a majority of users would not make any sense. As for the beta software comment it was an example used to illustrate a point. Jim wrote: Well Zipay, If you had read my message... which you have not.. it is NOT only X64 seeing the problem... how many users would you like to know??? I personally can count 81 People Having the problem on Win 32 XP Pro... So please before you continue... READ the whole Post... and do not stop at X64... Your assumption is incorrect Thank you... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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/sigh Why does this list have such a troll infestation Thanks, but I don't believe he was asking you. No its not UNSUPPORTED, Valve has said, several times, they are working on it. So there IS support there, at some level or another. So while we all appreciate you pointing out the obvious (they do not OFFICALLY support 64bit) I think he isnt really interested in what you have to say, unless you work for valve. Even then, since you can't read, that still wouldnt do us any good. Find something useful to add, or DONT ADD ANYTHING to the conversation. Good Day... -Smurf Message: 1 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 19:28:18 -0400 From: Shawn Zipay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Roll back on client Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Unsupported. All you need to know really. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Shawn Zipay: I dont understand how you don't realize you don't know wtf you are talking about. READ the mails that come over this list from valve, you'll soon find out what you are saying is dead wrong. Actually, I agree, a rollback on the updates is about a dumbass way to go about fixing this. Even for 32bit OSs, btw. Finally, and I hate to point out the obvious, but since you just don't seem to get it, here it goes The only way Valve is going to know if these updates screw up the 64bit servers (we're not talking about clients here), IS IF THEY POST ABOUT IT. So FFS, like I said, if you don't have something USEFUL to say, or in this case even understand the issue, don't comment on it. I could go on and explain myself, but really I've wasted enough time on this already. Just remember, BETA software doesn't get outta beta without TESTING and REPORTING of issues. -Smurf Message: 5 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 19:50:14 -0400 From: Shawn Zipay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Roll back on client Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Really I don't understand how you don't realize the fact that X64 just isn't a supported OS. To roll back an update that is working fine for a majority of the people is just asinine. Perhaps if the update caused major problems on 32bit OS's then there'd be cause for alarm. Why? Because Windows 32bit IS supported. X64 is not. Don't get upset when I'm only stating the facts of the matter. Listen, I'm sorry that the game doesn't work as you'd expect, but this is just like when people use beta software and then complain when it crashes or breaks other applications somehow. Completely unnecessary. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
