[homenet] homenet interim poll
Hi homenet, I've put together a poll to (try to) figure out a date/time for an interim. https://doodle.com/poll/pini9k5kpnwypsup?utm_source=poll_medium=link We'll try to get the date/time picked and call set up by end of this week. So remember: Vote early and often. Thx, Barbara ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
Re: [homenet] A poll, redux
Would the insight into existing deployments enable you to suggest the most likely required topologies wherre the benefits of babel would play off ? Cheers Toerless On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 07:28:06AM +0200, Dave Taht wrote: Back in February I had distributed a basic poll about what sorts of technologies were common in the home, and got back about 25 results from ietfers. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/homenet/current/msg04724.html Lest the complexity of those networks be written off as a geekisms, I also ran the same poll past everybody I met for the following month. It was astonishing how many had many wifi devices (tivos, ipods, iphones, androids, connected audio receivers of various sorts, telephones (notably republic wireless), home automation systems), extenders (both wifi and powerline), and how few, had ethernet except where wifi bugged them. Most did not know what ipv6 was. Most had systems that were obviously double-natted, also. -- Dave Täht worldwide bufferbloat report: http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/results/bufferbloat And: What will it take to vastly improve wifi for everyone? https://plus.google.com/u/0/explore/makewififast ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet -- --- Toerless Eckert, eck...@cisco.com ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
[homenet] A poll, redux
Back in February I had distributed a basic poll about what sorts of technologies were common in the home, and got back about 25 results from ietfers. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/homenet/current/msg04724.html Lest the complexity of those networks be written off as a geekisms, I also ran the same poll past everybody I met for the following month. It was astonishing how many had many wifi devices (tivos, ipods, iphones, androids, connected audio receivers of various sorts, telephones (notably republic wireless), home automation systems), extenders (both wifi and powerline), and how few, had ethernet except where wifi bugged them. Most did not know what ipv6 was. Most had systems that were obviously double-natted, also. -- Dave Täht worldwide bufferbloat report: http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/results/bufferbloat And: What will it take to vastly improve wifi for everyone? https://plus.google.com/u/0/explore/makewififast ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
Re: [homenet] A poll
Dave Taht wrote: The homenet working group has been laboring for several years now to find ways to make ipv6 more deployable to home (and presumably small business) users. In addition to multiple specification documents some code has been produced to try and make things easier. At least in the USA, comcast has rolled out IPv6 to everyone that can get dhcpv6 to sort of work on their router, and/or is willing to install a custom firmware on their router to get that, and of course tunneling ipv6 is possible if the ISP does not support it. So a quick poll: 0) Have you managed to get ipv6 working at all? If so, how? What sort of problems did you encounter? Been using IPv6 in production at home since around 2010. Main problems have been: The assumptions manufacturers have made about how the boxes will be plugged together and assuming they're the only router in the home. Hence Homenet. Several bugs in Apple airport and time capsule routers, blocking traffic incorrectly. Lack of Protocol41 forwarding support in a lot of equipment. Software updates killing 6to4 configured tunnel mode. Cisco EPC3925 that refused to go into bridge mode (probably by design of the ISP). Lack of fibre into the building means I'm stuck with the local cable provider, although there's net-neutral fibre in neighbouring streets supporting multiple native IPv6 providers. 1) Have you attempted to deploy a routing protocol in your home? Which one, and why? Yes. Static routing. Nothing else was supported in common, and I wanted a mail server on the outside in a DMZ and a private network on the inside. It took a lot of tweaking to find a topology that worked simultaneously with IPv4 and supported what I wanted to do in IPv6. 2) Have you attempted to get hnetd's prefix distribution system working? (it supports linux mainline and openwrt presently) Yes, but not tested too much yet as I've been moving a data centre. Just bought a stack of WDR4300's to test with. Also with the intention of looking at mesh networking. So hopefully I'll get around to it $day_job permitting. 3) Do you use ethernet? How many clients in your home are ethernet connected? Ethernet, powerline Ethernet, and wifi. 2 Raspberry Pi's 1 Linux server 2 iMacs 1 windows laptop bunch of music sequencers and synths 1 printer a couple of NAS boxes a few wireless routers guest devices Apple TV 2 iPads 1 playstation so probably ±10 hard wired. The rest wireless. 4) Do you use wifi? How many clients are wifi connected? Do you use range extenders? Yes I use wifi extensively. I used range extension (Apple Airport Extreme) for a while, but ended up running a cable. 5) How many devices do you think you will have connected to the network in your home in 5 years? How many now? 30? Audio Visual Bridging (AVB) could throw a spanner in the works of having seamless connectivity throughout the home. Hopefully someone will figure out a way of transmitting music/audio streams in a sample-coordinated manner at L3. 6) Do you use any other network connected technologies (homeplug, 802.14, LTE, etc). If so, which ones, and why? yes. Powerline IP to try to avoid running a cable. It wasn't too successful. 7) Do you use mdns service discovery? Unfortunately yes, and I wonder how this will scale over L3. UPnP too. 8) Why are you here? (especially, if your answers to 0-2, are no) Because if Homenet does solve the ISP multihoming problem, and possibly the wifi roaming problems at L3, it will also be used extensively in SME and SOHO set ups, and perhaps even in campus-size deployments. -- Regards, RayH ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
Re: [homenet] A poll
0) Have you managed to get ipv6 working at all? If so, how? What sort of problems did you encounter? Yes. I use DIR-855L at home, PPPoE. The only problem I have so far is my ISP gives only /64 via PD. 1) Have you attempted to deploy a routing protocol in your home? Which one, and why? No. 2) Have you attempted to get hnetd's prefix distribution system working? (it supports linux mainline and openwrt presently) Yes. 3) Do you use ethernet? How many clients in your home are ethernet connected? No, everything goes Wi-Fi. 4) Do you use wifi? How many clients are wifi connected? Do you use range extenders? Yes. I have around 12 devices connected to my Wi-Fi network. Yes, I use range extenders. Wi-Fi and HomePlug. 5) How many devices do you think you will have connected to the network in your home in 5 years? How many now? 10 more, I guess? Should be connected home devices, such as Thermostat, smart plug, sensors, IPCam, ...etc. 6) Do you use any other network connected technologies (homeplug, 802.14, LTE, etc). If so, which ones, and why? Yes. HomePlug/Wi-Fi Extender and Z-Wave. 7) Do you use mdns service discovery? Yes. We use mDNS-SD for D-Link Connected Home devices. 8) Why are you here? (especially, if your answers to 0-2, are no) ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
Re: [homenet] A poll
On 2/20/15 8:50 AM, Dave Taht wrote: The homenet working group has been laboring for several years now to find ways to make ipv6 more deployable to home (and presumably small business) users. In addition to multiple specification documents some code has been produced to try and make things easier. At least in the USA, comcast has rolled out IPv6 to everyone that can get dhcpv6 to sort of work on their router, and/or is willing to install a custom firmware on their router to get that, and of course tunneling ipv6 is possible if the ISP does not support it. So a quick poll: 0) Have you managed to get ipv6 working at all? If so, how? What sort of problems did you encounter? yes, comcast, docsis 3.0 modem (mot surboard), d-link dir-860L, cpe set to auto, did dhcpv6 +pd requested at /64. previously variants of the setup have have working v6 since 2011 with consumer gateways (mostly netgear). 1) Have you attempted to deploy a routing protocol in your home? Which one, and why? routed subnets, (e.g. dmz, internal) no igp 2) Have you attempted to get hnetd's prefix distribution system working? (it supports linux mainline and openwrt presently) 3) Do you use ethernet? How many clients in your home are ethernet connected? yes, about half a dozen 4) Do you use wifi? How many clients are wifi connected? Do you use range extenders? yes about a dozen 5) How many devices do you think you will have connected to the network in your home in 5 years? How many now? more 6) Do you use any other network connected technologies (homeplug, 802.14, LTE, etc). If so, which ones, and why? LTE cellular gateway for use when primary is down, failover is not automatic. perversely the LTE has v6 when directly attached to a client machine however not when operating as a gateway (no PD) 7) Do you use mdns service discovery? yes 8) Why are you here? (especially, if your answers to 0-2, are no) to share the love. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
Re: [homenet] A poll
On 21/02/2015 05:50, Dave Taht wrote: So a quick poll: Goodie, I love polls (not) ;-) 0) Have you managed to get ipv6 working at all? If so, how? What sort of problems did you encounter? Yes. (a) Using SixXs/ayiya. Geek problems (the SixXs geeky registration interface, and the fact that installation is definitely not for the general public). But it works very reliably for a single host. (b) With my current ISP, native dual stack service via a FritzBox. Worked out the box. Until it didn't, when the ISP admitted to switching IPv6 off without warning due to unspecified issues with some customers. Then they switched it on again without explanation, and it works fine again. [Probably, the issue was MTU size problems with a well-known CDN's nearest POP, which was across the Tasman Sea at the time; compounded by Google's recent bad hair week.] I've gone into detail there because for more than a year, my wife was using IPv6 without knowing it (on Windows 8). But when the above mentioned problems occurred, she noticed PDQ and did not have SixXs to fall back on. So we had to disable IPv6 on her machine. Happy Eyeballs did *not* conceal the problem. 1) Have you attempted to deploy a routing protocol in your home? Which one, and why? No, sorry, only one link here. 2) Have you attempted to get hnetd's prefix distribution system working? (it supports linux mainline and openwrt presently) No 3) Do you use ethernet? How many clients in your home are ethernet connected? Normally zero. I would plug in if I hit wireless issues. 4) Do you use wifi? How many clients are wifi connected? Two to four (house guests get free Wi-Fi ;-). My ancient printer refuses to break, so that is hard wired to a computer. Do you use range extenders? No 5) How many devices do you think you will have connected to the network in your home in 5 years? Let's guess 10. But the interesting questions are how many routers, and will it be dual-homed. How many now? 6) Do you use any other network connected technologies (homeplug, 802.14, LTE, etc). If so, which ones, and why? No. 7) Do you use mdns service discovery? No 8) Why are you here? (especially, if your answers to 0-2, are no) http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3935 Brian ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
Re: [homenet] A poll
On Feb 20, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: The homenet working group has been laboring for several years now to find ways to make ipv6 more deployable to home (and presumably small business) users. In addition to multiple specification documents some code has been produced to try and make things easier. At least in the USA, comcast has rolled out IPv6 to everyone that can get dhcpv6 to sort of work on their router, and/or is willing to install a custom firmware on their router to get that, and of course tunneling ipv6 is possible if the ISP does not support it. So a quick poll: 0) Have you managed to get ipv6 working at all? If so, how? What sort of problems did you encounter? Works fine at both my Cambridge home and my Mountain View Condo. In both cases I’m using Airport Extremes as the home router. In one case it’s a DOCSIS 3.0 modem from Comcast, with the Airports doing PD. In the other case it’s behind a pair of Ubiquity radios homed on a Linux router in turn connected to Comcast business service with PD. 1) Have you attempted to deploy a routing protocol in your home? Which one, and why? I run OSPF at home in Cambridge, mostly to route in a controlled way among some VLANs I use for isolation purposes. There are trunk VLANs running from the main switch to an access switch in my home office. 2) Have you attempted to get hnetd's prefix distribution system working? (it supports linux mainline and openwrt presently) No. The Airport Extreme IPv6 with PD has been adequate for my needs. 3) Do you use ethernet? How many clients in your home are ethernet connected? Yes. Total count excluding 802.11 clients is probably 10-12. 4 macs, a NAS, AppleTV, two Tivos, Sonos bridge, 2 printers. 4) Do you use wifi? Yes, extensively - In Cambrige to get coverage I have a WiFi AP in each of the 3 floors (Airport Extreme + 2 Airport express. How many clients are wifi connected? additional 5-7 Do you use range extenders? No, each of the AP’s is wired with Cat5 to a big Cisco Cat3600 switch/router. 5) How many devices do you think you will have connected to the network in your home in 5 years? How many now? In five years, probably at least 50, maybe more if I decide to use WiFi light bulbs and window/door sensors and other random stuff. 6) Do you use any other network connected technologies (homeplug, 802.14, LTE, etc). If so, which ones, and why? Not at present. All 802.11AC and N. 7) Do you use mdns service discovery? Yes, extensively. 8) Why are you here? (especially, if your answers to 0-2, are no”) Because bridging sucks, and IPv6 allows us to have aminimal-touch routing solution that “just works”. -- Dave Täht http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/Upcoming_Talks ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
Re: [homenet] A poll
0) Have you managed to get ipv6 working at all? If so, how? What sort of problems did you encounter? I originally had IPv6 service through a tunnel to SixXS, which was OK once I got the details sorted. I'm using a Linksy E4200 with development software from a project at Cisco that includes IPv6 support. Without any announcement to me, Comcast turned on IPv6 service to my house and AIBFM I had a second prefix, advertised from the Linksys home gateway. Interestingly, it did not disrupt my home service at all and I literally discovered the service was on as I was working on a project using IPv6 on the home network. Devices on the network were unexpectedly showing a second prefix, which I checked to confirm was coming through PD to the Linksys home gateway. I turned off the SixXS tunnel, and am now using just IPv6 service from Comcast. 1) Have you attempted to deploy a routing protocol in your home? Which one, and why? No. 2) Have you attempted to get hnetd's prefix distribution system working? (it supports linux mainline and openwrt presently) No. 3) Do you use ethernet? How many clients in your home are ethernet connected? Yes. ~7 devices; some through a homeplug extension 4) Do you use wifi? How many clients are wifi connected? Do you use range extenders? Yes. ~10 devices. I have 3 access points on ethernet back to the home gateway. 5) How many devices do you think you will have connected to the network in your home in 5 years? How many now? 30 devices in 5 years; maybe more if sensors and actuators are available. 15-20 now, depending on how many little devices are connected for projects. 6) Do you use any other network connected technologies (homeplug, 802.14, LTE, etc). If so, which ones, and why? homeplug, 802.15.4 (for projects; not production) 7) Do you use mdns service discovery? Extensively. 8) Why are you here? (especially, if your answers to 0-2, are no) I'm trying to figure out how we get to a network that provides the services I want, avoids performance issues and runs completely autonomously. ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
Re: [homenet] A poll
In message caa93jw7egxpbnx+5lqx+qtyfrxndxqpko1fecua2xh3bakg...@mail.gmail.com , Dave Taht writes: The homenet working group has been laboring for several years now to find ways to make ipv6 more deployable to home (and presumably small business) users. In addition to multiple specification documents some code has been produced to try and make things easier. At least in the USA, comcast has rolled out IPv6 to everyone that can get dhcpv6 to sort of work on their router, and/or is willing to install a custom firmware on their router to get that, and of course tunneling ipv6 is possible if the ISP does not support it. So a quick poll: 0) Have you managed to get ipv6 working at all? If so, how? What sort of problems did you encounter? HE tunnel to a FreeBSD base router. dhclient-exit-hooks are used to automatically reconfigure the tunnel on IPv4 renumber events. HE tunnel to a MacBookPro running 10.8.5. The kernel panic when suspending the MacBook with the tunnel enabled. 1) Have you attempted to deploy a routing protocol in your home? Which one, and why? no. 2) Have you attempted to get hnetd's prefix distribution system working? (it supports linux mainline and openwrt presently) no. 3) Do you use ethernet? How many clients in your home are ethernet connected? yes. 5 4) Do you use wifi? How many clients are wifi connected? Do you use range extenders? yes. 9 to over 30. This is bridged to the ethernet segment. no range extenders.` 5) How many devices do you think you will have connected to the network in your home in 5 years? How many now? 20+ 6) Do you use any other network connected technologies (homeplug, 802.14, LTE, etc). If so, which ones, and why? no 7) Do you use mdns service discovery? Some of the machine use it automaticall. 8) Why are you here? (especially, if your answers to 0-2, are no) -- Dave Tht http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/Upcoming_Talks ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: ma...@isc.org ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
[homenet] A poll
The homenet working group has been laboring for several years now to find ways to make ipv6 more deployable to home (and presumably small business) users. In addition to multiple specification documents some code has been produced to try and make things easier. At least in the USA, comcast has rolled out IPv6 to everyone that can get dhcpv6 to sort of work on their router, and/or is willing to install a custom firmware on their router to get that, and of course tunneling ipv6 is possible if the ISP does not support it. So a quick poll: 0) Have you managed to get ipv6 working at all? If so, how? What sort of problems did you encounter? 1) Have you attempted to deploy a routing protocol in your home? Which one, and why? 2) Have you attempted to get hnetd's prefix distribution system working? (it supports linux mainline and openwrt presently) 3) Do you use ethernet? How many clients in your home are ethernet connected? 4) Do you use wifi? How many clients are wifi connected? Do you use range extenders? 5) How many devices do you think you will have connected to the network in your home in 5 years? How many now? 6) Do you use any other network connected technologies (homeplug, 802.14, LTE, etc). If so, which ones, and why? 7) Do you use mdns service discovery? 8) Why are you here? (especially, if your answers to 0-2, are no) -- Dave Täht http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/Upcoming_Talks ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
Re: [homenet] A poll
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: The homenet working group has been laboring for several years now to find ways to make ipv6 more deployable to home (and presumably small business) users. In addition to multiple specification documents some code has been produced to try and make things easier. At least in the USA, comcast has rolled out IPv6 to everyone that can get dhcpv6 to sort of work on their router, and/or is willing to install a custom firmware on their router to get that, and of course tunneling ipv6 is possible if the ISP does not support it. So a quick poll: 0) Have you managed to get ipv6 working at all? If so, how? What sort of problems did you encounter? Yes. Both hurricane electric tunnel and Comcast native IPv6. Getting the HE tunnel configured properly is somewhat a pain, as the terminology on OpenWrt is slightly different than that used by HE. The native IPv6 from Comcast has been fine. 1) Have you attempted to deploy a routing protocol in your home? Which one, and why? Babel. Out of the box in CeroWrt. 2) Have you attempted to get hnetd's prefix distribution system working? (it supports linux mainline and openwrt presently) 3) Do you use ethernet? How many clients in your home are ethernet connected? Dunno exactly. Probably around 8-10 devices. 4) Do you use wifi? Yes. How many clients are wifi connected? maybe 8-10 devices. Do you use range extenders? No 5) How many devices do you think you will have connected to the network in your home in 5 years? 25. How many now? Maybe 16. 6) Do you use any other network connected technologies (homeplug, 802.14, LTE, etc). If so, which ones, and why? No. 7) Do you use mdns service discovery? Yes. 8) Why are you here? (especially, if your answers to 0-2, are no) -- Dave Täht http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/Upcoming_Talks ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
Re: [homenet] A poll
On 02/20/2015 08:50 AM, Dave Taht wrote: The homenet working group has been laboring for several years now to find ways to make ipv6 more deployable to home (and presumably small business) users. In addition to multiple specification documents some code has been produced to try and make things easier. At least in the USA, comcast has rolled out IPv6 to everyone that can get dhcpv6 to sort of work on their router, and/or is willing to install a custom firmware on their router to get that, and of course tunneling ipv6 is possible if the ISP does not support it. So a quick poll: 0) Have you managed to get ipv6 working at all? If so, how? What sort of problems did you encounter? Yes, he. Mostly trying to figure out how to get tunnel endpoints up. 1) Have you attempted to deploy a routing protocol in your home? Which one, and why? no. 2) Have you attempted to get hnetd's prefix distribution system working? (it supports linux mainline and openwrt presently) no. 3) Do you use ethernet? How many clients in your home are ethernet connected? ~ half dozen. 4) Do you use wifi? How many clients are wifi connected? Do you use range extenders? it's hard to keep track of, but 5-10. and I'm not sure what you'd consider the ethernet cable between my house and my friend's house with two AP's on each end to be. 5) How many devices do you think you will have connected to the network in your home in 5 years? How many now? i expect it will be way more than most of us fear/imagine. now: about 10. 6) Do you use any other network connected technologies (homeplug, 802.14, LTE, etc). If so, which ones, and why? Nope. LTE obviously for phones, but I don't think that's what you're asking. 7) Do you use mdns service discovery? Nope. 8) Why are you here? (especially, if your answers to 0-2, are no) Mostly interested in the naming problem, and the occasional insight as to how service discovery saved $MEGACORP from the dustbin of history. Mike ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
Re: [homenet] A poll
On 20.2.2015, at 18.50, Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: The homenet working group has been laboring for several years now to find ways to make ipv6 more deployable to home (and presumably small business) users. In addition to multiple specification documents some code has been produced to try and make things easier. At least in the USA, comcast has rolled out IPv6 to everyone that can get dhcpv6 to sort of work on their router, and/or is willing to install a custom firmware on their router to get that, and of course tunneling ipv6 is possible if the ISP does not support it. So a quick poll: 0) Have you managed to get ipv6 working at all? If so, how? What sort of problems did you encounter? Yes. Used to be he.net tunnel and now 6rd Sonera right up to my home (VDSL2). 1) Have you attempted to deploy a routing protocol in your home? Which one, and why? OSPFv3 at some point and nowadays Babel. Obvious reasons, homenet ;) 2) Have you attempted to get hnetd's prefix distribution system working? (it supports linux mainline and openwrt presently) Yes. 3) Do you use ethernet? How many clients in your home are ethernet connected? Dozen-ish. 4) Do you use wifi? How many clients are wifi connected? Do you use range extenders? Half dozen. No range extenders. 5) How many devices do you think you will have connected to the network in your home in 5 years? How many now? 20 now. Probably 30+ in 5y. 6) Do you use any other network connected technologies (homeplug, 802.14, LTE, etc). If so, which ones, and why? LTE. Fallback connectivity. 7) Do you use mdns service discovery? I used to. OS X 10.10 broke it on wlan pretty much. (ping foo.local = ‘foo who?’. ping foo.lan = ok.. sigh.) 8) Why are you here? (especially, if your answers to 0-2, are “no) I wonder about it at times. Bad habit? Cheers, -Markus ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
Re: [homenet] A poll
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015, Dave Taht wrote: 1) Have you attempted to deploy a routing protocol in your home? Which one, and why? Home, HE tunnel. 2) Have you attempted to get hnetd's prefix distribution system working? (it supports linux mainline and openwrt presently) Yes, I had this working, but since the routers I had available (WNDR3800) didn't perform forwarding quickly enough for my everyday needs, I didn't put them into production. 3) Do you use ethernet? How many clients in your home are ethernet connected? Well, since 802.11 is ethernet as well I will interpret this as how many devices in your home use cable, and say 9. 4) Do you use wifi? How many clients are wifi connected? Do you use range extenders? I have approximately 8-10 devices connecting using wifi, 6 of them more frequently than the others. I do not use wifi range extenders. 5) How many devices do you think you will have connected to the network in your home in 5 years? How many now? Good question, I'd say increase of 10 at least, I presume by then I will have some kind of smart home stuff such as sensors or alike. 6) Do you use any other network connected technologies (homeplug, 802.14, LTE, etc). If so, which ones, and why? Well, our mobile phones speak LTE, but apart from that it's the bluetooth usage that apples does without me having to know much about it. 7) Do you use mdns service discovery? No, I use single subnet. 8) Why are you here? (especially, if your answers to 0-2, are no) I want multi-subnet home to work for everyday users such as my mom. -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: swm...@swm.pp.se ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
Re: [homenet] A poll
Hi, On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 08:50:10AM -0800, Dave Taht wrote: So a quick poll: 0) Have you managed to get ipv6 working at all? If so, how? What sort of problems did you encounter? Yes, PPPoE/L2TP session to myself as ISP on the other end (so I cheated). 1) Have you attempted to deploy a routing protocol in your home? Which one, and why? Did some testing with HCNP/Babels, to see if it works. But the production network is plain flat L2 today. 2) Have you attempted to get hnetd's prefix distribution system working? (it supports linux mainline and openwrt presently) Yes, on OpenWRT. Worked. 3) Do you use ethernet? How many clients in your home are ethernet connected? Yes, ~10-ish. 4) Do you use wifi? How many clients are wifi connected? Do you use range extenders? Yes, ~3-5, no. 5) How many devices do you think you will have connected to the network in your home in 5 years? How many now? More - I see some sensors coming up, and maybe some of these thingies people call smart phones even if they are neither smart nor very good phones. 6) Do you use any other network connected technologies (homeplug, 802.14, LTE, etc). If so, which ones, and why? No. 7) Do you use mdns service discovery? Half of the devices are Apple built, so, yes. 8) Why are you here? (especially, if your answers to 0-2, are no) To complain about lack of useful source address selection (aka prefix labeling so users can make an informed choice), and frown about IETF committee behaviour. Or so. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
Re: [homenet] A poll
So a quick poll: 0) Have you managed to get ipv6 working at all? If so, how? What sort of problems did you Yes. Most foss router software sucked with v6. Tried to fix some things. Still not 100% convinced. 1) Have you attempted to deploy a routing protocol in your home? Which one, and why? Well babels autoisis but only for testing purposes. My production network is still single link. 2) Have you attempted to get hnetd's prefix distribution system working? (it supports linux mainline and openwrt presently) Yes 3) Do you use ethernet? How many clients in your home are ethernet connected? 3 to 4 4) Do you use wifi? How many clients are wifi connected? Do you use range extenders? Yes. 5 to 8. No. 5) How many devices do you think you will have connected to the network in your home in 5 years? How many now? I guess 50-100% increase. 6) Do you use any other network connected technologies (homeplug, 802.14, LTE, etc). If so, which ones, and why? Does bluetooth count? Otherwise 3.5g as connectivity backup. 7) Do you use mdns service discovery? Seldom. When setting up my printer. Seldomly the .local resolving.___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
Re: [homenet] A poll
I'd be a bit curious to know what people are using for test hardware. That's a big issue for me. I have a WNDR3800 as an internal router, and a Mac Mini as my edge router, and haven't had time to really try to make HNCP and Babel work with them. Making IPv6 prefix delegation work on a stock Ubuntu device is not seamless. :/ ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
Re: [homenet] A poll
Am 20. Februar 2015 21:01:50 MEZ, schrieb Ted Lemon mel...@fugue.com: I'd be a bit curious to know what people are using for test hardware. That's a big issue for me. I have a WNDR3800 as an internal router, and a Mac Mini as my edge router, and haven't had time to really try to make HNCP and Babel work with them. Making IPv6 prefix delegation work on a stock Ubuntu device is not seamless. :/ Buffalo wzr600dhp with some bleeding edge openwrt w/ hnetd (hncp + dhcpv6pd) etc. as primary router + small number of wndr3800 and / or tplinks for testing openwrt and hncp. ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
