Re: [HOT] Problem with HOT Export

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Hi John,

Thank you again for the heads up on the Export Tool.

I have passed it on to the folks who can do something about it :)

I or they (Brandon probably) will write you back directly if they need
any more info.

 A glitch shut down the server the HOT Export Tool was running on last
week, (maybe the week before), and since we restarted it, I think that
is when these issues cropped up. I think a configuration got a little
crunched or something along those lines. Very sorry for the issues.

Regards,
Blake

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 9:50 PM, John Gordon  wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have been running reports on Ethiopia using HOT export. For the last few
> days the system has been generating identical reports based on old data,
> despite several additions to the data. This applied to both the thematic and
> standard formats.  The HOT export seems to follow all the proper sequences
> in generating the reports.
>
> I have also run reports in Geofabrik which have correctly picked up the new
> data.
>
> Cheers
> John
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[HOT] Problem with HOT Export

[John Gordon]

Hi

I have been running reports on Ethiopia using HOT export. For the last 
few days the system has been generating identical reports based on old 
data, despite several additions to the data. This applied to both the 
thematic and standard formats.  The HOT export seems to follow all the 
proper sequences in generating the reports.


I have also run reports in Geofabrik which have correctly picked up the 
new data.


Cheers
John

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Re: [HOT] Chequerboard Pattern

[ralph.aytoun]

Hi kretzer, Russ, Eric, Harry,

I always find it encouraging that others are noting that areas have been mapped 
for humanitarian purposes. If it had not been mapped like this there would have 
been no mapping there at all (or very limited) and none of you would have been 
commenting about any of it.

My first reaction to this is to say A BIG THANK YOU TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO 
GAVE THEIR TIME TO HELP WITH THE TASKING MANAGER PROJECTS AND THE MAPPING THAT 
YOU ARE DOING IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.

I too would like to see OpenStreetMap mapped perfectly but, as any cartographer 
will tell you, you first have to get the basic infrastructure mapped before you 
can concentrate on the other details and unfortunately some projects do not get 
completed resulting in missing squares . or has been run through Mapswipe 
first and those squares are not needed by the teams on the ground who are, or 
will be, conducting the humanitarian intervention.

It does create work for us because we see those very obvious differences, but 
bear in mind that while it is very visual on the rendered OpenStreetMap and 
therefore worrying, mapping forests is not a high priority in basic 
infrastructure and I would rather see roads, rivers, communities and 
agriculture put on the map first and leave the rest of the detail to local 
mappers who are better placed to confirm that information. After all some of 
the imagery is between two to six years old and drought, logging and seasonal 
changes may have altered the landscape since then. 

If forestry is your area of interest or expertise then I for one welcome your 
efforts to add clarity to the map by checking through and fixing up the 
forestry. I would also welcome those who’s interest is in residential areas to 
take a look at improving some of those areas that have been previously mapped 
for humanitarian purposes as they too have some errors built in. 

And thank you for noting the errors and showing that level of concern for the 
accuracy of OpenStreetMap, I for one do appreciate that.

Please keep mapping, all of you.

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Re: [HOT] Chequerboard Pattern

[Mikel Maron]

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#715FFA solid !important;  padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white 
!important; }  It would be possible to run an osmlint analysis to identify 
square forests, to get an idea of the extent of the problem. then set up a task 
for fixing.


Mikel

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017, 4:57 PM, Harry Wood  wrote:

I certainly have noticed this. It drives me nuts to be honest.


I remember during the Nepal response mapping I did nothing but fixing up ugly 
square bits of forest. I think a few other people joined in with this too, 
because these days I can see we've mostly eliminated them across that massive 
area.
I don't know what the solution is really. I think the statutory instructions 
should be *Do not add square bits of forest*... but not sure if everyone would 
agree, and I guess people will do it anyway. Anyone have other ideas?


In the case you mentioned we have an old archived TM project at  
http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/816  . which did actually ask for forest data:


"Also of interest are "gallery forests" (forests that form corridors along 
rivers or wetlands and project into landscapes that are otherwise only sparsely 
treed), as these are prime tsetse fly habitat (natural=wood)."  

Particularly fiddly details to map, so it would take a lot of effort to finish 
it off and eliminate the chequerboard effect there. Seems messy that it's just 
left like that though.

Harry


From: Russell Deffner 
To: 'Kretzer' ; 'HOT Openstreetmap'  
Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017, 17:34
Subject: Re: [HOT] Chequerboard Pattern



Yes, the typical Tasking Manager projects (with squares vs. arbitrary task 
size) are not really good for doing large natural/landuse features like forest. 
Not sure what project(s) that is and if it's asking for that, more likely and I 
often see mappers adding features that are not requested in the project. It can 
make a tough time stitching all those forest bits together although in this 
case it doesn't look too bad, yet.
=Russ

-Original Message-
From: Kretzer [mailto:kret...@gmx.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:11 AM
To: HOT Openstreetmap
Subject: [HOT] Chequerboard Pattern

Hi,
have you noticed how the use of the Task Manager sometimes produces nice 
patterns like here:  http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=9/5.5244/25.1862 ?

You can see that at least some users are very diciplined in staying inside the 
box :-)

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