Re: [HOT] Inflationary use of the mailinglist
Thanks for your reply, and thanks to Blake too! maybe I am just not able to use a mailinglist correctly. No doubt mapswipe is an interesting tool and is related to HOT. But in my opinion only urgend topics should go into a mailinglist. Don't get me wrong: During the Nepal quake there were 20-30 mails a day for more than a week. I'm absolutely fine with that. That was mostly important, interesting and urgend stuff. Ignoring is a good thing until your phone or mailapplication on the computer keeps telling you about new emails. Constantly. @Blake: Maybe I will join the announcement list and just subscribe to this list when getting involved in desastermapping.. Thanks! Julian Am 26.03.2017 um 18:36 schrieb Jo: Your message really surprises me. MapSwipe is an app that was created by MSF, to help save HOT's mappers time, so they can focus on mapping. I think that's an interesting discussion thread. Not sure about the others, but the way to read mailing lists is to look at the topics that interest you and ignore the rest. Polyglot 2017-03-26 18:26 GMT+02:00 Julian Haag <o...@juhaag.de <mailto:o...@juhaag.de>>: Hello everyone, I am interested in information regarding HOT activations, the talk about real HOT problems and some news regarding HOT, so I joined this list about a year ago during the earthquake in Nepal. Currently I found myself deleting nearly 98% of the messages of this list even without reading it. It's just crazy getting dozends of emails a day on topics having nearly no intersection with HOT at all! e.g. "Bounding box not in iD Editor anymore" or currently "Mapswipe - whats happening with the data?". There are boards, where, in my optinion, general discussions should take place but not on a mailinglist. A mailinglist, thats the place where really urgend stuff should be discussed. Is there a HOT mailinglist that just focuses on important stuff? with annoyed greetings Julian ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org <mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot> ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Inflationary use of the mailinglist
Hello everyone, I am interested in information regarding HOT activations, the talk about real HOT problems and some news regarding HOT, so I joined this list about a year ago during the earthquake in Nepal. Currently I found myself deleting nearly 98% of the messages of this list even without reading it. It's just crazy getting dozends of emails a day on topics having nearly no intersection with HOT at all! e.g. "Bounding box not in iD Editor anymore" or currently "Mapswipe - whats happening with the data?". There are boards, where, in my optinion, general discussions should take place but not on a mailinglist. A mailinglist, thats the place where really urgend stuff should be discussed. Is there a HOT mailinglist that just focuses on important stuff? with annoyed greetings Julian ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Kaliganadaki Landslides - Mapping Tasks
Hi, I have encountered a potential huge problem and need urgend help with that.. I added lots of highways and other things north of Baglung. https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/28.27605/83.59624 These roads got rendered and are showing on the map right now. But I am missing many of these ways and the river is also gone! I couldn't figure out if I am the cause of this as my changesets in this area contains 500-1500 new nodes or what is happening, but I need help! The data cannot be downloaded at the moment so I think lots of Nodes got deleted. Thanks Julian Am 24.05.2015 um 08:40 schrieb Nirab Pudasaini: Hi all, Due to the rain yesterday there was a massive landslide that swept away an entire Village in Myagdi district. This landslide has created an artificial dam which is already risen to 150 meters and is already 1 km long. A village upstream have been completely submerged. There is a huge risk that this dam might burst as we are still having heavy rain and also the aftershocks of the earthquake. I have created four tasks in the tasking manager and have defined priority areas along the river. Here are the tasks http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1070 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1071 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1072 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1073 Thank you all for helping out. Regards Nirab ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, having very limited time at the moment, I wasn't able to map the last days. I have been active in Nepal since the end of 2014 and I had the time to learn reading the Imagery regarding roads. Sometimes you have to map from both sides until it becomes clear, how this track is going. But I have a quite different perspective than some experienced mappers. Its not a problem, if 2,3 or 10 buildings are marked as landuse=residential. Its not important if buildings are squared or not. Its not important, if these buildings are off by 50m or even a bit more. Its absolutely not important, if 3 single buildings are drawn as one big. And its not important, if this is a track, a road, unclassified or residental street. No, I'm not a retard and not a troll. But I feel some slightly lost the focus on our goal! Our goal is to help rescue and relief organisations! Search and Rescue from debris is important a few days from the incident. NOW our goal is to provide a map for logistics only! People struggle for food and clean water as well as shelter. So it is important, that these organisations know that there is a building, there are spontaneous camps, there are major damages in this village. Is absolutely doesn't matter if the shapes are correct. So, please, let us finish with our work before cleaning up. The cleanup from this desaster need several years - both, in nepal as well as in OSM. Yes, I complained a lot about new contributors also, but despite of invalidating tiles that are not perfect, I corrected important things and validated them tough - not a perfect workflow, but it's an encouraging one! So, stay healthy! Julian Am 09.05.2015 um 18:08 schrieb john whelan: Pierre says it best but my thoughts follow. To me the unsquared buildings are not a major issue in Nepal. Within a tile a JOSM user can select buildings, then select an unsquared one remember the user select buildings once more then square all the buildings for that user in one keystroke. As a beginner I suggest you don't correct odd areas, let someone else do the dirty deed, it saves having upset users and sometimes its just a matter of someone forgetting to tag it and often an experienced mapper can glance at it and give it a tag. Paths and tracks unless its very clear I stay away from these in Nepal and I'm fairly experienced. There are a number of terraces, the land can be quite steep so even though two ends of a path may look close together reality is its a long drop between the two. For the moment I'd just add buildings, if you can manage to use JOSM and the building_tool plugin, you'll need the remote control plugin as well you'll find it's very easy to use and produces squared buildings correctly tagged and we have a lot of buildings to add. Cheerio John On 9 May 2015 at 11:12, Barbara Figge bfi...@web.de mailto:bfi...@web.de wrote: Hi to everyone, I am one of the beginners of the last weeks, since last friday I mapped - mostly buildings (and mostly unsquared, I am one of them, too), tried some paths. I try to read the mailing list notes in between, I started with the mapgive things before first mapping, I read the instructions before starting, I did not validate and though these mistakes happened. But I am learning a lot. Currently I am a little irritated about all the mistakes one can make and so I made up my mind not to stop mapping, but to stay on the safe side of the street: mapping buildings, and after I noticed the importance of buildings being squared, squaring my and the buildings of others. Now there are some questions left: in the tile I worked in there are some areas without description (and no bulding or something else to see)- shall I delete them or do they have a special reason I overread in the mailing list conversation? There are a lot of mapped buildings, where the symbol is some meters away from the building. Shall I correct or is it okay? And: is there a possibility to go back to a tile I worked on by searching the number or must I search inside the map? Best wishes and: as far as I can see from my small desk, a lot of people are doing great work! Barbara barbaraulrike in osm *Gesendet:* Samstag, 09. Mai 2015 um 15:11 Uhr *Von:* "john whelan" jwhelan0...@gmail.com mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com *An:* "Pierre Béland" pierz...@yahoo.fr
Re: [HOT] Should Newbies (Me) keep mapping houses and easy features?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, "It works for awhile and then automatically starts making rectangles with only two clicks. And not in the right directions." Ensure you don't have selected anything. Otherwise it will snap in some angle of the selected object. Julian Am 06.05.2015 um 00:32 schrieb laura brittain: Thank you Steve, And another question for anyone: Does anyone know how to make the JOSM building tools plug-in behave? It works for awhile and then automatically starts making rectangles with only two clicks. And not in the right directions. I can't find any trouble shooting online for this plug in, even after reading the wiki for it. Also, the full tags mentioned by everyone aren't presets in JOSM or ID editor, are they? Do you enter them manually? Is there a way to script this in the online editor? Charlotte tried to help me but it's over my head. I'm mainly using ID editor. Thanks a lot. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVSUdqAAoJEMUCiYazPkhKs3IP/2RLPlBFZutZS19125hVpgHR JYlfgUEqq8Yl31ZXv7rOuiSNzi7fFQo9CN4n9bpwm21roRL5cdgX9okEj/XlzR8P jztpjx+MRBIpfWi5M7zLZ67frr9S1GxhC8FfaPnPuJF3WZUcC9g0p32TVsNHNbON Kkn+eOoUvg4VQPcATERnGZn8RsToFSs6BsxjPbtXOeAOJn3duegzvkTWjsEmK2ey 6L4kJkz7XTmfeabKJjD3lbJ3u2UJLPmDQ9aS+n3z7GlxYHrAi9INdCj6KYJiI00c k+Ntt50517zSh5XRcSMbQZaW/R1f9TXHc5NzFZADIuljRHPHSWUNHxz0RR8THrmr lyHs7XldiZ3FTDomjmhpt1BmEuTuJkubDY6BYDBehiUtXxQuTRrcu7EItK8cgGmU yQV4BQoUoNmP7+6kpq2Q9QEDgiJQzEyXG5dFKpP8keqPXOVvr8Yz3SWUmdD72HOy tJTNTCASQLrqYXqDItc1p+SP+IpGTZ9iJrqguRYabGFWqk1WMlpOUkvhPKVQVqNj hZalgRd/GUqOuTPM3qFBRzLA6eCO72/LGJVymqclf/4ZKnp+HxDmtHCusEIINSy4 qxgOnS6/vrGI+SZV4G2vJ+e71Amy/GfIYOeCtN1owxW+vBDVmt41XzUCIHEJaE6G Dvo9EaSd6PBrXsDb/Heu =9snj -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal data validation: overpass script to identify the recent mappers?
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Hi,
there is a . athe the ent of the URL. This is the correct one:
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmcountry.php?c=Nepal
ngt
Am 04.05.2015 um 14:54 schrieb Pierre Béland:
Thanks Pascal Neis for this
again. This includes a RSS feed. No user listed yet on my screen.
Pierre
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*À :* Kusala9 kusa...@googlemail.com
*Cc :* "hot@openstreetmap.org" hot@openstreetmap.org
*Envoyé le :* Lundi 4 mai 2015 8h41
*Objet :* Re: [HOT] Nepal data validation: overpass script to
identify the recent mappers?
This page shows Newest Active OpenStreetMap Contributors for
Nepal http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmcountry.php?c=Nepal.
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Kusala9
kusa...@googlemail.com
mailto:kusa...@googlemail.com wrote:
I'm new to overpass but there s a nice python wrapper
which will make user counts and geometry calculations easier. I
can look at this tonight and will report back. Jon
58683-23001#47
On 4 May 2015, at 02:45, Severin Menard
severin.men...@gmail.com
mailto:severin.men...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Is there a overpass skilled person to write the
script that can identify mappers with limited experience (recent
mapper ID or number of contributions less than let us say 5,000)
over Nepal, so that we can check their contributions and give
advice about how to improve them.
Another hero would be the person able to include a
detection of non squared buildings within the Validator steps.
Sincerely,
Severin
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Re: [HOT] #1024 landuse=brownfield + landuse=residential
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I think it might do some massive damage when you change landuse=residential to brownfield. First, it is crucial to know where a residential are WAS. Also a brownfield in most cases doesn't equals to a residential area! There are damaged buildings but no tents showing nearby. We have to keep the residential area info for the tasks rescue teams will need now and in several WEEKS! when damaged buildings are not the greatest Problem anymore... For now, everybody who needs a brownfield can highlight it. Anybody needing residential areas can also use our data. greetings from germany Julian Am 02.05.2015 um 00:55 schrieb S Volk: Hi, please, one question: I'm tracing a "landuse=brownfield" poligon for recently disappeared homes (comparing DigitalGlobe 2015-04-29 with both Bing and MapGive / HIU april 2015 images, ) over a place where there was already a "landuse=residential" poligon (probably will be a common case). I ask: is it ok, doesn't it happen any kind of conflict for a "landuse" over another "landuse", like conflict in rendering brownfield over residential, or any kind of conflict for identification? // Also, no sign of tents in the neigborhood of these demolished buildings, confirming reports that rescue haven't arrived yet to many distant place. // Thanks - Sérgio (user:SergioAJV) ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVRRl6AAoJEMUCiYazPkhKEZEP/3SjOsVh47enx/S5F4AAbkAZ vKBxGGwdjMMlZJ/S1lpG886/rQC1/9RRobavxHMgXi0zjBxwHsQAuxQwzKIPNc6Z AN1C4cS53swedBb9FHqd0zuX6mGA+jDad0GAoVYuVqDbSN4sOMpt0KUuD6Yf3Im/ CsSLZ+euoi3UB7fDgaoLUhBIb4zY4DEZ7N8X14NavjWm18/7aytQaHrD5VroMMlY oaDQ6brsjSIW6Mt+rbGplfK+NSJP7KSZV2W3fL9T9k5QdXSiJU3wIueWMC7hAboM 1VhOVxIOUXM+X2iVIqij70ZQzZhfpQXABj/5IJgzF66co8pThoje0czVt14xNVQy z9ZoNQ/4+eNBFQ4GBazWtGnHFHE6ILtRpVDBxQdrSFvd+PG0sywLtAI8MG0v4SRp ME21pOsgarnl1GXSJXiCEgP5tLiUooaxSvCiKo5RR0UGq3thcfl/1QSI+7mhdKNg 2I71P3zBoePK4Qijzf9+OLve6EzQrAuYPHRvsZsbVS/SSBqCnyb6HTLh+4ReqLCu ADuqCgFCs+mFcF5lKO73SvQ2b97HeKA46cA6puYhL0IeAyrWkFI8eglISJiaYFzF siBEtiB0e0wsNlHxC/Q84HS5/mzxfHl4GbR0unHcVgbEud3y1P8oMErzEyhaCqyr uSygF+1RQtVtojU+w5Xp =9jA+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] limit validation to experienced users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I had an argument with him too via PM and I kinda ticked a bit.. Felt a bit strange getting a lesson from someone mapping for 3 months and adding all in all 9000 nodes and having added about 100.000 in Nepal this year myself. Invalidating tasks completed by maning added some flavour to that one too.. :D He wants all buildings to be mapped. Even those in landuse=residential. It feels like a waste of time, but the instructions are a bit ambiguous so technically he is not wrong! I can understand, that completing and validating a task should be the point in wich everything needed is mapped - #1018 is marked as STEP 2. So we are adding more details.. I am not sure what to do, but I pointed out to him, that his attitude might discourage some mappers (as it did to me at first (only a bit :D)). greetings from germany ngt P.S. at the moment I try to watch the activities and (re-)validate especially the ones done by beginners. In the comments there has to be a kind and more exhausting text on what to do, point out learnosm and be particular, what should be done different or be better. Try to avoid saying what is bad ;) Am 30.04.2015 um 16:51 schrieb Kretzer: Makes sense to me ... In task #1018 there seems to be a user with little experience and lots of confidence invalidating dozens of tiles, arguing that every individual structure needs to be traced. The person even entered in a kind if edit war with maning. I really feel this is a waste of precious time. In this tasks there are very specific instructions on how to validate (which is a very good idea!). They do clearly say that the major highways need to be there, not all the highways. I guess the goal is to get the relevant structures as quickly as possible. That kind of nitpicking seems to be just slowing the job. Gesendet mit der GMX iPhone AppIFFK Am 30.04.15 um 15:49 schrieb Pierre GIRAUD Hi all, I wasn't able to read all the email I got for the last 3 days, and there's a ton of those. However, I've seen a lot of people complaining about beginner mappers validating tasks even if they're not experienced enough to do so. Before we find a way to avoid this with additions to the tasking manager, I think there may be a workaround. What about making the (100% done) projects in a private mode temporarily and give access to a limited list of users so that they can validate the done tasks. This could be used for this project for example: http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1008 This would prevent beginners to come to this project, wonder what to do and then validate tasks even if they don't know what they're doing. My 2 cents. Pierre -- - | Pierre GIRAUD - ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVQ6WqAAoJEMUCiYazPkhKgBcP/09YmyKW4fzupreyDvd7rp36 TZkG0G6gPPL3Wu+GmOpb+xznT04Mz4oBUAJDt6JvxlxK8y0QrcUdl1BY9xSzPK8N +DGZ8R6boogYNqcifhxpaBF7estqMq7PnfJxzppVwEygX0RxABSrolwm4ZXr7giK lbq1k3EczfEhXrvULTUNfT06fqnDksn62ga/SwYZGen0oMCsgrrQA7H6u8F5hMx2 yS73keCnxdZ9nbJlxOT4wPHK3DuAs7QWgsiBGAOQEu8ytA9gkAe4LRqJIpQWxVdR WAb9BfaQk1FQ393GvHfGP3K+fI25MfT5B0aLxAOQYDREUNjzbKlnxudTK++p5V3R sIpVCKpiP4jDhOPkMXPbSMETkBw55BXC913C2kvEq54RXgQMw7C+EbvIlxKeDJ2O frOIngIyT+eqNMUnQOe/Tuvn9h3R5Gcx/3qBIeZLI8vwslbIpDs9a2XKsbutp/xk tcsjpqEhyhmY0Fw81VM+H29PeemUzo1IHArYY2eyb4lBhWy8gw3qnvsTSvp9JSu1 I1fQLN0MQLihh3wC8A4uWKcRTRPf8MSmv72mQjg52gSE2HqAvmB0r3fQLaku5ZX4 KQE8PtKM5BEITd5Xw12yFQa27kwqL0pXqrDjiRzVRIBehp2Gq/1L7xia88Yi1A1B Rt+l7Mncu3UBWIjNRHtN =4rz2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Pierre, do we have pre-quake-images? Its nearly impossible to distinguish between houses, tents and damages.. Am 01.05.2015 um 19:05 schrieb Pierre Béland: Yes the area near Trisuli Bazar is cloudy. But gladly, we finally have some imagery after 7 days to help people in remote areas. regard Pierre - *De :* Chia-liang Kao cl...@clkao.org *À :* Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr; HOT Openstreetmap hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 1 mai 2015 12h56 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas Seems working now, but It seems the SE part (past Trisuli Bazar) of the task is still without the latest imagery. clkao Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr 於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:53寫道： Sorry, I corrected Hi have modified the task in the instructions you will find link for ID and JOSM regard Pierre - *De :* Chia-liang Kao cl...@clkao.org mailto:cl...@clkao.org *À :* Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr; HOT Openstreetmap hot@openstreetmap.org mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 1 mai 2015 12h30 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas Hi Pierre, (and woot!) I don't see the tiles in iD even after accepting the imagery license. Here's one of the tiles failed to load (404) is at: http://mw1.gstatic.com/crisisresponse/firstlook/2015/firstlook_PO_054334261010_01_2015_04_29_maptiles/48303_27494_16.png Best, clkao Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr 於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:21寫道： Good news! After 7 days of waiting due to bad weather conditions, we received today various images from DigitalGlobe and CNES/Astrium. In tthese difficult conditions, all the imagery providers and UNOSAT are coordinating to provide images. This was possible today! Thanks to all for your continous efforts. Nirab Pudasaini from Kathmandu Living Labs is working with me to define a serie of jobs to respond quiclky to this emergency. These people did not have any relief over the last week with bad weather and roads lanslides. See Job http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1024 regard Pierre ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVQ7RxAAoJEMUCiYazPkhKd6oP/01c7HCF+lcDkdn5A3eYfXn9 yABBhvifK6HRAImWr0TWR1Lb9Ca3Q1wg+rrr7Z9xal/UdAHpQKfZeaq5tKW7rbGW FFc9hXHwLcZWDKmEgqhWwAy2vwQkZULUoNWN7kyDae6J2hAU8wAcOb1oMicgkKTi +n1tq+CvAGehivMor8XGlyzyeOpjQDSL4UTxeDexwVWTbzTvHwolNN1a7hvitq5p osJx2Vrgwg0CGp2i47M1m/gvZid9uUn4e+AY+bTbKaPaY7shcy+JULRyBzhfKv13 +zQkg3c2jOSzvVZJQyR06soYBGJxzuD0WnBGBrwp4OuIC3gjrjrLKh9rMqh+8kjW jHwo4uBfkpybtMDusGQGwZCXQS4OzMQR2L87gD9OeO1MDnoU84TjvcsHLtezp305 E5oHDl4j8ROuGyjKbOwVa1/0CnNDFk/XHnbDXxUr8X6uwLkBq+ZoD+1E7KxTv/4U 2/1y0aPO7iDV8KzHH9SMQOfb9roubYpRdfxdKO0q0cN/WbMEb24Jq9f+oAilhxFf y5yq2+oOl3Jt9y493IEPD9M64q+muu67RPtqjR5bPm+zpRNs4XqldateaynPLiFC x50TW8bO4Hs3rnZLenw62CbEJQe1jzWhFWgu4QKjz7J03lNiLO35lEQxJEyo1BdC 1UJO61Zu0CG656D5p1H2 =xoBU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
