Re: [HOT] New tag - Mapping Refugee Sites

[Warin]

The minimum an RFC is required to be open is 2 weeks.

Same with voting.

On 11/4/20 1:57 am, Manon Viou wrote:

Hello all,
We have modified the proposed features/Refugee Site Location 2 
 according 
to discussions regarding how to best tag places sheltering refugee 
and/or internally displace persons. Thank you to the contributors who 
help finding a solution to have a consistent tagging in place for 
refugee location.

We are now suggesting to use the tag *amenity=refugee_site *
The tag can be used alternatively on nodes or on areas:

  * If the extent of the site is difficult to identify (proximity to
other villages, suburban area, etc.) it is recommended to use a node.
  * If the extent of the site can be clearly identified from the
imagery or field data collection, it is recommended to use an
area. Please note this extent does not have to match the official
boundary of a camp (which doesn’t necessarily coincide to its
physical limitations), as defined by government and specialized
agencies, for which a dedicated tag can be used.

Both approaches can be completed by mapping the landuse=residential of 
the area and if appropriate a tag place (place=neighbourhood, 
place=suburb, place=village) can be added in the area of the refugee 
site.
Please have a look at this new proposal and share your comments 
quickly if you have any. *We will close RFC period soon*.

Best regards,
Manon

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Re: [HOT] Keen to host a virtual mapathon?

[Warin]

On 20/3/20 4:08 pm, Jess Beutler wrote:

Hello,

I believe there is a misunderstanding of the request being made. As 
many individuals are stuck at home, there are people and organizations 
requesting *virtual* mapathons so that those at home can keep busy and 
socialize online while also supporting a good cause.


And the purpose is not necessarily to map resources related to the 
COVID-19 response, but one of the several active tasks available. We 
are all rather consumed by the COVID response at the moment but there 
are still disasters and issues around the world that require our support.


I hope that helps clarify the message!

Happy Mapping,
Jess



Thanks Jess.



On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 5:51 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com 
<mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> wrote:


On 20/3/20 6:26 am, Rebecca Firth wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> We've had a lot of requests from organisations (universities,
company
> volunteers) and individuals looking to host virtual mapathons in
light
> of Covid-19, and we're wondering if anyone on this list might be
keen
> to help them out? It should be reasonably simple; dial into the
> mapathon, give an introduction to why maps are needed, and a
> demonstration of mapping in iD, then stick around to answer any
> questions mappers might have. If you're interested to help out,
send
> me a note :)
>

In what way would mapping in OSM help with the COVID?


In my country you phone and get assessed, if required you get
directed
to a testing station. The testing station is temporary and may move
rapidly. Testing stations do not want to attract those who have
not been
through the assessment procedure, so they don not want to be mapped.

No point in mapping pharmacies/chemists as there is no anti virus.

Mapping hospitals and Doctors? They don't want people showing up who
think they may have COVID without prior phone contact. See the above
about testing stations.


Now what are you going to map to aid COVID???  Having a 'mapathon'
were
people are in close proximity to one another may certain aid the
propagation of COVID rather than hinder it.


Please list what you are thinking of adding to the map ...

And think about unnecessary personal contact. Social distancing
should
be the first consideration for COVID.



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Re: [HOT] Keen to host a virtual mapathon?

[Warin]

On 20/3/20 6:26 am, Rebecca Firth wrote:

Hi everyone,

We've had a lot of requests from organisations (universities, company 
volunteers) and individuals looking to host virtual mapathons in light 
of Covid-19, and we're wondering if anyone on this list might be keen 
to help them out? It should be reasonably simple; dial into the 
mapathon, give an introduction to why maps are needed, and a 
demonstration of mapping in iD, then stick around to answer any 
questions mappers might have. If you're interested to help out, send 
me a note :)




In what way would mapping in OSM help with the COVID?


In my country you phone and get assessed, if required you get directed 
to a testing station. The testing station is temporary and may move 
rapidly. Testing stations do not want to attract those who have not been 
through the assessment procedure, so they don not want to be mapped.


No point in mapping pharmacies/chemists as there is no anti virus.

Mapping hospitals and Doctors? They don't want people showing up who 
think they may have COVID without prior phone contact. See the above 
about testing stations.



Now what are you going to map to aid COVID???  Having a 'mapathon' were 
people are in close proximity to one another may certain aid the 
propagation of COVID rather than hinder it.



Please list what you are thinking of adding to the map ...

And think about unnecessary personal contact. Social distancing should 
be the first consideration for COVID.




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[HOT] damage as a tag - not docu,

[Warin]

Hi.

It looks like HOT is using the tag 'damage' for something. It is not 
documented as to what it means. Further is this information kept current 
or just added and forgotten? In at least one case the tag goes back to 
2011.



When will HOT start to document what tags they are using, and what they 
are used for on the OSM wiki? This is not good behavior for HOT in OSM.



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Re: [HOT] Open Defecation Area proposal

[Warin]

vely instead of abstractly.
Mapping it is a good step to seeing how big the problem is. Campaigns 
like "Put your poo in the loo" go some ways to helping. Mapping the loos 
(amenity=toilet) aids finding the nearest loo.


- Apologies for the Addendum -
--
Cheers,
Nikhil VJ, Pune, India
https://nikhilvj.co.in


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To: hot@openstreetmap.org <mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org>
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Bcc:
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 10:49:11 +1000
Subject: Re: [HOT] Open Defecation Area proposal
I have raise this on the OSM tagging list. I have summarised the
responses below.

On 08/09/19 21:04, Bob Kerr via HOT wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It has been a very long time since I have posted to the mailing
list.
> So please bear with me if I have landed in the wrong place.
>
> I was recently at a WASH conference (Water,Sanitation,hygiene). We
> were discussing Open Defecation, people going to the toilet in the
> open, specially in dense urban areas. Open defecation areas ODA are
> use by about 850 million people. If they each use 10 different
areas a
> year then that is 8.5 billion areas.
This logic appears flawed.
Does each person have their own individual ODA? In a dense urban
environment I would expect there to be a lack of space for this.
However,if there are individual ODAs, are they to be mapped as a
collective rather than each individual one?

Past ODAs would need to remain mapped .. but not as ODAs as that
implies
present use.
Not certain what to use here but the OSM life cycle tags may be of
use.
'abandoned:open_defecation_area=yes' may be appropriate.
And it would be of use to add the tag 'end_date=*' to signify the
date
of last use.

The above would reduce the number of areas to be mapped.
>
> The only way that this problem can start to be addressed is if
we have
> a map of the areas. A paper map made by MapOSmatic with theses
areas
> marked would be an excellent inspiration for local communities
to deal
> with the problem and would act as competition between local
towns and
> cities to be the cleanest
>
> I have checked with taginfo and there are a few examples on
defecation
> but nothing officially proposed.

Taginfo indicates 53 uses of 'watsan:open_defecation_area=yes', no
wiki.
Most use in Africa. just east nor east of Nairobi.

>
> My questions are. Do you think there would be support for this
on the
> humanitarian tile map render and who should I talk to about
adding it
> to the humanitarian style sheet if the proposal is accepted.

The 'watsan' appears to be irrelevant information. Possibly a
source? Or
an operator?
In any case the tag would be better as 'open_defecation_area=yes'. If
required other information can be added as subtags, such as a
comment, a
note etc.

>
> I believe I could get a lot of enthusiasm from WASH communities,
they
> would also become enthusiastic mappers because their first ever map
> was the broad street pump
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1854_Broad_Street_cholera_outbreak
>
> Where they used a map to stop cholera
>
> The proposal would be simple node and area with picture of a person
> squatting. I would appreciate guidance as  I  create this.
>
> Many thanks for your time
>
> Bob







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Bcc:
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 10:32:30 +0100
Subject: Re: [HOT] Open Defecation Area proposal
Thank you for posting to the tagging list, I have now joined that
list too

To clarify Open Defecation Areas ODA are usually piles of rubbish

Re: [HOT] Open Defecation Area proposal

[Warin]

On 10/09/19 19:32, Bob Kerr via HOT wrote:

Thank you for posting to the tagging list, I have now joined that list too

To clarify Open Defecation Areas ODA are usually piles of rubbish in 
unused spaces, they can be very large like a rubbish pit or small like 
an abandoned doorway. They regularly get cleared but start up again. 
Women are particularly vulnerable and sometimes use plastic bags to go 
in then throw the bags in an ODA. ODAs are an indication that a proper 
dry toilet is needed.


So, like a rubbish transfer station?

Wikipedia suggests "defecating outside (in the open environment) rather 
than into a toilet. People may choose fields, bushes, forests, ditches, 
streets, canals or other open space for defecation"


What I picture for the words "Open Defecation Area" is a farmers field 
being used by the farmers family to defecate in. That I am aware of.



I am not aware of ODAs in urban situations. If the two are different 
then possibly they should have two different tags?


The farmers field has no transfer, where as the urban one does?

DTA- Defecation Transfer Area??? These probably would not be moved as 
frequently - similar to a rubbish bin?


If they move frequently or are difficult to map due to a tenancy to hide 
them perhaps the area could be tagged as 
'sanitation=defecation_transfer_area', compared to say

'sanitation=sewer', 'sanitation=septic_tank' or 'sanitation=night_soil' etc.





A map would allow local communities to understand the problem in their 
area. The inspiration from the 1854 broad street pump


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1854_Broad_Street_cholera_outbreak

Is one of mappings greatest successes.

WatSan probably stands for Water/Sanitation


I think that is redundant information then. The word 'defecation' 
implies sanitation.




I also stated 850 million practice Open Defication in 10 different 
locations, but that was my guesstimate.


I hope we can do this I think it will have a strong impact.

Read details of ODA from unicef

https://www.unicef.org/wash/files/UNICEF_Game_plan_to_end_open_defecation_2018.pdf




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Re: [HOT] Open Defecation Area proposal

[Warin]

I have raise this on the OSM tagging list. I have summarised the 
responses below.


On 08/09/19 21:04, Bob Kerr via HOT wrote:

Hi,

It has been a very long time since I have posted to the mailing list. 
So please bear with me if I have landed in the wrong place.


I was recently at a WASH conference (Water,Sanitation,hygiene). We 
were discussing Open Defecation, people going to the toilet in the 
open, specially in dense urban areas. Open defecation areas ODA are 
use by about 850 million people. If they each use 10 different areas a 
year then that is 8.5 billion areas.

This logic appears flawed.
Does each person have their own individual ODA? In a dense urban 
environment I would expect there to be a lack of space for this.
However,if there are individual ODAs, are they to be mapped as a 
collective rather than each individual one?


Past ODAs would need to remain mapped .. but not as ODAs as that implies 
present use.
Not certain what to use here but the OSM life cycle tags may be of use. 
'abandoned:open_defecation_area=yes' may be appropriate.
And it would be of use to add the tag 'end_date=*' to signify the date 
of last use.


The above would reduce the number of areas to be mapped.


The only way that this problem can start to be addressed is if we have 
a map of the areas. A paper map made by MapOSmatic with theses areas 
marked would be an excellent inspiration for local communities to deal 
with the problem and would act as competition between local towns and 
cities to be the cleanest


I have checked with taginfo and there are a few examples on defecation 
but nothing officially proposed.


Taginfo indicates 53 uses of 'watsan:open_defecation_area=yes', no wiki. 
Most use in Africa. just east nor east of Nairobi.




My questions are. Do you think there would be support for this on the 
humanitarian tile map render and who should I talk to about adding it 
to the humanitarian style sheet if the proposal is accepted.


The 'watsan' appears to be irrelevant information. Possibly a source? Or 
an operator?
In any case the tag would be better as 'open_defecation_area=yes'. If 
required other information can be added as subtags, such as a comment, a 
note etc.




I believe I could get a lot of enthusiasm from WASH communities, they 
would also become enthusiastic mappers because their first ever map 
was the broad street pump


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1854_Broad_Street_cholera_outbreak

Where they used a map to stop cholera

The proposal would be simple node and area with picture of a person 
squatting. I would appreciate guidance as  I  create this.


Many thanks for your time

Bob




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Re: [HOT] Name= Piste rurale in Mali

[Warin]

Move them into the description key. This retains the information and 
might get used by renders.


On 22/05/19 23:49, Cascafico Giovanni wrote:
"Piste rurale" (better singular "pista rurale") cannot be a reference, 
since is a common name, which in italian simply means rural track/path.


IMHO such tag should be removed

Il mer 22 mag 2019, 15:00 john whelan > ha scritto:


and I've seen it in other African countries.

Obviously it is not a valid name for a highway but how should it
be tagged if tagged at all?

Some are tagged ref=Piste rurale

Thoughts

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Re: [HOT] Open Location Code

[Warin]

+ 1 with John Whelan

Every place already has an "address" simply called latitude, longitude.
The Open Location Code is simply another way of expressing that 
latitude, longitude.


If some platform wants to provide an interface between OSM data to Open 
Location Code fine.
But I don't expect that the OSM data base will have anything other than 
latitude, longitude inside it.



On 12/08/18 06:59, john whelan wrote:
I think you have missed a major point.  You do not give anyone an 
OLC.  It is simply their lat and long encoded in letters.


So every building in the world has a lat and long, it is its 
location.  This can be expressed as an OLC.


Cheerio John

On Sat, 11 Aug 2018, 4:49 pm Blake Girardot, > wrote:


Hi John,

I appreciate your thoughtful and informative remarks as always here
and on the osm-talk thread, especially about the Open Location Code
discussion.

I clearly generally agree they are not a perfect solution and I am not
even sure we know all the possible use cases, but they are a very good
option at the moment, open source, light weight, easy to implement in
tools.

But I must take exception to your paragraph here:

> Translation is this allows us to give every dwelling in Africa
etc its own
> address.  It is not in itself a complete addressing solution
since it
> doesn't handle things like 2nd floor but it does at least take
you to the
> building.

Trying out OLC in some local circumstances, driven from on the ground
up in that location is fine. If they see a possible usefulness to
them, by all means I will do everything I can to support them as they
figure out if it is something of value to the local community.

But the idea of giving every dwelling in Africa an address is not a
good way to frame it. We are not giving anyone anything. If people
wish to use these locally first, or operating locally I will help them
to the best of my ability.

But in no way do I feel we are or should be giving "every dwelling in
Africa etc its own address" and I would like to make that clear from
the start. This is a potential useful system that seems well suited to
solve some use cases in some locations but must be really wanted by
the local community and driven from the ground up, hopefully in
conjunction with other local actors in the area.

Cheers John,
blake



On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 2:55 PM, john whelan
mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Open Location Code or Plus code is just a method of representing
latitude
> and longitude in a more human friendly way.
>
> It was originally created by Google but has been released under
an open
> licence.
>
> It is possible to set osmand to show coordinates as OLC. This
means it can
> display the OLC code for any node or building in OpenStreetMap
and the
> displayed code can be copied to the clipboard.  No extra tagging is
> necessary.
>
> OSMand will also accept an OLC code for searching purposes.
>
> It would seem likely that Nominatim will allow searching by OLC
in the near
> future.
>
> Translation is this allows us to give every dwelling in Africa
etc its own
> address.  It is not in itself a complete addressing solution
since it
> doesn't handle things like 2nd floor but it does at least take
you to the
> building.
>
> To make this work will require training material for example how
to turn it
> on in OSMand.  It is not turned on by default.
>
> Because it is calculated from the buildings's latitude and
longitude it is
> embedded in OSM and will not disappear.  It is stable so you can
build on
> it.
>
> Now you need to think about how it can be used and what
additional resources
> will be required to make full use of it.
>
> Cheerio John
>




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[HOT] The tag landuse = clearing

[Warin]

Hi,


The tag “landuse=clearing” was extensively used in Costa Rica by 
#hotosm-task-417 #YouthMappers #TexasTech during November 2017, mapping 
around Parque Nacional Coicovado in Costa Rica.


Unfortunately this tag is not documented on the OSM wiki, I have started 
to document what I think it is and looks like from some satellite imagery.



The proposal page to document the possible tag can be found here 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Landcover%3Dclearing.


There are several suggestions as to how to map these things better- with 
more information and some should result with rendering on maps.



However, my questions are;

Do HOT use the tag at all for there own purposes?

Will there be any problems and/or objections to changing 
‘landuse=clearing’ to “landcover=clearing” ?



Thanks in advance for any thoughts on the subject.



PS I note that many of these ways introduced have touching rings and 
duplicate segments. I have edited many of them so they now don’t 
generate errors on OSMinspector see 
https://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=areas=-83.46332=8.53010=11 
 



I have not touched the north eastern coastal area so you can see the 
problems.


PPS I am motivated to keep land cover things out of the land use key, 
hence my personal interest in this tag.




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