Re: [HOT] [Osmf-talk] Code of Conduct Reminder

2017-12-14 Thread Phil (The Geek) Wyatt
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Etiquette

 

From: Mikel Maron [mailto:mikel.ma...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 5:21 AM
To: Dale Kunce; hot; OSMF Talk; nicolas chavent
Subject: Re: [HOT] [Osmf-talk] Code of Conduct Reminder

 

Sure, a simple clarification. The OSMF hosted mailing lists fall under the 
etiquette and moderation guidelines at 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Etiquette. The HOT Code of Conduct applies 
to different domains and set of actors, most especially Voting Members of HOT. 

 

* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron

 

 

On Thursday, December 14, 2017, 12:43:16 PM EST, nicolas chavent 
 wrote: 

 

 

Dear all HOT Us Inc members, subscribers of the hot at openstreetmap 
mailing-list and OSMF members, 

There's is something weird in Dale Kunce (HOT US Inc President and OSMF member) 
in this email announcing that the HOT US Inc Code of Conduct https://www. 
<https://www.hotosm.org/hot_code_of_conduct> hotosm.org/hot_ code_of_conduct 
will be enforced on the hot at openstreetmap mailing-list (an OpenStreetMap 
mailing list to discuss uses of OSM in the humanitarian and development sectors 
[1]) which like other OpenStreetMap thematic mailing lists [2] (software 
development, tagging etc ...) and other discussions fora (wiki, forum etc) 
belong to the commons of the OpenStreetMap project and is regulated via the 
OSMF and the OSM members and is yet not subject to agreed upon and enforced CoC 
as reminded by the last OSMF election discussions [3]. 

It would be beneficial for the regulations of the OpenStreetMap commons, that 
the President of HOT US Inc refrain from enforcing his own organization's 
conversational policy and procedures (which has never been voted by the HOT US 
Inc membership) over an OSM mailing list and narrow his focus and actions on 
the resources of his own organizations (membership mailing list, tools etc) or 
the conversations of the HOT US Inc membership. 

It would also be beneficial to assess and look at the moderation of the hot at 
openstreetmap mailing-list from a non HOT US Inc only perspective, shall we 
want this list to be the mailing list of anyone OpenStreeMap members (and not 
yet members) interested into the use of OpenStreetMap diversified and 
decentralized and not the list of only-one organization of the OpenStreetMap 
ecosystem active across the humanitarian and development sectors.   

 

Best, 

Nicolas

 

[1]: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[2]: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
[3]: 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2017-December/subject.html

 

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Dale Kunce  wrote:

Earlier today someone on this list made some rude and disparaging remarks about 
the iD developers. This is not the first time an outside supporting group has 
been attacked by members of this list. Your words have meaning. Your words can 
have far greater impact than you believe. One individual, not elected, can have 
a huge negative impact that directly affects HOT's mission. 

 

One of HOT's biggest fans and supporters has unsubscribed from this list, 
rightly so, because of these attacks. The individual was and is key to helping 
the OSM community with important technology tools that we need to map better.

 

I would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone of the Code of Conduct 
https://www.hotosm.org/hot_ code_of_conduct 
<https://www.hotosm.org/hot_code_of_conduct> . It will be enforced and 
offenders will be asked to leave our community if you cannot help us form a 
positive welcoming community. The Code of Conduct is not for some special group 
to enforce the power of a strong CoC lies with the community to enforce good 
positive communication norms.

 

Thanks


 

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Dale Kunce

 


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Re: [HOT] [Osmf-talk] Code of Conduct Reminder

2017-12-14 Thread Mikel Maron
Sure, a simple clarification. The OSMF hosted mailing lists fall under the 
etiquette and moderation guidelines at 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Etiquette. The HOT Code of Conduct applies 
to different domains and set of actors, most especially Voting Members of HOT. 
* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

On Thursday, December 14, 2017, 12:43:16 PM EST, nicolas chavent 
 wrote:  
 
 Dear all HOT Us Inc members, subscribers of the hot at openstreetmap 
mailing-list and OSMF members, 

There's is something weird in Dale Kunce (HOT US Inc President and OSMF member) 
in this email announcing that the HOT US Inc Code of Conduct 
https://www.hotosm.org/hot_ code_of_conduct will be enforced on the hot at 
openstreetmap mailing-list (an OpenStreetMap mailing list to discuss uses of 
OSM in the humanitarian and development sectors [1]) which like other 
OpenStreetMap thematic mailing lists [2] (software development, tagging etc 
...) and other discussions fora (wiki, forum etc) belong to the commons of the 
OpenStreetMap project and is regulated via the OSMF and the OSM members and is 
yet not subject to agreed upon and enforced CoC as reminded by the last OSMF 
election discussions [3]. 

It would be beneficial for the regulations of the OpenStreetMap commons, that 
the President of HOT US Inc refrain from enforcing his own organization's 
conversational policy and procedures (which has never been voted by the HOT US 
Inc membership) over an OSM mailing list and narrow his focus and actions on 
the resources of his own organizations (membership mailing list, tools etc) or 
the conversations of the HOT US Inc membership. 
It would also be beneficial to assess and look at the moderation of the hot at 
openstreetmap mailing-list from a non HOT US Inc only perspective, shall we 
want this list to be the mailing list of anyone OpenStreeMap members (and not 
yet members) interested into the use of OpenStreetMap diversified and 
decentralized and not the list of only-one organization of the OpenStreetMap 
ecosystem active across the humanitarian and development sectors.   

Best, 
Nicolas
 
[1]: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[2]: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
[3]: 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2017-December/subject.html


On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Dale Kunce  wrote:

Earlier today someone on this list made some rude and disparaging remarks about 
the iD developers. This is not the first time an outside supporting group has 
been attacked by members of this list. Your words have meaning. Your words can 
have far greater impact than you believe. One individual, not elected, can have 
a huge negative impact that directly affects HOT's mission. 
One of HOT's biggest fans and supporters has unsubscribed from this list, 
rightly so, because of these attacks. The individual was and is key to helping 
the OSM community with important technology tools that we need to map better.
I would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone of the Code of Conduct 
https://www.hotosm.org/hot_ code_of_conduct. It will be enforced and offenders 
will be asked to leave our community if you cannot help us form a positive 
welcoming community. The Code of Conduct is not for some special group to 
enforce the power of a strong CoC lies with the community to enforce good 
positive communication norms.
Thanks

-- 
sent from my mobile device
Dale Kunce

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Mobile (Bénin): +22962 55 85 91
Email: nicolas.chav...@gmail.com
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