Re: [Hpr] Policy Change, Call to action for Host to Show ratio
Sorry, brain fart on my part, I was not responding to the correct issue here. I have followed the guideline of no more than one show every two weeks for a few years now, and I think it is a good idea. And since the main issue is that there are not enough shows coming in, it is hard for me to see it as a binding constraint. If someone has a spurt of creativity and records three shows in an afternoon, why is it bad to tell them to post one every two weeks? I generally record a dozen or more shows over a few days, then upload them in a mass uploading session. Of course, I am retired so this is a hobby for me, but I kind of like the two week rule. As it is, I kind of worry that one day I will see messages on the mailing list saying "When will that guy shut up?" But thankfully that hasn't happened yet. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien z wil...@zwilnik.com http://about.me/zwilnik “People shouldn't be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people.” - Alan Moore, *V for Vendetta* On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 5:57 PM Kevin O'Brien wrote: > I'm a strong believer in the value of licenses like Creative Commons, and > I take them seriously. If there is no way to continue the Oh No news > without violating the license, then as much as I love it, I would vote to > stop it. Is there absolutely no way of continuing it without a license > violation, though? Could a simple change in the show bring it into > compliance. As far as I am aware, you cannot copyright facts, and much of > what SGOTI does in this show is to state that such-and-such happened. > Where I would think a problem would arise is in direct quoting of someone > else's copyrighted material, and even that can be a gray area if the source > is cited and only a little bit is quoted. So my preference would be to look > into how SGOTI can continue his show while being in legal compliance. But > if that is not possible, then I reluctantly come down on the side of > license compliance. > > Regards, > > > -- > Kevin B. O'Brien > z wil...@zwilnik.com > http://about.me/zwilnik > “People shouldn't be afraid of their government. Governments should be > afraid of their people.” - Alan Moore, *V for Vendetta* > > > On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 8:25 AM Ken Fallon wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Can you please respond to this policy change, as it stands this is >> something that we should not implement. >> >> Also please send in some shows this weekend as we're going to be moving >> to the static site soon and it would be great to have the queue full. >> >> Ken. >> >> >> On 2023-05-12 11:14, Ken Fallon wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> First , *w**e need shows immediately* as there is an empty queue next >> week, and the number of Emergency/Reserve shows are also dwindling. So >> please finish that show you were thinking of submitting and send it in. If >> you don't care when it's released please put "Use as Emergency show" in the >> show notes for now. >> >> ... hold music while you do that ... >> >> I am concerned about the future of HPR, as a project where the shows are >> produced by the community. At this rate we cease to be a bar camp style >> podcast and become one where the shows are provided by a rotating team of >> "regulars". >> >> Ideally we would like it so that every show is contributed by a different >> host, giving a 1:1 ratio between show and host. So far this year all but 4 >> of the submissions are from hosts who submitted more than one show, a 3:1 >> ratio. Ahuka aside, the majority are as a result of kindhearted hosts who >> contribute shows at the last minute to fill the vacant slots. >> >> To make this problem more visible I would like to introduce the following >> Scheduling Guideline "*No host should submit any more than one show in a >> two week period.*" Of course these are guidelines etc etc., but it >> should still allow prolific hosts to submit shows while not masking the >> underlying issue that we have yet to address. >> >> Which is: We need new hosts, but we also need old hosts who have not >> submitted shows this year to submit a show. >> >> How do we solve this problem ? >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Ken Fallon >> (PA7KEN,G5KEN)https://kenfallon.comhttps://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon >> >> ID >> Host >> Total >> >> 159 HPR Volunteers 12 >> 198 Ahuka 9 >> 391 Some Guy On The Internet 8 >> 318 Archer72 7 >> 282 Mike Ray 5 >> 30 Ken Fallon 5 >> 326 Brian in Ohio 5 >> 36 operat0r 3 >> 365 Bookewyrmm 3 >> 225 Dave Morriss 3 >> 401 Mechatroniac 3 >> 415 enistello 2 >> 407 Celeste 2 >> 268 Andrew Conway 2 >> 152 Claudio Miranda 2 >> 293 Rho`n 2 >> 416 screwtape 2 >> 342 norrist 2 >> 238 Jon Kulp 2 >> 375 minnix 2 >> 201 MrX 2 >> 408 Stache_AF 1 >> 383 Paul Quirk 1 >> 209 David Whitman 1 >> 377 Zen_Floater2 1 >> >> >> ___ >> Hpr mailing list >> Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org >> http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org >> >
Re: [Hpr] Policy Change, Call to action for Host to Show ratio
I'm a strong believer in the value of licenses like Creative Commons, and I take them seriously. If there is no way to continue the Oh No news without violating the license, then as much as I love it, I would vote to stop it. Is there absolutely no way of continuing it without a license violation, though? Could a simple change in the show bring it into compliance. As far as I am aware, you cannot copyright facts, and much of what SGOTI does in this show is to state that such-and-such happened. Where I would think a problem would arise is in direct quoting of someone else's copyrighted material, and even that can be a gray area if the source is cited and only a little bit is quoted. So my preference would be to look into how SGOTI can continue his show while being in legal compliance. But if that is not possible, then I reluctantly come down on the side of license compliance. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien z wil...@zwilnik.com http://about.me/zwilnik “People shouldn't be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people.” - Alan Moore, *V for Vendetta* On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 8:25 AM Ken Fallon wrote: > Hi All, > > Can you please respond to this policy change, as it stands this is > something that we should not implement. > > Also please send in some shows this weekend as we're going to be moving to > the static site soon and it would be great to have the queue full. > > Ken. > > > On 2023-05-12 11:14, Ken Fallon wrote: > > Hi All, > > First , *w**e need shows immediately* as there is an empty queue next > week, and the number of Emergency/Reserve shows are also dwindling. So > please finish that show you were thinking of submitting and send it in. If > you don't care when it's released please put "Use as Emergency show" in the > show notes for now. > > ... hold music while you do that ... > > I am concerned about the future of HPR, as a project where the shows are > produced by the community. At this rate we cease to be a bar camp style > podcast and become one where the shows are provided by a rotating team of > "regulars". > > Ideally we would like it so that every show is contributed by a different > host, giving a 1:1 ratio between show and host. So far this year all but 4 > of the submissions are from hosts who submitted more than one show, a 3:1 > ratio. Ahuka aside, the majority are as a result of kindhearted hosts who > contribute shows at the last minute to fill the vacant slots. > > To make this problem more visible I would like to introduce the following > Scheduling Guideline "*No host should submit any more than one show in a > two week period.*" Of course these are guidelines etc etc., but it should > still allow prolific hosts to submit shows while not masking the underlying > issue that we have yet to address. > > Which is: We need new hosts, but we also need old hosts who have not > submitted shows this year to submit a show. > > How do we solve this problem ? > > -- > Regards, > > Ken Fallon > (PA7KEN,G5KEN)https://kenfallon.comhttps://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon > > ID > Host > Total > > 159 HPR Volunteers 12 > 198 Ahuka 9 > 391 Some Guy On The Internet 8 > 318 Archer72 7 > 282 Mike Ray 5 > 30 Ken Fallon 5 > 326 Brian in Ohio 5 > 36 operat0r 3 > 365 Bookewyrmm 3 > 225 Dave Morriss 3 > 401 Mechatroniac 3 > 415 enistello 2 > 407 Celeste 2 > 268 Andrew Conway 2 > 152 Claudio Miranda 2 > 293 Rho`n 2 > 416 screwtape 2 > 342 norrist 2 > 238 Jon Kulp 2 > 375 minnix 2 > 201 MrX 2 > 408 Stache_AF 1 > 383 Paul Quirk 1 > 209 David Whitman 1 > 377 Zen_Floater2 1 > > > ___ > Hpr mailing list > Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org > http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org > ___ Hpr mailing list Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org
Re: [Hpr] Policy Change, Call to action for Host to Show ratio
My personal thoughts on the topic have turned into 'meh'. While this is probably not technically right(not a good thing when discussing amongst hackers and aspiring hackers), but I think the more rules you put on people who want to contribute shows, the more you push people off from wanting to contribute. But I do think HPR will get to the point it will either cease or some of those rules or guidelines will have to go. I think as new hosts become old hosts they will have a tendency, and I will have a tendency to consider them a show hosted on HPR. And I like that. I understand that goes against the policy and many people do not like that. My point is I think that's counter to the goal of filling slots. I haven't caught up on recent email but I'm half afraid to fearing there will be a thread about how "Oh No News" has to go. On 5/27/23 08:25, Ken Fallon wrote: Hi All, Can you please respond to this policy change, as it stands this is something that we should not implement. Also please send in some shows this weekend as we're going to be moving to the static site soon and it would be great to have the queue full. Ken. On 2023-05-12 11:14, Ken Fallon wrote: Hi All, First , *w**e need shows immediately* as there is an empty queue next week, and the number of Emergency/Reserve shows are also dwindling. So please finish that show you were thinking of submitting and send it in. If you don't care when it's released please put "Use as Emergency show" in the show notes for now. ... hold music while you do that ... I am concerned about the future of HPR, as a project where the shows are produced by the community. At this rate we cease to be a bar camp style podcast and become one where the shows are provided by a rotating team of "regulars". Ideally we would like it so that every show is contributed by a different host, giving a 1:1 ratio between show and host. So far this year all but 4 of the submissions are from hosts who submitted more than one show, a 3:1 ratio. Ahuka aside, the majority are as a result of kindhearted hosts who contribute shows at the last minute to fill the vacant slots. To make this problem more visible I would like to introduce the following Scheduling Guideline "*No host should submit any more than one show in a two week period.*" Of course these are guidelines etc etc., but it should still allow prolific hosts to submit shows while not masking the underlying issue that we have yet to address. Which is: We need new hosts, but we also need old hosts who have not submitted shows this year to submit a show. How do we solve this problem ? -- Regards, Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN) https://kenfallon.com https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon ID Host Total 159 HPR Volunteers 12 198 Ahuka 9 391 Some Guy On The Internet8 318 Archer727 282 Mike Ray5 30 Ken Fallon 5 326 Brian in Ohio 5 36 operat0r3 365 Bookewyrmm 3 225 Dave Morriss3 401 Mechatroniac3 415 enistello 2 407 Celeste 2 268 Andrew Conway 2 152 Claudio Miranda 2 293 Rho`n 2 416 screwtape 2 342 norrist 2 238 Jon Kulp2 375 minnix 2 201 MrX 2 408 Stache_AF 1 383 Paul Quirk 1 209 David Whitman 1 377 Zen_Floater21 ___ Hpr mailing list Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org___ Hpr mailing list Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org
Re: [Hpr] Policy Change, Call to action for Host to Show ratio
Hi All, Can you please respond to this policy change, as it stands this is something that we should not implement. Also please send in some shows this weekend as we're going to be moving to the static site soon and it would be great to have the queue full. Ken. On 2023-05-12 11:14, Ken Fallon wrote: Hi All, First , *w**e need shows immediately* as there is an empty queue next week, and the number of Emergency/Reserve shows are also dwindling. So please finish that show you were thinking of submitting and send it in. If you don't care when it's released please put "Use as Emergency show" in the show notes for now. ... hold music while you do that ... I am concerned about the future of HPR, as a project where the shows are produced by the community. At this rate we cease to be a bar camp style podcast and become one where the shows are provided by a rotating team of "regulars". Ideally we would like it so that every show is contributed by a different host, giving a 1:1 ratio between show and host. So far this year all but 4 of the submissions are from hosts who submitted more than one show, a 3:1 ratio. Ahuka aside, the majority are as a result of kindhearted hosts who contribute shows at the last minute to fill the vacant slots. To make this problem more visible I would like to introduce the following Scheduling Guideline "*No host should submit any more than one show in a two week period.*" Of course these are guidelines etc etc., but it should still allow prolific hosts to submit shows while not masking the underlying issue that we have yet to address. Which is: We need new hosts, but we also need old hosts who have not submitted shows this year to submit a show. How do we solve this problem ? -- Regards, Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN) https://kenfallon.com https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon ID Host Total 159 HPR Volunteers 12 198 Ahuka 9 391 Some Guy On The Internet8 318 Archer727 282 Mike Ray5 30 Ken Fallon 5 326 Brian in Ohio 5 36 operat0r3 365 Bookewyrmm 3 225 Dave Morriss3 401 Mechatroniac3 415 enistello 2 407 Celeste 2 268 Andrew Conway 2 152 Claudio Miranda 2 293 Rho`n 2 416 screwtape 2 342 norrist 2 238 Jon Kulp2 375 minnix 2 201 MrX 2 408 Stache_AF 1 383 Paul Quirk 1 209 David Whitman 1 377 Zen_Floater21 ___ Hpr mailing list Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org
