Re: [Hpr] Kodi/Plex/jellyfin

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Re: [Hpr] Linux Inlaws

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> we are one of HPR's most popular podcasts which regularly
> publishes content.
See, this right here is exactly the disconnect. HPR is *one* podcast.
You simply cannot be "one of HPR's most popular podcasts" because (1)
its not a competition, and more importantly (2) HPR is a single
podcast.

> But let's take a look at the bigger picture. If our experience never
> mind the feedback we are getting through official and other channels
> are anything to go by, the vast majority of our listeners couldn't
> care less where they get their episodes from. They heard or read
> about the podcast, search for the RSS feed, subscribe to it and if
> they like what they hear downloaded from a server, they stick with us.
>
> End of story.

Sure, fine, whatever. That's not really relevant to the question(s) at
hand one way or the other. And, if it were, it very much points to you
using HPR as something that we, the borader HPR community, have decided
that it is not. A platform to host your own podcast from.

> In this light, any discussion about wording, podcasts vs hosting
> platforms, etc. is academic and thus irrelevant for these listeners

Maybe, but they aren't to us.

> Of course, bylaws are bylaws and feeling that we may have overstayed
> our welcome, we are happy to move the content elsewhere (probably
> archive.org as suggested by Ken)

I do want to point out that that was not the only option presented.

>which also has the side effect of
> reducing the technical debt of the corresponding automation workflow
> significantly.

There is absolutely no call for this kind of backhanded comment. The
HPR admins/janitors have consistently worked to improve the tooling of
the site to support *the HPR workflow*, while keeping everything that
already exists functional as is. This is one of the worst "sour grapes"
examples I've seen in a long time, and really belittles the work they
do.


To circle back to one more point
> Having said that I cannot get rid of that  sinking feeling that HPR
> and its community shy away from success.
No. But I think we define success differently. (Speaking personally) If
the success of any one HPR series doesn't translate into success for
the community as a whole, then its not really a sucess for HPR.


Having said all that, I still wish you the best of luck going foward. I
hope that this is nothing more than an honest disagreement between a
group of well meaning folks.

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Re: [Hpr] LinuxInlaws and HPR

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On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 09:25:49 -0400
Jason Dodd  wrote:

> I guess it's a distinction without a difference to me.  A series on
> HPR is the same as a podcast on a specific topic only hosted on HPR.

I disagree. There's a very clear difference. I would be welcome, nay,
encouraged, to add shows to the DOS, GIMP, Security & Privacy, or any
of the other (fantastic) series that Kevin has started / contributed to
over the years. I don't think the same would be considered true for
"Linux Inlaws" 

Interestingly, the hosts of Urandom (myself, Thaj, Pokey) had a
discussion about this when we decided that we couldn’t maintain our
Audio Book Club schedule, but still wanted to do a show. One discussed
option was "do a few HPR exclusive episodes to work out the bugs, and
then host it ourselves", because the policy has always been clear about
the difference between a HPR series and a syndicated podcast/episode (we
didn’t do this because we found other ways to approach it). 

The policy is clear, and this has absolutely slid into a clear
violation of the policy. 

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Re: [Hpr] Policy change: Show complaints procedure

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I emphatically approve. It makes it clear what the intention is (self preservation, not moderation), and what the response will be. /x1101On Jun 10, 2022 03:29, Ken Fallon  wrote:
Hi All,
This policy change relates to shows that have been published but
  which may contain problem content. 

For more information listen to today's show, where I suggest that
  we continue to post the shows as normal, if we get a complaint
  then the Janitors will contact the host as normal. Should the host
  be unavailable, uncooperative, or disagree, then the Janitors can
  either move the show to the backup queue, or hide it depending on
  the severity of the complaint. In all cases we'll keep the special
  advisory committee aka the auditor team of volunteers in the loop
  to make sure all is above board. The community can then decide on
  the best course of action.
  https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3615
I would like to propose the following changes to our policies.
Both relate to https://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#not_moderated
Currently: "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor
  any of the audio you submit, we trust you to
do that."
Proposed: "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor any
  of the audio you submit, we trust you not
to upload anything that will harm HPR."
Add the line: "Any material that is
reported as harming HPR may be unlisted until such a time as the
situation can be resolved."
-- 
Regards,

Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
https://kenfallon.com
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Re: [Hpr] Moving a show out ... again

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Yes/x1101On May 9, 2022 09:25, Claudio Miranda  wrote:It's a "yes" from me as well.On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 9:17 AM DuJeon <5am8on9@gmail.com> wrote:yes___
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Re: [Hpr] Permission to move out a show

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On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:28:13 +0100
Daniel Persson  wrote:
I also agree.


> Dito
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 10:24 AM Nigel Verity
>  wrote:
>
> > I agree with Andrew on all points, including his PS.
> >
> > Beeza
> >
> > 22 Mar 2022 09:20:13 Andrew Conway :
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > I agree with your reasoning about asking for permission and as it
> > is a rare event it won't consume too much of your or our time.
> >
> > And yes, you have my approval in this instance.
> >
> > Andrew
> > PS As you are inclined to reject power I think you should be made
> > president or prime minister of somewhere.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 22 Mar 2022, 09:13 Ken Fallon,  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> Thanks for your feedback, however we do not wish to move the shows
> >> around without the hosts permission for any reason. The queue is
> >> there to prevent allegations of favoritism and is succeeding in
> >> it's task.
> >>
> >> It is also a dangerous path to go down allowing the Janitors to
> >> deem a show inappropriate to be scheduled for any reason. Even a
> >> valid technical reason could be considers censorship. Then you get
> >> to defining "rules" for valid technical reasons, and as we saw
> >> with the "scheduling rules" - they simply do not work.
> >>
> >> So the Janitors will move shows on host permission as normal, but
> >> will always ask the mail list where the host cannot or will not
> >> move their show.
> >>
> >> We will always try to provide an explanation, as we did in the
> >> past for special events like protests (hpr0903 :: SOPA Protest
> >> ),
> >> or anniversaries. That is not possible at this stage as the host
> >> has yet to decide what they wish to do.
> >>
> >> However it's also not desirable to keep postponing the shows
> >> release into the main feed indefinitely.
> >>
> >> My proposal is that we schedule the show in question for Mon
> >> 2022-04-18: hpr3576, two weeks after the next Community News. This
> >> will give the host ample time to respond, and if they don't then
> >> we can discuss the issues in question with the wider community on
> >> HPR Community News for March 2022.
> >>
> >> So do I have the consent to move the show or not ?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)https://kenfallon.com
> >> https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
> >> 
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2022-03-22 00:27, Brian Navarette wrote:
> >>
> >> I agree with Dave Lee
> >>
> >> Brian-in-ohio
> >>
> >> On 3/21/22 09:38, Roan Horning wrote:
> >>
> >> I am in agreement with Dave's assessment.
> >>
> >> --Roan
> >>
> >> On 3/21/22 09:31, Dave Lee (HPR) wrote:
> >>
> >> I think this is _the _key point here.  I'm more than happy for the
> >> HPR Admins to make decisions where it is deemed inappropriate for
> >> a show to be scheduled for technical reasons - although not for
> >> content - without needing to seek permission first.
> >>
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Hpr] Permission to move out a show

[x1101]

Ken - Your analysis here is spot on. If you feel that there's a need to
defer the posting of a show to clear up questions that the HPR Admin
team have, but are having issues contacting the host, that's totally
reasonable.

Given the ongoing community discussions surrounding content policy, I
think a lot of people would like to get more info on the situation
after its been resolved (assuming we have the hosts permission to
discuss it)

/Lyle

On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 12:03:56 +0100
Ken Fallon  wrote:

> At the moment it is not clear if they have officially posted the show
> or not, so it is not appropriate to discuss the issue at this point.
> The host remains the copyright holder of the content and needs to be
> given the opportunity to decide what they wish to do.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ken.
>
> On 2022-03-21 11:13, Nigel Verity wrote:
> > Is it a technical issue or one of content? If the latter then it
> > might have connotations for the community to discuss.
> >
> > Beeza
> >
> > 21 Mar 2022 08:45:45 Andrew Conway :
> >
> > Fine by me.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > On Mon, 21 Mar 2022, 08:43 Ken Fallon,  wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > One of the shows in the queue has some issues. I spoke to
> > the host about
> > it and it is not clear if they want to remove it or replace
> > it. I think
> > they are off line for a bit as they haven't replied.
> >
> > Can I move the show out past the Community News so that the
> > current slot
> > can be freed up ? Hopefully that will give time for the host
> > to reply.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
> > https://kenfallon.com
> > 
> > 
> >
> > https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
> > 
> > 
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Hpr] Policy Change: Removal of "by arranged permission" when posting to HPR

[x1101]

On Wed, 08 Dec 2021 23:26:57 +
Klaatu  wrote:

I, too, am in favo(u)r of this change.

> I'm in favour. Keep it simple,  keep it open.
>
> On 8 December 2021 5:30:46 PM UTC, Ken Fallon  wrote:
> >Hi All,
> >
> >We require a license from the host submitting a show, as by default
> >any work is considered to be "Copyright all rights reserved'.
> >
> >We accept shows posted under any Creative Commons license[1], GNU
> >Free Documentation License, anything in the public domain, and
> >anything under a FLOSS software license.
> >
> >We do not post other copyrighted content[2], even if it is under a
> >"fair use" clause.
> >
> >We *do* allow shows "by arranged permission"[3], where the host has
> >explicit permission to submit the show. We have never had a show
> >submitted under this clause.
> >
> >I am now proposing that we remove that option, as even though that
> >would give us permission to host it it causes problems for our
> >listeners.
> >
> >Our podcast is played in public spaces. As the content is Creative
> >Commons they don't need to pay national license authorities[4]. If
> >we play content that is not Creative Commons then they do.
> >
> >It also would prevent anyone from knowing the rights they have
> >without knowing the exact permission attached to that individual
> >show, and been able to interpret what it would mean to them if they
> >reused it.
> >
> >This clause makes the whole question ambiguous because we flag our
> >feed Creative Commons but the individual show would not be.
> >
> >To be safe we would need to remove these shows from the main feed,
> >and make it so that you would only get these special shows if you
> >explicitly opt in for them. I don't see how this would benefit
> >anyone as no one would be subscribed to this feed.
> >
> >Proposed Change:
> >
> >Removal of:
> >< If you are redistributing under another Creative Commons License
> >or by arranged permission please make note of the restrictions when
> >you upload your show. We can then signal that, so that others who
> >redistribute HPR content can filter your show out.
> >---
> >Replace with:
> >> If you are redistributing under  another Creative Commons license,
> >> GNU Free Documentation License,
> >public domain, or FLOSS software license, then please signal that
> >when you upload your show. We do not post other copyrighted content,
> >even if it is made available under fair use, or by arranged
> >permission.
> >
> >
> >
> >[1] http://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#license
> >[2]
> >http://hackerpublicradio.org/pipermail/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org/2019-May/014446.html
> >[3]
> >http://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#permission
> >[4] https://www.ppimusic.ie/using-music/do-i-need-a-ppi-licence
> >
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Re: [Hpr] HPR urls doing weird things

[x1101]

Excellent. I think this is an excellent, very specific solution.

On 9/10/2020 07:58, Ken Fallon wrote:

I applied a rewrite rule as shown here
https://blog.paranoidpenguin.net/2018/12/how-to-remove-facebooks-fbclid-parameter-using-mod_rewrite-on-apache-2-4/

So now facebook links will work.


Wouldn't accepting parameters from others pose a security problem? I
tend to think it expands the attack surface.

On 2020-09-10 00:10, Cedric De Vroey wrote:

No it doesn't really, as long as you use named parameters, and as long
as you implement proper sanitation on those parameters you should be
fine from a security perspective.

I agree if you mean just adding this one extra parameter.

I disagree if you mean allowing any extra parameters. Checking that the
parameter match our allowable list is part of a good defense in depth
strategy. By triggering this check, we know the person is an attacker,
and can use that information as part of our defense.



However, there are privacy concerns
that could be made over this practice since it could be used to track users.


This looks like an attempt to bypass the EU cookie law.



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Re: [Hpr] HPR urls doing weird things

[x1101]

I'm not a php dev, so I defer to folks that are for implementation
comments, but if this is something that we deem desirable, could we
simply have the initial processing discard any parameters that we're not
accepting, while correctly processing things we are?


I don't know if that's reasonable, or what ramifications it would have
for security, but It does seem common that "big sites" are appending
their junk onto outbound links (copyright/AUP/CFAA type concerns not
withstanding) and being able to accept and discard them does seem to be
a way to not loose potential inbound links.

On 9/9/2020 11:08, Ken Fallon wrote:

From Ken (HPR Janitor)

Hi All,

A lot of people are new to HPR so if you haven't done so already
please read the about page, specifically
http://hackerpublicradio.org/about.php#governance

To be clear, if the community decide to allow this extra parameters
then we will add it to the site.

--
Regards,

Ken Fallon
http://kenfallon.com
http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=30

On 2020-09-09 16:45, Roan Horning wrote:

This reminded me of an article I saw the other day on Hacker News :
URL query parameters and how laxness creates de facto requirements on
the web
(https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/DeFactoQueryParameters)

While I generally fall  on the side of "Why are you putting your
parameters on my URL", does a hard "NO" hurt spreading the goodness
of HPR more than it provides a security to the site? Personally I
don't find many links on socail media i want to click upon, but I
would hate to lose a potential new listener/contributor because they
followed a link from Facebook and then didn't end up where the poster
originally intended. I know this does add some overhead to the code,
but I feel it is worth it in this instance.

Cheers,

Roan



On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 7:49 AM Ken Fallon mailto:k...@fallon.ie>> wrote:

On 2020-09-09 11:15, Cedric De Vroey via Hpr wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm pretty new so I'm not sure if this topic has already been
discussed,


http://hackerpublicradio.org/pipermail/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org/2020-August/014778.html

> but I have noticed some weird things while trying to link to HPR ..
> social media accounts. When I share a link on facebook pointing
towards
> my correspondent page
> http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=387 then
the user
> still ends up on Droops page (correspondent ID 1) because
facebook adds
> this
>
"=IwAR3C2yjdET6JY9JSfLdGzlfUprlow6GoYbnkDf8noMUTS30GbLkKgLl13z8"
> to the url and the CMS behind HPR seems unable to handle this.

The weird thing is that facebook is adding a parameter to someone
else's
website url. Please ask Facebook not to sent additional query
parameters
to websites that they do not own. I know of cases where people were
prosecuted for adding parameters like that to websites as it was
considered a hacking attempt.

>
> What I guess is happening is that the url mapping scheme behind the
> correspondents page can only handle 1 parameter in the url.
Once you add
> any other parameter to the url next to hostid you see the same
behavior.
> I also noticed that if hostid is missing but any other parameter is
> there on the correspondents page url like
> /correspondents.php?whatever=foobar then we get a funky error:
> image.png
>

All the pages on HPR know exactly what is allowed, what format it
is. We
will accept only the parameters that we require, and nothing else. We
treat anyone sending additional parameters as a hostile agent and
log it
as an attack, the session is deliberately delayed, and they are
removed
from my holiday card list.

> If you need help debugging the code and fixing this let me know.

So far there have been 253 attempts and only 1 for gclid

Seriously though, if this is something that we need to support I
would
like to hear from the community on this.

I'm not sure how this "feature" would sit with our community
https://fbclid.com/

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Re: [Hpr] Error feedback from show notes

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I love this idea as well. Doubly so if the automated tests could be well known and sled performed by hosts before upload. On Jul 5, 2020 16:15, "Thaj A. Sara"  wrote:I am 100% for this.

Jul 5, 2020 7:04:19 AM Ken Fallon :

> Hi All,
> 
> Most of the shows we process require us to make some level of
> modifications to get them posted. This ranges from fixing tags to a
> complete rewrite of the shownotes, or verifying whether intros were
> actually added or not.
> 
> Each modification that we make means that it requires more human
> intervention and prevents us from being able to completely automate the
> upload process. In addition there is a non trivial amount of time needed
> to fix these issues. This can range from a few minutes to an hour or
> more per show, and with 260 shows a year this mounts up.
> 
> We normally don't contact hosts about these issues as it is usually
> quicker to fix the issues than composing emails, and waiting for the
> reply that may never come. For the most part our experience has been
> that hosts are more than willing to fix these issues if they are aware
> of them.
> 
> As part of the ongoing steps toward automation, would hosts be open to
> the idea of getting a processing report once we have posted the show?
> This would list all the issues the test tools found and the steps that
> we needed to take to rectify them.
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Ken Fallon
> http://kenfallon.com
> http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=30
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Re: [Hpr] Harassment on HPR

[x1101]

I fully support this as wellOn Dec 14, 2019 07:56, Ken Fallon  wrote:Hi All,

I have had disturbing reports that multiple hosts have been harassed
after posting shows to HPR. After further investigation I have no reason
 to doubt that these reports are anything but genuine.

This has been a bit of a shock to me, as HPR has always seemed like a
well-regulated community. I for one don't condone harassment or
offensive behavior especially against people who have made the effort to
 contribute to the network. I believe that this is the view of the HPR
Community in general, but I would like confirmation.

Therefore I formally propose the following policy change.

Modify http://hackerpublicradio.org/about.php#free_culture as follows:

< Hacker Public Radio is dedicated to sharing knowledge
---
> Hacker Public Radio is dedicated to sharing knowledge in a welcoming
community that offers positive feedback and encourages respectful debate.

I would appreciate your active response on this issue.

-- 
Regards,

Ken Fallon
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Re: [Hpr] HPR_AudioBookClub: Please add me to the mailing list

[x1101]

The audio book club is in an odd place currently. We recorded about a year's 
worth of episodes, but didn't edit/upload them. We're correcting that.

When we start back to recording new shows, we'll make an announcement (Loudly) 
here, and probably other places as well.

On Jan 30, 2018, jason  wrote:
>I keep cursing you from afar. Figure it would be more effective to
>curse
>you from anear.  Please add me to the audiobook club mailing list. I do
>
>my best to avoid the google.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
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Re: [Hpr] Klaatu's Community play RPG

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Pardon me for being a bit thick, but I don't see anywhere here telling me *how* 
to make a character.

I picked a class (wizard) and then spells to go with it.

Do I need to roll for attributes or something?

On Jan 13, 2018, lostnbronx  wrote:
>Klaatu suggested I offer this revised edition of the core rules for
>"Dungeon Raiders" to the HPR community, for the convenience or
>preference of anyone planning on playing in the game on UTC: Wed, Jan
>31 01:00 to 08:00.
>
>These are the same rules, but I tweaked the layout a bit, changed the
>cover, and removed the interior art. The Creative Commons Zero license
>of the original version made this possible, and, of course, this
>version is released under the same license.
>
>Grab that from here:
>
>http://gopher.info-underground.net:70/lostnbronx/Dungeon-Raiders_revised-edition-d03.epub
>
>I'll leave it up on my server until after the game.
>
>Once again, the original rules can be obtained for free (as in beer
>and freedom) from:
>
>http://www.rpgnow.com/product_info.php?products_id=99366
>
>NOTE: you will have to create an account in order to download from
>them. Not so, from me above.
>
>I hope to see you all there!
>
>> On 1/1/18, hpr-requ...@hackerpublicradio.org
> wrote:
>
>>
>>1. Community play RPG. Save the date. (Klaatu)
>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> My plans to run a community, free-form RPG during the New Years call
>> never came to fruition, mostly due to scheduling, but also for the
>> realisation that the New Years Eve call is, as they say, what it is.
>The
>> New Years Eve call cannot be tamed. It cannot be molded. It is free,
>and
>> that is beautiful.
>>
>> ## NEW PLAN!
>>
>> I'll be in Boston for a week, later this January, so my timezone is
>less
>> of a barrier. If you want to play an RPG, I'll be on the HPR Mumble
>> Server on this day:
>>
>> UTC: Wed, Jan 31 01:00 to 08:00
>> EST: Tue, Jan 30 20:00 to 03:00
>>
>> * We'll be crawling a HUGE dungeon without a story (unlike the series
>> Thaj, Lobath, and I did on HPR), so you can pop in or pop out
>whenever
>> is convenient for you. It won't affect the game at all.
>>
>> * No experience is required or expected. I'm happy to teach new
>players.
>>
>> * This is a game, and will be recorded (possibly released, possibly
>> not), Some chat is expected, but too much off-topic chatter should be
>> taken to another channel.
>>
>>
>> ## Here is what you need to do to prepare:
>>
>> 0. Download "Dungeon Raiders", a public domain clone of D 1st
>Edition,
>> from http://www.rpgnow.com/product_info.php?products_id=99366. It's
>$0,
>> but you can also support the publisher by throwing in a buck or two.
>>
>> 1. Create a character:
>> a. Choose a class (epub page 6 to 9)
>> b. If you're a magic user, review your spells (epub page 14+)
>>
>> 2. Get some dice or a dice roller app (or learn the random module of
>> Python, or similar)
>>
>> 3. Show up ready to play!
>>
>>
>> See you there!

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Re: [Hpr] Internet Archive move - TESTERS NEEDED

[x1101]

I tried to sign up for a gitlab account and did not get a confirmation email. 
So as to provide you the feedback now, before I begin trying to deal with that:

I was able to add the podcast and download it correctly via PocketCasts (on 
Android) (PlayStore)
> On Dec 11, 2017, at 11:22 AM, Ken Fallon  wrote:
> 
> Please paste this into your podcatcher of choice and tell us how you get on.
> 
> http://hackerpublicradio.org/test.xml
> 
> If you could comment on the ticket that would be great !
> 
> https://gitlab.anhonesthost.com/HPR/HPR_Public_Code/issues/31
> 
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Re: [Hpr] Permission to modify the show notes

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I can’t think of a good reason why not. 

I know folks have the option of releasing shows not CC-BY-SA, but have they? If 
so, do we have a way to identify them and exclude them from editing?

Also, for what its worth, I am herby explicitly giving the HPR admins 
permission to modify my show note as needed.


/x1101
> On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Ken Fallon <k...@fallon.ie> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> As you know we are going back over the old shows to add tags for
> Archive.org. Nearly all the shows need tags, and summaries. Some even
> need show notes, or to be placed in series. You can help - see the main
> page for more information.
> 
> In the process of doing it I was thinking it would be a good idea to do
> a bit of housekeeping on them. For example, fix the html, check the
> links still work and point to where the host originally intended, etc.
> 
> I was asking Dave (who's leading this) what we should do if the show
> notes need correcting. For example a show may benefit from having
> "Google Reader was shut down on July 1, 2013, but this show is of
> historical interest." _still not over that one :)_
> 
> The license is cc-by-sa, so we are allowed to do "derivative works" on
> the show notes. To be honest most of the early shows didn't have show
> notes so they were often added by the admins.
> 
> Our current policy as is defined in "hpr2210 :: On Freedom of Speech and
> Censorship" would seem to allow us to do this.
> http://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=2210
> 
> So the question is are we allowed to modify show notes ?
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Re: [Hpr] Scotch tape, biros, Hoovers and Xerox machines

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> On Dec 14, 2016, at 1:06 PM, Mike Ray  wrote:
> 
> Hello Spaceman,
> 
> Have you ever said 'Scotch tape' when you've been using Sellotape or a
> sticky clear tape of some other brand?
> 
> Have you ever said 'Biro' to refer to a ball point pen of another brand?
> 
> Do you ever say Hoover when you really mean 'vacuum cleaner'?
> 
> Do you say 'Xerox' when you mean photocpier, possibly made by Canon or
> some make other than Xerox?
> 
> I suspect the answer to at least one of those questions is a resounding
> yes.  Especially when Xerox is so common a term on the left side of the
> puddle.
> 
> If so you're a c***.
> 
> Mike
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> http://www.raspberryvi.org/
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Re: [Hpr] Spaceman

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I want to be clear that I don't actually enjoy vulgarity for the sake of 
vulgarity. It definitely dilutes the content.


On Dec 13, 2016, Mike Ray <m...@raspberryvi.org> wrote:
>On 13/12/2016 18:58, Dave Lee wrote:
>> I have to disagree with this to a point.
>>
>> I think that having an explicit tag for the odd contextual swear word
>is
>> fine, and I may want to listen to those episodes, so I'm not going to
>> filter out episodes on the basis of the explicit tag.  However,
>having just
>> listened to the episode in question, I would not want to listen to
>> gratuitous swearing for the sake of swearing, or - in this case -
>name
>> calling.
>>
>> The language doesn't bother me, but the (and I think this term was
>used in
>> the episode comments) _aggressive_ nature of the language used - e.g.
>> "you're a political f---wit", and the very offensive use of the term
>> "retard".
>>
>> I do believe that spaceman was making a really good point, but I
>think it
>> ended up being diluted by the tone used.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 6:50 PM x1101 <x1...@gmx.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I concur, HPR is a network for people to express themselves, and
>while I
>>> strongly believe in a censorship-free HPR, that doesn’t mean that we
>have
>>> the right to force someone to listen to explicit material if they do
>not
>>> wish to. This ‘explicit’ tag gives people a piece of information to
>make
>>> that choice for themselves. I know that I will always tag my shows
>as
>>> ‘explicit’, because I don’t keep track of my language. While I
>appreciate
>>> that there are other things that folks might find offensive outside
>of
>>> technically explicit language, its a good start.
>>>
>>> Keep the vulgarity, keep the tag, and let us all decide for
>ourselves what
>>> we want to produce and what we want to listen to.
>>>
>>> /x1101
>
>I'm not offended by bad language.  Too many people troll the internet
>and social media in particular just looking for something to be
>offended
>by so that they can get what they think is their fifteen minutes of
>fame
>thanks to lazy journalists who just think they can make a few bucks by
>knowing how to copy and paste.
>
>But when almost every word begins with 'f' and ends either with 'uck'
>or
>'ucking' it just gets boring and the content is diluted to the point
>where I press the delete button.
>
>I would have thought there were far more suitable subjects than whether
>to say 'Linux' or 'GNU/Linux' that deserve such a tirade, like systemd
>taking over the world for example.
>
>Let's have less f***ing and more hacking.
>
>Mike

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Re: [Hpr] Spaceman

[x1101]

The question is, how to do we provide information to you (and others) that this 
might contain “aggressive” language, while not restricting what folks say? Do 
we add a “very explicit” tag? An Explicit-o-meter™? I can’t help but feel that 
if the answer we come up with is “censorship” then we need to go back and find 
another one. 

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Re: [Hpr] HPR on Google Play Podcast

[x1101]

I checked with the play music app. Here's the URL generated.

https://play.google.com/music/m/Igrhzh3izdb5qxv536ii6qpbgv4?t=Hacker_Public_Radio

/x1101

On Jun 10, 2016, Jon Miles <jondoelocksm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>No, I was unable to do it in browser. Seems to be a purely in-app item.
>OTOH, if one were to have a "US-Based" Gmail account, one might be able
>to
>access the app from a "vacation locale"
>On Jun 10, 2016 4:55 AM, "Ken Fallon" <k...@fallon.ie> wrote:
>
>> On 2016-06-08 22:36, Jon Miles wrote:
>> > Screenshots attached
>> >
>>
>> Thanks a million.
>>
>> Was there a url / qrcode with that ?
>>
>>
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Re: [Hpr] Git repository

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On Jun 4, 2015, Ken Fallon k...@fallon.ie wrote:
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On 2015-06-04 14:52, Steve Engledow wrote:
 Is there a good reason to not use their SaaS offering at gitlab.com?
 
 Steve

Well we were running it on a SaaS namely Gitorious and it shut down, as
has Google Code, both have come and gone in HPR's life time. Then there
is the shenanigans going on over at sourceforge. Not a fantastic track
record for SaaS. That said, I would prefer not to maintain a project
myself.

The clear winner for me at least is to use the gitlab instance run by
anhonesthost.com. This way we get to use gitlab, and have support at a
price that can't be bet (namely gratis), with excellent support (namely
Josh).

Anyway it's Git so clone as often and in as many places as possible.


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These are all fair points, which I fully support. Also, once its up I'll 
happily clone away!

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Re: [Hpr] Next HPR_AudioBookClub

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On Mar 23, 2015, Ken Fallon k...@fallon.ie wrote:
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On 2015-03-11 04:07, Patrick Dailey wrote:
 The next HPR_AudioBookClub will be April 14 8:00PM

 Instead of an audiobook, we are reviewing an episodic Fan Fic series
 this time. The series is the first nine episodes of Star Trek:
 Continuing Mission found at-
 http://www.startrekcontinuingmission.com/#episodes
 Please join us via Mumble at:
 server: ch1.teamspeak.cc http://ch1.teamspeak.cc
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Hi All,

Thanks to the good folks over at Star Trek: The Continuing Mission,
the RSS url is available at:
http://startrekcontinuingmission.com/sttcm.xml

I put this one liner together, with the hope that it help you download.
You will need xmlstarlet installed.

wget -O - http://startrekcontinuingmission.com/sttcm.xml | xmlstarlet
sel -T -t -m '/rss/channel/item' -v 'concat(pubDate, _HPR_,
enclosure/@url)' -n - | while read episode;do EP_URL=$(echo ${episode}
|
awk -F '_HPR_' '{print $2}'); EP_NAME=sttcm_$(\date --date=$(echo
${episode} | awk -F '_HPR_' '{print $1}' ) -u
+%Y-%m-%d_%H-%M-%SZ)_$(basename ${EP_URL});  wget -O ${EP_NAME}
${EP_URL};done

I deliberately made it so ugly so that the real coders out there would
get so annoyed that they would contribute a show describing what I did
wrong and how it could be improved.

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Once again, Ken is my hero. I've been look for the correct RSS URL for nigh 2 
weeks. I was about to make my own, rather ugly,  XML file for it.

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Re: [Hpr] 25 Days since anyone uploaded a show

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On Sep 20, 2014, David Whitman davidglennwhit...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd love at times to just be able to grab someone from #oggcastplanet,
jump
on mumble and ask 'dumb' questions and make a short episode. Lots of
time I
lack some basics of understanding and while I can RTFM why not AAFG
(ask a
fg geek)? I happen to know this has happened for one episode. And
that
episode spawned at least 2 more.


Anyone up for this?

PS - anyone out there understand the electromagnetic spectrum? :-)

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Nigel Verity nigelver...@hotmail.com
wrote:

 Hi Ken

 I imagine that, more often than not, the first you know about a show
is
 when it arrives on the HPR server, or the originator asks for the FTP
 details, This can't be very helpful from a planning perspective.

 Perhaps this mailing list could provide a mechanism for people
pledging
 shows for delivery over the coming weeks. Setting a target week
rather than
 a specific date is probably sufficient granularity. Clearly it can't
be
 binding, but I'm sure most people would take a pledge to deliver
seriously.
 It would also give advance notice of forthcoming subjects, which in
itself
 may inspire others.

 Just a thought.

 Regards

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  Hi All,
 
  Earlier this year we had a big push to get shows and the queue was
  never as healthy. Unfortunately that has the effect of taking the
  pressure off and so we now have had a period of 25 days since the
last
  show was uploaded. There are still 13 days until we start to have
real
  problems but I want to avoid a all out call for HPR needs shows
now.
 
  Those types of campaigns are useful in getting in shows to keep the
  network going in the short term, and in promoting HPR. But in the
end
  they cause as much harm as they do good. Once the immediate need
for
  shows is met, the flood that follows fills up the queue so much
that
  everyone walks away thinking well that's fixed. Time marches on
and
  then we have no submissions and a month later we need to start
begging
  again.
 
  I would like to have suggestions on how to break this boom to bust
  cycle of show submissions. We need to see a steady trickle of shows
  where there is equilibrium between the supply and demand. Those
with
  an insight into the theory of the problem are encouraged to submit
a
  show on the topic.
 
  I need the people on this list to start recording some shows for
  uploading in the next week or two to meet the immediate need.
However
  please do not put out a call for shows. What we need is a call for
new
  hosts and/or new series, and/or new ideas for how we can get a nice
  steady stream so that supply meets demand.
 
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I think this is an excellent idea for a recurring series.

If people like this idea we can try to work out a way to connect people with 
questions and people willing to answer them as a recording.

I'd love to chat with someone who knows about creating custom installs of 
python with portions if the stdlib removed for size reasons.
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Re: [Hpr] Next two AudioBookClub books

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As a test I uploaded the file Dave provided to my site (and change the 
extension to xml) and it works perfectly.

Nicely done Dave!

It's located here for now: http://x1101.net/podcast/stardri.xml

I can take it down in the future if you like.

/x1101

On Aug 1, 2014, Dave Morriss perl...@autistici.org wrote:
On 01/08/14 20:48, lostnbronx wrote:
 A fixed feed would be greatly appreciated!  I confess I don't really
 understand RSS very well.  It probably shows.

:-)

Whenever I think I understand RSS I discover I don't. For example, I
got
confused earlier between the link (a mandatory hyperlink to the item)
and guid (an optional unique identifier for the item).

There's a good tutorial at http://www.w3schools.com/RSS/rss_intro.asp
if
you ever want to check out this stuff.

Anyway, I have attached a little Perl script (for reference, and in
case
you want to run it), and the result of running it on your mp3 feed. I
simply took the link URL and made it an enclosure. I also did so when
there was already an enclosure.

If this isn't good then tell me and I'll hack it some more. I'll do a
quick and dirty hack for the ogg feed too, but will not clog the list
with that one.

 I was using archive.org for hosting until about half-way through the
 production of the audiobook, but then they changed in their uploading
 interface (after all these years), and I suddenly couldn't get into
my
 account anymore.  Getting technical help out of them is like
wandering
 in the desert, so I decided to put everything on a shared server
slice
 that I can control.  I redid the entire feed at that time, but I
guess
 I did it wrong.

I sympathise. I got some great help from them for a while then all went
quiet. It's a shame because what they are doing in the Internet Archive
is truly wonderful.

 BTW, I use Listgarden to generate the feeds.  There's probably a way
 to get the enclosure tag in there.  I'll look into it for the
 future.

I don't know I'm afraid. Worst case, a quick and dirty Perl script can
solve many problems, and the XML::RSS module is your friend :-)

Dave

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Re: [Hpr] Should we publish the HPR downloads stats ?

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I think showing downloads per show is excellent. It will give hpr folks at 
conferences a good estimate to tell folks that their show could be heard by x 
people on average.

On Jun 2, 2014, Ken Fallon k...@fallon.ie wrote:
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Hi All,

Should we include the number of downloads an episode gets on the
website ?

Some points to note:
- - The logs are generated every month so it would be from month to
month.
- - hits are defined as 1 download per show per ip per day.

We don't have any logs before Sep-2010 so do we
a) ignore shows before that date even though they have been downloaded
since then ?
b) calculate some guesstimate for a base and add the downloads we do
know about.

My own main objection to doing this is that downloads are not a measure
of worth of the show.

Discuss.

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Re: [Hpr] Just 2 more shows left

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I for one didn't mind JKPR last summer!

On May 14, 2014, Jon Kulp jk...@freedommail.co wrote:
Ok I uploaded a show last night. Safe for one more day anyway haha! 

I have ideas for a few more. I don't want it to be all jon kulp radio
again though like it was for awhile last year.

 Jon



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Re: [Hpr] HPR_AudioBookClub

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Things look good here for me to join in.

@Pokey, can you send me the details of *how* exactly to do that?

On May 9, 2014, x1101 x1...@gmx.com wrote:
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I'm checking my calendar (read, asking my wife) to make sure, but I've
consumed the book and am hoping to make it.

On May 9, 2014, Ken Fallon k...@fallon.ie wrote:
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Already finished the book but I won't be able to make the recording
due to the fact that it's in the middle of the night.

Ken.

On 2014-05-09 21:14, Patrick Dailey wrote:
 Thanks, Charles. It seems like people just keep getting busier and
 busier these days. I certainly feel that way about my own schedule.
 If ever you can make one, you're more than welcome.


 On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Charles Thayer cati...@yahoo.com
 mailto:cati...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I have trouble making and keeping plans for live events these
 days, so I could not even commit to having listened to this book in
 time for the recording.

 Sorry.

 Someone asked me whether my units series could cover distances on
 a galactic scale, such as astronomical units, light years,
 parsecs, and so on. That would require a preliminary show on rates
 of speed and reckoning distances from indirect evidence, and then
 developing the space distances from that basis.  Since Neil
 deGrasse Tyson got me into this situation with his Cosmos series,
 we should get him to do that show.

 I'm sure he could fit that into his schedule. nose grows 2 cm

 Now that would increase our listener base... I don't think it
 would bring in many new hosts, but you never know.

 Charles in NJ


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 On May 9, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Patrick Dailey pdaile...@gmail.com
 mailto:pdaile...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey, all. As of today no one has said that they plan to be at
 the
 next AudioBookClub recording. No one has said that they won't be
 there either, so I don't know where we stand. If I've picked a bad
 time to record the show, someone please tell me.

 There was only one other person (Colin) on the last recording
 with
 me, and it was a good show (imo) because of him, but we could have
 definitely used more people. I believe the book club is (or at
 least should be) more about people than books. The idea behind the
 show was/is to encourage participation in HPR, and to lower the
 barrier to entry as much as possible. If it's not doing that, then
 I'm doing something wrong.

 I don't think the show should be a monologue or a book report,
 and
 I fear that we may be heading in that direction. If anyone wants
 to help out, please let me know.

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