On 3/12/20, hpr-requ...@hackerpublicradio.org <hpr-requ...@hackerpublicradio.org> wrote: > Send Hpr mailing list submissions to > hpr@hackerpublicradio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > hpr-requ...@hackerpublicradio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > hpr-ow...@hackerpublicradio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Hpr digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. HPR Show Notes (Dave Morriss) > 2. Re: HPR Show Notes (Kevin O'Brien) > 3. Re: HPR Show Notes (jason) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 20:36:21 +0000 > From: Dave Morriss <perl...@autistici.org> > To: "hpr@hackerpublicradio.org" <hpr@hackerpublicradio.org> > Subject: [Hpr] HPR Show Notes > Message-ID: <eef156e3-d07d-b7a9-6e4e-00c742ace...@autistici.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi, > > There's an issue that bothers me from time to time: the longevity of HPR > shows. > > Many shows have notes that refer to external websites. Sometimes the > references are to supplementary material such as Amazon links, the site > with details of the thing being talked about, pictures or scripts made > by the host, links to Git (or other) repositories, etc. > > The issue is that HPR shows have a long life, and we want them to > continue to live on as long as possible -- with their notes. Currently > all shows are on the HPR website and 2000+ are on archive.org. The > oldest show is dated December 2007. In that sort of time scale external > references can disappear. > > If a referenced item is unavailable, and I spot it, I try and find it on > "The Wayback Machine" and make a copy on the HPR server. I then edit the > notes, comment out the original link and point to the copy, usually with > an "Editor's Note". This is quite a lot of work. > > Also, in order to make the archive.org copies of HPR shows as > self-contained as possible I have been copying all of the components and > adjusting notes to refer to these copies. The original method of > uploading just left the original links to the HPR site in the notes. > > Here are a few anecdotes that I remember that might clarify things: > > - A show on compilers by sigflup (1128) contained figures in the form of > JPEG images which had vanished. The images were on the Wayback Machine, > and were copied as described. > > - Jon Kulp's show 1282 contained a reference to an album of pictures on > his server. The server died but Jon was able to recover the pictures. I > placed them on the HPR server and referenced them from the episode. > > - My own show 1204 contained links to a repository on Gitorious, which > has since disappeared. I edited my notes to refer to the the copy of the > repo which I had made on GitLab. > > So, here's my request: can we make efforts to reduce the "vulnerability" > of shows to unavailable links in the future? > > Discuss please :-) > > Dave > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 18:35:19 -0400 > From: "Kevin O'Brien" <zwil...@zwilnik.com> > To: Dave Morriss <perl...@autistici.org> > Cc: "hpr@hackerpublicradio.org" <hpr@hackerpublicradio.org> > Subject: Re: [Hpr] HPR Show Notes > Message-ID: > <cag9pf7fqhjc4w7ad9gzwybsvg_ar3npk88qornnz-3ucam2...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > To some degree I think this is unavoidable. I have a WordPress plugin that > tells me when a link no longer works, and initially I tried to keep up with > fixing them. But it would end up taking too much of my time. I have just > given up. People need to understand that older pages have links that no > longer work. > > Regards, > > > -- > Kevin B. O'Brien > z <ahuka5...@gmail.com>wil...@zwilnik.com > http://google.me/+kevinobrien > http://www.google.com/profiles/Ahuka5656 > http://about.me/zwilnik > ?People shouldn't be afraid of their government. Governments should be > afraid of their people.? - Alan Moore, *V for Vendetta* > *Public Key = F6283E7A <https://pgp.mit.edu/>* > > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:36 PM Dave Morriss <perl...@autistici.org> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> There's an issue that bothers me from time to time: the longevity of HPR >> shows. >> >> Many shows have notes that refer to external websites. Sometimes the >> references are to supplementary material such as Amazon links, the site >> with details of the thing being talked about, pictures or scripts made >> by the host, links to Git (or other) repositories, etc. >> >> The issue is that HPR shows have a long life, and we want them to >> continue to live on as long as possible -- with their notes. Currently >> all shows are on the HPR website and 2000+ are on archive.org. The >> oldest show is dated December 2007. In that sort of time scale external >> references can disappear. >> >> If a referenced item is unavailable, and I spot it, I try and find it on >> "The Wayback Machine" and make a copy on the HPR server. I then edit the >> notes, comment out the original link and point to the copy, usually with >> an "Editor's Note". This is quite a lot of work. >> >> Also, in order to make the archive.org copies of HPR shows as >> self-contained as possible I have been copying all of the components and >> adjusting notes to refer to these copies. The original method of >> uploading just left the original links to the HPR site in the notes. >> >> Here are a few anecdotes that I remember that might clarify things: >> >> - A show on compilers by sigflup (1128) contained figures in the form of >> JPEG images which had vanished. The images were on the Wayback Machine, >> and were copied as described. >> >> - Jon Kulp's show 1282 contained a reference to an album of pictures on >> his server. The server died but Jon was able to recover the pictures. I >> placed them on the HPR server and referenced them from the episode. >> >> - My own show 1204 contained links to a repository on Gitorious, which >> has since disappeared. I edited my notes to refer to the the copy of the >> repo which I had made on GitLab. >> >> So, here's my request: can we make efforts to reduce the "vulnerability" >> of shows to unavailable links in the future? >> >> Discuss please :-) >> >> Dave >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hpr mailing list >> Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org >> http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://hackerpublicradio.org/pipermail/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org/attachments/20200312/918d0763/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 20:18:16 -0400 > From: jason <jason.s.d...@gmail.com> > To: hpr@hackerpublicradio.org > Subject: Re: [Hpr] HPR Show Notes > Message-ID: <cc38f17e-4bab-df5e-fbe7-ddde64fda...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > So my strategy of not providing show notes paid off! > > I'm going into hiding now. > > On 3/12/20 4:36 PM, Dave Morriss wrote: >> Hi, >> >> There's an issue that bothers me from time to time: the longevity of HPR >> shows. >> >> Many shows have notes that refer to external websites. Sometimes the >> references are to supplementary material such as Amazon links, the site >> with details of the thing being talked about, pictures or scripts made >> by the host, links to Git (or other) repositories, etc. >> >> The issue is that HPR shows have a long life, and we want them to >> continue to live on as long as possible -- with their notes. Currently >> all shows are on the HPR website and 2000+ are on archive.org. The >> oldest show is dated December 2007. In that sort of time scale external >> references can disappear. >> >> If a referenced item is unavailable, and I spot it, I try and find it on >> "The Wayback Machine" and make a copy on the HPR server. I then edit the >> notes, comment out the original link and point to the copy, usually with >> an "Editor's Note". This is quite a lot of work. >> >> Also, in order to make the archive.org copies of HPR shows as >> self-contained as possible I have been copying all of the components and >> adjusting notes to refer to these copies. The original method of >> uploading just left the original links to the HPR site in the notes. >> >> Here are a few anecdotes that I remember that might clarify things: >> >> - A show on compilers by sigflup (1128) contained figures in the form of >> JPEG images which had vanished. The images were on the Wayback Machine, >> and were copied as described. >> >> - Jon Kulp's show 1282 contained a reference to an album of pictures on >> his server. The server died but Jon was able to recover the pictures. I >> placed them on the HPR server and referenced them from the episode. >> >> - My own show 1204 contained links to a repository on Gitorious, which >> has since disappeared. I edited my notes to refer to the the copy of the >> repo which I had made on GitLab. >> >> So, here's my request: can we make efforts to reduce the "vulnerability" >> of shows to unavailable links in the future? >> >> Discuss please :-) >> >> Dave >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hpr mailing list >> Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org >> http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Hpr mailing list > Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org > http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Hpr Digest, Vol 138, Issue 1 > *********************************** >
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