Re: [I2nsf] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model-12: (with DISCUSS)
Hi Magnus, I sincerely appreciate your coordination. We authors will revise our draft according to a TSVART reviewer's comments. Thanks. Best Regards, Paul 2020년 9월 30일 (수) 오후 5:23, Magnus Westerlund 님이 작성: > Hi, > > I have requested a TSVART reviewer already, I think the WG will benefit > from the > feedback as soon as possible. > > Cheers > > Magnus > > On Mon, 2020-09-28 at 17:54 +, Roman Danyliw wrote: > > Hi Martin! > > > > This document has been (completely) removed from the upcoming telechat > agenda, > > and the document is back in the WG. It will come back only after > another the > > updates are done, another WG LC, IETC LC, Directorate review, etc. > > > > Roman > > > > From: I2nsf On Behalf Of Martin Duke > > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 1:42 PM > > To: Roman Danyliw > > Cc: draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-mo...@ietf.org; dunbar...@gmail.com; > > > i2nsf@ietf.org; Magnus Westerlund < > > magnus.westerlund=40ericsson....@dmarc.ietf.org>; i...@ietf.org; > > i2nsf-cha...@ietf.org; sha...@ndzh.com > > Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft-ietf-i2nsf- > > capability-data-model-12: (with DISCUSS) > > > > So do I understand correctly that this is going to defer from next > telechat, > > and I should review it at a later time? > > > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 8:18 AM Roman Danyliw wrote: > > > Hi Magnus! > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: I2nsf On Behalf Of Magnus Westerlund > > > > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 10:35 AM > > > > To: i...@ietf.org; sha...@ndzh.com > > > > Cc: i2nsf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-mo...@ietf.org; > > > > dunbar...@gmail.com; i2nsf-cha...@ietf.org > > > > Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft-ietf-i2nsf- > > > capability- > > > > data-model-12: (with DISCUSS) > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2020-09-25 at 11:08 -0400, Susan Hares wrote: > > > > > Magnus: > > > > > > > > > > Do you have specific transport people that you have assigned to > work > > > > > on this review? > > > > > > > > No, I missed that Roman had deferred this document and tried to look > at it > > > and > > > > was personally unable to review it due to lack of content of what was > > > intended. > > > > There are not enought there to even understand what the high level > purpose > > > > was for those features related to transport protocol. > > > > > > > > I think this should be reviewed by a TSVART reviewer. I have > requested a > > > > review, as this document was unfortuantely missed by the triage. > > > > > > The I2NSF chairs and I chatted earlier today to define a plan. I'm > going to > > > be sending the document back to the WG to digest all of the IESG > feedback; > > > and define an approach to harmonize the information and data model > drafts. > > > > > > When this comes back for IETF LC, I'll request a TSVART reviewer. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Roman > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would probably be more effective to discuss these issues point > by > > > > > point with the reviewers. > > > > > As Paul has indicated, we would like to your issues in the context > of > > > > > the high level capabilities of this model. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for letting us know you felt it was too high level and > did > > > > > not have text to map to transport layer values. Paul and his > students > > > > > have implemented this to specific transport layer values to our > view > > > that it > > > > > could be implemented.It is always difficult in a higher level > data > > > model > > > > > to determine how much detail to put in. We'd love to work this > issue > > > with > > > > > your expert. > > > > > > > > Yes, I most definitely thought it was only alluding to some function > > > related to > > > > particular protocol. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > Magnus Westerlund > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [I2nsf] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model-12: (with DISCUSS)
Hi, I have requested a TSVART reviewer already, I think the WG will benefit from the feedback as soon as possible. Cheers Magnus On Mon, 2020-09-28 at 17:54 +, Roman Danyliw wrote: > Hi Martin! > > This document has been (completely) removed from the upcoming telechat agenda, > and the document is back in the WG. It will come back only after another the > updates are done, another WG LC, IETC LC, Directorate review, etc. > > Roman > > From: I2nsf On Behalf Of Martin Duke > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 1:42 PM > To: Roman Danyliw > Cc: draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-mo...@ietf.org; dunbar...@gmail.com; > i2nsf@ietf.org; Magnus Westerlund < > magnus.westerlund=40ericsson@dmarc.ietf.org>; i...@ietf.org; > i2nsf-cha...@ietf.org; sha...@ndzh.com > Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft-ietf-i2nsf- > capability-data-model-12: (with DISCUSS) > > So do I understand correctly that this is going to defer from next telechat, > and I should review it at a later time? > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 8:18 AM Roman Danyliw wrote: > > Hi Magnus! > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: I2nsf On Behalf Of Magnus Westerlund > > > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 10:35 AM > > > To: i...@ietf.org; sha...@ndzh.com > > > Cc: i2nsf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-mo...@ietf.org; > > > dunbar...@gmail.com; i2nsf-cha...@ietf.org > > > Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft-ietf-i2nsf- > > capability- > > > data-model-12: (with DISCUSS) > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Fri, 2020-09-25 at 11:08 -0400, Susan Hares wrote: > > > > Magnus: > > > > > > > > Do you have specific transport people that you have assigned to work > > > > on this review? > > > > > > No, I missed that Roman had deferred this document and tried to look at it > > and > > > was personally unable to review it due to lack of content of what was > > intended. > > > There are not enought there to even understand what the high level purpose > > > was for those features related to transport protocol. > > > > > > I think this should be reviewed by a TSVART reviewer. I have requested a > > > review, as this document was unfortuantely missed by the triage. > > > > The I2NSF chairs and I chatted earlier today to define a plan. I'm going to > > be sending the document back to the WG to digest all of the IESG feedback; > > and define an approach to harmonize the information and data model drafts. > > > > When this comes back for IETF LC, I'll request a TSVART reviewer. > > > > Regards, > > Roman > > > > > > > > > > It would probably be more effective to discuss these issues point by > > > > point with the reviewers. > > > > As Paul has indicated, we would like to your issues in the context of > > > > the high level capabilities of this model. > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for letting us know you felt it was too high level and did > > > > not have text to map to transport layer values. Paul and his students > > > > have implemented this to specific transport layer values to our view > > that it > > > > could be implemented.It is always difficult in a higher level data > > model > > > > to determine how much detail to put in. We'd love to work this issue > > with > > > > your expert. > > > > > > Yes, I most definitely thought it was only alluding to some function > > related to > > > particular protocol. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Magnus Westerlund > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Networks, Ericsson Research > > > -- > > > Ericsson AB | Mobile +46 73 0949079 > > > Torshamnsgatan 23 | > > > SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerl...@ericsson.com > > > -- > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > I2nsf mailing list > > > I2nsf@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > > -- Cheers Magnus Westerlund -- Networks, Ericsson Research -- Ericsson AB | Mobile +46 73 0949079 Torshamnsgatan 23 | SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerl...@ericsson.com -- ___ I2nsf mailing list I2nsf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf
Re: [I2nsf] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model-12: (with DISCUSS)
Hi Martin! This document has been (completely) removed from the upcoming telechat agenda, and the document is back in the WG. It will come back only after another the updates are done, another WG LC, IETC LC, Directorate review, etc. Roman From: I2nsf On Behalf Of Martin Duke Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 1:42 PM To: Roman Danyliw Cc: draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-mo...@ietf.org; dunbar...@gmail.com; i2nsf@ietf.org; Magnus Westerlund ; i...@ietf.org; i2nsf-cha...@ietf.org; sha...@ndzh.com Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model-12: (with DISCUSS) So do I understand correctly that this is going to defer from next telechat, and I should review it at a later time? On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 8:18 AM Roman Danyliw mailto:r...@cert.org>> wrote: Hi Magnus! > -Original Message- > From: I2nsf mailto:i2nsf-boun...@ietf.org>> On Behalf > Of Magnus Westerlund > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 10:35 AM > To: i...@ietf.org<mailto:i...@ietf.org>; > sha...@ndzh.com<mailto:sha...@ndzh.com> > Cc: i2nsf@ietf.org<mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org>; > draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-mo...@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-mo...@ietf.org>; > dunbar...@gmail.com<mailto:dunbar...@gmail.com>; > i2nsf-cha...@ietf.org<mailto:i2nsf-cha...@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on > draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability- > data-model-12: (with DISCUSS) > > Hi, > > On Fri, 2020-09-25 at 11:08 -0400, Susan Hares wrote: > > Magnus: > > > > Do you have specific transport people that you have assigned to work > > on this review? > > No, I missed that Roman had deferred this document and tried to look at it and > was personally unable to review it due to lack of content of what was > intended. > There are not enought there to even understand what the high level purpose > was for those features related to transport protocol. > > I think this should be reviewed by a TSVART reviewer. I have requested a > review, as this document was unfortuantely missed by the triage. The I2NSF chairs and I chatted earlier today to define a plan. I'm going to be sending the document back to the WG to digest all of the IESG feedback; and define an approach to harmonize the information and data model drafts. When this comes back for IETF LC, I'll request a TSVART reviewer. Regards, Roman > > > > It would probably be more effective to discuss these issues point by > > point with the reviewers. > > As Paul has indicated, we would like to your issues in the context of > > the high level capabilities of this model. > > > > > Thank you for letting us know you felt it was too high level and did > > not have text to map to transport layer values. Paul and his students > > have implemented this to specific transport layer values to our view that it > > could be implemented.It is always difficult in a higher level data model > > to determine how much detail to put in. We'd love to work this issue with > > your expert. > > Yes, I most definitely thought it was only alluding to some function related > to > particular protocol. > > Cheers > > Magnus Westerlund > > > -- > Networks, Ericsson Research > -- > Ericsson AB | Mobile +46 73 0949079 > Torshamnsgatan 23 | > SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: > magnus.westerl...@ericsson.com<mailto:magnus.westerl...@ericsson.com> > -- > > > ___ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org<mailto:I2nsf@ietf.org> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf ___ I2nsf mailing list I2nsf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf
Re: [I2nsf] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model-12: (with DISCUSS)
So do I understand correctly that this is going to defer from next telechat, and I should review it at a later time? On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 8:18 AM Roman Danyliw wrote: > Hi Magnus! > > > -Original Message- > > From: I2nsf On Behalf Of Magnus Westerlund > > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 10:35 AM > > To: i...@ietf.org; sha...@ndzh.com > > Cc: i2nsf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-mo...@ietf.org; > > dunbar...@gmail.com; i2nsf-cha...@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on > draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability- > > data-model-12: (with DISCUSS) > > > > Hi, > > > > On Fri, 2020-09-25 at 11:08 -0400, Susan Hares wrote: > > > Magnus: > > > > > > Do you have specific transport people that you have assigned to work > > > on this review? > > > > No, I missed that Roman had deferred this document and tried to look at > it and > > was personally unable to review it due to lack of content of what was > intended. > > There are not enought there to even understand what the high level > purpose > > was for those features related to transport protocol. > > > > I think this should be reviewed by a TSVART reviewer. I have requested a > > review, as this document was unfortuantely missed by the triage. > > The I2NSF chairs and I chatted earlier today to define a plan. I'm going > to be sending the document back to the WG to digest all of the IESG > feedback; and define an approach to harmonize the information and data > model drafts. > > When this comes back for IETF LC, I'll request a TSVART reviewer. > > Regards, > Roman > > > > > > > It would probably be more effective to discuss these issues point by > > > point with the reviewers. > > > As Paul has indicated, we would like to your issues in the context of > > > the high level capabilities of this model. > > > > > > > > Thank you for letting us know you felt it was too high level and did > > > not have text to map to transport layer values. Paul and his students > > > have implemented this to specific transport layer values to our view > that it > > > could be implemented.It is always difficult in a higher level data > model > > > to determine how much detail to put in. We'd love to work this issue > with > > > your expert. > > > > Yes, I most definitely thought it was only alluding to some function > related to > > particular protocol. > > > > Cheers > > > > Magnus Westerlund > > > > > > -- > > Networks, Ericsson Research > > -- > > Ericsson AB | Mobile +46 73 0949079 > > Torshamnsgatan 23 | > > SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerl...@ericsson.com > > -- > > > > > > ___ > > I2nsf mailing list > > I2nsf@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > > ___ I2nsf mailing list I2nsf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf
Re: [I2nsf] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model-12: (with DISCUSS)
Hi Magnus! > -Original Message- > From: I2nsf On Behalf Of Magnus Westerlund > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 10:35 AM > To: i...@ietf.org; sha...@ndzh.com > Cc: i2nsf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-mo...@ietf.org; > dunbar...@gmail.com; i2nsf-cha...@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on > draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability- > data-model-12: (with DISCUSS) > > Hi, > > On Fri, 2020-09-25 at 11:08 -0400, Susan Hares wrote: > > Magnus: > > > > Do you have specific transport people that you have assigned to work > > on this review? > > No, I missed that Roman had deferred this document and tried to look at it and > was personally unable to review it due to lack of content of what was > intended. > There are not enought there to even understand what the high level purpose > was for those features related to transport protocol. > > I think this should be reviewed by a TSVART reviewer. I have requested a > review, as this document was unfortuantely missed by the triage. The I2NSF chairs and I chatted earlier today to define a plan. I'm going to be sending the document back to the WG to digest all of the IESG feedback; and define an approach to harmonize the information and data model drafts. When this comes back for IETF LC, I'll request a TSVART reviewer. Regards, Roman > > > > It would probably be more effective to discuss these issues point by > > point with the reviewers. > > As Paul has indicated, we would like to your issues in the context of > > the high level capabilities of this model. > > > > > Thank you for letting us know you felt it was too high level and did > > not have text to map to transport layer values. Paul and his students > > have implemented this to specific transport layer values to our view that it > > could be implemented.It is always difficult in a higher level data model > > to determine how much detail to put in. We'd love to work this issue with > > your expert. > > Yes, I most definitely thought it was only alluding to some function related > to > particular protocol. > > Cheers > > Magnus Westerlund > > > -- > Networks, Ericsson Research > -- > Ericsson AB | Mobile +46 73 0949079 > Torshamnsgatan 23 | > SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerl...@ericsson.com > -- > > > ___ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf ___ I2nsf mailing list I2nsf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf
Re: [I2nsf] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model-12: (with DISCUSS)
Hi, On Fri, 2020-09-25 at 11:08 -0400, Susan Hares wrote: > Magnus: > > Do you have specific transport people that you have assigned to work on this > review? No, I missed that Roman had deferred this document and tried to look at it and was personally unable to review it due to lack of content of what was intended. There are not enought there to even understand what the high level purpose was for those features related to transport protocol. I think this should be reviewed by a TSVART reviewer. I have requested a review, as this document was unfortuantely missed by the triage. > > It would probably be more effective to discuss these issues point by point > with the reviewers. > As Paul has indicated, we would like to your issues in the context of the > high level capabilities of this model. > > Thank you for letting us know you felt it was too high level and did not > have text to map to transport layer values. Paul and his students have > implemented this to specific transport layer values to our view that it > could be implemented.It is always difficult in a higher level data model > to determine how much detail to put in. We'd love to work this issue with > your expert. Yes, I most definitely thought it was only alluding to some function related to particular protocol. Cheers Magnus Westerlund -- Networks, Ericsson Research -- Ericsson AB | Mobile +46 73 0949079 Torshamnsgatan 23 | SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerl...@ericsson.com -- ___ I2nsf mailing list I2nsf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf
Re: [I2nsf] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model-12: (with DISCUSS)
Magnus: Do you have specific transport people that you have assigned to work on this review? It would probably be more effective to discuss these issues point by point with the reviewers. As Paul has indicated, we would like to your issues in the context of the high level capabilities of this model. Thank you for letting us know you felt it was too high level and did not have text to map to transport layer values. Paul and his students have implemented this to specific transport layer values to our view that it could be implemented.It is always difficult in a higher level data model to determine how much detail to put in. We'd love to work this issue with your expert. Cheers, Sue -Original Message- From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Magnus Westerlund via Datatracker Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 9:49 AM To: The IESG Cc: i2nsf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-mo...@ietf.org; dunbar...@gmail.com; i2nsf-cha...@ietf.org Subject: [I2nsf] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model-12: (with DISCUSS) Magnus Westerlund has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model-12: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model/ -- DISCUSS: -- I support Benjamin's discuss on the lack of semantics. It is impossible to review the transport related parameters for correctness as they lack the semantics to understand if they do map to protocol values. This discuss is more a place holder to be aware that this document needs to re-reviewed after having addressed by transport people. ___ I2nsf mailing list I2nsf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf ___ I2nsf mailing list I2nsf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf
[I2nsf] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model-12: (with DISCUSS)
Magnus Westerlund has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model-12: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model/ -- DISCUSS: -- I support Benjamin's discuss on the lack of semantics. It is impossible to review the transport related parameters for correctness as they lack the semantics to understand if they do map to protocol values. This discuss is more a place holder to be aware that this document needs to re-reviewed after having addressed by transport people. ___ I2nsf mailing list I2nsf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf
