[IAEP] Add Fedora logo to Sugar
From http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Eben#Tasks: Add Fedora logo to Sugar We've agreed to include the Fedora logo in our Sugar distributions. (Is this an OLPC agreement, or something SugarLabs should be doing in general?) I've added some thoughts to the ticket (Trac #8767) , but I'd like to get some more feedback and finalize a plan so this doesn't become a last-minute problem. ~~~ SugarLabs wants to help distributions ship Sugar but isn't in the distribution business itself. Distributions are free to take the code we release and modify it at will to better suit their interests. Now, if distros want to be able to incorporate their brands in the Sugar UI and would prefer not to have to apply their own patches to every release, we could devise some way for distros to brand their Sugars without patching code. Distro people: what would you like to do regarding branding? Thanks, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Add Fedora logo to Sugar
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 15:34, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Eben#Tasks: Add Fedora logo to Sugar We've agreed to include the Fedora logo in our Sugar distributions. (Is this an OLPC agreement, or something SugarLabs should be doing in general?) I've added some thoughts to the ticket (Trac #8767) , but I'd like to get some more feedback and finalize a plan so this doesn't become a last-minute problem. ~~~ SugarLabs wants to help distributions ship Sugar but isn't in the distribution business itself. Distributions are free to take the code we release and modify it at will to better suit their interests. Now, if distros want to be able to incorporate their brands in the Sugar UI and would prefer not to have to apply their own patches to every release, we could devise some way for distros to brand their Sugars without patching code. Distro people: what would you like to do regarding branding? I'm quite happy with carrying a patch in the ubuntu packages, and I'm sure it would be no problem for debian either. Ubuntu has its logo on the GNOME panel with the Applications menu, so seems equivalent to that. I think it would be good if the Sugar tarball releases carry no specific logo by default (or perhaps a Sugar Labs logo?) with each distro including OLPC patching in their desired logo. That would ensure there is a well documented method to do the patch. Regards Morgan ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Add Fedora logo to Sugar
I've been pondering how to put this forward. I have not the intention of causing disruption, however I think this subject is very important. I was surprised that our main UI metaphor - a CHILD, the center of activities... a Symbol for Interacting and Sharing... would be restricted for our use as a community movement. Suddendly the XO was more like a DELL logo rather than a child to me. It made me a bit uncomfortable to think OLPC (with its track record of wise community decisions) could tell what I could or could not do with a vanilla sugar system. But now we're expected to embed another Copyrighted, Trademarked logo, that carries no meaning or significance for our target audience, nor any possible use in the user interface. In order to avoid an all out misunderstanding flame, please inform yourself of a similar problem on this Debian Bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 So I think the healthiest thing is for Sugar to make an all out contest for a Sugar Person and/or Mascot for the UI, and refuse any branding requests made by any computer manufacturer or GNU distribution. Another colorful if symbolical solution would be for me to fork sugar (call it Honey) and use the Honey Badger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_badger) as our mascot (its sometimes refered to as Honey Weasel). By the way, I'm deploying largely on non OLPC hardware and not based on fedora quite soon. Really, at least a branch will have to exist for the rest of us? Sebastian 2008/12/6 Morgan Collett [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 15:34, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Eben#Tasks: Add Fedora logo to Sugar We've agreed to include the Fedora logo in our Sugar distributions. (Is this an OLPC agreement, or something SugarLabs should be doing in general?) I've added some thoughts to the ticket (Trac #8767) , but I'd like to get some more feedback and finalize a plan so this doesn't become a last-minute problem. ~~~ SugarLabs wants to help distributions ship Sugar but isn't in the distribution business itself. Distributions are free to take the code we release and modify it at will to better suit their interests. Now, if distros want to be able to incorporate their brands in the Sugar UI and would prefer not to have to apply their own patches to every release, we could devise some way for distros to brand their Sugars without patching code. Distro people: what would you like to do regarding branding? I'm quite happy with carrying a patch in the ubuntu packages, and I'm sure it would be no problem for debian either. Ubuntu has its logo on the GNOME panel with the Applications menu, so seems equivalent to that. I think it would be good if the Sugar tarball releases carry no specific logo by default (or perhaps a Sugar Labs logo?) with each distro including OLPC patching in their desired logo. That would ensure there is a well documented method to do the patch. Regards Morgan ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Sebastian Silva Iniciativa FuenteLibre http://blog.sebastiansilva.com/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs wiki
Is it possible to get an RSS feed from Trac and autogenate a todo list? I hate to duplicate tasks, they never stay in sync. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:14 PM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: The Sugar Labs wiki got a through working over this week. Done Every team has a coordinator. Every team has a mission. In progress Every team needs a todo List. Have you ever wanted to know what is going on in Sugar Labs? How you can help? Or how you can ask for help? Well the Sugar Labs todo list[1] is the place. I am starting to think that, with the exception of fun or cool stuff, if a task dosensn't have a name and date beside, it ain't going to happen:( So team leader, start working on those todo lists(or ask someone specific to work on the task list for your team). Question:Would somebody please work on the wikiteam todo list. Answer: silence Question: Dave, would you please work on the wikiteam todo list? Answer: mumbling under breath Uhmm, Sure Question: Dave, when can you have it done? Answer: mumbling under breath Next Friday. Response: Ok, I'll put you down. The Marketing team has some good examples. thanks david 1. http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/TODO PS. For those of you who like to work ahead, next week will be team visions. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Add Fedora logo to Sugar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Add Fedora logo to Sugar This is, I think, a misunderstanding. Kim says Sugar is supposed to include a fedora logo (they will provide), on the home screen and in the boot up text. If you look at the Visibility Guidelines document included in the bug, it contains two images, one of which shows the Fedora logo next to the bootup text, and one of which shows the Fedora logo next to the XO man in the ring. I suspect Kim's statement is based on these two images. I think Kim interpreted this to be the bootup screen and the home screen, but from my reading of the text, both images are meant to refer to the pre-X bootup sequence. One is text-mode boot, and the other is pretty boot. This is consistent with what I've understood from conversations with Greg and others: Fedora's branding will appear only during the boot sequence, which is not part of Glucose at all. In other words: don't worry about it. This has nothing to do with you. I could be wrong, of course, in which case I think we should simply let distributions patch as they please. It seems awfully silly for the Debian packages to be Fedora-branded. - --Ben -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkk6rSkACgkQUJT6e6HFtqSzTgCfaEFWdB5zCxBMmG2rxzfKsP70 ZB0AniAZY82IlZnDaig0+Url8YfnCYLy =3/DS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Add Fedora logo to Sugar
Perhaps GNU would be entirely more approprite (for the children). 2008/12/6 Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Add Fedora logo to Sugar This is, I think, a misunderstanding. Kim says Sugar is supposed to include a fedora logo (they will provide), on the home screen and in the boot up text. If you look at the Visibility Guidelines document included in the bug, it contains two images, one of which shows the Fedora logo next to the bootup text, and one of which shows the Fedora logo next to the XO man in the ring. I suspect Kim's statement is based on these two images. I think Kim interpreted this to be the bootup screen and the home screen, but from my reading of the text, both images are meant to refer to the pre-X bootup sequence. One is text-mode boot, and the other is pretty boot. This is consistent with what I've understood from conversations with Greg and others: Fedora's branding will appear only during the boot sequence, which is not part of Glucose at all. In other words: don't worry about it. This has nothing to do with you. I could be wrong, of course, in which case I think we should simply let distributions patch as they please. It seems awfully silly for the Debian packages to be Fedora-branded. - --Ben -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkk6rSkACgkQUJT6e6HFtqSzTgCfaEFWdB5zCxBMmG2rxzfKsP70 ZB0AniAZY82IlZnDaig0+Url8YfnCYLy =3/DS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Sebastian Silva Iniciativa FuenteLibre http://blog.sebastiansilva.com/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Add Fedora logo to Sugar
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:05, Sebastian Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Perhaps GNU would be entirely more approprite (for the children). Uh, why? It is, after all, a installation of RedHat's _Fedora_ OS (albiet with OLPC modifications). -lf ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Add Fedora logo to Sugar
2008/12/6 Luke Faraone [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:05, Sebastian Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, why? It is, after all, a installation of RedHat's _Fedora_ OS (albiet with OLPC modifications). To put it succinctly, actually, fedora is a distribution of GNU+Linux, a free operating system. Specifically, out of GNU+Linux, the Linux bit represents less than 1%. So if its about giving credit, then GNU *is* more appropriate. And why is it more so for children, well you are pointing them somewhere. Where do you want to point them? Don't get me wrong, fedora is a very nice special-interest community, but GNU is a cultural movement that basically made the entire ecosystem possible. If children visit GNU, they will learn about history and liberty. Unless you're expecting to get many patches and contributions to fedora from the children, perhaps in the interest of pedagogy and freedom in society, it is more appropriate to point them to GNU. In a more reconciliatory note, perhaps a swarm of logos might emerge, as bemasc suggested to me on our XO Chat: GNU, Linux, fedora, python, and all the rest of the pack. Sebastian -- Sebastian Silva Iniciativa FuenteLibre http://blog.sebastiansilva.com/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Add Fedora logo to Sugar
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:26, Sebastian Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2008/12/6 Luke Faraone [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:05, Sebastian Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, why? It is, after all, a installation of RedHat's _Fedora_ OS (albiet with OLPC modifications). To put it succinctly, actually, fedora is a distribution of GNU+Linux, a free operating system. Specifically, out of GNU+Linux, the Linux bit represents less than 1%. This is more of a religious war as well as a matter of preference; RH has chosen the Linux branding, while Debian (the only widely popular distro to do so) uses the GNU/ prefix. In a more reconciliatory note, perhaps a swarm of logos might emerge, as bemasc suggested to me on our XO Chat: GNU, Linux, fedora, python, and all the rest of the pack. Hm... we could have a link in the about my XO section that opens up a page in browse that describes all the components that make up the starch stack. -lf ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Add Fedora logo to Sugar
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:37, Simon Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:18:39 -0500 Sebastian Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was surprised that our main UI metaphor - a CHILD, the center of activities... a Symbol for Interacting and Sharing... would be restricted for our use as a community movement. Personally I am very supprised that the 'XO' child symbol would be limited in such a way. Do we have an offical word on this. But now we're expected to embed another Copyrighted, Trademarked logo, that carries no meaning or significance for our target audience, nor any possible use in the user interface. Any branding should be contained within optional packages (maybe which are distribution specific) so that they can be completely removed if need be. It would be trivial to create a index page, similar to the existing library indexer, which stitched together all of the component packages information. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Add Fedora logo to Sugar
2008/12/6 Luke Faraone [EMAIL PROTECTED]: To put it succinctly, actually, fedora is a distribution of GNU+Linux, a free operating system. Specifically, out of GNU+Linux, the Linux bit represents less than 1%. This is more of a religious war as well as a matter of preference; RH has chosen the Linux branding, while Debian (the only widely popular distro to do so) uses the GNU/ prefix. Yes, companies do that sort of thing with branding because of marketing. Still question remains, are you trying to be descriptive (this is what you're running) or attribute credit (these are the guys who made what you're running)? In either case, it could be argued fedora is not the optimal choice. Hm... we could have a link in the about my XO section that opens up a page in browse that describes all the components that make up the starch stack. Sure, only I'm pretty sure this is not what RedHat had in mind. -- Sebastian Silva Iniciativa FuenteLibre http://blog.sebastiansilva.com/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick - Can we give it away at FUDCOM and at the DC event Walter is going to?
Caroline, I think this is a great idea, given the low cost of flash drives, and the improvements in SoaS. At the K12 Open Minds conference, there were lots of people interested in Sugar LiveCDs after Walter gave his talk. People will take flash drives regardless, but they will be much more effective at marketing Sugar if the recipients have a basic understanding about Sugar and want to play around with it themselves. If they get the drive in a swag bag, a lot of the folks might just reformat it. I haven't tried the Fedora Live USB yet, but I would recommend that over the Ubuntu or LiveBackup variety for a FUDCON event ;-) If it is far technically inferior (which I doubt) then it would be another story. I don't think your third requirement is too hard. If you get a few people with laptops and USB hubs, I bet you can whip out a hundred in an hour or two. How many people are estimated to attend FUDCON? If we can't find a donor, we could buy a hundred 1 gb drives for $200 or so. I found this in five minutes of searching the web - http://www.buy.com/prod/transcend-1gb-jetflash-v30-usb-2-0-flash-drive-1-gb-usb-transcend-1gb/q/loc/101/202760447.html Of course, if this idea really takes off we could design a custom flash drive with our new Sugar Glider logo, but it would cost more money. Donated drives seems like the preferred solution. Thanks, Nate On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Caroline Meeks [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi, I think it would be cool to be able to give everyone SoaS USBs as Conference Swag at events where Sugar Labs is presenting. What do we need to do this? 1. A SoaS image we are proud of. I think we are almost there. 2. Lots of USB Sticks - Walter says he is making good progress on a donor. 3. A way to flash a hundred sticks in only an hour or two - Any ideas? Do other people think this is a useful thing to aim for in January? What activities make the best impression and should be on the Stick? What else should we think about to make such a give-away effective? -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Add Fedora logo to Sugar
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:45, Sebastian Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hm... we could have a link in the about my XO section that opens up a page in browse that describes all the components that make up the starch stack. Sure, only I'm pretty sure this is not what RedHat had in mind. Maybe not, but I am sure that we (or they) can produce something that satisfies all interested parties, explaining how great the Fedora distro is etc. while also giving credit to upstream. -lf ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Add Fedora logo
On 06.12.2008, at 17:49, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Add Fedora logo to Sugar This is, I think, a misunderstanding. Yes it is. I set reply-to to OLPC-devel, this does not concern Suagr. Kim says Sugar is supposed to include a fedora logo (they will provide), on the home screen and in the boot up text. If you look at the Visibility Guidelines document included in the bug, it contains two images, one of which shows the Fedora logo next to the bootup text, and one of which shows the Fedora logo next to the XO man in the ring. I suspect Kim's statement is based on these two images. I think Kim interpreted this to be the bootup screen and the home screen, but from my reading of the text, both images are meant to refer to the pre-X bootup sequence. One is text-mode boot, and the other is pretty boot. This is consistent with what I've understood from conversations with Greg and others: Fedora's branding will appear only during the boot sequence, which is not part of Glucose at all. In other words: don't worry about it. This has nothing to do with you. I could be wrong, of course, in which case I think we should simply let distributions patch as they please. It seems awfully silly for the Debian packages to be Fedora-branded. You are not wrong. The agreement linked to in the bug report clearly states that the Fedora branding is to be shown *during the boot process. Not after. I have added this to the bug report, but please someone more priviledged change the bug description: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8767 - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Add Fedora logo to Sugar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 at 12:38:48PM -0500, Luke Faraone wrote: On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:26, Sebastian Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2008/12/6 Luke Faraone [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:05, Sebastian Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, why? It is, after all, a installation of RedHat's _Fedora_ OS (albiet with OLPC modifications). To put it succinctly, actually, fedora is a distribution of GNU+Linux, a free operating system. Specifically, out of GNU+Linux, the Linux bit represents less than 1%. This is more of a religious war as well as a matter of preference; As I see it, Sebastian was describing facts, not preaching religion. I see no war - the two camps coexist peacefully these days. But indeed the differing preference in promotion is most probably related to different beliefs: Debian as a volunteer organisation believe more (but not only) in promoting Free Software and thus see no (big) problem in aknowledging its main origin (and inventor of that term), whereas Redhat as a commercial entity fear that freedom fight might scare off possible customers so instead favor the more consumer-friendly Open Source and thus avoids promoting its political left-wing ancestor. :-) RH has chosen the Linux branding, while Debian (the only widely popular distro to do so) uses the GNU/ prefix. Well, *both* RH and Debian brand themselves, but while Redhat choose to only promote the origin of its system _kernel_, Debian promotes origins of both its kernels (not just Linux) and (largest) userspace part. - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkk6yvAACgkQn7DbMsAkQLhRcACfROKZpHQNKLy/qC1ea6aTjtEK pygAn09/xJdEMUT1jNTDScwfIViTv30J =h3VP -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Fwd: [gnu.org #392095] Sugar Labs server at GNAPS]
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 3:59 AM, Bernie Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Option (a) sounds acceptable. We could spend part or all our initial $1600 budget on paying our half of this server, and use it initially only for shell accounts and downloads. Daniel Clark is an old friend and I spoke with him today. He says he will take care of the server personally when we are away. Should we vote on this? Please, give your +1 or -1. No we should not vote:) No one besides you has the time and knowledge to handle our infrastructure. Make your best decision. Present why and how your made your decision on iaep for consensus. Implement it. I could go into a long spiel about leadership. To make a long story short. When you raised your hand to be infrastructure team lead, you accepted the responsibility for the infrastructure. Along with that responsibility, comes the authority to make it happen. david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Vacation
Ciao, I will be traveling around from Dec 26 to Jan 6 (*), or a little less than this. I'm looking for a wireless data plan that will allow me to check my mail regularily. There's at least one spare sysadmin for every service. I'm updating the wiki to make sure these people are easy to reach in case of emergencies. (*) Warning: range wraps around. [I]gnore/[A]bort? -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://www.sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Vacation
Who approved that vacation schedule? david On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Bernie Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciao, I will be traveling around from Dec 26 to Jan 6 (*), or a little less than this. I'm looking for a wireless data plan that will allow me to check my mail regularily. There's at least one spare sysadmin for every service. I'm updating the wiki to make sure these people are easy to reach in case of emergencies. (*) Warning: range wraps around. [I]gnore/[A]bort? -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://www.sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick - Can we give it away at FUDCOM and at the DC event Walter is going to?
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Caroline Meeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I think it would be cool to be able to give everyone SoaS USBs as Conference Swag at events where Sugar Labs is presenting. Handing them out Sugar talks or workshops would be great. I am not a big fan of widely casting swag to people. I have never used a USB that I have received as swag at a conference:( What do we need to do this? 1. A SoaS image we are proud of. I think we are almost there. How far off are we? What are the major blockers? Do we have 'good enough' collaboration servers? Can we easily modify images so that they point to specific servers? 2. Lots of USB Sticks - Walter says he is making good progress on a donor. 3. A way to flash a hundred sticks in only an hour or two - Any ideas? Do other people think this is a useful thing to aim for in January? What activities make the best impression and should be on the Stick? What else should we think about to make such a give-away effective? Should be given away as part of a workshop or talk. The ahhh factor of a roomful of people popping up on each others neighborhoods will be pretty high! david -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Library collections and content for Sugar by outsiders.
I have just looked over http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs The words library, collection and content appear once in a section on translating content. I have posted a number of messages to this list in the last couple of months related to the ease of outsiders contributing content for Sugar. My personal interest was to find how to adjust my software, Emle - Electronic Mathematics Laboratory Equipment (http://emle.sf.net), to fit into the Sugar environment. I have run into a number of bumps. Though I may be able to over come these issues they make it rather non friendly to outsiders. With all of the efforts in the recent months, content contribution is still hard to figure out especially if one is not in the XO owners club which is the case for most outsiders that have existing content that could be used in Sugar. Content creators are not software developers (normally). Where do do they fit into the teams? Where does the documentation on adding content fit into the wiki? -- C.W.Holeman II | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://JulianLocals.com/cwhii To only a fraction of the human race does God give the privilege of earning one's bread doing what one would have gladly pursued free, for passion. I am very thankful. The Mythical Man-Month Epilogue/F.P.Brooks ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick - Can we give it away at FUDCOM and at the DC event Walter is going to?
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Caroline Meeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I think it would be cool to be able to give everyone SoaS USBs as Conference Swag at events where Sugar Labs is presenting. What do we need to do this? 1. A SoaS image we are proud of. I think we are almost there. 1. Fix bugs. o There is no free space in rootfs (mounted on /). This makes it difficult to do anything interesting. I can't install software or save work. I did say to allocate 128 MB free space when creating this bootable USB key. Where is it? o The Journal is constantly nattering that it is full. It puts wrong dates on entries, and then loses them (I suppose because it can't write them anywhere). It usually fails to appear on the frame. o Activities crash or fail to start, seemingly at random. (Maybe they can't find the Journal, either?) o The cursor keys don't work in Browse or Terminal. o Ubuntu grabs Alt-Tabs, so I can't switch activities conveniently. Well, I can use the frame. o When I exited Sugar and rebooted from the stick, Gnome barely loaded, and was unusable. When I rebooted again, it failed to get past a command line. 2. Write a short document on how to use it. These are some more things that took me too long to discover, or that I have not yet discovered. Apparently the new features are documented in the release notes, but not in the form a beginner is looking for. o Where is Sugar?! Applications/Other/Sugar Emulator. Put it on the toolbar. o How do I enable repositories? vi /etc/apt/sources.list, and uncomment some lines, but it doesn't do me any good without filesystem space. o How do I install xo-get, or indeed anything? ?? o Is there a way to load saved sessions from elsewhere, even if I can't save anything on the stick? 2. Lots of USB Sticks - Walter says he is making good progress on a donor. 3. A way to flash a hundred sticks in only an hour or two - Any ideas? I see services that will do this for you. 1G drives printed with your logo and preloaded with your data, $10.19 http://www.stepthru.com.au/USBFlash.htm And here is an instance of the equipment, for making 21 copies at a time. http://www.aleratec.com/330104e.html ALERATEC 1:21 USB FLASH DRIVE COPY CRUISER USB FLASH DRIVE DUPLICATOR - Part #330104 Part # 330104 Price $1,049.00 ALERATEC 1:21 USB FLASH DRIVE COPY CRUISER FACTORY RECONDITIONED - PART # 330104E Part # 330104E Price $499.00 And some more. https://www.duplication.ca/shop/home.php?cat=61 http://users.skynet.be/fa945585/NewFiles/usb tester.html http://www.kingsaudio.co.uk/products/-vconsole-60-port-usb-flash-drive-duplicator/377/ http://www.cddimensions.com/products.asp?dept=208 Do other people think this is a useful thing to aim for in January? What activities make the best impression and should be on the Stick? Depends on the audience, and on whether we provide tutorials and explain how the Activities can be used in the classroom. o xo-get o TurteArt (sic) with examples. So much math! So much programming, and no syntax errors! o TerminalGotta have the command line. o eToys Where it all began. o Pippy import antigravity! Uh, import SciPy? o Measure Do you have any idea how much science you can do with a digital oscilloscope in both time and frequency domain? If users will be able to collaborate, then Write Paint TamTamJam What else should we think about to make such a give-away effective? Branding on the stick and the lanyard. Tell them how to join the project. -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick - Can we give it away at FUDCOM and at the DC event Walter is going to?
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Caroline Meeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I think it would be cool to be able to give everyone SoaS USBs as Conference Swag at events where Sugar Labs is presenting. What do we need to do this? 1. A SoaS image we are proud of. I think we are almost there. 1. Fix bugs. Is there a place specifically for reporting SoaS bugs? o There is no free space in rootfs (mounted on /). This makes it difficult to do anything interesting. I can't install software or save work. I did say to allocate 128 MB free space when creating this bootable USB key. Where is it? o The Journal is constantly nattering that it is full. It puts wrong dates on entries, and then loses them (I suppose because it can't write them anywhere). It usually fails to appear on the frame. o Activities crash or fail to start, seemingly at random. (Maybe they can't find the Journal, either?) o The cursor keys don't work in Browse or Terminal. o Ubuntu grabs Alt-Tabs, so I can't switch activities conveniently. Well, I can use the frame. o When I exited Sugar and rebooted from the stick, Gnome barely loaded, and was unusable. When I rebooted again, it failed to get past a command line. And once more: No buffer space. Failed to get to the command line. 2. Write a short document on how to use it. These are some more things that took me too long to discover, or that I have not yet discovered. Apparently the new features are documented in the release notes, but not in the form a beginner is looking for. o Where is Sugar?! Applications/Other/Sugar Emulator. Put it on the toolbar. o How do I enable repositories? vi /etc/apt/sources.list, and uncomment some lines, but it doesn't do me any good without filesystem space. o How do I install xo-get, or indeed anything? ?? o Is there a way to load saved sessions from elsewhere, even if I can't save anything on the stick? 2. Lots of USB Sticks - Walter says he is making good progress on a donor. 3. A way to flash a hundred sticks in only an hour or two - Any ideas? I see services that will do this for you. 1G drives printed with your logo and preloaded with your data, $10.19 http://www.stepthru.com.au/USBFlash.htm And here is an instance of the equipment, for making 21 copies at a time. http://www.aleratec.com/330104e.html ALERATEC 1:21 USB FLASH DRIVE COPY CRUISER USB FLASH DRIVE DUPLICATOR - Part #330104 Part # 330104 Price $1,049.00 ALERATEC 1:21 USB FLASH DRIVE COPY CRUISER FACTORY RECONDITIONED - PART # 330104E Part # 330104E Price $499.00 And some more. https://www.duplication.ca/shop/home.php?cat=61 http://users.skynet.be/fa945585/NewFiles/usb tester.html http://www.kingsaudio.co.uk/products/-vconsole-60-port-usb-flash-drive-duplicator/377/ http://www.cddimensions.com/products.asp?dept=208 Do other people think this is a useful thing to aim for in January? What activities make the best impression and should be on the Stick? Depends on the audience, and on whether we provide tutorials and explain how the Activities can be used in the classroom. o xo-get o TurteArt (sic) with examples. So much math! So much programming, and no syntax errors! o TerminalGotta have the command line. o eToys Where it all began. o Pippy import antigravity! Uh, import SciPy? o Measure Do you have any idea how much science you can do with a digital oscilloscope in both time and frequency domain? If users will be able to collaborate, then Write Paint TamTamJam What else should we think about to make such a give-away effective? Branding on the stick and the lanyard. Tell them how to join the project. -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Obama asks our opinions
The Obama Transition is encouraging people to organize house parties around issues, and let the online community know what they think. They have explicitly asked people to register their views on what kind of health care system we want. And also, this. http://change.gov/agenda/education_agenda/ Obama-Biden education plan http://change.gov/page/s/education Education -- Of the People, By the People Tell us your story, which education issues are important to you, or what you'd like to see an Obama-Biden administration do and where you'd like the country to go. [comment form] and this. http://change.gov/agenda/foreign_policy_agenda/ ... Renewing American Diplomacy ... Fight Global Poverty: Obama and Biden will embrace the Millennium Development Goal of cutting extreme poverty around the world in half by 2015, and they will double our foreign assistance to achieve that goal. This will help the world's weakest states build healthy and educated communities, reduce poverty, develop markets, and generate wealth. http://change.gov/page/s/ofthepeople Of the People, By the People Tell us your ideas and help us solve the biggest challenges facing our country And similarly for every other issue listed at change.gov. Nothing else on foreign aid, even though the earlier version of this plan included a $2 billion annual Global Education Fund. We can set up an IRC discussion, and invite groups from my.barackobama.com to join us, in addition to anybody else we know with an interest in education policy. -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Library collections and content for Sugar by outsiders.
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 7:48 PM, C.W. Holeman II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just looked over http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs The words library, collection and content appear once in a section on translating content. I have posted a number of messages to this list in the last couple of months related to the ease of outsiders contributing content for Sugar. My personal interest was to find how to adjust my software, Emle - Electronic Mathematics Laboratory Equipment (http://emle.sf.net), to fit into the Sugar environment. I have run into a number of bumps. Though I may be able to over come these issues they make it rather non friendly to outsiders. With all of the efforts in the recent months, content contribution is still hard to figure out especially if one is not in the XO owners club which is the case for most outsiders that have existing content that could be used in Sugar. Sugar Labs is entirely a voluntary project. We, luckily, have a few developers that are being paid by third parties. Everything else, from infrastructure to documentation, is done by volunteers. It is pretty hard to interest people in developing content when: a. They have no platform on which to develop. b. There are relatively few users of the platform in the developer's area. Content tends to be quite specific to countries for reasons of language, culture, and legislation. For the past six months we have focused entirely on developing, supporting, and distributing the Sugar platform. The Sugar Labs development team has stabilized and is releasing progressively better software on a fixed cycle. Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Suse, and Mandriva have invested both volunteer and paid engineers to package and support Sugar. We are now ready to start getting Sugar into the hands of writers, developers, and users through deployments. Over the next several months we will be focusing heavily on establishing Local Labs as deployment catalysts. A Local Lab is not required for a deployment. But, a Local Labs will help generate the critical mass of support necessary for a self sustaining deployment. Finally, by spring, the Local Labs formation process should be self sustaining. Then we can focus on activities and content. This is probably not the answer that you, or any one else, wanted to hear. With a finite amount of resources there is only so much we can work on at once. We have to focus our effort on what will have the most significant long term impact. On the other hand, I could be completely wrong about all of the above:( david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Library collections and content for Sugar by outsiders.
Although I agree with what David said, people may contribute how they see fit, because the project is voluntary and open source. If you see a hole regarding content creation, feel free to jump in and start improving things. At the very least, it would be helpful to document on the wiki what you've learned as well as what pitfalls you've encountered. As other folks come along, they can learn from your experiences. The wiki is still young, so there are many holes to fill. I didn't find much at all regarding content. It would be good to have a page that answers question such as: What types of content can I use with Sugar? (PDFs, Webpages, etc) What free content is available on the web? How can I convert content into something suitable for Sugar? How do I bundle content into lesson plans? How do I distribute content to the kid's computers? There is a lot of info on wiki.laptop.org, so we should link to it liberally. See http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Content for starters. In the long run, I think it makes sense to have a Content Team that is focused on making it easier for educators to create, find, package, and distribute content. But it probably doesn't make sense to have a team unless there are several active members. You could argue that this is part of the Education Team, but I see them as complimentary, not homogeneous. This is all just my opinion and I have little experience to back it up :-) Thanks, Nate On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 10:57 PM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 7:48 PM, C.W. Holeman II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just looked over http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs The words library, collection and content appear once in a section on translating content. I have posted a number of messages to this list in the last couple of months related to the ease of outsiders contributing content for Sugar. My personal interest was to find how to adjust my software, Emle - Electronic Mathematics Laboratory Equipment (http://emle.sf.net), to fit into the Sugar environment. I have run into a number of bumps. Though I may be able to over come these issues they make it rather non friendly to outsiders. With all of the efforts in the recent months, content contribution is still hard to figure out especially if one is not in the XO owners club which is the case for most outsiders that have existing content that could be used in Sugar. Sugar Labs is entirely a voluntary project. We, luckily, have a few developers that are being paid by third parties. Everything else, from infrastructure to documentation, is done by volunteers. It is pretty hard to interest people in developing content when: a. They have no platform on which to develop. b. There are relatively few users of the platform in the developer's area. Content tends to be quite specific to countries for reasons of language, culture, and legislation. For the past six months we have focused entirely on developing, supporting, and distributing the Sugar platform. The Sugar Labs development team has stabilized and is releasing progressively better software on a fixed cycle. Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Suse, and Mandriva have invested both volunteer and paid engineers to package and support Sugar. We are now ready to start getting Sugar into the hands of writers, developers, and users through deployments. Over the next several months we will be focusing heavily on establishing Local Labs as deployment catalysts. A Local Lab is not required for a deployment. But, a Local Labs will help generate the critical mass of support necessary for a self sustaining deployment. Finally, by spring, the Local Labs formation process should be self sustaining. Then we can focus on activities and content. This is probably not the answer that you, or any one else, wanted to hear. With a finite amount of resources there is only so much we can work on at once. We have to focus our effort on what will have the most significant long term impact. On the other hand, I could be completely wrong about all of the above:( david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Fwd: Demo opportunity [Re: Program for the Future Conference - Dec. 8-9]
Anybody going to be at the Program for the Future conference at the Tech Museum in San Jose on Monday evening? -- Forwarded message -- From: Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 8:34 PM Subject: Fwd: Demo opportunity [Re: Program for the Future Conference - Dec. 8-9] To: OLPC SF [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have been invited to give a demo of XOs and Sugar at the Program for the Future conference at the Tech Museum in San Jose on Monday evening. Let me know ASAP if you can come with your XOs, and if they are running the latest sofware, (You get dinner if you do.) or if we can borrow your XOs for the occasion. We need to have this organized by tomorrow evening. I would like to attend the conference, and I will gladly pay the entry fee for all of us in order to do that. We can show the mesh routing for sure, and collaboration in Write, Draw, TamTamJam (music), and some other Activities. Acoustic Tape Measure, probably, depending on the noise level and echoes in the room. I'll have to check which games have collaboration enabled. I expect that we can show Chess, PlayGo, and some others. I will certainly bring some musical instruments, and demonstrate the Measure digital oscilloscope in time and frequency domain. Depending on the wireless environment and which version of the software is installed, collaboration among XOs can be limited to a few at a time. We discussed a likely solution to the issues at Sugar Camp in Cambridge two weeks ago, and I can give an update on things that have happened, are happening, and will happen soon. Doug Engelbart will be there, and there will be a 40th anniversary celebration of his Mother of All Demos (mouse, windows, menus...) at Stanford afterwards. Alan Kay will be there. He has said that the XO is the closest anybody has ever gotten to the Dynabook, which also celebrated its conceptual 40th birthday recently at the Computer History Museum. A lot of other high-powered people will be there. Will you? On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 7:28 PM, Rob Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Ed, would you be interested in rounding up some other OLPC laptop owners and arranging an XO demo for Monday night? Certainly. The cost is $75 (for the demo team, not per individual), and for that price everyone gets dinner and one of you gets to attend the rest of the Program for the Future conference. Very good. I'd love to see a demo of the XO's mesh routing and group games! We will be delighted to oblige. - Rob Begin forwarded message: From: Robert Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: December 5, 2008 5:57:00 PM PST To: Baypiggies [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Baypiggies] Demos opportunity [Re: Program for the Future Conference - Dec. 8-9] Do you have a collective intelligence tool you would like to demo next Monday evening? Would you like a chance to show your stuff to Alan Kay, Andy van Dam, Doug Engelbart and others? Would you like to attend the Program for the Future Conference for $75 (instead of $275). Send an email describing your tool, mashup, etc. to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Rob On Nov 30, 2008, at 8:25 PM, Robert Stephenson wrote: This conference may be of interest to some BayPIGgies. We are also looking for volunteers and demos of collective intelligence tools. On Dec. 8-9, The Tech Museum in partnership with the MIT Museum will sponsor a major conference and design challenge entitled Program for the Future. Its goal is as ambitious as its title. The Program for the Future is about tools that improve our collective intelligence, and is inspired by the vision of Doug Engelbart -- the man who invented the computer mouse, graphical user interface and pioneered the concept of networked computers -- to harness technology to augment human intellect and improve our ability to work together. On December 8 and 9 we'll hear from some of today's most provocative speakers, then brainstorm ways to enhance our capability for problem solving, decision making, knowledge organization, and planning in every field of human endeavor. Featured Speakers * Professor Thomas Malone, Founding Director, MIT Center for Collective Intelligence * Professor Hiroshi Ishii, Associate Director, MIT Media Laboratory * Peter Norvig, Director of Research, Google * Andries van Dam, Professor, Brown University * Alan Kay, President, Viewpoints Research Institute * Steve Wozniak, co-founder, Apple Computer, Inc. * Dr. Peter Friess, President, the Tech Museum of Innovation For more information, see the conference program or this blog post. There is an early-bird price through this Monday, Dec. 1 only and members of SD Forum, Berkeley alums and some other groups get a special rate. There will also be free registration for virtual participants, and a special rate for those who wish to volunteer to help with the 2-day event (the volunteer signup will be announced on Dec. 2). To register, go to
Re: [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick - Can we give it away at FUDCOM and at the DC event Walter is going to?
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a place specifically for reporting SoaS bugs? I noticed there is a SoaS component on dev.sugarlabs.org. I'm not sure if this is for a specific SoaS distrobution. What was the intent? I need to file a bug that I noticed on Sbuntu - Sugar crashes when the Date Time buton on the Control Panel is clicked. Thanks, Nate ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
