Re: [IAEP] USB based access in Australia
2008/12/11 : > Con has done quite a lot of work promoting the use of open source software > here and will be well known to many IT teachers. At least in the state of > Victoria, the education department has done a bulk purchase of Microsoft > software and software is then seen as effectively free at the school level in > government schools. Even though the schools are free to chose what software > they teach with, there is little driver to move them to open source. This is a battle that is happening all over the Globle. Microsoft needs to perpetuate its monopoly and has no scruples to dump their software into education, even giving free hardware (there is a promise for 1000 XOs with windows for Peru). This conduct must clearly be monitored coming from a convicted monopolist. I believe privative software ought to be banned in public schools altogether, especially in developing countries. This is why FuenteLibre is leading a national campaign called "Windows es una Invasión Cultural" to counterinform the corporate PR. Teachers and citizens ought to know what is at stake, and we're set to let them know. Privative software poses two serious ethical and potentially legal problems to the educator. By restricting tha natural tendency to share, and in fact criminalizing it and comparing it to attacking boats and stealing, we're implicitly teaching a miserable attitude inhibiting solidarity. This is unacceptable. The second problem is the illegality of discovery... if a child asks "how does this work"... will you have the heart to tell them... "i'm sorry dear, it is illegal for you to know... or even poke at it, go play with something else". Any latin american Mamita, would scold a child for showing another a shiny new toy or game and not sharing it with him, or a sweet and not sharing it. Anybody in my culture knows just "lending" something that could easily be shared with other is a miserable attitude and latin american Mamitas call it *BAD EDUCATION* to do so. What I find more humbling in this huge atrocity that we've inflicted upon society, of allowing miserable cultural attitudes like privative software to prevail, is how we've limited ourselves, by sheer ignorance and lack of conscience, how we've underestimated humanity's combined creative capacity, that we've built walls and gates around knowledge and culture and wisdom. It is time for us to make amends, to rescue culture from this dependence, for only by truly appropriating software will the computer become a cultural medium for expression. > > The high fee private schools have more incentive to move to open source, the > cost of software per student is quite high, but nearly all still prefer to go > with MS is it is seen as an industry standard. This misses the point that IT > education is not about learning to operate specific packages but to use them > as tools to think with. The point must be made that a mere cost analysis, while powerful and also in our favor, misses the point. What is the social cost of alienating the user from the technology? What is the cultural cost of limiting expression and sharing? What are we teaching children? > > Many students are effectively forced to use pirate MS software if they wish > to work at home. I find a very good "tool to think with" is to replace each instance of "to pirate" with "to share" in headlines. It usually shows the ridicule argument. "...students are...forced to SHARE MS software if they wish to work at home". Of course, then it would be too clear that MS does not allow sharing. "BSA and companies... launch campaign against SHARING" is one of my favorites and more often seen. > > So my full support for Con's work but dont expect any sudden adoption of open > source here. > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- Sebastian Silva Iniciativa FuenteLibre http://blog.sebastiansilva.com/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Working math graphs/plots
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: > On 13 Dec 2008, at 01:53, Edward Cherlin wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Gary C Martin >> wrote: >>> >>> On 11 Dec 2008, at 00:24, Edward Cherlin wrote: >>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Reinier Heeres wrote: > > Hi, > > I agree that the plotting functionality is not really well exposed, > although help(index) will show you it's available and help(plot) will > tell you how to use it. Try plot(sin(x),x=0..360) for example. I'll > work > on the exposure of plotting in the next release; suggestions on how to > do this exactly would be welcome. Just exposing help would go a long way to solving the problem. >>> >>> Help is already exposed in the hover menu for each toolbar icon. Not >>> discoverable enough? OK, to be brutally explicit, I want a help icon on the toolbar, with a menu of what you can get help on. >> Absolutely not enough. I have to wait for the menu to expand _twice_. >> How was I supposed to discover that? > > You could always read the Calculate wiki page, that's where I first read > about the plot feature ~11 months or so ago. Don't tell me what _I_ can do. Tell me what a non-English-speaking child in outback Cambodia without an Internet connection is supposed to do. > In the perfect world, every > feature you needed at any moment would be clearly represented in the UI. > Different individuals use software in different ways, it's always very hard > to get this right (and it's _never_ perfect). Imperfect I can deal with. Not there is beyond me. >>> Seems Reinier' s Calculate has much more effort/detail >>> put in than any other activity so far. >> >> That doesn't mean that he got it right. I really, really hate delayed >> hover menus, and I hate doubly-delayed hover menus many times more. > > Being cheeky here... so right click and move on with life :-p No, I hadn't discovered that, either. :-D > (and, as a Mac > user, you have no idea how much it pained me when I first saw the project > was going for 2 mouse button use). I have taught preschool children click-and-drag and right click. I don't like them. I prefer one button, and click to grab, click to drop. At some age, two buttons and a set of game controls, or a programmer's third button, become practical. The question is the ratio between effort of learning and effort saved working. > Sometimes I like the whole concept of hover menus, sometimes I think they > sucks. The idea is certainly going to have to be reworked (along with a > large chunk of the existing UI) if we get Sugar to a gen 2 touch interface. Has anybody here seen Hiroshi Ishii's Minority-Report-style UI? He showed at at the Engelbart-fest, Program for the Future. >> First, because they are inherently not discoverable, and secondly, >> because you are wasting my time, and every other user's time. I reject >> the argument that we are trying to teach children to click icons >> directly, and note that it doesn't even apply in the case of help. > > For me, I always consider the need for help text (and manuals) to be a level > of failure in design. Help texts are a large burden on everyone (quality, > translation, UI space, updates, accuracy), but often are the cheapest first > pass when you realise some feature not discoverable enough. > > Any concrete UI suggestions for calculate features (or activities** in > general) to be more discoverable for you? Answer given above. _Every_ option should be discoverable visually. Forget hover. If a command must take an option, put the options on the menu for the item and just let me click it. > You're not allowed to add this as > another potential FLOSS book TODO ;-) Well OK, I guess that might be a > workaround if there's no better UI effort (and teachers like static books, > right?). No!!! No FLOSS Manuals for what should be obvious. Make it sufficiently obvious, or add a tutorial, if you are going to do non-standard things with mice and menus. No, scratch that. Just make it obvious. I am about to start writing digital textbooks. I need the tools to stay out of the way so I can teach _ideas_. > ** my latest casual discovery was that Write has customised its keep toolbar > icon, so if you hover you can choose to keep a copy as RTF, HTML, or plain > text. Well hidden, but this could be extended to 'keep' to all kind's of > interesting places (i.e. push to a Moodle server, an outbound email, web > site upload). Hopefully some Journal 'sharing' feature will be a generic > solution for any activity. > > --Gary > >> My general principle of UI design is, never, ever try to be smarter >> than your user. Not even if you are. Now that I know that help is on >> the menus on double delay, I will almost never use it that way, >> because typing is faster, but I will resent it every time I have to >> type it, because the menu could be faster. >>> >>> --Gary -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر
Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Your Project has been successfully published in the Project Gallery!
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote: > Hi Ed, we've not found your comment... perhaps it was intercepted by critters? > I'm very interested in reading it. Well, I saw it when I posted it, but now I can't find it either. Social networking for schools is an essential part of the Earth Treasury plan, to support education, sharing of interests, and later on making international business connections. > Thanks! > > Sebastian > > > 2008/12/5 Edward Cherlin : >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:20 AM, Sebastian Silva >> wrote: >>> Guys, >>> Rafael and me have been working hard on this proposal we submitted to >>> USAID. Perhaps we'd like to hear your thoughts on it and comments >>> since we still have one day for modifications. >> >> +1 >> >> This is part of the core mission of Earth Treasury. I wrote a comment >> explaining how our programs fit together, and the importance of what >> you propose to economic and social empowerment worldwide. Earth >> Treasury is also working on electricity and Internet connections so >> that children even the poorest and most remote villages can >> participate, and on microfinance for the international businesses that >> we expect to come from all f this. Let me know of anything else we can >> do to help. >> >>> Showing support, commenting and such might also be of help. >>> Thank you so much! >>> Sebastian >>> >>> Visit: >>> http://www.netsquared.org/projects/free-social-networks-rural-education >>> >>> >>> -- Forwarded message -- >>> From: Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero >>> Date: 2008/12/5 >>> Subject: Fwd: Your Project has been successfully published in the >>> Project Gallery! >>> To: Sebastian Silva >>> >>> >>> >>> Rafael Ortiz >>> >>> >>> -- Forwarded message -- >>> From: >>> Date: Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 4:09 AM >>> Subject: Your Project has been successfully published in the Project >>> Gallery! >>> To: dir...@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> Congratulations! Now that your Project is published, community >>> members will have an opportunity to provide feedback. >>> To view the Project Gallery visit: www.netsquared.org/projectgallery >>> Two Easy Next Steps: >>> >>> 1. Interact and Blog >>> We encourage you to take advantage of the interactive features on our >>> site to help engage the Community. Features include starring, >>> commenting and blogging about your and others projects. >>> Here's How: >>> Star: Show support for your favorite Projects by giving them a star >>> (click on the yellow star in each Project profile). >>> >>> Comment: Provide constructive feedback for Projects that you are >>> interested in contributing to (time, resources or additional >>> information). >>> >>> Blog: Each registered user has a unique blog that is automatically >>> included in the Community Blog (www.netsquared.org/blog)! We encourage >>> you to highlight your Project by sharing a brief intro and description >>> with the Community via the blog (remember to include your Project's >>> NetSquared URL). Just click on your username (top right hand corner) >>> and follow links to "Post to Your Blog". >>> >>> >>> 2. Edit >>> Collaborate with others who leave comments about your Project and use >>> these conversations to help refine your Project. >>> If you need us, we're here: n...@techsoup.org! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sebastian Silva >>> Iniciativa FuenteLibre >>> http://blog.sebastiansilva.com/ >>> ___ >>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name >> And Children are my nation. >> The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai >> > > > > -- > Sebastian Silva > Iniciativa FuenteLibre > http://blog.sebastiansilva.com/ > -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Working math graphs/plots
I have seen a "?" button, meaning click the question mark and then click anything else in the GUI to get a brief explanation. It would allow someone to ask about a particular widget without waiting. It could also offer a "tour of the activity" video. But maybe that would be offered better on the icon used to launch the activity. I find these sorts of videos to be extremely helpful, as they are like looking over the shoulder of an experienced user. On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: > On 13 Dec 2008, at 01:53, Edward Cherlin wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Gary C Martin > > wrote: > >> > >> On 11 Dec 2008, at 00:24, Edward Cherlin wrote: > >> > >>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Reinier Heeres > >>> wrote: > > Hi, > > I agree that the plotting functionality is not really well exposed, > although help(index) will show you it's available and help(plot) > will > tell you how to use it. Try plot(sin(x),x=0..360) for example. > I'll work > on the exposure of plotting in the next release; suggestions on > how to > do this exactly would be welcome. > >>> > >>> Just exposing help would go a long way to solving the problem. > >> > >> Help is already exposed in the hover menu for each toolbar icon. Not > >> discoverable enough? > > > > Absolutely not enough. I have to wait for the menu to expand _twice_. > > How was I supposed to discover that? > > You could always read the Calculate wiki page, that's where I first > read about the plot feature ~11 months or so ago. In the perfect > world, every feature you needed at any moment would be clearly > represented in the UI. Different individuals use software in different > ways, it's always very hard to get this right (and it's _never_ > perfect). > > >> Seems Reinier' s Calculate has much more effort/detail > >> put in than any other activity so far. > > > > That doesn't mean that he got it right. I really, really hate delayed > > hover menus, and I hate doubly-delayed hover menus many times more. > > Being cheeky here... so right click and move on with life :-p (and, as > a Mac user, you have no idea how much it pained me when I first saw > the project was going for 2 mouse button use). > > Sometimes I like the whole concept of hover menus, sometimes I think > they sucks. The idea is certainly going to have to be reworked (along > with a large chunk of the existing UI) if we get Sugar to a gen 2 > touch interface. > > > First, because they are inherently not discoverable, and secondly, > > because you are wasting my time, and every other user's time. I reject > > the argument that we are trying to teach children to click icons > > directly, and note that it doesn't even apply in the case of help. > > For me, I always consider the need for help text (and manuals) to be a > level of failure in design. Help texts are a large burden on everyone > (quality, translation, UI space, updates, accuracy), but often are the > cheapest first pass when you realise some feature not discoverable > enough. > > Any concrete UI suggestions for calculate features (or activities** in > general) to be more discoverable for you? You're not allowed to add > this as another potential FLOSS book TODO ;-) Well OK, I guess that > might be a workaround if there's no better UI effort (and teachers > like static books, right?). > > ** my latest casual discovery was that Write has customised its keep > toolbar icon, so if you hover you can choose to keep a copy as RTF, > HTML, or plain text. Well hidden, but this could be extended to 'keep' > to all kind's of interesting places (i.e. push to a Moodle server, an > outbound email, web site upload). Hopefully some Journal 'sharing' > feature will be a generic solution for any activity. > > --Gary > > > My general principle of UI design is, never, ever try to be smarter > > than your user. Not even if you are. Now that I know that help is on > > the menus on double delay, I will almost never use it that way, > > because typing is faster, but I will resent it every time I have to > > type it, because the menu could be faster. > >> --Gary > >> > The implementation is as basic as it can get: it evaluates an > expression > at 100 points between the start and stop range. The internal > parser is a > bit slow, but it's pure python and works reasonably well. > > With a bit of coding we could surely add some functionality to > get data > from Measure in there too. > > I am not inclined to add RPN parsing myself, but patches will of > course > be considered. > >>> > >>> Would you look at http://sourceforge.net/projects/calcrpnpy/ and > >>> tell > >>> me what you need done to it? > >>> > Regards, > Reinier > > Edward Cherlin wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Gary C Martin < > g...@garycmartin.com > > > > > wrote: > > > >> On 10 Dec 2008, at 18:41,
Re: [IAEP] Ncomputing
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Walter Bender wrote: > I had a pissing match with their founder in the WSJ about a year > ago... I saw that written up at OLPC News. Yes, Ncomputing is still at it, just like Intel and Microsoft. Competition, you know. Can't have that. ^_^ > I didn't get any straight answers from him about costs or > learning. Nothing usable on the site yesterday. Most of the site is down today. > But Sugar on their Ubuntu thin client sounds doable. Perhaps we should have a word with Macedonia and some other countries. We can't leave all of the sales work to Nicholas any more. http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2007/09/17/226807/macedonia-rolls-out-ncomputing-clients-for-all-school.htm 180,000 units 1.8 M in India... > -walter > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: >> Has anybody evaluated Ncomputing's claims on cost, power, and the like >> for school deployments? For example, >> >> http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Interview/Stephen_Dukker_CEO_Ncomputing/articleshow/3820649.cms >> http://www.ncomputing.com/republic-of-macedonia.aspx >> >> They run Ubuntu (or Windows) over thin clients, so they could run >> Sugar once the packaging problems are fixed (The journal currently >> saves precisely nothing). Has anybody talked with them? >> >> -- >> Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name >> And Children are my nation. >> The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai >> ___ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > http://www.sugarlabs.org > -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Working math graphs/plots
On 13 Dec 2008, at 01:53, Edward Cherlin wrote: > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Gary C Martin > wrote: >> >> On 11 Dec 2008, at 00:24, Edward Cherlin wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Reinier Heeres >>> wrote: Hi, I agree that the plotting functionality is not really well exposed, although help(index) will show you it's available and help(plot) will tell you how to use it. Try plot(sin(x),x=0..360) for example. I'll work on the exposure of plotting in the next release; suggestions on how to do this exactly would be welcome. >>> >>> Just exposing help would go a long way to solving the problem. >> >> Help is already exposed in the hover menu for each toolbar icon. Not >> discoverable enough? > > Absolutely not enough. I have to wait for the menu to expand _twice_. > How was I supposed to discover that? You could always read the Calculate wiki page, that's where I first read about the plot feature ~11 months or so ago. In the perfect world, every feature you needed at any moment would be clearly represented in the UI. Different individuals use software in different ways, it's always very hard to get this right (and it's _never_ perfect). >> Seems Reinier' s Calculate has much more effort/detail >> put in than any other activity so far. > > That doesn't mean that he got it right. I really, really hate delayed > hover menus, and I hate doubly-delayed hover menus many times more. Being cheeky here... so right click and move on with life :-p (and, as a Mac user, you have no idea how much it pained me when I first saw the project was going for 2 mouse button use). Sometimes I like the whole concept of hover menus, sometimes I think they sucks. The idea is certainly going to have to be reworked (along with a large chunk of the existing UI) if we get Sugar to a gen 2 touch interface. > First, because they are inherently not discoverable, and secondly, > because you are wasting my time, and every other user's time. I reject > the argument that we are trying to teach children to click icons > directly, and note that it doesn't even apply in the case of help. For me, I always consider the need for help text (and manuals) to be a level of failure in design. Help texts are a large burden on everyone (quality, translation, UI space, updates, accuracy), but often are the cheapest first pass when you realise some feature not discoverable enough. Any concrete UI suggestions for calculate features (or activities** in general) to be more discoverable for you? You're not allowed to add this as another potential FLOSS book TODO ;-) Well OK, I guess that might be a workaround if there's no better UI effort (and teachers like static books, right?). ** my latest casual discovery was that Write has customised its keep toolbar icon, so if you hover you can choose to keep a copy as RTF, HTML, or plain text. Well hidden, but this could be extended to 'keep' to all kind's of interesting places (i.e. push to a Moodle server, an outbound email, web site upload). Hopefully some Journal 'sharing' feature will be a generic solution for any activity. --Gary > My general principle of UI design is, never, ever try to be smarter > than your user. Not even if you are. Now that I know that help is on > the menus on double delay, I will almost never use it that way, > because typing is faster, but I will resent it every time I have to > type it, because the menu could be faster. >> --Gary >> The implementation is as basic as it can get: it evaluates an expression at 100 points between the start and stop range. The internal parser is a bit slow, but it's pure python and works reasonably well. With a bit of coding we could surely add some functionality to get data from Measure in there too. I am not inclined to add RPN parsing myself, but patches will of course be considered. >>> >>> Would you look at http://sourceforge.net/projects/calcrpnpy/ and >>> tell >>> me what you need done to it? >>> Regards, Reinier Edward Cherlin wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Gary C Martin > > wrote: > >> On 10 Dec 2008, at 18:41, Walter Bender wrote: >> >> >>> I haven't looked at it in a while, but what plotting engine is >>> built >>> inside of the Calculator Activity? >>> >>> -walter >>> >> I think Reinier wrote his own little svg plot generator class >> called >> plotlib.py. >> >> --Gary >> > > I didn't know about the plotting capability, which will have > endless > uses. It is certainly not discoverable. > > Can we feed a segment of a data stream from Measure to Calculate > as a > named function? > > Why don't we put something like plot(f(x),x=min..max) on the > toolbar? > Can we prov
[IAEP] MAA WELCOME
I find it incomprehensible that your MAA-sponsored Web site http://www.math.metrostate.edu/welcome/ is only for Windows and Internet Explorer, given the importance of Mac OS and Linux in education. I see that the page has not been updated since 2003. Do you need help? I can probably get some Free Software developers to rework your code to work with any operating system and browser. My organization, Earth Treasury, is working with One Laptop Per Child and its partners on educational software and educational materials for poor children all around the world. We use Linux and other Free Software exclusively, so your policy cuts out our current half million users and any others in the future. -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Working math graphs/plots
I am writing this incase anyone else is having the same trouble following this thread as me. We are talking about the Calculate activity. If you hover over Sin-1 the delayed help popup is Arc Sine. Like Edward, I did not notice a second delayed pop up "help". Click on that and help(asin) is displayed in the calculator display window. Press enter and the help is displayed on the right. This is your cue that you can type any valid string into the calculator display window and execute it. You are not confined to pressing buttons. Type help(index) and a list of topics is displayed to the right but appears to be truncated. The full string is also in the calculator display window if you scroll left or right. >From there its a small step to try help(plot) though getting the syntax right >for =plot(eqn, var=-a..b) was not easy for me and I had to refer to the posts >to get the syntax right Then plot(sin(x),x=0..360) and yes, a nice plot is displayed to the right. I tried this out yesterday but despite having read all the posts, I could make no sense of it. It was only when I read of the second delayed help that I could make any sense. So even when you know what you are looking for, finding it is not that easy. > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: > > > > On 11 Dec 2008, at 00:24, Edward Cherlin wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Reinier Heeres wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> I agree that the plotting functionality is not really well exposed, > >>> although help(index) will show you it's available and help(plot) will > >>> tell you how to use it. Try plot(sin(x),x=0..360) for example. I'll work > >>> on the exposure of plotting in the next release; suggestions on how to > >>> do this exactly would be welcome. > >> > >> Just exposing help would go a long way to solving the problem. > > > > Help is already exposed in the hover menu for each toolbar icon. Not > > discoverable enough? > > Absolutely not enough. I have to wait for the menu to expand _twice_. > How was I supposed to discover that? > > > Seems Reinier' s Calculate has much more effort/detail > > put in than any other activity so far. > > That doesn't mean that he got it right. I really, really hate delayed > hover menus, and I hate doubly-delayed hover menus many times more. > First, because they are inherently not discoverable, and secondly, > because you are wasting my time, and every other user's time. I reject > the argument that we are trying to teach children to click icons > directly, and note that it doesn't even apply in the case of help. > > My general principle of UI design is, never, ever try to be smarter > than your user. Not even if you are. Now that I know that help is on > the menus on double delay, I will almost never use it that way, > because typing is faster, but I will resent it every time I have to > type it, because the menu could be faster. > > > --Gary > > > >>> The implementation is as basic as it can get: it evaluates an expression > >>> at 100 points between the start and stop range. The internal parser is a > >>> bit slow, but it's pure python and works reasonably well. > >>> > >>> With a bit of coding we could surely add some functionality to get data > >>> from Measure in there too. > >>> > >>> I am not inclined to add RPN parsing myself, but patches will of course > >>> be considered. > >> > >> Would you look at http://sourceforge.net/projects/calcrpnpy/ and tell > >> me what you need done to it? > >> > >>> Regards, > >>> Reinier > >>> > >>> Edward Cherlin wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Gary C Martin > wrote: > > > On 10 Dec 2008, at 18:41, Walter Bender wrote: > > > > > >> I haven't looked at it in a while, but what plotting engine is built > >> inside of the Calculator Activity? > >> > >> -walter > >> > > I think Reinier wrote his own little svg plot generator class called > > plotlib.py. > > > > --Gary > > > > I didn't know about the plotting capability, which will have endless > uses. It is certainly not discoverable. > > Can we feed a segment of a data stream from Measure to Calculate as a > named function? > > Why don't we put something like plot(f(x),x=min..max) on the toolbar? > Can we provide hints about the functions and syntax anywhere in the > UI? Is there a way to recall and edit an input line? Are there other > functions not exposed in the UI? > > I have a fairly old book called Numerical Analysis on the Pocket > Calculator, which explains how to do all sorts of things that you > might not expect on even the simplest 4- and 5-function devices, and > works on up through the sort of algebraic calculator we have here to > the programmable calculator. Our users will need something like this, > to take maximum advantage of the seemingly limited capabilities we are > offerin
Re: [IAEP] Ncomputing and freedom of the child
hi rob, thanks for making this a real discussion On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Costello, Rob R < costello.ro...@edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote: > Hi Bill > > > > Agree, many adults, who balk at compulsory censorship for adults, still > think there is a place for protecting children > > > > I'm one of them > > > > A while ago you could walk into any computer lab in our school and you may > have found half of the kids playing a first person shooter; gunning down > each other's avatar in virtual space, with graphic kill effects > > > > Its an uncomfortable feeling when any spare time (or time that students > choose to make spare) ends up being used like this - and as an educator > responsible for the network, not one I was willing to promote (and not one > I'd be keen to defend if parents had questioned it) > This is getting into issues of how schools operate at present with existing computer labs My position on this one is that the teacher ought to be keeping kids on task during lesson time - and that teachers who understand computing can (a) make lessons more interesting (b) have the knowledge such as checking task bar etc. to be able to do this, not all of the time, but for most of the time Layout of computers in the room is a big factor here. It's much easier for teacher to monitor what students are doing (highly desirable) if computers are setup up around the walls all facing inwards There is a curious / interesting factor at work here though in computer labs and in school in general. Increasingly electronic media are pervasive in classrooms and schools - mobile phones, mp3 players etc - and increasingly students are attempting to use them or use them in sorts of ways that teachers don't want (including me). This is a very big question about the whole nature of freedom and education, too large to comprehensively discuss in one post here but very worthwhile of further discussion IMO btw techs at my school are talking about introducing equipment which is capable of monitoring what is on every screen of every computer in the school - it exists but I haven't bothered to look into the details wrt game playing - my position used to be that students ought to be able to play some games at lunchtimes in computer labs (no longer an issue since we have stopped opening labs at lunchtime) As you point out it can easily become a shooting parlour and hard to manage and justify to parents - and distracting to kids who are there to do schoolwork - again an interesting and important and long discussion, which has to be had ... sometime also, I introduced game making into my courses a few years ago and this created some tensions within the school, eg. some teachers were not happy with my students playing games that they had made in the resource centre at lunchtimes, because games were banned there Some teachers had put up signs in computer rooms, "No Game Alllowed" and I had to point out that it was ridiculous that students could make games and in theory not be allowed test them out Anyway, none of these issues were fully resolved, the tensions persisted - although I have moved away from a major emphasis on game making for other reasons - but my students do still make some games, mainly using Scratch these days (formerly they used Game Maker) > While we hadn't installed any of this on the network, the issue was that > the games could be run off USB sticks, and networked together nicely on that > basis, even from the students restricted accounts (and I hope Sugar > installation and network detection gets that easy) > mmm ... USB sticks, handy things ... enabled me to use Opera browser at school as well as Sugar ... techs are just too busy to keep up with my interests as I try to work them into the curriculum but the bootable USB stick does provide a solution satisfactory to everyone (more or less) > As a solution, we blocked executable files running off USBs…and I don't > think a single student has complained about losing any other functionality > (we excepted the programming class who were building executables) > ditto for my school, executables blocked, except for certain situations the fact that students haven't complained about losing rights doesn't actually prove much ... students come to accept the fact that schools have lots of rules and regulations despite the fact that at least some of those rules and regulations don't make a lot of sense to some adults > Booting into Sugar would still have worked though [as the blocking policy > operated once the other OS had loaded] > > > > Another teacher friend downloaded a range of flash games so there were some > valid alternatives if students did want that sort of passive distraction > > > > My own interest is getting kids to take control, rather than play games…. I > decompile some of the flash games and show them how to tweak parameters to > change the effects etc - change the gravity in Dolphin Olympics; show them > the maths behind the sce
Re: [IAEP] Working math graphs/plots
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: > > On 11 Dec 2008, at 00:24, Edward Cherlin wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Reinier Heeres wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I agree that the plotting functionality is not really well exposed, >>> although help(index) will show you it's available and help(plot) will >>> tell you how to use it. Try plot(sin(x),x=0..360) for example. I'll work >>> on the exposure of plotting in the next release; suggestions on how to >>> do this exactly would be welcome. >> >> Just exposing help would go a long way to solving the problem. > > Help is already exposed in the hover menu for each toolbar icon. Not > discoverable enough? Absolutely not enough. I have to wait for the menu to expand _twice_. How was I supposed to discover that? > Seems Reinier' s Calculate has much more effort/detail > put in than any other activity so far. That doesn't mean that he got it right. I really, really hate delayed hover menus, and I hate doubly-delayed hover menus many times more. First, because they are inherently not discoverable, and secondly, because you are wasting my time, and every other user's time. I reject the argument that we are trying to teach children to click icons directly, and note that it doesn't even apply in the case of help. My general principle of UI design is, never, ever try to be smarter than your user. Not even if you are. Now that I know that help is on the menus on double delay, I will almost never use it that way, because typing is faster, but I will resent it every time I have to type it, because the menu could be faster. > --Gary > >>> The implementation is as basic as it can get: it evaluates an expression >>> at 100 points between the start and stop range. The internal parser is a >>> bit slow, but it's pure python and works reasonably well. >>> >>> With a bit of coding we could surely add some functionality to get data >>> from Measure in there too. >>> >>> I am not inclined to add RPN parsing myself, but patches will of course >>> be considered. >> >> Would you look at http://sourceforge.net/projects/calcrpnpy/ and tell >> me what you need done to it? >> >>> Regards, >>> Reinier >>> >>> Edward Cherlin wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Gary C Martin wrote: > On 10 Dec 2008, at 18:41, Walter Bender wrote: > > >> I haven't looked at it in a while, but what plotting engine is built >> inside of the Calculator Activity? >> >> -walter >> > I think Reinier wrote his own little svg plot generator class called > plotlib.py. > > --Gary > I didn't know about the plotting capability, which will have endless uses. It is certainly not discoverable. Can we feed a segment of a data stream from Measure to Calculate as a named function? Why don't we put something like plot(f(x),x=min..max) on the toolbar? Can we provide hints about the functions and syntax anywhere in the UI? Is there a way to recall and edit an input line? Are there other functions not exposed in the UI? I have a fairly old book called Numerical Analysis on the Pocket Calculator, which explains how to do all sorts of things that you might not expect on even the simplest 4- and 5-function devices, and works on up through the sort of algebraic calculator we have here to the programmable calculator. Our users will need something like this, to take maximum advantage of the seemingly limited capabilities we are offering them. And can we have an RPN mode? I can't tell you how much most real engineers hate parentheses. We are not doing children any favors by hiding the more advanced tools. >>> >>> -- >>> Reinier Heeres >>> Waalstraat 17 >>> 2515 XK Den Haag >>> The Netherlands >>> >>> Tel: +31 6 10852639 >>> >>> ___ >>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name >> And Children are my nation. >> The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai >> ___ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [bytesforall_readers] Learning skills, not degrees, will do
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 8:37 PM, Anil Jaggi wrote: > Pls. follow this links to understand the present ongoing education > systems and mental status o parents like me. > http://www.tribuneindia.com/2008/20081209/dplus1.htm > > > appreciate to get your comments, feedback > > Happy reading > Anil > At the Program for the Future conference in honor of Doug Engelbart on the 40th anniversary of The Mother of All Demos (Look him and it up on Wikipedia), I made the following statement. "Eleanor Roosevelt said that first-rate minds discuss ideas, second-rate minds discuss events, and third-rate minds discuss people. All of the history we teach in schools is about events and people, and not about ideas at all. All of what we do in schools is about getting the officially-approved Right Answer, but the most important questions don't have Right Answers. What is real? (Ontology) What is true, and how do we determine what to believe, what to reject, and what to withhold judgment on? (Epistemology) What should we do, even if we don't want to? (Ethics) All of politics, philosophy, and religion is about questions that do not have Right Answers. But as long as we only test children on having the Right Answers, they cannot learn anything else. How can we fix the schools in this situation?" Everybody agreed that this is the dilemma, but nobody had answers. Well, it's my question, and I have an answer to it. My organization, Earth Treasury (named for Kṣitigarbha Bodhisattva, protector of children) is preparing to write the new textbooks for this revolution in the schools, textbooks that will embed software to teach ideas and understanding, not just Right Answers, and mastery of skills, not just recipes for getting Right Answers. And the school textbook committees will not be able to keep them out of classrooms, nor will Ministries of Education or anybody else, because we will give these electronic textbooks away for free! Not only that, but we will license them so that any community can translate them to its own language and adapt them to its own needs. We will recruit the children themselves to tell us what works and what doesn't for teaching them, and get them to contribute to the next improved version, and the next one after that. There will be obstacles. It is a lot of work, and even if the books are free, the computers to run them will still cost money. Many countries do not have the political will to spend this money on children, especially not on poor children. Parties and politicians may resist even when you can prove that educated children will grow up to create new industries that will pay many times more than enough in taxes to make it a profitable investment. We will face opposition, too. The fiercest opposition will come from those who believe, or pretend to believe, that they do have all of the Right Anwers (all of them that matter, anyway): ideologues, charlatans, and the self-deluded of many kinds, political, pseudo-scientific, pseudo-economic, and pseudo-religious. They will say, and they do say, that those who seek the Truth are the charlatans; that those who work for the betterment of mankind are the charlatans; that those who plead for the widow and the orphan are the charlatans. As Gandhi-ji said, "First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win," and I add, then they claim it was their idea all along. Well, Harry Truman in the US said, "You can get a lot done if you don't mind who gets the credit." I'm not here for credit, I'm here to make it happen. Every one of you can play a part, because we need every kind of knowledge and skill that the children should know about. Even if you can't write software or textbooks, or translate them, you can try them out and show them to other people. You can tell the politicians that you want real education for your children and grandchildren. Never ask, "What can I do all alone?" You are not alone. Take the trouble to find out who is with you, and work on your goals together. You do not create a movement alone. You do it by finding the others who wish they could do something, and showing them how they can, just as you are doing. > Learning skills, not degrees, will do > Anil Jaggi > > A few years back, when I invited my cousins to a small family function, I > was advised by them to either postpone the function or excuse them for their > absence as their kids were headed for school unit tests. They did not attend > the function. Of course, I was not happy with their response. > > Rather, I was surprised and asked myself why they could'nt spare a few hours > for the function? Why was the whole family busy preparing the kids for > merely school unit tests, and that too for primary classes? > > Many years have passed since that episode and now I find myself face a > similar dilemma. I have to reschedule my personal/official programmes on the > basis of my kids school exams, unit tests etc. > > The family at
Re: [IAEP] Ncomputing and freedom of the child
Hi Bill Agree, many adults, who balk at compulsory censorship for adults, still think there is a place for protecting children I’m one of them A while ago you could walk into any computer lab in our school and you may have found half of the kids playing a first person shooter; gunning down each other’s avatar in virtual space, with graphic kill effects Its an uncomfortable feeling when any spare time (or time that students choose to make spare) ends up being used like this - and as an educator responsible for the network, not one I was willing to promote (and not one I’d be keen to defend if parents had questioned it) While we hadn’t installed any of this on the network, the issue was that the games could be run off USB sticks, and networked together nicely on that basis, even from the students restricted accounts (and I hope Sugar installation and network detection gets that easy) As a solution, we blocked executable files running off USBs…and I don’t think a single student has complained about losing any other functionality (we excepted the programming class who were building executables) Booting into Sugar would still have worked though [as the blocking policy operated once the other OS had loaded] Another teacher friend downloaded a range of flash games so there were some valid alternatives if students did want that sort of passive distraction My own interest is getting kids to take control, rather than play games…. I decompile some of the flash games and show them how to tweak parameters to change the effects etc - change the gravity in Dolphin Olympics; show them the maths behind the scenes here etc my tangential comment on thin clients and censorship, is that there are valid issues here; and I don’t intend to have my own children, or students, trump me by quoting the UN rights of the child I don’t know of any school that would install pornography or graphic violence in the school library, or pre-install such on the local network, under the name of the rights of the child to access information Our own ideas of the high road and freedom don’t go there (at least, mine don’t) …- and so we shouldn’t be surprised if many want to influence childrens access to these resources on remote networks …possibly inconsistent to do otherwise Cheers Rob From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Bill Kerr Sent: Saturday, 13 December 2008 11:21 AM To: Samuel Klein Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; Paul T Subject: Re: [IAEP] Ncomputing and freedom of the child tech considerations aside part of the appeal (in india and elsewhere) would be control, the computers stay in the labs, don't go home where students can then surf for porn etc. we are in the middle of a mandatory adult internet censorship battle in australia - enormous resistance and the government seems to be losing, thankfully however, I know many adult educators who don't support mandatory adult censorship but who nevertheless do advocate strongly that computers at home should not be in kids bedrooms, they should be in the lounge so that adults can constantly monitor their childrens surfing Not a practice that I supported for my own child and which I think goes counter to the UN Convention on the rights of the child: Article 13 1. The child shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of the child's choice. http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/k2crc.htm neverthless, although we are winning the adult censorship battle in australia - thanks to great leadership by Electronic Frontiers Australia and ISPs like internode who have refused to participate in the phony trial - don't underestimate the argument of many adults who do not think that children should have genuine ownership of a personal computer - and all the benefits that brings - due to the alleged risks of surfing the internet without close and constant supervision even some australian child care organisations are now coming out and opposing Conroy's digital counter revolution (play on Rudd governments election promise of a digital revolution with faster broadband and a laptop for every child years 9-12, still waiting and they won't be laptops) http://www.theage.com.au/news/technology/childrens-welfare-groups-slam-net-filters/2008/11/28/1227491813497.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1 if n-computing works then its advocates would argue: 1) cheaper 2) more control over what kids see Not sure about the cost issue but on point (2) it looks like we are stuck with having to argue that freedom for children is a good thing, well, lets hope we can win that one :-) no point in taking the low road when
Re: [IAEP] USB based access in Australia
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Caroline Meeks wrote: > hi Donna and other Aussies, > > Do you know the folks at Cybersource? > http://www.cyber.com.au/press/government_laptop_best_value_solution.html > > Here is a good article on it: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22209/53/ > > It looks like they are working on the idea I was calling School Key when we > met in Indianapolis. > > They may also be interested in looking at Sugar on a Stick to provide better > pedagogy for the younger grades and as a way to get in without the direct > linux-windows conflict the comments on this article suggest they are facing. > > I already sent an email to their info address but an introduction is always > nice. > > Thanks, > Caroline > > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Donna Benjamin wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I've long been a passionate advocate of the OLPC project, and followed >> with interest the development and creation of sugarlabs. >> >> As conference director for linux.conf.au in Melbourne earlier this year >> I oversaw the distribution of 100 XOs to delegates at the conference, >> and have recently tried to follow up with them to see how they're doing. >> >> Am also intending to continue working with XO owners, developers, >> teachers and learning researchers on community development, and project >> awareness in 2009. Excellent. Whatever we do in that direction needs to be publicized so that we can invite teachers, parents, and others with an interest to share with us. I'm pleased to see a proposal for school-level social networking, scalable to as many schools as we can get to. >> I'm particularly interested in cross-pollination between education >> and learning experts and developers to further the development of sugar >> as a platform for learning. I'm also keen to understand the cross- >> cultural issues encountered during deployments so we can adapt as >> necessary. Earth Treasury is organizing an interactive digital textbook development project to integrate XO hardware and Sugar softwar capabilities into lessons, and the results into the curriculum. We have discussed this with Alan Kay of Viewpoints Research Institute, the Doug Engelbart Institute, and other communities of practice, along with individual teachers, education researchers, subject-matter experts, and so on. Translation, both in terms of text and cultural appropriateness is central to the mission. In fact, we want to recruit students to the task of Continuous Improvement of our productions. >> I introduced the idea of building communities of practice to some people >> in the Aussie OLPC community, getting local groups of XO owners >> gathering with teachers and children to work together on testing, >> learning, discovering and documenting their experience. Have already >> had a few informal gatherings with some of the developers who got an XO >> at LCA - intending on doing more of that too. It would be brilliant to >> tap into the broader community to get a TODO list of tasks to accomplish >> and hack on. No shortage. I can provide lists of hundreds of desirable activities, and then we need the software components of our "textbooks" for every subject at every age. >> I think a handful of you already on the list will recognise me, as I've >> been drawn in on the odd conversation, so thought it was time to step >> aboard and say Hi Everyone! Welcome. >> cheers >> Donna >> >> -- >> Donna Benjamin - Executive Director >> Creative Contingencies - http://cc.com.au >> ph +61 3 9326 9985 - mob +61 418 310 414 >> open source - facilitation - web services >> >> ___ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > > -- > Caroline Meeks > Solution Grove > carol...@solutiongrove.com > > 617-500-3488 - Office > 505-213-3268 - Fax > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Ncomputing and freedom of the child
tech considerations aside part of the appeal (in india and elsewhere) would be control, the computers stay in the labs, don't go home where students can then surf for porn etc. we are in the middle of a mandatory adult internet censorship battle in australia - enormous resistance and the government seems to be losing, thankfully however, I know many adult educators who don't support mandatory adult censorship but who nevertheless do advocate strongly that computers at home should not be in kids bedrooms, they should be in the lounge so that adults can constantly monitor their childrens surfing Not a practice that I supported for my own child and which I think goes counter to the UN Convention on the rights of the child: *Article 13* 1. The child shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of the child's choice. http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/k2crc.htm neverthless, although we are winning the adult censorship battle in australia - thanks to great leadership by Electronic Frontiers Australia and ISPs like internode who have refused to participate in the phony trial - don't underestimate the argument of many adults who do not think that children should have genuine ownership of a personal computer - and all the benefits that brings - due to the alleged risks of surfing the internet without close and constant supervision even some australian child care organisations are now coming out and opposing Conroy's digital counter revolution (play on Rudd governments election promise of a digital revolution with faster broadband and a laptop for every child years 9-12, still waiting and they won't be laptops) http://www.theage.com.au/news/technology/childrens-welfare-groups-slam-net-filters/2008/11/28/1227491813497.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1 if n-computing works then its advocates would argue: 1) cheaper 2) more control over what kids see Not sure about the cost issue but on point (2) it looks like we are stuck with having to argue that freedom for children is a good thing, well, lets hope we can win that one :-) no point in taking the low road when the high road is the only available option On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Samuel Klein wrote: > Ncomputing is certainly not greener than using XOs, except perhaps for > the part where you use computers in a comp. lab less than you use a > portable laptop. > > But [no accounting] it's popular. It lets you use existing monitor > and sysadmin infrastructure. And a skole/sugar or ubuntu/sugar setup > that runs on Ncomputing labs would rock. Someone should find out what > they currently recommend for the user software stack in an NC lab. > It can hardly compare with the sugar activity selection or unified > experience. > > SJ > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:13 PM, wrote: > > We had a similar thin client system in the computer lab of an education > conference recently. At least 2 of the sessions could not run as planned > because the workstations did not have the functionality of a normal PC. In > my case I needed 32M of video memory. > > > > The same criticism though could be made of any low cost system, there's > lots of software you can't run on an OLPC. > > > > Their claim "since Ncomputing uses only 1 watt of energy (compared to 110 > watts for a PC), electricity usage is cut by more than 90%" ignores the > power in the monitor, maybe 100W. > > > > Similarly, the monitor cost may be similar to the cost of an OLPC. The > OLPC and its competitors like the eee may be better value. > > > > > >> I had a pissing match with their founder in the WSJ about a year > >> ago... I didn't get any straight answers from him about costs or > >> learning. But Sugar on their Ubuntu thin client sounds doable. > >> > >> -walter > >> > >> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Edward Cherlin > wrote: > >> > Has anybody evaluated Ncomputing's claims on cost, power, and the like > >> > for school deployments? For example, > >> > > >> > > http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Interview/Stephen_Dukker_CEO_Ncomputing/articleshow/3820649.cms > >> > http://www.ncomputing.com/republic-of-macedonia.aspx > >> > > >> > They run Ubuntu (or Windows) over thin clients, so they could run > >> > Sugar once the packaging problems are fixed (The journal currently > >> > saves precisely nothing). Has anybody talked with them? > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name > >> > And Children are my nation. > >> > The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. > >> > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai > >> > ___ > >> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > >> > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Walter B
[IAEP] Sugar - Local Lab - Partners
I have gotten confused by all of the threads going on about Local Labs:( So, as far as I am concerned, if the conversation doesn't happen on IAEP or a scheduled meeting, it didn't happen. Yes, I meant to un-subscribe from slobs. Yes, I am aware that if notion that knowledge is power holds true, I have given up all of my power. One of the ideas that we have been working on to encourage the use of Sugar is Local Labs[1]. My premise in thinking about Local Labs is that Sugar Labs is a rather abstract global organization (maling lists, wikis and git repositories) while teaching is a very concert and local. (from 9:50 to 10:25 you will be in room 127 for social studies) Local Labs are a mechanism to bridge that gap. First, I would like to distinguish between Local Labs and Partners. A Local Labs is basically a clone of Sugar Labs for a geographical region. A Partner is an entity that wants to leverage the Sugar brand to enhance their business. Their are several different models for open source partnerships. The two most common are subscription and percentage. In a subscription model, the partner commits a fixed amount to Sugar Labs in exchange for considerations such as use of the brand, the ability to fast track bug reports, and goodwill. In the subscription model a partner commits a percentage of their revenue in exchange for the same types of considerations. The relationship between Sugar Labs and Local Labs, is more like the relationship between spider plants[2] and their plantlets. To reproduce, a spider plant sends out stolons from which plantlets grow. Once the plantlet has developed, the stolen can be severed. Yet, both the original plant and the new plant are similar, because of their shared genetic matter. For Sugar Labs and local labs, the common genetic material is our mission, vision, and values. The mission is our goal, the vision is our inspiration, and our values are our guide. The stolen is the brave sole who, after internalizing Sugar Labs mission, vision, and values, decides to form a Lab in their region. For awhile, Sugar Labs will provide support in the form of infrastructure and advice. After a while, the support can be cut. Yet, the local lab will survive. After a few years, some local labs will have withered and died. Some will have thrived. Some may still be connected via the stolen. While Sugar Labs and Local Labs are made of the same genetic material, there will be differences. Differences in personality, culture, and emphasis. Local labs leader's and member's personality will be different. The local culture will affect the culture of the each Lab. Some labs may focus solely on deployments; others on translations, and development; other on content. david 1. http://sugarlabs.org/go/Local_labs 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider_plant ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Grassroots-l] SugarLabs Sur - Libre Social Network Project
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:52 AM, Sebastian Silva wrote: > Friends of our community, > > I'd like to introduce you to a project that Rafael, me, Alejandro > (proj.man.) , Antonio (django wiz), Alfredo (theather educ) and Jose > (mathematics professor at the UNMSM) have been working on. > It is our proposed strategy for training and supporting a large rural > and distributed sugar deployment including collaboration servers in > traditional Computer Labs settings. Already we are preparing for a > workshop with the first teachers in early february, when the roll out > will occur. +1 > We have two main strategies: > > - Reduce the maintenance overhead of schools by providing a tailored > suite + best practices + documentation ---"easy to replicate" Earth Treasury wants to work on the teaching materials. We announced our intention of forming an R&D consortium for this just a few days ago. > - Harnessing social network functionality for sharing, collaboration > and peer-support --- "easy to share" > > Everybody understands the value and power of social networks. However > these remain propietary and have a number of privacy and control > issues. We'll incorporate existing social networking software (could > be Elgg, NoseRub, Pinax...) that not only will provide "One Social > Network Per School", but will jumpstart the first (that I know of) > massive, self-replicating, decentralized educational social network > ecosystem, a network of social networks. And we want to make it extra > easy to add a node anywhere on the globe. That is another item that Earth Treasury has had on its To Do list. We have to be able to link schools and individual students around the world, for educational and social purposes, and then to create multinational partnerships to set up sustainable businesses. > Our expected deployment involves ~200 school laboratories (and > servers), and ~2300 workstations, for a total of tens of thousands of > students and their respective teachers who will be online and > collaborating with each other and with the community across > organizational, geographic, and cultural boundaries. We will foster > this community and bring them in touch with other teachers using Sugar > in the classroom. Perhaps even more schools will join this global > network, as we want to make it as simple as possible. What computers? XOs? Laptops? Desktops with Sugar on a Stick? > We hope to give details on this deployment soon but need a particular > confirmation from the Regional Government. We have submitted a > proposal for USAID challenge and would use the money as SugarLabs to > develop, prepare, tailor and integrate a platform that allows us to > deliver excellent teacher workshops that empower educators to > appropriate the technology and learn about it "in community" like we > so happily do in Free Software. > > Please find our proposal for at > http://www.netsquared.org/projects/free-social-networks-rural-education > > Give it a look. Think about it. A large social network owned by its > users, that can grow organically without any need for central offices > or large datacenters... Give us your comments and feedback and... > > Vote for it. The voting process is particular, you have to pick us, > and then 2 others. You can't vote unless you pick 3. Please do this > for us. > > I would do it if you were asking!;-) I did this before seeing your message. You rock. > In all seriousness, I think our proposal has a great chance, because > frankly, i think it rocks and is better than the other options, but > the first phase of the challenge involves the community for picking > 15, then a panel picks 3 winners. So we need you, community! > > Thank you for your time. > -- > Sebastian Silva > Iniciativa FuenteLibre > http://blog.sebastiansilva.com/ > ___ > Grassroots mailing list > grassro...@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Ncomputing
Ncomputing is certainly not greener than using XOs, except perhaps for the part where you use computers in a comp. lab less than you use a portable laptop. But [no accounting] it's popular. It lets you use existing monitor and sysadmin infrastructure. And a skole/sugar or ubuntu/sugar setup that runs on Ncomputing labs would rock. Someone should find out what they currently recommend for the user software stack in an NC lab. It can hardly compare with the sugar activity selection or unified experience. SJ On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:13 PM, wrote: > We had a similar thin client system in the computer lab of an education > conference recently. At least 2 of the sessions could not run as planned > because the workstations did not have the functionality of a normal PC. In my > case I needed 32M of video memory. > > The same criticism though could be made of any low cost system, there's lots > of software you can't run on an OLPC. > > Their claim "since Ncomputing uses only 1 watt of energy (compared to 110 > watts for a PC), electricity usage is cut by more than 90%" ignores the power > in the monitor, maybe 100W. > > Similarly, the monitor cost may be similar to the cost of an OLPC. The OLPC > and its competitors like the eee may be better value. > > >> I had a pissing match with their founder in the WSJ about a year >> ago... I didn't get any straight answers from him about costs or >> learning. But Sugar on their Ubuntu thin client sounds doable. >> >> -walter >> >> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: >> > Has anybody evaluated Ncomputing's claims on cost, power, and the like >> > for school deployments? For example, >> > >> > http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Interview/Stephen_Dukker_CEO_Ncomputing/articleshow/3820649.cms >> > http://www.ncomputing.com/republic-of-macedonia.aspx >> > >> > They run Ubuntu (or Windows) over thin clients, so they could run >> > Sugar once the packaging problems are fixed (The journal currently >> > saves precisely nothing). Has anybody talked with them? >> > >> > -- >> > Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name >> > And Children are my nation. >> > The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. >> > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai >> > ___ >> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> >> >> >> -- >> Walter Bender >> Sugar Labs >> http://www.sugarlabs.org >> ___ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> >> _ >> This mail has been virus scanned by Australia On Line >> see http://www.australiaonline.net.au/mailscanning > > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Ncomputing
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Walter Bender wrote: > I had a pissing match with their founder in the WSJ about a year > ago... I didn't get any straight answers from him about costs or > learning. But Sugar on their Ubuntu thin client sounds doable. One thing to keep in mind is that thin clients need very good, reliable networking. They need low latency and suck bandwidth. In other words, untethered wifi laptops and thin clients don't mix... To say more, multimedia and thin clients is not a happy match. For a proven solution in the area, Skolelinux / Linux-edu is a fantastic thin-client setup in-a-box, it's been runnign for ages, provides lots of good tools and it'd be trivial to set the desktop to be Sugar. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Ncomputing
We had a similar thin client system in the computer lab of an education conference recently. At least 2 of the sessions could not run as planned because the workstations did not have the functionality of a normal PC. In my case I needed 32M of video memory. The same criticism though could be made of any low cost system, there's lots of software you can't run on an OLPC. Their claim "since Ncomputing uses only 1 watt of energy (compared to 110 watts for a PC), electricity usage is cut by more than 90%" ignores the power in the monitor, maybe 100W. Similarly, the monitor cost may be similar to the cost of an OLPC. The OLPC and its competitors like the eee may be better value. > I had a pissing match with their founder in the WSJ about a year > ago... I didn't get any straight answers from him about costs or > learning. But Sugar on their Ubuntu thin client sounds doable. > > -walter > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: > > Has anybody evaluated Ncomputing's claims on cost, power, and the like > > for school deployments? For example, > > > > http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Interview/Stephen_Dukker_CEO_Ncomputing/articleshow/3820649.cms > > http://www.ncomputing.com/republic-of-macedonia.aspx > > > > They run Ubuntu (or Windows) over thin clients, so they could run > > Sugar once the packaging problems are fixed (The journal currently > > saves precisely nothing). Has anybody talked with them? > > > > -- > > Silent Thunder > > (é»é·/धरà¥à¤®à¤®à¥à¤à¤¶à¤¬à¥à¤¦à¤à¤°à¥à¤/دھر٠٠Ûگھشبدگر > > ج) is my name > > And Children are my nation. > > The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai > > ___ > > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > http://www.sugarlabs.org > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > _ > This mail has been virus scanned by Australia On Line > see http://www.australiaonline.net.au/mailscanning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [sugar] OLPC + Sugar
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 08:17:44PM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: >Look for a joint statement sometime next week... Folks, I'm sad to report that, after a week of trying, I wasn't able to make much progress on getting a joint statement written and published. It seems that the people who have the authority to speak lack motivation, that the people with the motivation to speak lack authority, and that several bystanders believe the statement would be meaningless even if written and published. In conclusion, unless and until this situation changes, the prognosis does not look good to me. Back to carrying on anyway... Regards, Michael P.S. - I guess Ivan was right to question me. :) P.P.S. - Even though I'm unsatisfied with how this has worked out so far, I do want to thank both Ed and Chuck for the gracious reception they gave my request to involve OLPC in drafting a statement. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Ncomputing
I had a pissing match with their founder in the WSJ about a year ago... I didn't get any straight answers from him about costs or learning. But Sugar on their Ubuntu thin client sounds doable. -walter On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: > Has anybody evaluated Ncomputing's claims on cost, power, and the like > for school deployments? For example, > > http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Interview/Stephen_Dukker_CEO_Ncomputing/articleshow/3820649.cms > http://www.ncomputing.com/republic-of-macedonia.aspx > > They run Ubuntu (or Windows) over thin clients, so they could run > Sugar once the packaging problems are fixed (The journal currently > saves precisely nothing). Has anybody talked with them? > > -- > Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name > And Children are my nation. > The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Ncomputing
Has anybody evaluated Ncomputing's claims on cost, power, and the like for school deployments? For example, http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Interview/Stephen_Dukker_CEO_Ncomputing/articleshow/3820649.cms http://www.ncomputing.com/republic-of-macedonia.aspx They run Ubuntu (or Windows) over thin clients, so they could run Sugar once the packaging problems are fixed (The journal currently saves precisely nothing). Has anybody talked with them? -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] TestingTeam -> Bugsquad
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 17:28, Eben Eliason wrote: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:55 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: >> Hi, >> >> we agreed in the QA-Meeting to rename the TestingTeam to Bugsquad [1]. >> Can someone with wiki powers move TestingTeam/* to BugSquad/*? > > Hmmm, the name change seems to imply something slightly different, to > me. I had hoped that the TestingTeam (in addition to direct testing > of builds) would coordinate usability testing either themselves, or > reach out to many volunteers who have been interested. However, > BugSquad seems like entirely the wrong name for that effort, and might > not be found at all by someone coming in from the outside looking to > help. How can we reconcile this? Well, usability testing should be carried by the Design team, I think. > PS. In general, BugSquad sounds like the people handling the pest > problem: triaging, generating reports, etc; not those in charge of > finding bugs. But maybe that's just me. I must apologize, of course, > for questioning, since I wasn't present at the meeting to hear the > arguments from both sides. ;) Yeah, bugs will be found by actual users ;) The idea is that SugarLabs itself provides Sugar, and Sugar isn't really a runnable product, it needs to be packaged and shipped inside a distro. So users will get a distro, use Sugar, and report bugs to their distro bug tracker. Then the distro bugsquad will file the relevant tickets in our tracker and our bugsquad will take care of that. Sounds fun, doesn't it? ;) Regards, Tomeu >> Thanks in advance, >>Simon >> >> PS: I know BugSquad does not fit in the Team terminology but BugTeam >> sounds awful and anomalies are nice :) >> >> [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2008-December/010291.html >> ___ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] TestingTeam -> Bugsquad
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Eben Eliason wrote: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:55 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: >> Hi, >> >> we agreed in the QA-Meeting to rename the TestingTeam to Bugsquad [1]. >> Can someone with wiki powers move TestingTeam/* to BugSquad/*? > > Hmmm, the name change seems to imply something slightly different, to > me. I had hoped that the TestingTeam (in addition to direct testing > of builds) would coordinate usability testing either themselves, or > reach out to many volunteers who have been interested. However, > BugSquad seems like entirely the wrong name for that effort, and might > not be found at all by someone coming in from the outside looking to > help. How can we reconcile this? See Simon notes about the testing meeting. It explains what the Bugsquad will do. Marco ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Fwd: [gnu.org #392095] Sugar Labs server at GNAPS]
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > Edward Cherlin wrote: >> I missed the beginning of this discussion on slobs. We have a >> continuing offer of free server space from Luke Crawford. The only >> restriction is on bandwidth. What size of downloads are you looking >> at? > > All the stuff we serve on download.sugarlabs.org, which will > eventually include source and binary packages for Sugar and some > activities. OK. Too much bandwidth, then. > The slices also came with low SLA guarantees, which is still useful > for buildbot and other non mission-critical services. > > -- > // Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ > \X/ Sugar Labs - http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] TestingTeam -> Bugsquad
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:55 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: > Hi, > > we agreed in the QA-Meeting to rename the TestingTeam to Bugsquad [1]. > Can someone with wiki powers move TestingTeam/* to BugSquad/*? Hmmm, the name change seems to imply something slightly different, to me. I had hoped that the TestingTeam (in addition to direct testing of builds) would coordinate usability testing either themselves, or reach out to many volunteers who have been interested. However, BugSquad seems like entirely the wrong name for that effort, and might not be found at all by someone coming in from the outside looking to help. How can we reconcile this? - Eben PS. In general, BugSquad sounds like the people handling the pest problem: triaging, generating reports, etc; not those in charge of finding bugs. But maybe that's just me. I must apologize, of course, for questioning, since I wasn't present at the meeting to hear the arguments from both sides. ;) > Thanks in advance, >Simon > > PS: I know BugSquad does not fit in the Team terminology but BugTeam > sounds awful and anomalies are nice :) > > [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2008-December/010291.html > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] TestingTeam -> Bugsquad
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:45:08PM +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:40, Marco Pesenti Gritti > wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Morgan Collett >> wrote: >>> The BugTeam sounds like the people who introduce the bugs, so that >>> would be the DevelopmentTeam :) >> >> I suggest we actually make a separate one to clarify the roles. I lead >> BugTeam and Simon leads Development :) > >Does it mean more paperwork for those of us who like adding new bugs? Nah, just fill out a 27B-Stroke-6 ;-) - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklCU8cACgkQn7DbMsAkQLhnmQCfbYZV/oKk9leIGfEm3I0U93/z 0YcAn0dp6fDT8/Q7xJylvp2WIHXThkrQ =0n2w -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] TestingTeam -> Bugsquad
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > Does it mean more paperwork for those of us who like adding new bugs? Nah it will be one man team! It means I'm the only one allowed to add new bugs! Marco ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] TestingTeam -> Bugsquad
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:40, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Morgan Collett > wrote: >> The BugTeam sounds like the people who introduce the bugs, so that >> would be the DevelopmentTeam :) > > I suggest we actually make a separate one to clarify the roles. I lead > BugTeam and Simon leads Development :) Does it mean more paperwork for those of us who like adding new bugs? Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] TestingTeam -> Bugsquad
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Morgan Collett wrote: > The BugTeam sounds like the people who introduce the bugs, so that > would be the DevelopmentTeam :) I suggest we actually make a separate one to clarify the roles. I lead BugTeam and Simon leads Development :) Marco ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] TestingTeam -> Bugsquad
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:55, Simon Schampijer wrote: > Hi, > > we agreed in the QA-Meeting to rename the TestingTeam to Bugsquad [1]. > Can someone with wiki powers move TestingTeam/* to BugSquad/*? > > Thanks in advance, >Simon > > PS: I know BugSquad does not fit in the Team terminology but BugTeam > sounds awful and anomalies are nice :) The BugTeam sounds like the people who introduce the bugs, so that would be the DevelopmentTeam :) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] TestingTeam -> Bugsquad
Hi, we agreed in the QA-Meeting to rename the TestingTeam to Bugsquad [1]. Can someone with wiki powers move TestingTeam/* to BugSquad/*? Thanks in advance, Simon PS: I know BugSquad does not fit in the Team terminology but BugTeam sounds awful and anomalies are nice :) [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2008-December/010291.html ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] 0.84 Schedule: adjust feature freeze
Hello, we discussed our current schedule in the developers meeting yesterday and agreed on the need to adjust the feature freeze in regard to the situation as of today. The new Feature Freeze, API, String freeze would be January the 16th - which will get our Beta 1 Release. Our final release date does not change, which gives us, starting from today, 4 working weeks to get all the features in and 6 to stabilize our release. Please have a look at the details at: http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Release/Roadmap#Schedule We encourage you to give feedback if that Freeze would not work out for you, otherwise we set it in stone and it will be officially announced. Thanks, Simon ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] SugarLabs Sur - Libre Social Network Project
Friends of our community, I'd like to introduce you to a project that Rafael, me, Alejandro (proj.man.) , Antonio (django wiz), Alfredo (theather educ) and Jose (mathematics professor at the UNMSM) have been working on. It is our proposed strategy for training and supporting a large rural and distributed sugar deployment including collaboration servers in traditional Computer Labs settings. Already we are preparing for a workshop with the first teachers in early february, when the roll out will occur. We have two main strategies: - Reduce the maintenance overhead of schools by providing a tailored suite + best practices + documentation ---"easy to replicate" - Harnessing social network functionality for sharing, collaboration and peer-support --- "easy to share" Everybody understands the value and power of social networks. However these remain propietary and have a number of privacy and control issues. We'll incorporate existing social networking software (could be Elgg, NoseRub, Pinax...) that not only will provide "One Social Network Per School", but will jumpstart the first (that I know of) massive, self-replicating, decentralized educational social network ecosystem, a network of social networks. And we want to make it extra easy to add a node anywhere on the globe. Our expected deployment involves ~200 school laboratories (and servers), and ~2300 workstations, for a total of tens of thousands of students and their respective teachers who will be online and collaborating with each other and with the community across organizational, geographic, and cultural boundaries. We will foster this community and bring them in touch with other teachers using Sugar in the classroom. Perhaps even more schools will join this global network, as we want to make it as simple as possible. We hope to give details on this deployment soon but need a particular confirmation from the Regional Government. We have submitted a proposal for USAID challenge and would use the money as SugarLabs to develop, prepare, tailor and integrate a platform that allows us to deliver excellent teacher workshops that empower educators to appropriate the technology and learn about it "in community" like we so happily do in Free Software. Please find our proposal for at http://www.netsquared.org/projects/free-social-networks-rural-education Give it a look. Think about it. A large social network owned by its users, that can grow organically without any need for central offices or large datacenters... Give us your comments and feedback and... Vote for it. The voting process is particular, you have to pick us, and then 2 others. You can't vote unless you pick 3. Please do this for us. I would do it if you were asking!;-) In all seriousness, I think our proposal has a great chance, because frankly, i think it rocks and is better than the other options, but the first phase of the challenge involves the community for picking 15, then a panel picks 3 winners. So we need you, community! Thank you for your time. -- Sebastian Silva Iniciativa FuenteLibre http://blog.sebastiansilva.com/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
