[IAEP] Agenda for the Friday community meetup at FOSDEM
Hello, to save some time in the morning, we'd like to come up with a tentative schedule beforehand: http://sugarlabs.org/go/MarketingTeam/Events/FOSDEM_2009#Agenda Nothing is set in stone, this is an informal event after all. If you have something to talk about, just go on and add it to the agenda somewhere in a free spot. Anyone is welcome to join, but please add your name to the list of attendants or we'll let you outside in the snow for 2 hours. In case of doubt, we are coordinating on #sugar. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://www.sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] ICA or ICLA for SugarLabs ?
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 15:50, Bernie Innocenti ber...@laptop.org wrote: - in no case ask people to sing NDAs or copyright attributions; And anything we do have to sing, should be playable with free codecs. :) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] ICA or ICLA for SugarLabs ?
Morgan Collett wrote: On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 15:50, Bernie Innocenti ber...@laptop.org wrote: - in no case ask people to sing NDAs or copyright attributions; And anything we do have to sing, should be playable with free codecs. ROTFL! ;- -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://www.sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Preparing for Sucrose 0.84 Release Candidate 1
Hello, We had a Sucrose 0.83.5 development release planed for January the 30 - we missed that opportunity. We just did an uncoordinated release of the latest sugar, sugar-toolkit and sugar-datastore so packagers can get those into the builds already. The next Sucrose release is next week - which will be our Release Candidate 1 [1]. Make sure to polish everything up and get your fixes in. Testers, please have a look at the new SoaS announcements (snapshots can be found at [2]) and the packages in your distribution of choice. Sincerely, Your release team [1] http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Release/Roadmap#Schedule [2] http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/1/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] irc logs
Martin Dengler wrote: Contention: nobody interested in comprehending the logs will not have (or be granted) a shell account from which they can just run irssi and take care of the logging themselves. In case someone is missing a suitable shell account, I've installed irssi and screen on our shell server. Sunjammer account holders: any package you need installed, just ask your friendly bofh. We want people to feel at home there. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://www.sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Technical Report on OLPC Etoys
A new Technical Report has been posted to the VPRI website, titled Etoys for One Laptop Per Child by Scott Wallace, Yoshiki Ohshima, and Yours Truly: http://www.vpri.org/html/writings.php Abstract We present an overview of the “OLPC Etoys” system, describe the intensive two-year development effort that produced the system, and discuss lessons learned. OLPC Etoys is an end-user authoring system for children, which was chosen to be distributed with the OLPC XO laptops at an early stage of the OLPC project. Since we planned to derive OLPC Etoys by evolving an existing, mature system (“Squeakland”), it was expected to be a relatively straightforward undertaking. However, the OLPC XO platform’s special hardware characteristics, the evolution of the Sugar software stack, and the fundamentally international and multilingual nature of the project, all conspired to make the development effort challenging. Over the two-year course of the project, we successfully kept up with the challenges, and delivered usable Etoys systems for every OLPC release. We steadily improved the UI, added a few high-leverage features, and fixed bugs, with a small and widely-distributed team and with help from the community. - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Technical Report on OLPC Etoys
bravo!! encore :) -walter On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: A new Technical Report has been posted to the VPRI website, titled Etoys for One Laptop Per Child by Scott Wallace, Yoshiki Ohshima, and Yours Truly: http://www.vpri.org/html/writings.php Abstract We present an overview of the OLPC Etoys system, describe the intensive two-year development effort that produced the system, and discuss lessons learned. OLPC Etoys is an end-user authoring system for children, which was chosen to be distributed with the OLPC XO laptops at an early stage of the OLPC project. Since we planned to derive OLPC Etoys by evolving an existing, mature system (Squeakland), it was expected to be a relatively straightforward undertaking. However, the OLPC XO platform's special hardware characteristics, the evolution of the Sugar software stack, and the fundamentally international and multilingual nature of the project, all conspired to make the development effort challenging. Over the two-year course of the project, we successfully kept up with the challenges, and delivered usable Etoys systems for every OLPC release. We steadily improved the UI, added a few high-leverage features, and fixed bugs, with a small and widely-distributed team and with help from the community. - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [FOSDEM] Room for Sugar meeting on Friday
[cc += fosdem@, i...@] Benjamin, where do we meet? I'm telling people to come at 10AM, but perhaps it would it would be wiser for us to arrive at 9AM so we can organize together. My mobile numbers are +39-377-1436808 and +39-329-4008545 I've seen the generic directions for the HSB, but do you have any suggestions for shortcuts coming from the Frederiksborg Hotel in Avenue Broustin? Most of us are staying there. Updates regarding the event are being published in our wiki (feel free to edit as needed): http://sugarlabs.org/go/MarketingTeam/Events/FOSDEM_2009 Benjamin Henrion wrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote: Benjamin Henrion schrieb: On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Thanks for the kind offer! I'm cc'ing some of my colleagues. The complete list of attendees is here: http://sugarlabs.org/go/MarketingTeam/Events/FOSDEM_2009 We still have to find someone from HSB to be there the whole Friday as Pieter just said. I will ask on our mailing-list to see if there is someone available. Benjamin, any updates on this front over the weekend? We need to know by Thursday (at the very latest) whether we can in fact use the Hackerspace as otherwise we'd have to register to get through security at the alternate location (at the SWIFT campus). Yes, no problem, I will take a day off on Friday before FOSDEM. -- Benjamin Henrion bhenrion at ffii.org FFII Brussels - +32-484-566109 - +32-2-4148403 -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://www.sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] irc logs
You can always set up your own eggdrop bot with logs2html which creates a webpage and updates every couple minutes... the results look very good: www.nubae.com/logs I could copy the eggdrop logs file and other elements... and then all u have to do is change the channel name/s David On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Martin Dengler wrote: Contention: nobody interested in comprehending the logs will not have (or be granted) a shell account from which they can just run irssi and take care of the logging themselves. In case someone is missing a suitable shell account, I've installed irssi and screen on our shell server. Sunjammer account holders: any package you need installed, just ask your friendly bofh. We want people to feel at home there. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://www.sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] No ActivityTeam meeting this Friday
We didn't schedule one, but in case anyone thought there would be, there is no ActivityTeam meeting this Friday. I'm out of town this week, and I'm leaning towards bi-weekly anyway. I'll send out another email when we set the next time. Cheers, Wade ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] irc logs
If I may summerize: after counting all the votes/opinions here and on irc (but how can we check?), it's mostly for and no real against to having #sugar logged. And perhaps the path of least resistance is for David to add an extra line to his irc-logger config file. If so, David, I ask you politely, and as a friend without proper facilities of his own, to accept this great task of firing up your preferred text editor. My thanks will be eternal, or until the LHC will do its destructive damage. /Ties On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: David Van Assche wrote: You can always set up your own eggdrop bot with logs2html which creates a webpage and updates every couple minutes... the results look very good: www.nubae.com/logs I could copy the eggdrop logs file and other elements... and then all u have to do is change the channel name/s Err, actually I thought _you_ wanted to do it :-) Sorry, I'm not sufficiently motivated to setup and maintain an IRC logging service myself, but I'm glad to facilitate it with our infrastructure. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://www.sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] irc logs
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Ties Stuij cjst...@gmail.com wrote: If I may summerize: after counting all the votes/opinions here and on irc (but how can we check?), it's mostly for and no real against to having #sugar logged. I'm curious as to how you came to this conclusion. Martin and I both were against logging, citing its chilling effects among other things. Jameson requested that logging be noindex'd, otherwise he'd be against it. (while not blocker against) Bernie proposed a reasonable solution that can be implemented without infringing upon anyone's privacy: private logging done by a user on a shell account, as is the norm for most IRC conversations. -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] irc logs
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc wrote: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Ties Stuij cjst...@gmail.com wrote: If I may summerize: after counting all the votes/opinions here and on irc (but how can we check?), it's mostly for and no real against to having #sugar logged. I'm curious as to how you came to this conclusion. Ehhm, ok. You said you disliked logging, without qualifying your dislike. That didn't seem as a very strong against. As for Martin he said, if I may quote: I don't think the audience might understand the volume, verbosity, and context-mining involved in browsing such a log. That didn't seem like a very strong against opinion either. Not something that warranted further discussion. On irc people mostly offered setting up an irc channel, and seemed to be ok with it. Tomeu said it might be nice so as to indicate Sugar is an open organisation, as a token if you will. There was some talk about the merit of 'private kitchentables' for projects in general, but it seemed like it was poised in the spirit of general debate, not applying to logging the #sugar mailing list in particular. So people do have different opinions on various levels of openness, but no-one seemed to feel that strongly about not logging, and when I tallied up the votes (the hard ones and the ones given in passing), the ayes seemed to outstrip the nays about two-and-a-half to one. Again, I for one do like the openness, indexability by search engines, ability for everybody to read the backlog, and the ability to link to past discussions for reference. This for a public channel that can be tracked by anyone if she/he wishes, so I don't really understand the privacy-concerns. But if you, and others DO feel very strong about it, and consensus can't be reached, then we default to current practices I guess. I don't feel that strong about the whole deal. But let me propose a compromise, which was mentioned before in passing: Logging yes, but not indexable by the major search engines through a robots.txt file. Otherwise I'll ask our friendly bofh. /Ties ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
