Re: [IAEP] Measure Log?
Claudia Urrea and John Watlington were just looking at this issue and have some patches... Perhaps we can get them to post a new version (in git.sugarlabs.org -- hint hint). -walter On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi... One of our Contributors Program clients is trying to interface a sensor with the Measure Activity. He says he has updated his software which probably means he is using V.21. He wants to be able to record and save the results of his input. We have both looked at v.21 and at the screenshots on the wiki. They are totally different. The Log tab is missing from v.21. How does he record, save, and export his results in the new version? Thanks, Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] netbook as terminology
I need to get more sleep (^through^threw ^come^came). The unnamed person was Yves Behar (ir someone on his team). -walter On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Bill Kerr billk...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: When we began the project, I lobbied to call it a Children's Machine (CM) in reference both to Seymour Papert's book and as a reference to the CM series of connection machines that Danny Hillis created at Thinking Machines, another effort where they through away the rules to make a solution to fit a class of problems rather than make the problem fit the solution. Of course, XO is a brilliant name, that come from our design team as I recall, and I don't doubt that it was the correct decision for OLPC at the time. I agree that xo is a brilliant name. Congratulalions to the un-named person who thought it up. Some of these names convey functionality and purpose far better than the others. I have broken them into three categories based on how it feels to me. PURPOSE: Childrens Machine xo FUNCTION: Connection Machine Dynabook smartbook TECHNO CENTRIC: netbook MID thin-and-light low cost small notebook PC low cost ultra-portable notebook computers (Microsoft mouthfulhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsoft-wants-new-term-for-netbooks-unhappy-with-other-5-ch/ ) ultra-portable mini notebooks I don't know that we should decide to push a name change on the market. The point I will make at the Desktop Summit is that the marketing of netbooks with 3G set an expectation that they are part of the cloud and that the push for bigger, fatter, faster netbooks has eroded the opportunity to think about new approaches to computing that smaller and lighter afford. But there remain opportunities to redefine the desktop, keeping it relevant, in many areas, ours being K-6. Even in the developed world, the Internet is not everywhere, e.g., most classrooms, and as much as it has been good for the service providers to pitch it as true, the cloud is not right solution to every problem. Would a good description of the sugar desktop be community user interface stressing F1 and F2 over the more traditional F3? That was my interpretation from reading the OLPC Human interface guidelines: Most developers are familiar with the desktop metaphorhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_metaphorthat dominates the modern-day computer experience. This metaphor has evolved over the past 30 years, giving rise to distinct classes of interface elements that we expect to find in every OS: desktop, icons, files, folders, windows, etc. While this metaphor makes sense at the office—and perhaps even at home—it does not translate well into a collaborative environment such as the one that the OLPC laptops will embody. Therefore, we have adopted a new set of metaphors that emphasize community. While there are some correlations between the Sugar UI and those of traditional desktops, there are also clear distinctions. It is these distinctions that are the subject of the remainder of this section. We highlight the reasoning behind our shift in perspective and detail functionality with respect to the overall laptop experience http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Laptop_Experience/Introduction This article more or less persuaded me that cloud computing was an inevitable (long term) trend http://asc-parc.blogspot.com/2009/01/cloud-computing-science20-and-social.html The main value proposition is further abstraction that reduces management costs. For example, backup storage is abstracted into the cloud, so you don't have to worry about your hard disk failing. Computation is abstracted into the cloud, so you don't have to worry about not having enough computational nodes for your data analysis job. It is an inevitable trend in computing, because of the need to reduce complexity and data-management/computation-management costs. It's clear that, in the near future, the backup storage and computation will continue to evolve into collaborative workspaces that you never have to administer, nor would you have to worry about backing up your work Meanwhile back in the real world a huge problem in schools is filtering of the internet which ends up making many useful sites not accessible to most in school time (and in practice slows things down) - some students now by pass the filter using smart phones, smart phones as modems, 3G USB devices etc. - expensive for them but good to see the internet routing around this damage Education Departments don't seem capable of providing fast untrammelled internet access in my experience -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Reading (was Re: changes in outlook with Sugar
Edward, I think you have an interesting idea here. It reminded me of the scene in _2001 A Space Odyssey_ where Hal 9000 is having the higher functions of his brain disconnected and he tries to sing Daisy while he still has enough connected to do it. From my experience working with espeak I'd say that getting a computer to sing, even badly, may be beyond what we can reasonably do today. Espeak can speak at different pitches and rates, but I don't think you can change pitch and rate while speech is going on and if you could that's still a long way off from actual singing. If there is value in making a Sugar Activity that acts as a regular Karaoke machine that may be doable. There is Karaoke software written in Python that can do Karaoke and it can play OGG files. It may be possible to make a Sugar Activity version of this software. It's called cdgtools and the link is: http://www.kibosh.org/cdgtools/. James Simmons We have a starting point for achieving fluency naturally in the karaoke-colored TTS speech engine under development. We need to provide it as a resource to all Activities that deal in text. We definitely want it to be able to read stories to the children. We also should use it to create a singalong program stocked with folk songs of the culture, because Same-Language-Subtitled Bollywood musicals and TV singalongs have proven to be the best literacy program in India, and indeed anywhere in the world. Singing engages parts of the brain that are not involved in reading text, and makes singing both more enjoyable and more memorable than reading text. Rhyme and meter are also important aids to memory and to enjoyment. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Problems Saving in Scratch
Hi, Two grandkids playing with Scratch in build 802. Both have received this message when trying to save their projects: Save failed:Folder may be locked or read-only Is this a bug or are they doing something wrong? It happens both with a simple Save and a Save As I checked the Journals. One shows 535 MB free, the other 545 MB free. Thanks, Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Problems Saving in Scratch
My off the cuff guess is that the directory scratch is trying to save to is owned by root. Can you use the terminal activity and run the ls command: ls -ld ~/Activities/Scratch.activity Please post the output to email. -walter On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, Two grandkids playing with Scratch in build 802. Both have received this message when trying to save their projects: Save failed: Folder may be locked or read-only Is this a bug or are they doing something wrong? It happens both with a simple Save and a Save As I checked the Journals. One shows 535 MB free, the other 545 MB free. Thanks, Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Reading (was Re: changes in outlook with Sugar
Hi Jim, On 4 Jul 2009, at 17:09, Jim Simmons wrote: Edward, I think you have an interesting idea here. It reminded me of the scene in _2001 A Space Odyssey_ where Hal 9000 is having the higher functions of his brain disconnected and he tries to sing Daisy while he still has enough connected to do it. From my experience working with espeak I'd say that getting a computer to sing, even badly, may be beyond what we can reasonably do today. Espeak can speak at different pitches and rates, but I don't think you can change pitch and rate while speech is going on and if you could that's still a long way off from actual singing. Not convinced it would make a viable solution for Sugar but... There's a speech synth called Festival (actually developed by Edinburgh University, my old Uni). It does support a singing mode, but others have extended it more completely. Here's some MIDI generated samples from flinger (festival singer): http://speech.bme.ogi.edu/cgi-bin/flinger/show_jukebox.pl?all A few yeas back a colleague of mine was involved in a gallery art installation that used (I think) 4 Mac minis mounted on a wall, and a small back room server to parse incoming junk mail. The Mac minis then sang out some of that text content realtime :-) Regards, --Gary ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Reading (was Re: changes in outlook with Sugar
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Jim, On 4 Jul 2009, at 17:09, Jim Simmons wrote: Edward, I think you have an interesting idea here. It reminded me of the scene in _2001 A Space Odyssey_ where Hal 9000 is having the higher functions of his brain disconnected and he tries to sing Daisy while he still has enough connected to do it. From my experience working with espeak I'd say that getting a computer to sing, even badly, may be beyond what we can reasonably do today. It has been done. Google 「computer sing」 . But that doesn't matter for the purpose of Same-Language Subtitling of videos of people singing, or a karaoke program with text synched to MP3s. Espeak can speak at different pitches and rates, but I don't think you can change pitch and rate while speech is going on and if you could that's still a long way off from actual singing. Not convinced it would make a viable solution for Sugar but... There's a speech synth called Festival (actually developed by Edinburgh University, my old Uni). It does support a singing mode, but others have extended it more completely. Here's some MIDI generated samples from flinger (festival singer): http://speech.bme.ogi.edu/cgi-bin/flinger/show_jukebox.pl?all http://www.chuckcaplan.com/blog/archives/2007/09/make_your_compu.html September 07, 2007 Make Your Computer Sing With Festival A few yeas back a colleague of mine was involved in a gallery art installation that used (I think) 4 Mac minis mounted on a wall, and a small back room server to parse incoming junk mail. The Mac minis then sang out some of that text content realtime :-) Regards, --Gary -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
