[IAEP] Fwd: Continued Success

[Caroline Meeks]

This is a post from a teacher in a rural school in Maine.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Laura Johns 
Date: Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Continued Success
To: Caroline Meeks 


Yes, I wrote this up to keep track of what I am doing:

These are my goals: 1) get SoaS collaborating on multiple laptops, 2)
install SoaS on the laptops and 3) make a one step install package and 4)
integrate SoaS into the existing program at school

Goal 1 – My school has Macbooks (PPC, 10.5) so I choose to use Sun's Virtual
Box. The stumbling blocks for me were the VB network settings (Intel
PRO/1000 MT Desktop, Bridged adapter, en1: AirPort) and recognizing that
keys are generated when you first log in from the master copy of the image.
With no server (ie no jabber.sugar.org) settings, SoaS seems to look around
locally. I look forward to trying this with a class of 20 laptops.

Goal 2 – I have figured out to create simple packages using Apple's
application called PackageMaker. Finding PackageMaker is a trick unto
itself, it is part of the Xcode Tools available at
http://developer.apple.com/ or on your Install disks. The first packages I
put together were 3 separate packages for Virtual Box, the master image of
SoaS-Strawberry.vdi, and Sugar.app, the file which launches the whole
thing.  The user is left to install the image into VB. Although I feel
comfortable leading my students through this, many teachers would not.

Goal 3 – Well I am working on this. My approach is to create a metapackage
that includes the VirtualBox package, the playlist in user preferences and
the folder in the User's Library. I am learning as I go...

Goal 4 – More on this later.

 The key to getting SoaS out in my area is the meta-package for OS X 10.5
. Several teachers, in different Unions have expressed interest in this and
at least one of them is capable of setting up a jabber server.  We have had
numerous email conversations and one demonstration for our combined group of
administrators. It was well received.

On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:33 AM, Caroline Meeks wrote:

This is great! Can we forward to the mailing list?

Thanks,
Caroline

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Laura Johns wrote:

> I have continued to have success with my project to install SoaS at my
> school. I verified that SoaS will run on the laptops issued by Maine's
> 1-to-1 initiative and developed packages so I can push this software out to
> the 50 or so laptops involved.
>
> The packages seem to work.  Here is the proof. Notice the Sugar Icon
> sitting proudly on the dock.  Thanks for all your help, Laura




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[IAEP] Notes from GPA 7-21

[Caroline Meeks]

2nd Grade working with turtle art and a community map.

The goal of the class was to add a photo from a field trip to their
existing turtle art maps

Demoed
-entering the neighborhood
-clicking on shared browse activity
-opening  bookmark
-choose an image
- right clicking to download photo
-going to turtle art
- using show block to get the photos into a show block (this task they
had done before)

Kids then tried it: Here were the issues at each stage.

Entering the neighborhood.

Kids had trouble getting to the frame. I had not introduced the
keyboard shortcuts.  We are thinking of getting stickers and putting
them on the F keys in the computer lab.

TODO Make and buy stickers

Clicking on the shared browse activity

Someone went to the home and clicked on browse rather then to
neighborhood.  For someone this reopened a shared browse from last
time. However, the url bookmarked in the old activity required login
so it didn't work. Thus some kids opened the wrong browse and
everything appeared the same but twhen they clicked on the bookmark
thumbnail it didn't work. very confusing.

TODO: Create a lesson that introduces the neighborhood and shared
activities and the difference between resumed and new activities.

-Choose an image
We had too many choices. We should have narrowed it down to about 5 or
10 choices.  The kids did have a very good time looking at their
photos and everyone did eventually pick one or more so maybe its ok.
But I would recommend fewer next time.

We also had them click to the big view to download. Given we want them
small on the map we could have them download the thumbnail instead.

Right click to download image
This was very hard for the kids. They weren't aware of two buttons and
didn't know their right from their left.

The also have a hard time with the count down and the ok. They miss it.

As mentioned in previous report we need a way to share files directly
into student journals.

Going to turtle art
Hadn't gotten the concept of different activities yet. Hard time
getting to the frame. hard time remembering they needed to click on
the single dot.

Buttons and a lesson that introduces the concept of activities will be helpful.

Using the show block to get the image into turtle art

The file name picasso downloaded is long and nonuseful. Having a
better way to get the images into the journal would help with this.
Sometimes they click on a turtle art icon rather then an image, this
results in a picture of the turtle art activity being displayed. So it
sort of works.  We need to teach more about what activities are and
how the journal works.

BUG: journal does not show a preview of the downloaded image.

The kids are also still struggling with X and Y. Now that we have
collaboration working we can give them a turtle art instance with an X
and Y coordinate and practice explicitly with that skill.

Our plans are:
- Thursday we are working with a turtle art clock program
- Tuesday we will create a turtle art with a coordinate system in it
and share it with the class and work with that and printing out the X
and Y.  Then we will do another pass of putting more pictures on the
map.

Overall its going well and the teachers are pleased. We are
challenging the kids but they are staying engaged and learning. They
are picking up on the culture of helping each other.  The novelty of
the computers and turtle has worn off a bit but they are still very
engaged in what they are trying to do and create.  Everyone stayed
engaged and made progress.

They really enjoyed seeing their pictures.  The joy we take for
granted, getting to look at your pictures all on your own screen,
switching between pictures whenever you are ready, completely under
your control, I think that isn't something these 7 year olds get very
often.

I see evidence for the theory of action that using computers to create
artifacts that are relevant to their life and that they are proud of
will engage children and result in them continuing to try when they
might otherwise give up and that continued effort and engagement, even
when confronted with initial difficulties, will result in increased
learning.

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Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] (engineering) capacity building---with BITESIZE *challenges* for volunteers :)

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Adam, Tomeu, Caroline, SGers and IAEP folks,
Good stuff... you know the old saying, "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em." For 
those of you who aren't teacher types (yet), here are some things you might be 
interested in...
Ah yes, Caroline mentioned ZPD.  Here is a link to more about ZPD, done about 3 
years ago by a certain relative of mine.   It flies by pretty fast so you have 
to hit "pause" for each caption unless you are a speed reader.


http://www.dlp4success.com/portfolios/chris/BitsBytes/mar-apr_06/theory_mar06.htm


If you would like to see what he is working on now, mostly ARG (alternative or 
alternate reality gaming),  check out his Classroom 2.0 session this Saturday 
morning at :


http://bigenhoc.wordpress.com/telling-stories-through-digital-threads/


Caryl

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] GPA Goals Status

[Caroline Meeks]

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Gary C Martin  wrote:

> Hi Greg,
>
> On 21 Jul 2009, at 14:51, Greg Smith wrote:
>
> > I may also add a feature to share a file from one
> > computer to another. I want to see a lesson plan needing that first.
> > Then I'll try out the suggestions recently posted to the list before I
> > ask for a new feature.
>
> Have you tried using the "Send to --> friend" Journal feature?
> Obviously you need local collaboration working first, and added some
> friends:
>
>
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.84/0.83.5_Notes#Journal_entry_palette


Send to sends to one person and we need to have one person (the teacher in
this use case) send to everyone in the class/neighborhood.

That said, I wonder if we can use this as a work around while we wait for
designers and programmers to figure out the usecase.

Is there a clever human engineering solution that would quickly allow each
kid to send it to two other kids and get full coverage quickly?  sort of
like a calling tree?  I think what I'm asking is how could I in a  classroom
management situation set up file sending tree quickly that includes everyone
and doesn't cause too much chaos and is resilient to kids being absent and
some kids being socially isolated.


>
> Regards,
> --Gary
>
> P.S. I think Collaborate mentioned something about sending via a
> Jabber server being more recently implemented, but not sure if that is
> an official release yet, or if Sugar is able to use it.
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Re: [IAEP] Building a business of Sugar/Jabber

[Caroline Meeks]

We are also about to start selling sticks and offering services.  I am
getting lots of experience teaching kids with Sugar too, although I'm not
planning on doing that for pay in the immediate future, I'm volunteering on
the pilots.

Where are you located? We should see if there is a good way to work
together.  In this business its all about expanding the pie!

Cheers,
Caroline

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz <
bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu> wrote:

> Russell Brown wrote:
> > My question is: am I allowed to make money from this?
>
> Yes!  The only restriction is the software licenses, which are all "GPL or
> less", and should have absolutely no impact on a
> distribution/support/training business.*
>
> We actively encourage people to start business distributing and supporting
> Sugar.  Moreover, if you encounter difficulties in the process, we want to
> know about them and fix them, because we want other people to be able to
> do the same thing, all over the world.
>
> We have also been sketching a system in which a company like yours could
> be recognized and promoted by Sugar Labs.
>
> Good luck!
>
> --Ben
>
> *: so the only restriction is that if you modify Sugar, you have to make
> your modifications available as source code, so that we can integrate your
> changes upstream ... but really you'd want to do this anyway, to avoid the
> enormous workload of maintaining a private branch.
>
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Re: [IAEP] (engineering) capacity building

[Caroline Meeks]

>
> As an aside, I don't believe too much in the "scratch your own itch"
> explanation for free software volunteer coding. If you go for example
> planet.gnome.org and skim through the posts there while asking to
> yourself why these people take the time to write free software instead
> of watching TV, I don't think you will find many cases of people who
> are hacking on things because they themselves need that feature in
> their app.
>
> I think that the itches they are scratching are more likely the desire
> to do something fun and interesting and to do something more
> significant than earning money in a bank by managing code monkeys or
> writing software that nobody they know will ever use.
>
> That's why I think that we can tune our message much better in order
> to reach those people, I don't see why the GNOME desktop would have
> more appeal to hack on it than Sugar.


I agree with Tomeu and I was thinking about it and decided just for fun to
try to restate what he said in education jargon.

I think people want to do projects that are authentic and within their zone
of proximal development.

Authentic = more significant then earning money in a bank. We help our
volunteers understand that their contributions are authentic by giving them
concrete usecase and feedback from actual kids using it in schools. I hope
we can also do it by having people able to go into schools with sticks and
have kids use Sugar and learn.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authentic_assessment#About

Zone of Proximal Development.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_of_proximal_development#Development

This means a task that is neither to easy or to difficult but is optimal for
learning.  I think one of our challenges is to help potential volunteers
find tasks that they can learn from, but still do with tons of assistance.

We can also turn that around and take our most important tasks, and figure
out where could we find people for whom those tasks are within their ZPD.



>
> > Another release at our current development and growth rates and Sugar
> > will be pretty deployable.  Another release after that an it will be
> > pretty usable.
> >
> > As developers, the best way you can engage more developers is by
> > making Sugar great.  The most effective way for open source projects
> > to attract and retain contributors is to have a good base of code and
> > a healthy community.
>
> Yup, totally agreed.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tomeu
>
> > david
> >
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Tomeu
> >>
> >>> Sean
> >>>
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Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] Next run of Sugar Labs Sticks

[Sean DALY]

Hi Caroline great! just a question, why 2 Gb instead of 1 Gb ?

Sean


On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:54 AM, Caroline
Meeks wrote:
> I'm going to place an order for more Sugar Labs branded USB sticks.
> The cost will be in the $7.50 to $9 per 2GB stick, depending on how
> many I order.
>
> Would anyone like to go in on the order so I can bring up the volume?
>
> I want them without caps this time so I'm going to go for this style
> (Saratoga) in red.
>
> Thanks,
> Caroline
>
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] Building a business of Sugar/Jabber

[Sean DALY]

Greetings Russell,

The Sugar Labs Marketing Team has developed some marketing materials
you can use and adapt (posters, visuals).

We are very interested in starting an ecosystem for Sugar deployers,
at the front line supplying support to schools. We are not sure yet
ourselves what model(s) would work best, but with Sugar improving all
the time, and the Sugar community growing, we are confident in Sugar's
prospects in schools and on OLPC machines.

Feel free to mail me or the Marketing list with questions. Although
I'll be mostly unavailable until the end of August (moving house +
vacation), i'll try to help if I can
thanks

Sean




On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Russell
Brown wrote:
> Hi,
> Please accept my apologies if this is the wrong list for this, and
> please be kind enough to direct me to the correct one if you have the
> time.
>
> I've been aware of OLPC for some time. It is only with the recent
> Sugar On A Stick release that I have actually tried the Sugar platform
> for myself. On its own it is brilliant, but with a Jabber server for
> collaboration thrown in it is truly astounding. I often lament the use
> of Windows and Office (!!!, can you believe it?) at schools. My son is
> in primary school and he hates their ICT classes too. And when I hear
> how much my local authority just spent on providing Vista and Office
> to all High School children...
>
> I have been thinking of starting a computer club at my son's school
> for some time and now, with Sugar On A Stick the barrier to entry is
> suddenly miniscule. They Already have a bunch of PCs on a network...
>
> I have some Sugar instances and a patched Ejabberd server running in
> VMs and the collab is awesome. I also have an Asus eeepc running SOAS
> my kids love playing "memorze" against each other. And having robot
> chat blows them away.
>
> So...I can see that what you have is the most amazing platform and
> with the Ejabberd platform it is streets ahead of the alternatives...
>
> My question is: am I allowed to make money from this? I have a few
> ideas including
>
> 1) Computer course for kids in summer holidays...this would just be a
> day or two, but I would want to charge
> 2) Sell school server and SOAS devices to schools/clubs/whoever
>
> The 2nd is way ahead of what I can do right now, but the 1st is well
> within reach I think for the next holidays.
>
> If I learn anything that can be used by the community I will gladly
> contribute back. And if I make any money I will donate a portion of it
> to the sugar program. I can see that collab is not perfect, for
> instance, even on my local network it can take a while for a new
> joiner to show up, and people sometimes vanish straight away, so there
> must be stuff that I can do to help.
>
>
> Sorry for the rather unfocussed and gushy introduction, the summary
> is: wow what a platform, may I try and run a business using it?
>
> Thanks
>
> Russell
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[IAEP] OLPC Learning Team news

[Frederick Grose]

Some updates on the http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Educators page:

*The Learning Team is now located in Kigali, Rwanda to start the Center for
Laptops & Learning, in partnership with Kigali Institute of Science &
Technology (KIST)*
*You can follow the work of the learning team on the OLPC blog:blog.laptop.org,
or below:*

Training at schools in Rwanda with visiting OLPCorps
teams
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Re: [IAEP] Building a business of Sugar/Jabber

[Benjamin M. Schwartz]

Russell Brown wrote:
> My question is: am I allowed to make money from this?

Yes!  The only restriction is the software licenses, which are all "GPL or
less", and should have absolutely no impact on a
distribution/support/training business.*

We actively encourage people to start business distributing and supporting
Sugar.  Moreover, if you encounter difficulties in the process, we want to
know about them and fix them, because we want other people to be able to
do the same thing, all over the world.

We have also been sketching a system in which a company like yours could
be recognized and promoted by Sugar Labs.

Good luck!

--Ben

*: so the only restriction is that if you modify Sugar, you have to make
your modifications available as source code, so that we can integrate your
changes upstream ... but really you'd want to do this anyway, to avoid the
enormous workload of maintaining a private branch.



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Re: [IAEP] Building a business of Sugar/Jabber

[Walter Bender]

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 5:46 AM, Russell Brown wrote:
> Hi,
> Please accept my apologies if this is the wrong list for this, and
> please be kind enough to direct me to the correct one if you have the
> time.
>
> I've been aware of OLPC for some time. It is only with the recent
> Sugar On A Stick release that I have actually tried the Sugar platform
> for myself. On its own it is brilliant, but with a Jabber server for
> collaboration thrown in it is truly astounding. I often lament the use
> of Windows and Office (!!!, can you believe it?) at schools. My son is
> in primary school and he hates their ICT classes too. And when I hear
> how much my local authority just spent on providing Vista and Office
> to all High School children...
>
> I have been thinking of starting a computer club at my son's school
> for some time and now, with Sugar On A Stick the barrier to entry is
> suddenly miniscule. They Already have a bunch of PCs on a network...
>
> I have some Sugar instances and a patched Ejabberd server running in
> VMs and the collab is awesome. I also have an Asus eeepc running SOAS
> my kids love playing "memorze" against each other. And having robot
> chat blows them away.
>
> So...I can see that what you have is the most amazing platform and
> with the Ejabberd platform it is streets ahead of the alternatives...
>
> My question is: am I allowed to make money from this? I have a few
> ideas including

In a word, "Yes."

> 1) Computer course for kids in summer holidays...this would just be a
> day or two, but I would want to charge
> 2) Sell school server and SOAS devices to schools/clubs/whoever
>
> The 2nd is way ahead of what I can do right now, but the 1st is well
> within reach I think for the next holidays.
>
> If I learn anything that can be used by the community I will gladly
> contribute back. And if I make any money I will donate a portion of it
> to the sugar program. I can see that collab is not perfect, for
> instance, even on my local network it can take a while for a new
> joiner to show up, and people sometimes vanish straight away, so there
> must be stuff that I can do to help.
>
>
> Sorry for the rather unfocussed and gushy introduction, the summary
> is: wow what a platform, may I try and run a business using it?
>
> Thanks
>
> Russell
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Re: [IAEP] Using View Slides to share images

[Jim Simmons]

Caroline,

I agree; I just hadn't thought of using View Slides that way.  I'm
working on Read Etexts at the moment but I'll add this feature to View
Slides when I can.  I can see where it could be useful.

James Simmons

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Caroline
Meeks wrote:
> Thanks for the info.
>
> I think as part of the general philosophy of Sugar kids should be able to
> get images out so they can remix them in documents, turtleart, memorize etc.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Jim Simmons  wrote:
>>
>> Caroline,
>>
>> Regrettably no.  Currently you can copy images into a slide show, but
>> not out.  The zip file that contains the slides can be opened by
>> etoys, but I'm not sure what you could do with it there either.  I'll
>> have to consider adding the ability to extract individual slides to
>> this Activity if it sounds useful, but that won't help you today.
>>
>> James Simmons
>>
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Re: [IAEP] Using View Slides to share images

[Jim Simmons]

Caroline,

Regrettably no.  Currently you can copy images into a slide show, but
not out.  The zip file that contains the slides can be opened by
etoys, but I'm not sure what you could do with it there either.  I'll
have to consider adding the ability to extract individual slides to
this Activity if it sounds useful, but that won't help you today.

James Simmons


On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Caroline
Meeks wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> If I share them as slides can I download individual images into the
> journal to show in turtle art?
>
> thanks
>
>
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[IAEP] Building a business of Sugar/Jabber

[Russell Brown]

Hi,
Please accept my apologies if this is the wrong list for this, and
please be kind enough to direct me to the correct one if you have the
time.

I've been aware of OLPC for some time. It is only with the recent
Sugar On A Stick release that I have actually tried the Sugar platform
for myself. On its own it is brilliant, but with a Jabber server for
collaboration thrown in it is truly astounding. I often lament the use
of Windows and Office (!!!, can you believe it?) at schools. My son is
in primary school and he hates their ICT classes too. And when I hear
how much my local authority just spent on providing Vista and Office
to all High School children...

I have been thinking of starting a computer club at my son's school
for some time and now, with Sugar On A Stick the barrier to entry is
suddenly miniscule. They Already have a bunch of PCs on a network...

I have some Sugar instances and a patched Ejabberd server running in
VMs and the collab is awesome. I also have an Asus eeepc running SOAS
my kids love playing "memorze" against each other. And having robot
chat blows them away.

So...I can see that what you have is the most amazing platform and
with the Ejabberd platform it is streets ahead of the alternatives...

My question is: am I allowed to make money from this? I have a few
ideas including

1) Computer course for kids in summer holidays...this would just be a
day or two, but I would want to charge
2) Sell school server and SOAS devices to schools/clubs/whoever

The 2nd is way ahead of what I can do right now, but the 1st is well
within reach I think for the next holidays.

If I learn anything that can be used by the community I will gladly
contribute back. And if I make any money I will donate a portion of it
to the sugar program. I can see that collab is not perfect, for
instance, even on my local network it can take a while for a new
joiner to show up, and people sometimes vanish straight away, so there
must be stuff that I can do to help.


Sorry for the rather unfocussed and gushy introduction, the summary
is: wow what a platform, may I try and run a business using it?

Thanks

Russell
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