[IAEP] article about Sugar in Wired magazine
http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/08/inventing-a-new-paradigm-sugarlabs-and-the-sugar-ui/ enjoy David Van Assche -- Charles de Gaullehttp://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/charles_de_gaulle.html - The better I get to know men, the more I find myself loving dogs. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Cloning USB sticks (was: Re: Could a KS file be used in the Fedora11 net install to customize the clone process?)
On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 02:41:35AM -0700, Thomas C Gilliard wrote: [copying USB stick via dd] Sucessfully copies the USB stick! this is an exact copy and boot and runs well. Just a word of caution: Because it's an exact copy, it will duplicate your identity as well if you've ever logged in to Sugar and entered your name before on the source USB stick. You will need to remove some files in ~/.sugar in order for collaboration to work properly in that case. (The USB's are slightly different in size sometimes even though same size and manufacturer) That's quite normal unfortunately. If you're trying to replicate sticks by raw device copy (i.e. using dd), I recommend either using the smallest of your sticks as the master one (easy, but you need to know the exact size of all your sticks in advance) or leaving enough free space during partitioning and copying only the allocated part with dd (tricky). CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] article about Sugar in Wired magazine
Great information in the comments The one thing that needs mentioning is the Jabber based collaboration element. The collaboration is very powerful, and built in fundamentally. I have created an EC2 AMI that can be started to allow on demand Jabber collaboration between sugar pcs. The collaboration is so before its time. It is XMPP based (like Google Wave) and runs on the Erlang Ejabberd server. Could it be any cooler?? This is a really neat idea. It may not be practical, but it's another option to get collaboration setup. Dave On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:25 AM, David Van Asschedvanass...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/08/inventing-a-new-paradigm-sugarlabs-and-the-sugar-ui/ enjoy David Van Assche -- Charles de Gaulle - The better I get to know men, the more I find myself loving dogs. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Cloning USB sticks
Sascha Silbe wrote: On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 03:38:38AM -0700, Thomas C Gilliard wrote: Can I avoid this f I set up the USB to not use all of the available space when I allocate the partition sizes in net install method (see link:) I don't know enough about the Fedora installation process to answer that question (without trying it out myself), sorry. The important point is that there's unallocated _partition_ space left at the _end_ of the device. I.e. don't just leave space inside the LVM or make some overlay file smaller. There mustn't be anything at all in that empty space. or because the dd is bit by bit copy I have to look at each stick first for sizes, as it will not work if stick is just smaller in capacity Can you rephrase, please? ie: The over-riding determining factor is that the copied to USB stick has to have equal or greater capacity than the copied from USB stick for the dd process to be sucessful. * Do you have a suggestion on how to determine the actual size of a USB stick without seeing the error message if the dd command fails? PS: Did you send this privately (instead of over the list) on purpose? No; I just wanted you input on this matter. I wanted to understand it better before posting it. CU Sascha Cordially Tom Gilliard ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Cloning USB sticks
On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 05:07:31AM -0700, Thomas C Gilliard wrote: ie: The over-riding determining factor is that the copied to USB stick has to have equal or greater capacity than the copied from USB stick for the dd process to be sucessful. Exactly. * Do you have a suggestion on how to determine the actual size of a USB stick without seeing the error message if the dd command fails? On Debian you can install a tool called disktype that can print the size of a device: sascha.si...@twin:~$ disktype /dev/disk/by-id/usb-CHIPSBNK_USB_2.0_260917004B813900-0\:0 --- /dev/disk/by-id/usb-CHIPSBNK_USB_2.0_260917004B813900-0:0 Block device, size 999.5 MiB (1048051712 bytes) [...] Alternatively you can check the kernel logs: sascha.si...@twin:~$ grep sectors /var/log/syslog Aug 4 14:37:47 twin kernel: [202233.115200] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] 2046976 512-byte hardware sectors (1048 MB) Depending on distribution and installed syslogger, the file you need to check might be called /var/log/syslog, /var/log/messages, /var/log/everything or similar. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] USB Sticks - Was: Re: Presenting Sugar to Rosie's Girls Camp, recommendations for cheap, fast flash drives
Hi Caroline, On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 11:36:38AM -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: Nicco's example has a good example use case from the field that relate to our work on trying to create a more robust Sugar on a Stick. I think a session on how to not remove the USB stick unless Sugar is shut down, plus a way to wipe the read-write overlay part, would be the best bang for our engineering buck. Martin pgpr8vfXqvZv0.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Fwd: Re: Could a KS file be used in the Fedora11 net install to customize the clone process?] network collisions if /.sugar is not changed
I am uploading a compressed 4GB image at this time to sunjammer :
http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/
ETA 3 hrs. (finished about: 2 PM PST)
This may be a feasible distribution method.
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Linux#Download_of_USB.img_file
Tom Gilliard
David Farning wrote:
Cool,
The .ks file used in building soas are at
http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/soas/repos/mainline/trees/master
david
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 5:15 AM, Thomas C Gilliardsatel...@mycomspan.com
wrote:
I get network collisons on same network from 2 dd USB clones running at same
time. (Loose F1 neighborhood contents periodically).
Have to use daveb's solution to clear /.sugar: for new name and color. We
would want to do this anyway.
rm -rf ~/.sugar
su -
{root-password}
shutdown -h now
Then it works well.
Tom Gilliard
David;
Great News. Duplication is possible and quite rapid in terminal:
r...@520n-robert:/home/robert/Desktop# dd if=/dev/sdg of=USB8.img
15687680+0 records in
15687680+0 records out
8032092160 bytes (8.0 GB) copied, 421.146 s, 19.1 MB/s
r...@520n-robert:/home/robert/Desktop# dd if=USB8.img of=/dev/sdg
15687680+0 records in
15687680+0 records out
8032092160 bytes (8.0 GB) copied, 2461.4 s, 3.3 MB/s
r...@520n-robert:/home/robert/Desktop#
Sucessfully copies the USB stick! this is an exact copy and boot and runs
well.
*Thus one can develop a custom install and then duplicate it.
* the same command can be repeated by pressing arrow cursor up and hitting
return with new stick once the .img file is created.
* I have sucessfully done a [USB4.img.tar.gz] file and then uncompressed it.
So it should be possible to download USB .img files over the net.
I had several failures though.:
(The USB's are slightly different in size sometimes even though same size
and manufacturer)
(Bad elements?)
r...@520n-robert:/home/robert/Desktop# dd if=USB4.img of=/dev/sdg
dd: writing to `/dev/sdg': No space left on device
7843840+0 records in
7843839+0 records out
4016045568 bytes (4.0 GB) copied, 1008.41 s, 4.0 MB/s
r...@520n-robert:/home/robert/Desktop#
Still testing
Tom Gilliard
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Re: [IAEP] Cloning USB sticks (was: Re: Could a KS file be used in the Fedora11 net install to customize the clone process?)
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 03:03, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-i...@silbe.org wrote: [copying USB stick via dd] Sucessfully copies the USB stick! this is an exact copy and boot and runs well. Just a word of caution: Because it's an exact copy, it will duplicate your identity as well if you've ever logged in to Sugar and entered your name before on the source USB stick. You will need to remove some files in ~/.sugar in order for collaboration to work properly in that case. Also, per http://wiki.laptop.org/go/How_to_Damage_a_FLASH_Storage_Device , you may get better milage out of your USB disk if you don't use DD, but rather just copy over the files. -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Cloning USB sticks: Danger of leaving passwords in clones.
Thank you for the caution;
I use daveb's method to clear /.sugar in all uploads of sugar
rm -rf ~/.sugar
su -
{password}
shutdown -h now
This procedure has to be used on all dd copies of USB
If this is not done, there is a network collision between 2 clones on
same network
The generic passwords used to log in to user: sugar are:
(used in all of my VM Appliances also)
sugar=sugaruser
root=sugarroot
They are used in the USB4C.img I am uploading to sunjammer (as an
experiment)
(in a compressed format)
Note: I have not seen any failures to USB sticks from using dd.
I just did a test of dd writewith a 4GB image made from a Sandisk
Cruzer micro 4GB to a 16 PNY Mini-Attache' stick with no
problems. It booted fine. (The PNY is a much cheaper and slower stick so
I thought this was a good test)
Tom Gilliard
satellit
Luke Faraone wrote:
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 03:03, Sascha Silbe
sascha-ml-ui-sugar-i...@silbe.org wrote:
[copying USB stick via dd]
Sucessfully copies the USB stick! this is an exact copy and boot and runs
well.
Just a word of caution: Because it's an exact copy, it will duplicate your
identity as well if you've ever logged in to Sugar and entered your name
before on the source USB stick. You will need to remove some files in
~/.sugar in order for collaboration to work properly in that case.
Also, per http://wiki.laptop.org/go/How_to_Damage_a_FLASH_Storage_Device ,
you may get better milage out of your USB disk if you don't use DD, but
rather just copy over the files.
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Re: [IAEP] article about Sugar in Wired magazine
Ah, That was me. There is no zealot like a recent convert, eh? I'm wondering about the practicality of the EC2 ejabberd server too!!! So far the big problem is configuring the sugars each time a new instance is used...the whole restart after setting the jabber server address is a pain. And the typing. So I am trying with dynamic dns this week to see if that is any better. I plan to release my AMI as public and I'll post on the list when it is ready. Hopefully by the end of next week. But the whole idea of hitting a button and waiting 2 minutes and having a collaboration server up and running appeals to my inner geek. It is just a pet project that I dream of somehow making a few quid off. Thanks for the comments, get in touch if you have any ideas for me :D Cheers Russell On 4 Aug 2009, at 12:15, Dave Bauer wrote: Great information in the comments The one thing that needs mentioning is the Jabber based collaboration element. The collaboration is very powerful, and built in fundamentally. I have created an EC2 AMI that can be started to allow on demand Jabber collaboration between sugar pcs. The collaboration is so before its time. It is XMPP based (like Google Wave) and runs on the Erlang Ejabberd server. Could it be any cooler?? This is a really neat idea. It may not be practical, but it's another option to get collaboration setup. Dave On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:25 AM, David Van Asschedvanass...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/08/inventing-a-new-paradigm-sugarlabs-and-the-sugar-ui/ enjoy David Van Assche -- Charles de Gaulle - The better I get to know men, the more I find myself loving dogs. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Cloning USB sticks: Danger of leaving passwords in clones.
On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 10:39:31AM -0700, Thomas C Gilliard wrote: This procedure has to be used on all dd copies of USB You can also do it on the master stick before doing the dd if there's no data in the Journal you want to preserve. Note: I have not seen any failures to USB sticks from using dd. The failures Luke mentioned are due to aging (that may happen prematurely if the formatting doesn't match your stick well enough), not during the copy. PS: Thanks for your work on this! :-| CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Cloning USB sticks Re: How to damage a Flash strorage Device
I see that the LVM file structure used in F11 is not addressed in the wiki reference. I am attaching a screen shot of the structure of one of the sticks FYI. Are we any better in using live-cd creator for USB creation in Strawberry.? Is the compressed fs safer to use? I do not know how to predict what will happen other than see how long the USB Sticks last. The file structure may be more stable vs all writes going to the overlay in strawberry, but that will be determined I guess in field testing. Cordially Tom Gilliard satellit Luke Faraone wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 03:03, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-i...@silbe.org wrote: [copying USB stick via dd] Sucessfully copies the USB stick! this is an exact copy and boot and runs well. Just a word of caution: Because it's an exact copy, it will duplicate your identity as well if you've ever logged in to Sugar and entered your name before on the source USB stick. You will need to remove some files in ~/.sugar in order for collaboration to work properly in that case. Also, per http://wiki.laptop.org/go/How_to_Damage_a_FLASH_Storage_Device , you may get better milage out of your USB disk if you don't use DD, but rather just copy over the files. inline: Screenshot--dev-sdg - GParted.png___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Reviving the Deployment Team
Let me know how I can help! Thanks, CAroline On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:47 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: It looks like we have enough sustainable contributors to revive the Deployment team! The existing deployment team information is at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team . I would like to begin by slightly narrowing the deployment teams mission to: The mission of the Deployment Team is to enable Sugar deployments to participate fully in the Sugar community by organizing forums for the exchange of experience and needs between Sugar users and Sugar developers. Once these tasks are well under way we can expand the mission as needed. Maria del Pilar Saenz of SugarLabs Colombia has offered to be the initial co-ordinator for the team. Maria is both close to deployments and quite articulate and knowledgeable about our high-level goals. Over the next couple of weeks, I hope we can revisit the team's roadmap, resources, and TODO list to start minimizing the communication barriers between deployments and developers. In order, to get this started Tomeu has mentioned that he is willing to shift his Sugar Labs time from working on new features to fixing bugs. david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Reviving the Deployment Team
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Caroline Meekssolutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: Let me know how I can help! Likewise. Thanks, CAroline On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:47 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: It looks like we have enough sustainable contributors to revive the Deployment team! The existing deployment team information is at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team . I would like to begin by slightly narrowing the deployment teams mission to: The mission of the Deployment Team is to enable Sugar deployments to participate fully in the Sugar community by organizing forums for the exchange of experience and needs between Sugar users and Sugar developers. Once these tasks are well under way we can expand the mission as needed. Maria del Pilar Saenz of SugarLabs Colombia has offered to be the initial co-ordinator for the team. Maria is both close to deployments and quite articulate and knowledgeable about our high-level goals. Over the next couple of weeks, I hope we can revisit the team's roadmap, resources, and TODO list to start minimizing the communication barriers between deployments and developers. In order, to get this started Tomeu has mentioned that he is willing to shift his Sugar Labs time from working on new features to fixing bugs. david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team#Commentary
It was suggested that I post a link to my commentary about Sugar and education to this list. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team#Commentary A quick poll before I go on... how many actively participating teachers on this list or the wiki? From what countries? The views expressed are my own and a byproduct of my energies to try and get teachers to incorporate computers into their curriculum for over four years. I built an LTSP lab sometime ago for my English class(I'm a certified English teacher in California.) That lab was an eye-opener for me.Though admins and parents and students loved what was happening in the class, the improved scores, the better writing, higher order thinking etc... _Not a single teacher accepted my offer_ at my school, or any other!, to help them get their own computer lab running. Admins couldn't convince OR force teachers to take what was free e.g. my offer to help build the LTSP labs. Sugar will get very little traction in schools without a seriously hard look at your biggest obstacle/opponent: the teachers. I need help in getting Sugar to be cool for kids and the easiest way _in my experience_ is to make it easy for kids to show off... make screencasting a FUNCTIONING and EASY to USE tool that can be launched from every activity. Please, if you're going to flame back, try to attack the argument (and parts of it may be flawed) and not me. thanks, Dennis ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team#Commentary
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Dennis Danielsdennisgdani...@gmail.com wrote: It was suggested that I post a link to my commentary about Sugar and education to this list. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team#Commentary A quick poll before I go on... how many actively participating teachers on this list or the wiki? From what countries? The views expressed are my own and a byproduct of my energies to try and get teachers to incorporate computers into their curriculum for over four years. I built an LTSP lab sometime ago for my English class(I'm a certified English teacher in California.) That lab was an eye-opener for me.Though admins and parents and students loved what was happening in the class, the improved scores, the better writing, higher order thinking etc... _Not a single teacher accepted my offer_ at my school, or any other!, to help them get their own computer lab running. Admins couldn't convince OR force teachers to take what was free e.g. my offer to help build the LTSP labs. Sugar will get very little traction in schools without a seriously hard look at your biggest obstacle/opponent: the teachers. Moddle has a very effective method of dealing with reluctant teachers; they don't worry about them! Moodle works very hard to insure that Moodle is effective even if only one teacher in a school uses it. Then, they let the kids do the selling:) If 25 kids successfully used Moodle in the third grade, those 25 kids become 4th graders and bug their new teachers to use Moodle. david I need help in getting Sugar to be cool for kids and the easiest way _in my experience_ is to make it easy for kids to show off... make screencasting a FUNCTIONING and EASY to USE tool that can be launched from every activity. Please, if you're going to flame back, try to attack the argument (and parts of it may be flawed) and not me. thanks, Dennis ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Activities for SoaS?
Hi All... Dumb question: Can all of the Activities listed at: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/recommended be added to the SoaS usb stick? (Not all at once, just a chosen few!) What is the maximum recommended usb stick capacity? I have a client over on the OLPC RT queue who wants to know (so do I). So far my adventures with SoaS on my MacBook have been Adventures in Breaking. But we can discuss that later. Right now, I just need the info for this client. Thanks! Caryl___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team#Commentary
Great in theory but I've used Moodle for over three years in public and private schools. Teachers did not go to Moodle until the admins told them to(public school: hand tied/ private school: use Moodle or your fired). We had a teacher who fought using electronic attendance for a year! And the admin(public school) could do nothing about it. There are over 6.4 million teachers in the US (2004 census)... the number of Moodle users in the States? Teachers will not do anything differently unless admins and parents tell them to... and even then Unions will ride in and say, That's not in the contract. I've seen it, I've heard it. To get change in the schools it is not going to come from the teachers. If SUGAR is going to work then it's going to come from the 'lucky' kids showing off their cool Sugar projects, parents hearing/seeing about it, going to the admins/ school boards, demanding change or taking their kids to 'better' schools. with regards, Dennis lost and found: +15047567321 +18586833669 GoogleTalk: dennisgdaniels skype : dennisdaniels EOF On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 15:22, David Farningdfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Dennis Danielsdennisgdani...@gmail.com wrote: It was suggested that I post a link to my commentary about Sugar and education to this list. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team#Commentary A quick poll before I go on... how many actively participating teachers on this list or the wiki? From what countries? The views expressed are my own and a byproduct of my energies to try and get teachers to incorporate computers into their curriculum for over four years. I built an LTSP lab sometime ago for my English class(I'm a certified English teacher in California.) That lab was an eye-opener for me.Though admins and parents and students loved what was happening in the class, the improved scores, the better writing, higher order thinking etc... _Not a single teacher accepted my offer_ at my school, or any other!, to help them get their own computer lab running. Admins couldn't convince OR force teachers to take what was free e.g. my offer to help build the LTSP labs. Sugar will get very little traction in schools without a seriously hard look at your biggest obstacle/opponent: the teachers. Moddle has a very effective method of dealing with reluctant teachers; they don't worry about them! Moodle works very hard to insure that Moodle is effective even if only one teacher in a school uses it. Then, they let the kids do the selling:) If 25 kids successfully used Moodle in the third grade, those 25 kids become 4th graders and bug their new teachers to use Moodle. david I need help in getting Sugar to be cool for kids and the easiest way _in my experience_ is to make it easy for kids to show off... make screencasting a FUNCTIONING and EASY to USE tool that can be launched from every activity. Please, if you're going to flame back, try to attack the argument (and parts of it may be flawed) and not me. thanks, Dennis ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] GPA Notes 8/4/09
GPA Notes 8/4/09 Caroline: Today we are going to learn how to boot the computers from scratch so we can take our sticks home. How many of you have computers at home? have computers: 8 Dont' have: 4 Caroline: How many of you had your sticks break during the summer? Failed sticks: 2 We are hoping that by the end of next year, every student in the school has sticks. kid: what if the stick breaks? Caroline: bring it back with you on the first day of school teacher: There is a letter that explains everything in your folder. Caroline: What was your favorite thing and hardest thing this summer? kid: Best thing was making the turtle use different colors. kid: The best thing was painting and beautiful colors. The hardest thing was getting the computer to start. kid: The best thing was using the forever block. The hardest thing was making the map and labeling the Gardner School. kid: best part was making the turtle make games. hardest part was making the clock. kid: Everything was the best. Nothing was the hardest. kid: The best was getting to see the samples in Turtle Art. Hardest part was making the clock kid: Favorite part was making the turtle go in different directions. Hardest part was to get on the computer. kid: Favorite part was finding your own art and changing it. Hardest part was turning the computer on. Caroline: What would you like to use the computer for when learning new things next year? Today as we go around and look at all the different programs, think about the best way the computer can help you with learning. kid: we can learn about nature Caroline: Here's a program we can use to learn a little bit about nature (shows kids moon activity) Caroline: Does anybody know what it means if the moon is waxing? kid: It is getting bigger. Caroline: (On home screen) Does anybody want to see any of these other activities kid: The one with the cat. Caroline: (opens program) This is kind of like the turtle program. (Caroline plays around with scratch) Kid: What if you have too many programs running. Caroline: (shows how to stop an activity) kid: I want to use the robot face thingy. Caroline: (Opens speak activity, speakers did not work) Caroline: (Caroline goes to activities.sugarlabs.org) This is a site full of games. All the games are free. One that is really popular is the maze game. I'm going to show you how to download a game. Click on download now. Now when I go back to my home screen, I have a new game. (Caroline plays game) kids: Awesome... Caroline: (shows kids how to start up the computer)(put in cd, power off, plug in usb, power on) In the fall, I want you all to tell me if it worked or not. The kids spent the rest of the time downloading and playing with different activities. One of the kids found out that if you star activities in list view, those activities appear on your home screen. The kid thought that by starring the activities, he was downloading them. Maybe for tomorrow's group we should introduce the kids to list view. When the kids downloaded the maze game, it did not scale properly with the monitor so they were not able to see the entire maze. The scaling of the game varied slightly from computer to computer. This was unexpected because Maze worked on normal CRT monitors in the past. Maybe there is an issue with the video card/driver? -- Anurag Goel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team#Commentary
I think you are both right. Dennis, I definitely agree that having older students from Middle and High Schools going back to their elementary schools and helping to train teachers is a great strategy. We would love help in implementing that strategy. We are also talking about partnering with the National Center for Open Source in Education (NCOSE) on this strategy. Definitely need help if this is where you are passionate. This year we would love to have Middle and High School computer and community service clubs trying Sugar, creating videos, creating software, working with elementary school students and their old teachers! Dave, you are right too. We are no where near ready to be telling any teacher that they HAVE TO or even SHOULD use Sugar. We have tons of promise but right now we should be working with those teachers who already see that promise and want to partner with us to achieve it. My strategy and goal is to have 100% of the kids 5-12 using Sugar at home, in school and at out of school programs and day care. That requires significant teacher outreach, but not 100% of teachers. Thanks, Caroline On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Dennis Daniels dennisgdani...@gmail.comwrote: Great in theory but I've used Moodle for over three years in public and private schools. Teachers did not go to Moodle until the admins told them to(public school: hand tied/ private school: use Moodle or your fired). We had a teacher who fought using electronic attendance for a year! And the admin(public school) could do nothing about it. There are over 6.4 million teachers in the US (2004 census)... the number of Moodle users in the States? Teachers will not do anything differently unless admins and parents tell them to... and even then Unions will ride in and say, That's not in the contract. I've seen it, I've heard it. To get change in the schools it is not going to come from the teachers. If SUGAR is going to work then it's going to come from the 'lucky' kids showing off their cool Sugar projects, parents hearing/seeing about it, going to the admins/ school boards, demanding change or taking their kids to 'better' schools. with regards, Dennis lost and found: +15047567321 +18586833669 GoogleTalk: dennisgdaniels skype : dennisdaniels EOF On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 15:22, David Farningdfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Dennis Danielsdennisgdani...@gmail.com wrote: It was suggested that I post a link to my commentary about Sugar and education to this list. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team#Commentary A quick poll before I go on... how many actively participating teachers on this list or the wiki? From what countries? The views expressed are my own and a byproduct of my energies to try and get teachers to incorporate computers into their curriculum for over four years. I built an LTSP lab sometime ago for my English class(I'm a certified English teacher in California.) That lab was an eye-opener for me.Though admins and parents and students loved what was happening in the class, the improved scores, the better writing, higher order thinking etc... _Not a single teacher accepted my offer_ at my school, or any other!, to help them get their own computer lab running. Admins couldn't convince OR force teachers to take what was free e.g. my offer to help build the LTSP labs. Sugar will get very little traction in schools without a seriously hard look at your biggest obstacle/opponent: the teachers. Moddle has a very effective method of dealing with reluctant teachers; they don't worry about them! Moodle works very hard to insure that Moodle is effective even if only one teacher in a school uses it. Then, they let the kids do the selling:) If 25 kids successfully used Moodle in the third grade, those 25 kids become 4th graders and bug their new teachers to use Moodle. david I need help in getting Sugar to be cool for kids and the easiest way _in my experience_ is to make it easy for kids to show off... make screencasting a FUNCTIONING and EASY to USE tool that can be launched from every activity. Please, if you're going to flame back, try to attack the argument (and parts of it may be flawed) and not me. thanks, Dennis ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team#Commentary
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Caroline Meekssolutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: I think you are both right. Dennis, I definitely agree that having older students from Middle and High Schools going back to their elementary schools and helping to train teachers is a great strategy. We would love help in implementing that strategy. We are also talking about partnering with the National Center for Open Source in Education (NCOSE) on this strategy. Definitely need help if this is where you are passionate. This year we would love to have Middle and High School computer and community service clubs trying Sugar, creating videos, creating software, working with elementary school students and their old teachers! Dave, you are right too. We are no where near ready to be telling any teacher that they HAVE TO or even SHOULD use Sugar. We have tons of promise but right now we should be working with those teachers who already see that promise and want to partner with us to achieve it. My strategy and goal is to have 100% of the kids 5-12 using Sugar at home, in school and at out of school programs and day care. That requires significant teacher outreach, but not 100% of teachers. A cool idea. I was a bit worried when I saw an earlier post that you intended to to have a 100% participation rate at GPA. Looking at _teacher_ participation in terms Pareto distribution, those last few teacher are going to be costly. But by looking at teachers, after school programs, daycare, and parents, it seems much more feasible to achieve 100% participation within a student population. david Thanks, Caroline On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Dennis Daniels dennisgdani...@gmail.com wrote: Great in theory but I've used Moodle for over three years in public and private schools. Teachers did not go to Moodle until the admins told them to(public school: hand tied/ private school: use Moodle or your fired). We had a teacher who fought using electronic attendance for a year! And the admin(public school) could do nothing about it. There are over 6.4 million teachers in the US (2004 census)... the number of Moodle users in the States? Teachers will not do anything differently unless admins and parents tell them to... and even then Unions will ride in and say, That's not in the contract. I've seen it, I've heard it. To get change in the schools it is not going to come from the teachers. If SUGAR is going to work then it's going to come from the 'lucky' kids showing off their cool Sugar projects, parents hearing/seeing about it, going to the admins/ school boards, demanding change or taking their kids to 'better' schools. with regards, Dennis lost and found: +15047567321 +18586833669 GoogleTalk: dennisgdaniels skype : dennisdaniels EOF On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 15:22, David Farningdfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Dennis Danielsdennisgdani...@gmail.com wrote: It was suggested that I post a link to my commentary about Sugar and education to this list. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team#Commentary A quick poll before I go on... how many actively participating teachers on this list or the wiki? From what countries? The views expressed are my own and a byproduct of my energies to try and get teachers to incorporate computers into their curriculum for over four years. I built an LTSP lab sometime ago for my English class(I'm a certified English teacher in California.) That lab was an eye-opener for me.Though admins and parents and students loved what was happening in the class, the improved scores, the better writing, higher order thinking etc... _Not a single teacher accepted my offer_ at my school, or any other!, to help them get their own computer lab running. Admins couldn't convince OR force teachers to take what was free e.g. my offer to help build the LTSP labs. Sugar will get very little traction in schools without a seriously hard look at your biggest obstacle/opponent: the teachers. Moddle has a very effective method of dealing with reluctant teachers; they don't worry about them! Moodle works very hard to insure that Moodle is effective even if only one teacher in a school uses it. Then, they let the kids do the selling:) If 25 kids successfully used Moodle in the third grade, those 25 kids become 4th graders and bug their new teachers to use Moodle. david I need help in getting Sugar to be cool for kids and the easiest way _in my experience_ is to make it easy for kids to show off... make screencasting a FUNCTIONING and EASY to USE tool that can be launched from every activity. Please, if you're going to flame back, try to attack the argument (and parts of it may be flawed) and not me. thanks, Dennis ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
Re: [IAEP] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team#Commentary
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:14 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Caroline Meekssolutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: I think you are both right. Dennis, I definitely agree that having older students from Middle and High Schools going back to their elementary schools and helping to train teachers is a great strategy. We would love help in implementing that strategy. We are also talking about partnering with the National Center for Open Source in Education (NCOSE) on this strategy. Definitely need help if this is where you are passionate. This year we would love to have Middle and High School computer and community service clubs trying Sugar, creating videos, creating software, working with elementary school students and their old teachers! Dave, you are right too. We are no where near ready to be telling any teacher that they HAVE TO or even SHOULD use Sugar. We have tons of promise but right now we should be working with those teachers who already see that promise and want to partner with us to achieve it. My strategy and goal is to have 100% of the kids 5-12 using Sugar at home, in school and at out of school programs and day care. That requires significant teacher outreach, but not 100% of teachers. A cool idea. I was a bit worried when I saw an earlier post that you intended to to have a 100% participation rate at GPA. Looking at _teacher_ participation in terms Pareto distribution, those last few teacher are going to be costly. But by looking at teachers, after school programs, daycare, and parents, it seems much more feasible to achieve 100% participation within a student population. So far all the adults in the school we have talked to have been very enthusiastic. The GPA uses a team approach. Each grade level seems to have at least 6 adults, teachers, adults that work 10-6 for after care, reading and special education specialists, interns, student teachers. Also the Science teacher handles science for all grades. So 100% of students using Sugar for learning will not require anywhere near 100% of the teachers. david Thanks, Caroline On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Dennis Daniels dennisgdani...@gmail.com wrote: Great in theory but I've used Moodle for over three years in public and private schools. Teachers did not go to Moodle until the admins told them to(public school: hand tied/ private school: use Moodle or your fired). We had a teacher who fought using electronic attendance for a year! And the admin(public school) could do nothing about it. There are over 6.4 million teachers in the US (2004 census)... the number of Moodle users in the States? Teachers will not do anything differently unless admins and parents tell them to... and even then Unions will ride in and say, That's not in the contract. I've seen it, I've heard it. To get change in the schools it is not going to come from the teachers. If SUGAR is going to work then it's going to come from the 'lucky' kids showing off their cool Sugar projects, parents hearing/seeing about it, going to the admins/ school boards, demanding change or taking their kids to 'better' schools. with regards, Dennis lost and found: +15047567321 +18586833669 GoogleTalk: dennisgdaniels skype : dennisdaniels EOF On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 15:22, David Farningdfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Dennis Daniels dennisgdani...@gmail.com wrote: It was suggested that I post a link to my commentary about Sugar and education to this list. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team#Commentary A quick poll before I go on... how many actively participating teachers on this list or the wiki? From what countries? The views expressed are my own and a byproduct of my energies to try and get teachers to incorporate computers into their curriculum for over four years. I built an LTSP lab sometime ago for my English class(I'm a certified English teacher in California.) That lab was an eye-opener for me.Though admins and parents and students loved what was happening in the class, the improved scores, the better writing, higher order thinking etc... _Not a single teacher accepted my offer_ at my school, or any other!, to help them get their own computer lab running. Admins couldn't convince OR force teachers to take what was free e.g. my offer to help build the LTSP labs. Sugar will get very little traction in schools without a seriously hard look at your biggest obstacle/opponent: the teachers. Moddle has a very effective method of dealing with reluctant teachers; they don't worry about them! Moodle works very hard to insure that Moodle is effective even if only one teacher in a school uses it. Then, they let the kids do the selling:) If 25 kids successfully
Re: [IAEP] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team#Commentary
GPA? I'm not sure I understand your adult/student ratio at your installation... what is the ratio? Team approach? How many are being paid? What does 'work 10-6' mean? thanks, Dennis So far all the adults in the school we have talked to have been very enthusiastic. The GPA uses a team approach. Each grade level seems to have at least 6 adults, teachers, adults that work 10-6 for after care, reading and special education specialists, interns, student teachers. Also the Science teacher handles science for all grades. So 100% of students using Sugar for learning will not require anywhere near 100% of the teachers. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team#Commentary
Please see http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Gardner_Pilot_Academy . david On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Dennis Danielsdennisgdani...@gmail.com wrote: GPA? I'm not sure I understand your adult/student ratio at your installation... what is the ratio? Team approach? How many are being paid? What does 'work 10-6' mean? thanks, Dennis So far all the adults in the school we have talked to have been very enthusiastic. The GPA uses a team approach. Each grade level seems to have at least 6 adults, teachers, adults that work 10-6 for after care, reading and special education specialists, interns, student teachers. Also the Science teacher handles science for all grades. So 100% of students using Sugar for learning will not require anywhere near 100% of the teachers. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team#Commentary
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Dennis Daniels dennisgdani...@gmail.comwrote: GPA? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Gardner_Pilot_Academy I'm not sure I understand your adult/student ratio at your installation... what is the ratio? I don;t know. About normal or a bit better. Its a pilot school there are 2 or 3 classes per grade so when the grade level works as a team that is quite a few adults. I expect Ill learn more about how it works in practice in Sept. Team approach? How many are being paid? What does 'work 10-6' mean? 10am to 6pm shift. Its an Extended Day School about 50% of the students stay afterschool for daycare. The workers for that start during the school day so they have continuity. thanks, Dennis So far all the adults in the school we have talked to have been very enthusiastic. The GPA uses a team approach. Each grade level seems to have at least 6 adults, teachers, adults that work 10-6 for after care, reading and special education specialists, interns, student teachers. Also the Science teacher handles science for all grades. So 100% of students using Sugar for learning will not require anywhere near 100% of the teachers. -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Reviving the Deployment Team
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 4:37 PM, David Farningdfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: The first step, from the implementation, side is going back to the basics; focusing on easy technical bugs and easy usability bug. The goal is establishing respect and trust between the deployment team and the developer team. This is good, all of it. We also need to consider creation of content, not just software. Actually, we have to think about something in between static content and Activities--something that can represent lesson plans, projects, and the like, with the ability to draw on any of Sugar. Models built in Turtle Art or Etoys connected with observations; data sets with processes attached for data extraction, analysis, visualization, and so on; interactive explorations of various kinds; frameworks for guided discovery. We are going to be making a lot of this up as we go along, so we need ways to validate our work in the classroom and get feedback for improvement. If we reflect on went well and what did not go so well last year. Not so well: We lost some of the passion because we focused on 'nut and bolts' rather than big ideas. We lost contact with students, teachers, and deployers by focusing on the platform. Well: Built core community which practices constructionism. The release cycle is fundamentally a constructionism cycle. As a community, we come up with feature requests, technical shortcomings, and usability shortcomings. Then, thorough collaboration on the mail lists we came up with testable solutions. After a release, there is a period of reflection on how well those solutions worked. Established a strong culture of mentoring over telling, leading over managing, _doing_ what we can do over _talking_ about what we should do. Established a culture of participation over producer/consumer. Looking forward: Use what worked well to make progress on the parts of the project which did not work so well. High level-- try to create a deployment team which shares the overall mission, vision, values, and culture of Sugar Labs. Concrete step to make this happen: 1. If you are at a deployment please start sending bug reports about minor issues. 2. If you are not at a deployment please act as a bridge between deployments and developers. 3. Everyone can monitor Sur, ieap, and sugar-dev; whenever you see a issue come in please engage the reporter to help him or her turn the issue into a good bug report. Reporting minor issue might seem counter intuitive when looking at it from a bang-for-buck pov. But, from a community pov minor issues are easy to report, easy to turn into bug reports, and often easy to fix. By starting small we can learn and gain confidence that the process we are creating work. Once we have confidence in the process we turn 100% of our energies towards solving those hard problems. hope that helps david On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Edward Cherlinecher...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Caroline Meekssolutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: Let me know how I can help! Likewise. Thanks, CAroline On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:47 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: It looks like we have enough sustainable contributors to revive the Deployment team! The existing deployment team information is at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team . I would like to begin by slightly narrowing the deployment teams mission to: The mission of the Deployment Team is to enable Sugar deployments to participate fully in the Sugar community by organizing forums for the exchange of experience and needs between Sugar users and Sugar developers. Once these tasks are well under way we can expand the mission as needed. Maria del Pilar Saenz of SugarLabs Colombia has offered to be the initial co-ordinator for the team. Maria is both close to deployments and quite articulate and knowledgeable about our high-level goals. Over the next couple of weeks, I hope we can revisit the team's roadmap, resources, and TODO list to start minimizing the communication barriers between deployments and developers. In order, to get this started Tomeu has mentioned that he is willing to shift his Sugar Labs time from working on new features to fixing bugs. david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin)
[IAEP] Resend: Activities for SoaS?
Hi... This didn't seem to go through, so I will resend. I would like to add another question...do any of the Activities requiring peripherals work with SoaS? For example, what works with Measure? Can you use the temperature probe? Does the oscilloscope work? Is it possible to use a camera with Record? I did get the microphone on my MacBook to work with Record...the level was really low though, I could barely hear it. From: cbige...@hotmail.com To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Activities for SoaS? Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:42:44 -0700 Hi All... Dumb question: Can all of the Activities listed at: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/recommended be added to the SoaS usb stick? (Not all at once, just a chosen few!) What is the maximum recommended usb stick capacity? I have a client over on the OLPC RT queue who wants to know (so do I). So far my adventures with SoaS on my MacBook have been Adventures in Breaking. But we can discuss that later. Right now, I just need the info for this client. Thanks! Caryl___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Resend: Activities for SoaS?
Hi... This didn't seem to go through, so I will resend. I would like to add another question...do any of the Activities requiring peripherals work with SoaS? For example, what works with Measure? Can you use the temperature probe? Does the oscilloscope work? Is it possible to use a camera with Record? I did get the microphone on my MacBook to work with Record...the level was really low though, I could barely hear it. From: cbige...@hotmail.com To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Activities for SoaS? Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:42:44 -0700 Hi All... Dumb question: Can all of the Activities listed at: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/recommended be added to the SoaS usb stick? (Not all at once, just a chosen few!) What is the maximum recommended usb stick capacity? I have a client over on the OLPC RT queue who wants to know (so do I). So far my adventures with SoaS on my MacBook have been Adventures in Breaking. But we can discuss that later. Right now, I just need the info for this client. Thanks! Caryl___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Resend: Activities for SoaS?
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Caryl Bigenhocbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi... This didn't seem to go through, so I will resend. I would like to add another question...do any of the Activities requiring peripherals work with SoaS? For example, what works with Measure? Can you use the temperature probe? Does the oscilloscope work? Is it possible to use a camera with Record? I did get the microphone on my MacBook to work with Record...the level was really low though, I could barely hear it. My eeepc 901 works with record. The sound level is low also but the camera works great. Ironically, SoaS on my XO does not work with the camera. I think this is very hardware dependent. You can check out http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Hardware for how to report what hardware works or does not work with SoaS. Dave From: cbige...@hotmail.com To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Activities for SoaS? Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:42:44 -0700 Hi All... Dumb question: Can all of the Activities listed at: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/recommended be added to the SoaS usb stick? (Not all at once, just a chosen few!) What is the maximum recommended usb stick capacity? I have a client over on the OLPC RT queue who wants to know (so do I). So far my adventures with SoaS on my MacBook have been Adventures in Breaking. But we can discuss that later. Right now, I just need the info for this client. Thanks! Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Resend: Activities for SoaS?
do any of the Activities requiring peripherals work with SoaS? For example, what works with Measure? Can you use the temperature probe? Does the oscilloscope work? My recollection is that the audio input for data logging doesnt work on non XO hardware but I could be wrong. Walter will know. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
