[IAEP] OLPC / Sugar community in China?
Hi all, I was wondering whether anyone happens to know of any OLPC / Sugar community activity happening in China? Doing a quick Google search revealed that a small deployment by OLPC.Asia was recently started in Sichuan (http://www.olpc.asia/en/2009/06/first-olpc-deployment-in-sichuan-china.html) but other than that I'm not really aware of any activities in the country. Any pointers and help are much appreciated! Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Grassroots-l] OLPC / Sugar community in China?
Hi Christoph, Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at writes: I was wondering whether anyone happens to know of any OLPC / Sugar community activity happening in China? I was in China last month and I did a presentation about Sugar (and other stuff) to the Beijing Linux User Group: http://www.slideshare.net/bzg/the-ict-for-education-revolution-hasnt-happened-yet There I met people working on the Gdium, mainly trying to use it as a tool for education in remote areas. They are not using Sugar, they are using mandriva and a selected set of educational applications, but they are interested in trying Sugar. OLPC France plans to continue to work on the Sugar-for-Gdium issue, and perhaps they'll try Sugar in remote chinese areas one day. I also met people from the Beijing Normal University, a university to train teachers' trainers. I presented Sugar to them, and they were very interested. I gave them 2 USB keys with Soas v1, I hope this will start a discussion and maybe some deeper testing in some primary schools. BNU is also running a nice community here: http://sociallearnlab.org, this can be a place where to let teachers know about Sugar. Doing a quick Google search revealed that a small deployment by OLPC.Asia was recently started in Sichuan (http://www.olpc.asia/en/2009/06/first-olpc-deployment-in-sichuan-china.html) but other than that I'm not really aware of any activities in the country. I didn't know about this, but I will forward this to the people I know in China, thanks! Any pointers and help are much appreciated! HTH, -- Bastien ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Grassroots-l] OLPC / Sugar community in China?
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:51, Bastienbastiengue...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Christoph, Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at writes: I was wondering whether anyone happens to know of any OLPC / Sugar community activity happening in China? I was in China last month and I did a presentation about Sugar (and other stuff) to the Beijing Linux User Group: http://www.slideshare.net/bzg/the-ict-for-education-revolution-hasnt-happened-yet There I met people working on the Gdium, mainly trying to use it as a tool for education in remote areas. They are not using Sugar, they are using mandriva and a selected set of educational applications, but they are interested in trying Sugar. OLPC France plans to continue to work on the Sugar-for-Gdium issue, and perhaps they'll try Sugar in remote chinese areas one day. I also met people from the Beijing Normal University, a university to train teachers' trainers. I presented Sugar to them, and they were very interested. I gave them 2 USB keys with Soas v1, I hope this will start a discussion and maybe some deeper testing in some primary schools. BNU is also running a nice community here: http://sociallearnlab.org, this can be a place where to let teachers know about Sugar. Doing a quick Google search revealed that a small deployment by OLPC.Asia was recently started in Sichuan (http://www.olpc.asia/en/2009/06/first-olpc-deployment-in-sichuan-china.html) but other than that I'm not really aware of any activities in the country. I didn't know about this, but I will forward this to the people I know in China, thanks! Any pointers and help are much appreciated! Awesome news! SJ, can we have the OLPC Asia blog in the planet? http://www.olpc.asia/en/atom.xml Thanks all, Tomeu HTH, -- Bastien ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Grassroots-l] OLPC / Sugar community in China?
Awesome news! SJ, can we have the OLPC Asia blog in the planet? http://www.olpc.asia/en/atom.xml I forgot to mention that I'm currently in Tokyo, Japan, taking a few days off. If any of you knows some LUG around here, or have contacts with a university that I could visit to spread the word about Sugar, just drop me an email, thanks. (I will surely visit some Go club, there are usually good geek-nests, so maybe I'll stumble on some CS student by chance, who knows...) Best to all, -- Bastien ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] installing F11 on a USB stick/ What is Sugar on a Stick? Where should these USB's be located in the wiki?
What is Sugar on a Stick? Is this the appropriate place for the USB's created using the F11 net install? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Linux Currently the instructions are located on this page. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Linux#Full_Fedora_11_Install_of_Sugar_and_XFCE_Desktops_to_USB I had a long discussion about this last night on IRC. One opinion was that sugar on a stick ONLY applied to a image on a stick created by a Soas-strawberry.iso These have a compressed fs and overlay. * I believe that all forms of Sugar-desktop on a USB should be considered Sugar on a Stick. *The USB.img files I am posting on http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/ are USB's made with a LVN file structure by doing a Install from a F11 net install CD directly to the USB. *The opensuse-edu images listed on the same page also make a file structure after being opened for the first time after being written to the USB with a dd command. *The VMware Appliances I am posting are also, in my opinion Sugar on a Stick *My USB's are made on a hp Pavillion Laptop (Vista) transferred to a Dell 520n running Ubuntu 9.04 for conversion to .img files and for duplication and uplinking to sunjammer. *The USB's run on the Vista Pavillion/EeePC1000HE (XP)/EeePC900 -Wirelessly(Mandriva) so they are agnostic to OS. How do we categorize them? The question is: Do we allow all of these forms of Sugar-Desktop on a USB stick to be called Sugar-on-a stick ? If we do not then where do these alternate forms get listed on the wiki and what do we call them.? Thanks; Tom Gilliard satellit ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Ranges of Colors of XO in F1 Neighborhood to ID Sugar Versions?
It might be useful to limit the choices of the range of color combinations available for selection depending on the underlying Linux OS. for example: greens for openSUSE bluesfor Fedora Yellow for jbuild systems Reds for XO based systems etc. This would be a way to know from the Neighborhood what features the buddy has. Also the tags visible in analyze could be used by programmers for future OS dependent features. Just an Idea.. Anyone agree/disagree? Tom Gilliard satellit ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] installing F11 on a USB stick/ What is Sugar on a Stick? Where should these USB's be located in the wiki?
See the second bullet item here, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs#Technical_Goals. --Fred On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Thomas C Gilliard satel...@bendbroadband.com wrote: What is Sugar on a Stick? Is this the appropriate place for the USB's created using the F11 net install? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Linux Currently the instructions are located on this page. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Linux#Full_Fedora_11_Install_of_Sugar_and_XFCE_Desktops_to_USB I had a long discussion about this last night on IRC. One opinion was that sugar on a stick ONLY applied to a image on a stick created by a Soas-strawberry.iso These have a compressed fs and overlay. * I believe that all forms of Sugar-desktop on a USB should be considered Sugar on a Stick. *The USB.img files I am posting on http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/ are USB's made with a LVN file structure by doing a Install from a F11 net install CD directly to the USB. *The opensuse-edu images listed on the same page also make a file structure after being opened for the first time after being written to the USB with a dd command. *The VMware Appliances I am posting are also, in my opinion Sugar on a Stick *My USB's are made on a hp Pavillion Laptop (Vista) transferred to a Dell 520n running Ubuntu 9.04 for conversion to .img files and for duplication and uplinking to sunjammer. *The USB's run on the Vista Pavillion/EeePC1000HE (XP)/EeePC900 -Wirelessly(Mandriva) so they are agnostic to OS. How do we categorize them? The question is: Do we allow all of these forms of Sugar-Desktop on a USB stick to be called Sugar-on-a stick ? If we do not then where do these alternate forms get listed on the wiki and what do we call them.? Thanks; Tom Gilliard satellit ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Grassroots-l] OLPC / Sugar community in China?
Bastien, thanks a lot for your quick reply and all the information! :-) Enjoy your time in Tokyo, Christoph Bastien schrieb: Hi Christoph, Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at writes: I was wondering whether anyone happens to know of any OLPC / Sugar community activity happening in China? I was in China last month and I did a presentation about Sugar (and other stuff) to the Beijing Linux User Group: http://www.slideshare.net/bzg/the-ict-for-education-revolution-hasnt-happened-yet There I met people working on the Gdium, mainly trying to use it as a tool for education in remote areas. They are not using Sugar, they are using mandriva and a selected set of educational applications, but they are interested in trying Sugar. OLPC France plans to continue to work on the Sugar-for-Gdium issue, and perhaps they'll try Sugar in remote chinese areas one day. I also met people from the Beijing Normal University, a university to train teachers' trainers. I presented Sugar to them, and they were very interested. I gave them 2 USB keys with Soas v1, I hope this will start a discussion and maybe some deeper testing in some primary schools. BNU is also running a nice community here: http://sociallearnlab.org, this can be a place where to let teachers know about Sugar. Doing a quick Google search revealed that a small deployment by OLPC.Asia was recently started in Sichuan (http://www.olpc.asia/en/2009/06/first-olpc-deployment-in-sichuan-china.html) but other than that I'm not really aware of any activities in the country. I didn't know about this, but I will forward this to the people I know in China, thanks! Any pointers and help are much appreciated! HTH, -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Any way to hide google translation stuff in the printable version of wiki pages?
Hi, Whenever I print something from the wiki, I get an expanded (sometimes over one page) listing of all the many wonderful translations of a page before getting to the actual content. Is there a way to tweak the CSS to hide that when media = print? -- Ubuntu Linux DC LoCo Washington, DC http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Any way to hide google translation stuff in the printable version of wiki pages?
We could put the translation links in the sidebar; though, since we don't have a dropdown list control, it would mean that all pages would probably have vertical scroll bars to cover the sidebar content. Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, is an example with 41 languages. --Fred On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Kevin Cole dc.l...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Whenever I print something from the wiki, I get an expanded (sometimes over one page) listing of all the many wonderful translations of a page before getting to the actual content. Is there a way to tweak the CSS to hide that when media = print? -- Ubuntu Linux DC LoCo Washington, DC http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Any way to hide google translation stuff in the printable version of wiki pages?
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Frederick Grosefgr...@gmail.com wrote: We could put the translation links in the sidebar; though, since we don't have a dropdown list control, it would mean that all pages would probably have vertical scroll bars to cover the sidebar content. Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, is an example with 41 languages. Putting an id onto the container for the google translate content, and a stylesheet for media:print that has display:none for the container, is the common way to achieve this. Dave --Fred On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Kevin Cole dc.l...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Whenever I print something from the wiki, I get an expanded (sometimes over one page) listing of all the many wonderful translations of a page before getting to the actual content. Is there a way to tweak the CSS to hide that when media = print? -- Ubuntu Linux DC LoCo Washington, DC http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] A security vs. functionality question
Dear Educators and Engineers, To educators: How concerned are you about a feature that allows one student to invite others to play on their computer? Remote access is only granted if the user chooses to share a specific activity. The effect is similar to letting someone walk over and type on your keyboard. To engineers: Is sharing an activity a sufficient indication of intent from the user to execute a potentially dangerous action, such as sharing Terminal on a public collaboration server? To activate a remote VNC client in Gnome, users must fill out this settings panel: http://www.bani.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/vino-p-g.png . Unlike an Activity, though, once those settings are made, the desktop is permanently shared. An Activity can easily be stopped by a single click at any time. Background: I have been working on a shareable version of the Terminal activity, called ShareTerm. The sharing functionality allows two people to type at the same command prompt. There is a spectrum of uses for this, from a friend who knows more than I do showing me how to use the command shell to an expert developer performing remote debugging (while I observe and try to understand what is going on). The critical issue with a shared terminal is security. If I share my terminal with you, then you gain the full power of that terminal. On an XO, running ShareTerm, this is safe enough. Thanks to Rainbow, the ShareTerm prompt has very limited access to the system, so participants cannot break the computer. This limited access also prevents a lot of legitimately useful and educational actions, such as performing expert maintenance or debugging. On SoaS Strawberry, and every other portable Sugar implementation of which I am aware, Rainbow is not present, and so ShareTerm is just as dangerous, and useful, as inviting someone over to type on your keyboard. If this functionality were added to the Terminal activity, then the behavior on the XO would match the behavior described for SoaS. What do you think we should do? One possibility that has occurred to me is to permit unsafe sharing only with users who have already been designated as Buddies. Instead of Share with My Neighborhood, the toolbar would only offer Share with My Friends. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Any way to hide google translation stuff in the printable version of wiki pages?
I've set up Google Translations in the wiki sidebar for a community
evaluation, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Welcome_to_the_Sugar_Labs_wiki.
In addition to making all pages longer, the 'Using the Wiki' section of the
sidebar is pushed further down. ...Bernie might be able to move that, if the
community prefers.
One benefit now is that all pages have translation links.
So, to print a page without the Google Translations header, one would enter
edit mode for a page, and then remove the {{GoogleTrans-en}} template at the
top of the wiki text entry box. (An older version of the template may look
like this, {{ GoogleTrans-en | es =show | bg =show | zh-CN =show | zh-TW
=show | hr =show | cs =show | da =show | nl =show | fi =show | fr =show | de
=show | el =show | hi =show | it =show | ja =show | ko =show | no =show | pl
=show | pt =show | ro =show | ru =show | sv =show }}.
--Fred
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote:
We could put the translation links in the sidebar; though, since we don't
have a dropdown list control, it would mean that all pages would probably
have vertical scroll bars to cover the sidebar content.
Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, is an example with 41
languages.
--Fred
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Kevin Cole dc.l...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Whenever I print something from the wiki, I get an expanded (sometimes
over one page) listing of all the many wonderful translations of a page
before getting to the actual content. Is there a way to tweak the CSS to
hide that when media = print?
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Re: [IAEP] A security vs. functionality question
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 14:28, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Is sharing an activity a sufficient indication of intent from the user to execute a potentially dangerous action, such as sharing Terminal on a public collaboration server? To activate a remote VNC client in Gnome, users must fill out this settings panel: http://www.bani.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/vino-p-g.png . Unlike an Activity, though, once those settings are made, the desktop is permanently shared. An Activity can easily be stopped by a single click at any time. A malicious attacker can type at speeds which would allow malicious commands to be injected without the user noticing until it is too late. Also, there is no method for limited sharing. -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] A security vs. functionality question
Luke Faraone wrote: A malicious attacker can type at speeds which would allow malicious commands to be injected without the user noticing until it is too late. Certainly. Also, the system is implemented using GNU Screen, which permits multiple parallel terminals. This is a very useful feature, but it also means that someone may be typing in a different shell from the one you're looking at. I merely mean that users are less likely to leave such a shared activity always on. Also, there is no method for limited sharing. Perhaps you are not aware of the Invitations mechanism? I can invite people to an activity, and only those whom I have invited are aware of its existence. Invitations were admittedly not very reliable in older software versions; I haven't tried them recently. I'm not precisely sure to what degree sharing scope is enforced by Telepathy. --Ben signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] A security vs. functionality question
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 15:02, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: I merely mean that users are less likely to leave such a shared activity always on. Good point, unless they forget about it (as they often do in pilots :) Also, there is no method for limited sharing. Perhaps you are not aware of the Invitations mechanism? I can invite people to an activity, and only those whom I have invited are aware of its existence. Invitations were admittedly not very reliable in older software versions; I haven't tried them recently. No, I wasn't. How secure is that? -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Any way to hide google translation stuff in the printable version of wiki pages?
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 14:57, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote:
I've set up Google Translations in the wiki sidebar for a community
evaluation, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Welcome_to_the_Sugar_Labs_wiki.
In addition to making all pages longer, the 'Using the Wiki' section of the
sidebar is pushed further down. ...Bernie might be able to move that, if the
community prefers.
One benefit now is that all pages have translation links.
I assume that before you made the change it was ugly with all the
translate stuff at the top of the printable view. Looks great to me now.
Thanks.
So, to print a page without the Google Translations header, one would enter
edit mode for a page, and then remove the {{GoogleTrans-en}} template at the
top of the wiki text entry box. (An older version of the template may look
like this, {{ GoogleTrans-en | es =show | bg =show | zh-CN =show | zh-TW
=show | hr =show | cs =show | da =show | nl =show | fi =show | fr =show | de
=show | el =show | hi =show | it =show | ja =show | ko =show | no =show | pl
=show | pt =show | ro =show | ru =show | sv =show }}.
Shall I start changing pages as I encounter them? (I doubt there'd be a lot
of problem with that, but one never knows.)
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Re: [IAEP] Any way to hide google translation stuff in the printable version of wiki pages?
On 6 Aug 2009, at 21:07, Kevin Cole wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 14:57, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: I've set up Google Translations in the wiki sidebar for a community evaluation, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Welcome_to_the_Sugar_Labs_wiki . In addition to making all pages longer, the 'Using the Wiki' section of the sidebar is pushed further down. ...Bernie might be able to move that, if the community prefers. Hmmm, wow folks actually still print? :-) I had a colleague who would incessantly print out every email she received and file it away by date, that was quite fun to watch ;-) On a community wiki, material is going to be out of date _really_ fast if you're referring to a print- out. One benefit now is that all pages have translation links. True, though I'm still not keen on all the vertical scrolling into empty space. -.8 if it comes to a vote :-) Regards, --Gary ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Looking for very old hardware
Hello All, I asked this question about a year ago, but would like to ask it again. I have been given some educational math software for elementary school written in Basic (or,maybe, machine language) for the old Apple ii series. I also have a copy of an excellent program for Algebra I, also for the Apple ii series. Both of these are teacher tested and approved. About 2-3 years ago I gave away my old Apple iie along with the dual disk drive, monitor, and printer. I have looked on ebay and there are some for sale there for very low prices plus a high price for shipping. Of course, they all claim they work, but have no guarantees. I would like very much to be able to put these old 5 1/2 floppies in, boot them up and print out the code so some enterprising Python programmer could convert them for Sugar. I'm not even sure the disks will still work. They are probably 20+ years old. Does anyone reading this list have access to a working Apple ii system with monitor and printer? If so, I could send the disks to them and they could do the print out of the code. These are excellent, public domain programs (one is from the old softsawap we used to have in California. I have one of the disks here in MT. The other is at my home in CA. Caryl___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] A security vs. functionality question
Gary C Martin wrote: How are two (or more!) remote individuals expected to co-operate and share the same command line and not mess up? 1. Out of band. 1a. That can mean, for example, a pre-existing understanding of the purpose of the session. If it's an expert connecting to perform an operation, then you've already agreed about who's going to be doing most of the typing. 1b. Via a live chat. That can be as simple as a Chat activity instance. Eventually, I am counting on overlay chat [1] and push-to-talk [2] to solve the out of band communication problems. 2. Multiple windows ShareTerm is built on GNU Screen, which supports multiple independent windows not unlike what you describe. (It sometimes calls itself a text only window manager.) In pair programming, for example, users could type in separate buffers, looking over each other's shoulders periodically. [1] http://dev.laptop.org/attachment/ticket/3310/activity_chat_sketch.png [2] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Push_to_Talk signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Any way to hide google translation stuff in the printable version of wiki pages?
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 17:52, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hmmm, wow folks actually still print? :-) I had a colleague who would incessantly print out every email she received and file it away by date, that was quite fun to watch ;-) On a community wiki, material is going to be out of date _really_ fast if you're referring to a print-out. I frequently find myself in situations where I have but one computer, and browsing the documentation while trying to do something else on the same computer (particularly the XO), is a RPITA. One benefit now is that all pages have translation links. True, though I'm still not keen on all the vertical scrolling into empty space. My original thought (which Dave Bauer filled in what I left unsaid) was using either a class or id attribute on the div and/or table within it, and then setting that class/id to display:none for @media print. This would avoid the empty space you're referring to: Pages would show up as most do now, but when printed, all the translation magic would disappear from the printout. Barring that solution, would you be okay with something that rearranged the order of the sidebar to minimize scrolling? (Of course, different people are going to want different stuff at the top...) -.8 if it comes to a vote :-) Tell us how you REALLY feel. ;-) -- Ubuntu Linux DC LoCo Washington, DC http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] A security vs. functionality question
Could you let the invited user in a chroot by default and only allow full access if the inviting user explicitly allows it? 2009/8/6 Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu: Gary C Martin wrote: How are two (or more!) remote individuals expected to co-operate and share the same command line and not mess up? 1. Out of band. 1a. That can mean, for example, a pre-existing understanding of the purpose of the session. If it's an expert connecting to perform an operation, then you've already agreed about who's going to be doing most of the typing. 1b. Via a live chat. That can be as simple as a Chat activity instance. Eventually, I am counting on overlay chat [1] and push-to-talk [2] to solve the out of band communication problems. 2. Multiple windows ShareTerm is built on GNU Screen, which supports multiple independent windows not unlike what you describe. (It sometimes calls itself a text only window manager.) In pair programming, for example, users could type in separate buffers, looking over each other's shoulders periodically. [1] http://dev.laptop.org/attachment/ticket/3310/activity_chat_sketch.png [2] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Push_to_Talk ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] A security vs. functionality question
Lucian Branescu wrote: Could you let the invited user in a chroot by default and only allow full access if the inviting user explicitly allows it? 1. What sort of interface do you have in mind? What is more explicit than Share with: My Neighborhood? 2. Why a chroot, and not Rainbow? 3. How do we create a chroot without requiring root privileges? (It seems many Sugar users, such as those in Uruguay or on LTSP, will not have root.) --Ben signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] A security vs. functionality question
Share with: My Neighborhood is too broad to allow full access. But Share with: John should be enough to assume that you trust John. Or instead have a separate option Share with: John (full acces). A chroot because afaik rainbow doesn't really work outside the XO distro My impression may be wrong, though. I had assumed everyone has root access, it is such a basic need for a machine you own. 2009/8/7 Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu: Lucian Branescu wrote: Could you let the invited user in a chroot by default and only allow full access if the inviting user explicitly allows it? 1. What sort of interface do you have in mind? What is more explicit than Share with: My Neighborhood? 2. Why a chroot, and not Rainbow? 3. How do we create a chroot without requiring root privileges? (It seems many Sugar users, such as those in Uruguay or on LTSP, will not have root.) --Ben ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Rochester Institute of Technology MiniCamp
As the summer wraps up I would like to congratulate our friends from RIT on a very successful summer program. Last spring we started off a brainstorm about how to set up a Sugar Shack; a house for participants to come and live for a few month or even a year to hack on Sugar. Rather early in the discussion professor Stephen Jacobs jumped in and said, Hey, this aligns with a student co-op program I would like to start. Stephen gathered two very talented mentors, Karlie Robinson and Frederick Grose. Well, we didn't rent a house. But Stephen, Karlie and Frederick did gather three students, Eric Mallon, Tyler Bragdon, and Wesley Dillingham, with courage to be the first through the program. Instead of the house, we are coming down to Boston for a week of reflection, hard work, and a little bit of fun:) It looks like we will arrive Monday the 9th. Tuesday and Wednesday we will reflect on what worked, what didn't work, and how we can improve things for the next iteration. Thursday, Friday, and Saturday we will buckle down and work on a deployment related task that we identified earlier in the week. Fred has put up a full draft schedule at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Summer_Program/Massachusetts_Field_Trip . Don't worry, Fred has included a fair bit of fun in the schedule. If you are in town, please stop in and join us! david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] A security vs. functionality question
Lucian Branescu wrote: Share with: My Neighborhood is too broad to allow full access. But Share with: John should be enough to assume that you trust John. Or instead have a separate option Share with: John (full acces). Sugar does support direct Invitations for private sharing. I like the idea that full permissions would be retained if shared by invitation only, but that permissions would have to be dropped before any public sharing. This might be possible to implement in current systems. A chroot because afaik rainbow doesn't really work outside the XO distro My impression may be wrong, though. Rainbow is not currently used much outside of the XO, but it should be, and it can be. Michael Stone, who developed it, no longer works for OLPC, but he has continued to update it. It can be packaged for any distro. There has been some bitrot; Sugar needs to be tweaked to regain compatibility. Someone will have to be bold enough to write the patches. I had assumed everyone has root access, it is such a basic need for a machine you own. Not all Sugar users run on machines that they own. Some are students running on school computers. Some are children who run on their parents' computers. In any case, I'm uncomfortable with an Activity requiring arbitrary root access, and what Rainbow provides is very much like a chroot (chhome? chuser?). --Ben signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Any way to hide google translation stuff in the printable version of wiki pages?
Hi Kevin,
On 6 Aug 2009, at 23:32, Kevin Cole wrote:
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 17:52, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com
wrote:
Hmmm, wow folks actually still print? :-) I had a colleague who would
incessantly print out every email she received and file it away by
date,
that was quite fun to watch ;-) On a community wiki, material is
going to be
out of date _really_ fast if you're referring to a print-out.
I frequently find myself in situations where I have but one
computer, and
browsing the documentation while trying to do something else on the
same
computer (particularly the XO), is a RPITA.
One benefit now is that all pages have translation links.
True, though I'm still not keen on all the vertical scrolling into
empty
space.
My original thought (which Dave Bauer filled in what I left unsaid)
was
using either a class or id attribute on the div and/or table
within it,
and then setting that class/id to display:none for @media print.
This would
avoid the empty space you're referring to: Pages would show up as
most do
now, but when printed, all the translation magic would disappear
from the
printout.
That would be cool, it's some css magic I wasn't aware of.
Barring that solution, would you be okay with something that
rearranged the
order of the sidebar to minimize scrolling? (Of course, different
people
are going to want different stuff at the top...)
-.8 if it comes to a vote :-)
Tell us how you REALLY feel. ;-)
Well a re-arrange would help a little, still, mark me down as a -.75
for the side bar (it was already too big to be honest) ;-)
Just did some testing – I've modified the Activity Team page with the
below snippet:
noincludediv class=noprint{{GoogleTrans-en}}{{TeamHeader|
Activity Team}}/div/noinclude
...and all the google translate is removed when printing:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team
Can you give it a quick test and confirm?
Regards,
--Gary
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] A security vs. functionality question
Lucian, Ben: Here are a bunch of reactions. Apologies for the delay. :) Michael Lucian Branescu wrote: A chroot because afaik rainbow doesn't really work outside the XO distro My impression may be wrong, though. Would you mind taking a look at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Rainbow for me and letting me know what questions you are left with? Ben Schwartz wrote: Rainbow is not currently used much outside of the XO, but it should be, and it can be. Michael Stone, who developed it, no longer works for OLPC, but he has continued to update it. It can be packaged for any distro. There has been some bitrot; Sugar needs to be tweaked to regain compatibility. Someone will have to be bold enough to write the patches. Sascha and I actually wrote the most important patches several months ago and Tomeu merged them last weekend in response to #593. (Thanks, Tomeu and Sascha!) (That being said, there's more fun to be had -- check out the next steps Rainbow page!) Lucian Branescu wrote: I had assumed everyone has root access, it is such a basic need for a machine you own. The most notable existing Sugar users I know of who lack easy root access are the kids using Sugar in Uruguay and Ethiopia. It's an unfortunate situation. Ben Schwartz wrote: To educators: How concerned are you about a feature that allows one student to invite others to play on their computer? Remote access is only granted if the user chooses to share a specific activity. The effect is similar to letting someone walk over and type on your keyboard. With current technology, it's a bit more like letting any stranger with a nametag that reads Jimmy walk over and type on your keyboard when you actually meant to invite your friend Jimmy over to help you. (Also, do note that your simile also describes the current security properties of activity installation, web browsing, Adobe-Flash playing, and perhaps of plugging in USB sticks -- that is: non-existent.) Ben Schwartz wrote: To engineers: Is sharing an activity a sufficient indication of intent from the user to execute a potentially dangerous action, such as sharing Terminal on a public collaboration server? Let's start with a more basic question: what mental model(s) of software do we want to share with our learners? Ben Schwartz wrote: An Activity can easily be stopped by a single click at any time. Pff. On Sugar today, an activity can probably reformat your hard disk, reflash your BIOS, or make toast on your IPv6-enabled toaster. (Such, by the way, is the general state of desktop security.) Your only hope of stopping a malicious activity is to cut the power. Ben Schwartz wrote: One possibility that has occurred to me is to permit unsafe sharing only with users who have already been designated as Buddies. Instead of Share with My Neighborhood, the toolbar would only offer Share with My Friends. A good design exercise that I think might shed some light on your situation would be to analyze your SharedTerm system, in both its current and in this proposed form, in terms of Ka-Ping Yee's design principles for usable security: http://zesty.ca/sid/ (Also, do let me know if you would like to pursue this course -- I would enjoy practicing with you.) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Fwd: [Grassroots-l] Anyone using the Map activity?
Forwarding to the Sugar community lists... http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Map_(activity) http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Map_(activity) -- Forwarded message -- From: Nick Doiron ndoi...@andrew.cmu.edu Date: Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:37 PM Subject: [Grassroots-l] Anyone using the Map activity? To: grassro...@lists.laptop.org Hi, I've been working on modifications to the Map activity. I will be switching to a new, faster Google Maps version designed for mobile devices, and I'm adding new features like distance, area, and collaboration. I was wondering if your XO group has tried the Map activity and had any input on its redesign. Thanks for your help, Nick Doiron ndoi...@andrew.cmu.edu http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Ndoiron ___ Grassroots mailing list grassro...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
