Re: [IAEP] Any way to hide google translation stuff in the printable version of wiki pages?
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 03:24, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote:
Hi Kevin,
On 6 Aug 2009, at 23:32, Kevin Cole wrote:
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 17:52, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com
wrote:
Hmmm, wow folks actually still print? :-) I had a colleague who would
incessantly print out every email she received and file it away by
date,
that was quite fun to watch ;-) On a community wiki, material is
going to be
out of date _really_ fast if you're referring to a print-out.
I frequently find myself in situations where I have but one
computer, and
browsing the documentation while trying to do something else on the
same
computer (particularly the XO), is a RPITA.
One benefit now is that all pages have translation links.
True, though I'm still not keen on all the vertical scrolling into
empty
space.
My original thought (which Dave Bauer filled in what I left unsaid)
was
using either a class or id attribute on the div and/or table
within it,
and then setting that class/id to display:none for @media print.
This would
avoid the empty space you're referring to: Pages would show up as
most do
now, but when printed, all the translation magic would disappear
from the
printout.
That would be cool, it's some css magic I wasn't aware of.
Barring that solution, would you be okay with something that
rearranged the
order of the sidebar to minimize scrolling? (Of course, different
people
are going to want different stuff at the top...)
-.8 if it comes to a vote :-)
Tell us how you REALLY feel. ;-)
Well a re-arrange would help a little, still, mark me down as a -.75
for the side bar (it was already too big to be honest) ;-)
What about using a dropdown menu? I think ASLO uses that.
Regards,
Tomeu
Just did some testing – I've modified the Activity Team page with the
below snippet:
noincludediv class=noprint{{GoogleTrans-en}}{{TeamHeader|
Activity Team}}/div/noinclude
...and all the google translate is removed when printing:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team
Can you give it a quick test and confirm?
Regards,
--Gary
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Re: [IAEP] Fwd: [Grassroots-l] Anyone using the Map activity?
Hi Nick, what about asking in the olpc-sur mailing list? Teachers there seem to be willing to try out new activities and give feedback. You will need someone with Spanish skills, though. Regards, Tomeu On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 05:53, Frederick Grosefgr...@gmail.com wrote: Forwarding to the Sugar community lists... http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Map_(activity) -- Forwarded message -- From: Nick Doiron ndoi...@andrew.cmu.edu Date: Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:37 PM Subject: [Grassroots-l] Anyone using the Map activity? To: grassro...@lists.laptop.org Hi, I've been working on modifications to the Map activity. I will be switching to a new, faster Google Maps version designed for mobile devices, and I'm adding new features like distance, area, and collaboration. I was wondering if your XO group has tried the Map activity and had any input on its redesign. Thanks for your help, Nick Doiron ndoi...@andrew.cmu.edu http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Ndoiron ___ Grassroots mailing list grassro...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] SoaS with SD cards irregularities
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:34 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: ===Sugar Digest=== In the meanwhile, we need to: experiment with more USB manufacturers; be more careful about characterizing the different failure modes; do some workflow experiments to see if we can minimize failures; try different file formats; and come up with simple and robust backup/restore mechanism so that we can end run failures. Greg Dekoenigsberg has suggested we take advantage of Fedora Test Days] to put a more rigorous analysis together. But we need a testing plan which means we need to first come to consensus on what it is we are trying to test. Variables include: * Which Sugar-on-a-Stick image is being tested? * What customizations have been made? * What process was used to create the key? * What size and brand of key is being tested? * What hardware the key is being tested on? * What is the nature of the failure? (no boot, corrupted data, etc.?) * What was the history of use prior to failure? The sticks I have with SD cards have started to fail on the older computers at school (after working ok for 2 weeks of lessons). But they still work fine on my newer Dell mini inspiron. This is a very consistent pattern. I have 8 sticks with SD cards and 6 have failed on older computers but all of those 6 still work on the Dell mini inspiron. They start to boot, the xo icon appears and dots but not icons appear in the circle. This screen hangs for a while and then exits to a black screen with this message: Warning: cannot find root file system Create symlink /dev/root and then exit this shell to continue the boot sequence bash: no job control in this shell bash - 4.0# My other sticks are a mixture of Kingstons and Laser and none of these have failed. Let me know if you want more detail such as answers to all of the above questions. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SoaS with SD cards irregularities
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:11:31PM +0930, Bill Kerr wrote: The sticks I have with SD cards have started to fail on the older computers at school (after working ok for 2 weeks of lessons). But they still work fine on my newer Dell mini inspiron. This is a very consistent pattern. I have 8 sticks with SD cards and 6 have failed on older computers but all of those 6 still work on the Dell mini inspiron. They start to boot, the xo icon appears and dots but not icons appear in the circle. This screen hangs for a while and then exits to a black screen with this message: Warning: cannot find root file system Create symlink /dev/root and then exit this shell to continue the boot sequence bash: no job control in this shell bash - 4.0# [...] Let me know if you want more detail such as answers to all of the above questions. It'd be interesting to see if turning off pretty-boot in one of the stick's /boot/olpc.fth allowed you to see any other interesting messages. Martin pgp4L6hvK7smW.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 17, Issue 20
I, for one, had not heard of the map activity, but then again I'm new to Sugar. That said, I'm a big fan of maps and will take a look at the Map activity, if it's part of the Sugar (distro?). I'll post my findings on youtube as I've been doing: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=pleabargainview=videosquery=OLPC Dennis From: Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com Subject: [IAEP] Fwd: [Grassroots-l] Anyone using the Map activity? To: iaep SugarLabs iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org, Sugar Devel sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org Cc: Nick Doiron ndoi...@andrew.cmu.edu Message-ID: f3383f810908062053p3853f11dje5b8aac77fd45...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Forwarding to the Sugar community lists... http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Map_(activity) http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Map_(activity) -- Forwarded message -- From: Nick Doiron ndoi...@andrew.cmu.edu Date: Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:37 PM Subject: [Grassroots-l] Anyone using the Map activity? To: grassro...@lists.laptop.org Hi, I've been working on modifications to the Map activity. I will be switching to a new, faster Google Maps version designed for mobile devices, and I'm adding new features like distance, area, and collaboration. I was wondering if your XO group has tried the Map activity and had any input on its redesign. Thanks for your help, Nick Doiron ndoi...@andrew.cmu.edu http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Ndoiro ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.85.2 Development Release
Dear Sugar Community, This is the second development release in the 0.86 release cycle - see the schedule [1] for more details. Note, that we are two weeks late with this release, as we wanted to land some of the features so we can get feedback on, especially the toolbar redesign. This will have no effect on the final release date, though. We are getting closer to the feature freeze and a few features have been landed in this release. Please test them carefully and report any bug and workflow issues you find to get them in good shape for the release. A friendly BugSquad [2] will be available to triage those bugs accordingly and the developers can never have enough bug food. If you have non-bug feedback about features you can use the sugar-devel mailing list to share it with us. From a user point of view we want to highlight the following changes that have been made: === Switch to Metacity window manager=== Sugar switches the window manager from Matchbox to Metacity. Matchbox is designed for small devices that run all applications maximized. Sugar can run in devices with bigger screens and some applications break when run in Matchbox. Using Metacity instead means that some unsugarized apps would run better inside Sugar and that Sugar activities would behave better when run outside Sugar. === Flash Activities === Gnash has been added to the Sugar Platform, meaning that authors of educative content can use Flash tools [3] to create activities for Sugar. === Activity Toolbar redesign === The activity toolbar has been redesigned, since the design of using tabs to group options, an activity can have, did not turn out to work so well. More details about the new toolbar design [4]. The redesign gives a solution for the stop activity issue pointed out in #452. Browse and Write have been ported to use the new Toolbar design. === Tabs in Browse === Links that would open in a new window now open in new tabs inside the main activity window similar to the behavior in other browsers. Though this feature [5] isn't proposing any way for the user to explicitly open any link in a new tab, or explicitly create a new tab. === Ad hoc Networking === The new ad hoc networking facilities allows users to connect with each other over wireless in an ad hoc manner without infrastructure like an Access Point. This is the so called under a tree scenario. OLPC provided that functionality based on hardware mesh. This feature allows to provide that functionality with nearly all the wireless hardware. Furthermore it allows you to do share an internet connection using the same mechanism. === Read === The read activity does support now Epub files. For getting epubs, http://www.feedbooks.com and http://www.epubbooks.com/ can be recommended. Furthermore this version will let you associate (add and edit) notes with your bookmarks, and has a slightly more useful fullscreen view (you can now get a rough idea of how much battery is left in your laptop/netbook without invoking the frame). == Compatibility == There are no known compatibility issues, as of today. == Update to this version == Please use the instructions for your distribution (Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian etc) of choice to update to this release. == What is new for packagers == Please see the details at [7]. The locations of the tarballs are listed in the release notes as well. Thanks everyone for your great contributions! You can find more infos and pictures at [8]. In behalf of the sugar community, Your Release Team [1] Schedule: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.86/Roadmap#Schedule [2] BugSquad: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/BugSquad [3] Flash Activities: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Flash_Activities [4] Toolbar: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/New Toolbar Design [5] Tabs: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Tabs_In_Browse [6] Ad hoc Networking: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Ad_hoc_Networking [7] Packagers info: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.86/0.85.2_Notes#What_is_new_for_packagers [8] Notes: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.86/0.85.2_Notes ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 17, Issue 20
Just tried to run 'map' or 'maps' in sugar .85x with no joy. How do I get your package into sugar? Here's what I did to try and get your act/app running. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQpM8_xeWfE lost and found: +15047567321 +18586833669 GoogleTalk: dennisgdaniels skype : dennisdaniels EOF On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 07:21, Dennis Danielsdennisgdani...@gmail.com wrote: I, for one, had not heard of the map activity, but then again I'm new to Sugar. That said, I'm a big fan of maps and will take a look at the Map activity, if it's part of the Sugar (distro?). I'll post my findings on youtube as I've been doing: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=pleabargainview=videosquery=OLPC Dennis From: Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com Subject: [IAEP] Fwd: [Grassroots-l] Anyone using the Map activity? To: iaep SugarLabs iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org, Sugar Devel sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org Cc: Nick Doiron ndoi...@andrew.cmu.edu Message-ID: f3383f810908062053p3853f11dje5b8aac77fd45...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Forwarding to the Sugar community lists... http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Map_(activity) http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Map_(activity) -- Forwarded message -- From: Nick Doiron ndoi...@andrew.cmu.edu Date: Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:37 PM Subject: [Grassroots-l] Anyone using the Map activity? To: grassro...@lists.laptop.org Hi, I've been working on modifications to the Map activity. I will be switching to a new, faster Google Maps version designed for mobile devices, and I'm adding new features like distance, area, and collaboration. I was wondering if your XO group has tried the Map activity and had any input on its redesign. Thanks for your help, Nick Doiron ndoi...@andrew.cmu.edu http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Ndoiro ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] three recommendations from a naive teacher
I'm new to Sugar and as a teacher I'm very much concerned about my users' experience and avoiding confusion or unwarranted chaos on my end... I'm recording screencasts what I discover as a first time user to Sugar. For the record, it took nearly two days on and off to get a stable version of Sugar installed on my intel laptop PC. From an admin's perspective, this required way too much time. Teachers are not techs and the Sugar install required a lot of technical know how... Furthermore, we can be pretty certain that there are a lot of places in the world that are NOT going to see OLPC realized. It's noble but it's not been practical yet and teachers and schools are usually at their best when it comes to practical thinking. Budgets determine a lot of that thinking. Sugar, IMHO, needs to look to the VAST numbers of cheap Intels that litter the planet as a place to get kids and teachers involved with computing. And that means Sugar needs to be easy to install for the most naive(read teacher) users. I for one am experiencing very little joy as a naive user or a potential teacher/user of Sugar in a classroom. I feel like very little is easy or intuitive which would run counter to the news and the intended purpose of the software, I know. What is the usual training time set for teachers on Sugar? Are those trainings packaged with videos for distribution? Is the focus on a Sugar install on a small set of core apps? I believe Write and TurtleArt get a lot of 'play' in the documentation and support media. If anyone is lucky enough to have a group of young users to test Sugar on, please install a screencasting tool to record their actions, successes and struggles as _I fear that my struggles are not unique_. I'm going to try and find a youngster to try Sugar out on and record what they say and do. It's probably a good exercise for all Sugar devs and supporters. I would highly recommend a link to a video library of .ogv trainings (I know youtube and etc. won't work for licensing reasons) that can be accessed online or as part of the install. I understand that language is a barrier but video will go a long way to explaining how something works to naive users than text. Again, harking back to an earlier plea, better support for screencasts would make some of the opacity of Sugar go away, as OTHER users could provide support Sugar in media documentation. Three recommendations: 1-Fully implement screencasting so we can get students to create howtos...(offer .ogv storage?) teachers are too busy and don't know much anyway. OLPC has a few 100K students already right? Get their support for making screencast howtos. 2-Ubuntu has a huge user base: Get Sugar working on Ubuntu and ask for that user base support in screencasting. 3-Get an installer that is easy to use... Wubi is nice as it's a one-click install. (I personally have spent hours trying to get Soas to play nice, Ubuntu/sugar to work, Fedora/Sugar to work... only the last one succeeded and the IRC people suggested that I may not be running it correctly... but it's running which is a lot given how long I spent trying to get it to work without crashing; SoaS and Ubuntu sugar installs.) Why am I doing this? Pure self-interest. I'm going back into the classroom soon. I know the value of a fully networked classroom and what it does to help students and teachers. Sugar offers some fixes to problems that I had when I was running my LTSP lab so I would like Sugar to work without requiring so much of my attention or a whole lot of student training. with sincere regards and thanks to all those who have worked on Sugar, Dennis lost and found: +15047567321 +18586833669 GoogleTalk: dennisgdaniels skype : dennisdaniels EOF Sent from New Orleans, Louisiana, United States ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] SoaS with SD cards irregularities
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:11:31PM +0930, Bill Kerr wrote: The sticks I have with SD cards have started to fail on the older computers at school (after working ok for 2 weeks of lessons). But they still work fine on my newer Dell mini inspiron. The older ones are not XOs, right? Warning: cannot find root file system Can you append rootwait (without the quotes) to the kernel parameters, please? I hope Sebastian can give specific instructions how to do this interactively for SoaS. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] My videos are on Sugar Labs video site
David Farning gave me an account on video.sugarlabs.org and I've posted my videos there, both raw and edited. I was looking at Kino this morning, at the DV files it creates and the mencoder script it uses to encode them and I think I have some insight into why the text in my edited videos is distorted. My original OGV file is at 800 x 600. Kino converts this file to a DV at 720x480, and in that DV the text is not distorted. It is in the mencoder script that it converts the video to 640x480. I should be able to modify that script so it doesn't resize the video again and perhaps this will give me the quality I'm looking for. I also tried to compile Cinelerra on Fedora 11. It depends on every patent encumbered thing in the world, so I'll either have to compile all those things by hand or find a repository for Fedora 11 that has them. The Cinelerra website has instructions for installing for Fedora 9 and below only. When I was a kid I made student films on Super 8. I would have killed for the editing tools we have now. Also for actors that show up when they're supposed to. James Simmons ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Looking for very old hardware
On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 02:55:33PM -0700, Caryl Bigenho wrote: I would like very much to be able to put these old 5 1/2 floppies in, boot them up and print out the code so some enterprising Python programmer could convert them for Sugar. I'm not even sure the disks will still work. They are probably 20+ years old. Sorry to be unhelpful, but I doubt those floppies still work. I have thrown away all my 3.5 disks some years ago because they all had errors, and the 5.25 ones long before. Disks usually last about 5 years, maybe 10 if you're lucky (depends on magnetic fields in the vicinity, including the earth magnetic field). If you've got a chance go and try, but I wouldn't recommend spending any money on it. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] three recommendations from a naive teacher
Message: 8 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 09:20:42 -0500 From: Dennis Daniels dennisgdani...@gmail.com Subject: [IAEP] three recommendations from a naive teacher To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Message-ID: 986f38490908070720g4987f103ye491f4667e2ef...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I'm new to Sugar and as a teacher I'm very much concerned about my users' experience and avoiding confusion or unwarranted chaos on my end... I'm recording screencasts what I discover as a first time user to Sugar. For the record, it took nearly two days on and off to get a stable version of Sugar installed on my intel laptop PC. From an admin's perspective, this required way too much time. Teachers are not techs and the Sugar install required a lot of technical know how... Furthermore, we can be pretty certain that there are a lot of places in the world that are NOT going to see OLPC realized. It's noble but it's not been practical yet and teachers and schools are usually at their best when it comes to practical thinking. Budgets determine a lot of that thinking. Sugar, IMHO, needs to look to the VAST numbers of cheap Intels that litter the planet as a place to get kids and teachers involved with computing. And that means Sugar needs to be easy to install for the most naive(read teacher) users. I for one am experiencing very little joy as a naive user or a potential teacher/user of Sugar in a classroom. I feel like very little is easy or intuitive which would run counter to the news and the intended purpose of the software, I know. What is the usual training time set for teachers on Sugar? Are those trainings packaged with videos for distribution? Is the focus on a Sugar install on a small set of core apps? I believe Write and TurtleArt get a lot of 'play' in the documentation and support media. If anyone is lucky enough to have a group of young users to test Sugar on, please install a screencasting tool to record their actions, successes and struggles as _I fear that my struggles are not unique_. I'm going to try and find a youngster to try Sugar out on and record what they say and do. It's probably a good exercise for all Sugar devs and supporters. I would highly recommend a link to a video library of .ogv trainings (I know youtube and etc. won't work for licensing reasons) that can be accessed online or as part of the install. I understand that language is a barrier but video will go a long way to explaining how something works to naive users than text. Again, harking back to an earlier plea, better support for screencasts would make some of the opacity of Sugar go away, as OTHER users could provide support Sugar in media documentation. Three recommendations: 1-Fully implement screencasting so we can get students to create howtos...(offer .ogv storage?) teachers are too busy and don't know much anyway. OLPC has a few 100K students already right? Get their support for making screencast howtos. ***How about a down loadable DVD or CD of your Screencasts and suggested Teacher training? (NEW IDEA?) ***(alt + 1 will do screen shots to sugar Journal now.) 2-Ubuntu has a huge user base: Get Sugar working on Ubuntu and ask for that user base support in screencasting. 3-Get an installer that is easy to use... Wubi is nice as it's a one-click install. (I personally have spent hours trying to get Soas to play nice, Ubuntu/sugar to work, Fedora/Sugar to work... only the last one succeeded and the IRC people suggested that I may not be running it correctly... but it's running which is a lot given how long I spent trying to get it to work without crashing; SoaS and Ubuntu sugar installs.) *** sdziallas on #sugar is making an installer CD for sugar at this time. *** I still think that you should try the Full install USB's I have at: http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/ then you can boot to them and run a fully installed XFCE/SUGAR-DESKTOP from the USB. No HD install required. Fully configured ready to boot you PC with switcher bar to chose XFCE/SUGAR at login look at the read me file on the above link to get passwords etc. (You can change and add users, do updates etc from XFCE, Then log out and log back in to sugar. This USB has Network Manager and logs in from F1 sugar neighborhood to wireless on my EeePC900. Wired Networking is DHCP ready to go on connection. USB in sugar will work on Jabber server for collaboration. If you delete the name of the jabber server in the drop down box My Settings /Network (when you hover over you XO in sugar) You will be able to connect over the same network to other PC's that are connected to it. *** For a HD install (hi speed network for 3-4 hrs required) see: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Linux#Full_Fedora_11_Install_of_Sugar_and_XFCE_Desktops_to_USB follow the instructions EXACTLY except 1) do not delete the swap file 2) use the hard disk of the PC instead of the USB I use a hp
[IAEP] My videos are on Sugar Labs video site
Hello James! That video link is intriguing however it doesn't allow viewing for normal mortals. How do we see what's in there? Is there any good training stuff? As a workaround for Linux's lack of non-linear editing (NLE) tools perhaps post the vids to a central place i.e. your google apps video link and then users/editors can dnld the vids from there and edit in the many different NLE (free) tools avail on Mac and Win*? Dennis Message: 2 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 09:46:02 -0500 From: Jim Simmons nices...@gmail.com Subject: [IAEP] My videos are on Sugar Labs video site To: It's An Education Project List iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Cc: Dave C davewebproducti...@yahoo.com Message-ID: abb0965a0908070746mc8489eboa33007ef96922...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 David Farning gave me an account on video.sugarlabs.org and I've posted my videos there, both raw and edited. I was looking at Kino this morning, at the DV files it creates and the mencoder script it uses to encode them and I think I have some insight into why the text in my edited videos is distorted. My original OGV file is at 800 x 600. Kino converts this file to a DV at 720x480, and in that DV the text is not distorted. It is in the mencoder script that it converts the video to 640x480. I should be able to modify that script so it doesn't resize the video again and perhaps this will give me the quality I'm looking for. I also tried to compile Cinelerra on Fedora 11. It depends on every patent encumbered thing in the world, so I'll either have to compile all those things by hand or find a repository for Fedora 11 that has them. The Cinelerra website has instructions for installing for Fedora 9 and below only. When I was a kid I made student films on Super 8. I would have killed for the editing tools we have now. Also for actors that show up when they're supposed to. James Simmons -- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] My videos are on Sugar Labs video site
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Dennis Danielsdennisgdani...@gmail.com wrote: Hello James! That video link is intriguing however it doesn't allow viewing for normal mortals. How do we see what's in there? Is there any good training stuff? What is not working for you? Would you mind working with me to turn it into a bug report for our infrastructure team? david As a workaround for Linux's lack of non-linear editing (NLE) tools perhaps post the vids to a central place i.e. your google apps video link and then users/editors can dnld the vids from there and edit in the many different NLE (free) tools avail on Mac and Win*? Dennis Message: 2 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 09:46:02 -0500 From: Jim Simmons nices...@gmail.com Subject: [IAEP] My videos are on Sugar Labs video site To: It's An Education Project List iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Cc: Dave C davewebproducti...@yahoo.com Message-ID: abb0965a0908070746mc8489eboa33007ef96922...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 David Farning gave me an account on video.sugarlabs.org and I've posted my videos there, both raw and edited. I was looking at Kino this morning, at the DV files it creates and the mencoder script it uses to encode them and I think I have some insight into why the text in my edited videos is distorted. My original OGV file is at 800 x 600. Kino converts this file to a DV at 720x480, and in that DV the text is not distorted. It is in the mencoder script that it converts the video to 640x480. I should be able to modify that script so it doesn't resize the video again and perhaps this will give me the quality I'm looking for. I also tried to compile Cinelerra on Fedora 11. It depends on every patent encumbered thing in the world, so I'll either have to compile all those things by hand or find a repository for Fedora 11 that has them. The Cinelerra website has instructions for installing for Fedora 9 and below only. When I was a kid I made student films on Super 8. I would have killed for the editing tools we have now. Also for actors that show up when they're supposed to. James Simmons -- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] My videos are on Sugar Labs video site
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:30, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: What is not working for you? Would you mind working with me to turn it into a bug report for our infrastructure team? The videos can only be viewed by those with a @sugarlabs.org account, which is a small group :) -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] My videos are on Sugar Labs video site
Argg. I though it was world readable. On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Luke Faraonel...@faraone.cc wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:30, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: What is not working for you? Would you mind working with me to turn it into a bug report for our infrastructure team? The videos can only be viewed by those with a @sugarlabs.org account, which is a small group :) -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] My videos are on Sugar Labs video site
Dennis, Until yesterday I was one of those mere mortals myself, then David gave me an account. If you think you could contribute something to these videos as you are proposing then you would need an account too. This site is for works in progress and raw footage. When something is good enough to show the world we'd put it somewhere else or maybe embed a link to the video in a page somewhere else. I haven't tried the second option yet. There isn't much there at the moment. If I invited you to be a collaborator then you could download what I posted as well as view it. The same files are downloadable from http://people.sugarlabs.org/jdsimmons/. Also, Kino seems to be a decent non-linear editor for Linux and Cinelerra might be even better. The Mac might have better tools, but Kino beats what I used in my Super 8 days. James Simmons On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Dennis Danielsdennisgdani...@gmail.com wrote: Hello James! That video link is intriguing however it doesn't allow viewing for normal mortals. How do we see what's in there? Is there any good training stuff? As a workaround for Linux's lack of non-linear editing (NLE) tools perhaps post the vids to a central place i.e. your google apps video link and then users/editors can dnld the vids from there and edit in the many different NLE (free) tools avail on Mac and Win*? Dennis ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] My videos are on Sugar Labs video site
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Luke Faraonel...@faraone.cc wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:30, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: What is not working for you? Would you mind working with me to turn it into a bug report for our infrastructure team? The videos can only be viewed by those with a @sugarlabs.org account, which is a small group :) Yes, Luke is correct. On educational and business accounts, google videos are only available to viewers with an account. They call it a security feature. I call it a bug. So I guess this brings up three issues: 1. How and where should we store work-in-progress videos? 2. How and where should we distribute user-ready videos? 3. How do we fairly assign @sugarlabs.org accounts? 1 and 2 require someone with knowledge of the video landscape. 3 gets back to the idea of a member. If anyone would like to take on these issues that would be great. david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] NOW: Contributors Program Mtg! (Fri 2PM Boston time, #olpc-meeting)
Please join us (right now!) reviewing the latest OLPC/Sugar community projects over IRC Live Chat, 2PM EDT Boston Time Friday: http://forum.laptop.org/chat Then type at bottom: /join #olpc-meeting AGENDA: * New projects libraries -- teaching them Community Outreach: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects#XO_Laptop_Lending_Libraries * Which projects might you enjoy Mentoring?! http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects http://rt.laptop.org/Search/Results.html?Query=Queue=%27contributors%27 * Fast Review of the 3 latest (greatest!) HW/Project Proposals -- please join us advocating for and/or reviewing shortcomings of these proposals: 1. Notalon: New Note-Taking Software - Cambridge, MA, USA http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=45208 http://hg.notalon.org/saketh/notalon Requests 1 XO's over 9 months Project Objectives: Project Objectives: Develop a version of Notalon for the XO that allows students to take notes on books and during lectures within an application specifically designed for note-taking, encouraging organizational skills. 2. OLPC Philippines: Kindling Discoveries Pilot Program http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=45453 http://ekindling.org http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Project/ekindling http://twitter.com/eKindling http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Kindling_Discoveries_Series Requests 50 XO's over 12 months Project Objectives: 1. Successfully design and deploy a scalable and sustainable pilot program in an elementary public school with an inaugural class of 30-35 students. 2. Use good and best practices from initial pilot program to support XO deployment programs throughout the Philippines. 3. Facilitate development of Philippine-centric content for XO laptops with partner academic institutions and volunteer developers. 4. Grow community of different stakeholders/supporters ranging from educators, academic institutions, developers, business leaders, philanthropist, etc. that can support future deployment and content development. 5. Share best deployment practices and valuable content for the benefit of the global OLPC community. 3. OLPC Bayern Library - Munich/Munchen, Germany http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=45454 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Bayern (NEEDS REVISING) Requests 15 XO's over 18 months Project Objectives: Translate the english manuals into a German/understandable version. Examine the look and feel of the laptop and how to provide more useful online help on the laptop for the different target groups (eg. developer, child, teacher, other people...) Test the help and search for improve potential The idea of OLPC is good. To see what potential is possible in technical writer environment we will look on the system and seek to write useful help text for user. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] My videos are on Sugar Labs video site... screencast of behavior for mortals
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Re: [IAEP] My videos are on Sugar Labs video site
The videos can only be viewed by those with a @sugarlabs.org account, which is a small group :) It's a small group because you have to pay for this service, do you not? Is Sugar 501(c)? Does Google offer discounts to NPOs or school orgs? ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] My videos are on Sugar Labs video site
I was posting my videos to public_html on my shell.sugarlabs.org account before. For work in progress it should be OK. It seems to me that you can embed a google video in a page kept elsewhere. That might be a way to make finished videos world viewable. I could try embedding my movie in the Read Etexts wiki page later. I can't do it now because google video is blocked at the office. If we're paying for these accounts I'd be willing to chip in my share, within reason. James Simmons On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:30 PM, David Farningdfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Luke Faraonel...@faraone.cc wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:30, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: What is not working for you? Would you mind working with me to turn it into a bug report for our infrastructure team? The videos can only be viewed by those with a @sugarlabs.org account, which is a small group :) Yes, Luke is correct. On educational and business accounts, google videos are only available to viewers with an account. They call it a security feature. I call it a bug. So I guess this brings up three issues: 1. How and where should we store work-in-progress videos? 2. How and where should we distribute user-ready videos? 3. How do we fairly assign @sugarlabs.org accounts? 1 and 2 require someone with knowledge of the video landscape. 3 gets back to the idea of a member. If anyone would like to take on these issues that would be great. david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] SoaS with SD cards irregularities
Sascha Silbe wrote: On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:11:31PM +0930, Bill Kerr wrote: The sticks I have with SD cards have started to fail on the older computers at school (after working ok for 2 weeks of lessons). But they still work fine on my newer Dell mini inspiron. The older ones are not XOs, right? Warning: cannot find root file system Can you append rootwait (without the quotes) to the kernel parameters, please? I hope Sebastian can give specific instructions how to do this interactively for SoaS. I'll try to! :) When you boot SoaS, you'll see a blue screen for one second - press escape there quickly - you'll be presented a menu saying in its first entry boot. Press tabulator there. You can now modify the kernel arguments (add rootwait) and boot by pressing enter then. This will add it only once, though. Usually, one needs to edit /etc/grub.conf to makesuch a change persistent, but I seem to recall that this didn't work in live images lately... --Sebastian CU Sascha ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] SoaS with SD cards irregularities
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Sebastian Dziallassebast...@when.com wrote: Sascha Silbe wrote: On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:11:31PM +0930, Bill Kerr wrote: The sticks I have with SD cards have started to fail on the older computers at school (after working ok for 2 weeks of lessons). But they still work fine on my newer Dell mini inspiron. The older ones are not XOs, right? Warning: cannot find root file system Can you append rootwait (without the quotes) to the kernel parameters, please? I hope Sebastian can give specific instructions how to do this interactively for SoaS. I'll try to! :) When you boot SoaS, you'll see a blue screen for one second - press escape there quickly - you'll be presented a menu saying in its first entry boot. Press tabulator there. You can now modify the kernel arguments (add rootwait) and boot by pressing enter then. This will add it only once, though. Usually, one needs to edit /etc/grub.conf to makesuch a change persistent, but I seem to recall that this didn't work in live images lately... You need to edit /syslinux/syslinux.cfg on the USB to change the boot parameters permenantly. Dave --Sebastian CU Sascha ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] GPA Class Notes August 5
At Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:12:10 -0400, Greg Smith wrote: Kids really wanted to play Scary Maze (http://www.google.com/#hl=enq=scary+maze+game+3aq=0oq=scary+maze+game+aqi=g10fp=flbC24gbdiA) but we said that wasn't available. I tried it via Flash later and it worked fine but I wasn't sure its really kid appropriate. I realized that they probably like it because of the adrenalin rush at being scared when you make a small mistake. I think Nintendo 64, Game Boy and other popular younger kid games also benefit from provoking the adrenalin response. I think Sugar could use more adrenalin provoking games I'm not following all the reports and missing bunch of context so this could be an off comment, but this kind of game is very easy to make in Etoys. (There was a Japanese game show with physical moving obstacles and the player holds a bar and is supposed to navigate the bar through the course... So kids who knew about the show wanted make it by themselves). -- Yoshiki ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] GPA Class Notes August 5
Greg, How have you been doing turning these reports in bug reports for the development side of the project? If you would like, I can start working through your reports turning them into bug reports with a keyword such as GPA. david On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Greg Smithgregsmit...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Here are my notes from the last class at Gardner public school on August 5. Caroline, Bill, Anurag and I had a class with 9 x 3rd graders. Caroline led the class. Caroline introduced the class and saying we could not finish making the games but we would try to make the computer talk and the kids would take the USB sticks home today. She asked who has computers at home and everyone raised their hand. Then she asked what was the coolest thing they had done and what was the most challenging. Three kids answered: 1 - coolest: making your own memorize game most challenging: playing Conozco Uruguay in Spanish as some kids didn't know Spanish 2 - Coolest: painting your own pictures. Most challenging: getting pictures from the internet 3 - coolest and most challenging were the same: playing maze game. Caroline then showed the kdis how to put a CD in and the USB stick then reboot to bring up sugar. Kids went to the computers and that went well. 4/5 kids got the USB in OK. 1/5 had trouble connecting it and asked for help. Back on the carpet Caroline explained the Home list view and how you can flag activities there to show in the Home circle view. Then she asked the kids to try that and to try playing some of the games. She showed the physics game and the kids oohed at that. Many kids had trouble finding the list view, understanding how to click the star to pick activities and most difficult was to get back to circle home view. See UI comments at the end for more, in short they usually missed the need to click on the dot within circle icon in the upper right from the Home|List view. Several kids really wanted to play Maze but the scale was wrong and they couldn't. Same problem for Physics. In both cases, a part of the app was off screen. We definitely need a screen resolution option. They tried Speak. In most cases they didn't hear it (possibly more debugging data later from the team). It worked for one or two kids and for one it was crashing the OS and needing reboot after working a while. We showed them Mama media stick builder, cartoon builder, solitaire bounce a bunch of other games. They seemed to like them but often ran out of patience or wanted to be shown what to do. Some kids decided to try to chat. They needed instructions on how to connect with each other (more below) but liked that once it was up. Back on the carpet, Caroline explained how to go to Sugar activities page and download new activities with the Implode game as an example. Kids really wanted to play Scary Maze (http://www.google.com/#hl=enq=scary+maze+game+3aq=0oq=scary+maze+game+aqi=g10fp=flbC24gbdiA) but we said that wasn't available. I tried it via Flash later and it worked fine but I wasn't sure its really kid appropriate. I realized that they probably like it because of the adrenalin rush at being scared when you make a small mistake. I think Nintendo 64, Game Boy and other popular younger kid games also benefit from provoking the adrenalin response. I think Sugar could use more adrenalin provoking games Many kids needed help launching Browse and finding the sugar home page. BTW often they ask for help because someone is there to help. If no one was there they would probably soldier on themselves. On activities page they tried to find Pacman to no avail. We also found Gcompris maze games which they liked. Implode,Gcompris chess, and bounce were also popular. Caroline then exhorted them to wait until the computer shuts down before taking out USB. Then they each took a boot helper CD and USB stick and the class was over. We debriefed mostly on UI suggestions and areas which were hard for the kids. Not order comments: - Drop down menus don't show fast enough. In general kids need some kind of feedback on each click on when waiting (e.g. hour glass cursor). This was most apparent when trying to shut down activities because too many are running. I watched a kid do this by opening the frame, clicking on the activity, waiting for the drop down, choosing stop from that, then clicking the check mark in the Name This Journal entry popup. He had about 6 activities open and it took him about 10 minutes to close them, mostly because he kept looking at what the next kid over was doing while he waited for the menu to show. Also, the check box to close Journal naming dialog was not obvious and in general not needed. Possible improvement would be to make that an X and to not even show it when someone closes from the frame or home view and the activity has not changed since the last save/keep. - When downloading new activities the count down
Re: [IAEP] My videos are on Sugar Labs video site
Dennis you are asking all the right questions! The short answer would be search the archives:( The long answer is that we need teachers like you to insure that our wiki is complete, penetrable, and up to date. Will you you be able to continue working with us after school starts? WRT the Google apps question. Sugar Labs is registered as a 501(c)(3) under the umbrella of the Software Freedom Conservancy. Sugar Labs is set up with Google as a school system. As such, sugarlabs.org receives the full array of google Apps for free. We can also request that Local Labs receive independent XX.sugarlabs.org domains _without_ going through the full set of paperwork required for non profits. David On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Dennis Danielsdennisgdani...@gmail.com wrote: The videos can only be viewed by those with a @sugarlabs.org account, which is a small group :) It's a small group because you have to pay for this service, do you not? Is Sugar 501(c)? Does Google offer discounts to NPOs or school orgs? ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Trouble trying to change my home view icon the right way...
Hi, Not sure where to ask, but rather than sign up for YAML (Yet Another Mailing List), I thought I'd try here first. In the past I changed my icon the wrong way, by overwriting computer-xo.svg. It worked. Recently, on my XO running a clean install of the G1G1 802, I attempted to do it according to the FLOSS manual. For my initial test, so that I wouldn't mess up, I simply copied computer-xo.svg to my-xo.svg and verified owner and permissions were still the same. No joy. Instead, I get (in shell.log): No icon with the name my-xo was found in the theme. and the icon is missing from the home view. What's the missing piece? (Or is there a bug?) -- Ubuntu Linux DC LoCo Washington, DC http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Anyone using the Map activity?
I tried Map on a XO The map viewer and search worked OK. I didnt try to insert any material from the Journal. It starts zoomed in on Boston and I had to do a lot of pressing zoom out before I could do any useful navigation. I did not see a zoom slider tool. It is missing a lot of features of maps.google.com which works fine in Browse on the XO. It doesnt list multiple search results, has no zoom slider, doesnt show satellite view etc. I presume that the need Map has been created to fill is the annotation of maps with photos etc from the Journal and Sugar collaboration. Looks like if I logged into google maps I could upload photos from the journal, this is collaboration too. Not sure if I can control access to my google map uploads which is still a feature in favour of the Map Activity. I can upload photos to Flickr, I can place them on maps and can control who has access. There is a problem with Browse on XO build 767 that the upload dialog box occasionally gets stuck behind the main window. So I am having trouble seeing the need for a Map activity when good web based tools exist and which offer the collaboration features of Sugar at the web level. There is still a case for laptop based tools rather than doing everything in the cloud, net access is not everywhere, particularly not in olpc target markets, but the Map activity needs the net to work so why not just tap into the cloud? Tony On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 05:53, Frederick Grosefgr...@gmail.com wrote: Forwarding to the Sugar community lists... http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Map_(activity) -- Forwarded message -- From: Nick Doiron ndoi...@andrew.cmu.edu Date: Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:37 PM Subject: [Grassroots-l] Anyone using the Map activity? To: grassro...@lists.laptop.org Hi, I've been working on modifications to the Map activity.� I will be switching to a new, faster Google Maps version designed for mobile devices, and I'm adding new features like distance, area, and collaboration.� I was wondering if your XO group has tried the Map activity and had any input on its redesign. Thanks for your help, Nick Doiron ndoi...@andrew.cmu.edu http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Ndoiron ___ Grassroots mailing list grassro...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep _ This mail has been virus scanned by Australia On Line see http://www.australiaonline.net.au/mailscanning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] SoaS with SD cards irregularities
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Bill Kerrbillk...@gmail.com wrote: Variables include: ... - what is the partition table as printed by fdisk -p /dev/sdX ? - for the main partition on the USB, where the SoaS is stored (a FAT variant?) what are the fs options? (we need the moral equivalent of tune2fs -l /dev/XXX for vfat partitions...) - for the 'overlay' partition, after it has been fubar'd we need some diagnostics. Are there any? cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] feedback from school GPA/GAP message 6
. Search with blank text does it but not sure any kids would try that. Also, we believe that there are some activities on OLPC wiki which are not on the Sugar list (e.g. pacman and some eToys examples). - Switching from list view to circle view was not clear. Here's the click order as it stands now: 1 -- Start at home|circle 2 -- Click list view 3 -- star/select activities 4 -- Click circle view icon Its step 4 that's problematic. Instinct when on list view and wanting to see the circle is to click the dot within circle icon (F3). That just leaves you at List|Home view. Most everyone ran in to this. Another challenge is that the icons for switching from list - circle are in the upper right corner. So you often hit the frame which has a nice circle icon on it (=F3). In general, way too many UI elements are right near the corner which pops up the frame. - Kids consistently couldn't find the stop button. Either because it was on a different tab or because the icon doesn't ring true. That's it! Thanks a lot to Caroline et al for the chance to see the SW in action. I hope developers don't get too take it badly that there are lots of suggestions or complaints. In general the SW is great, things go well and its an awesome project. I just focus on continuous improvement but ts nit meant as criticism. Thanks, Greg S BTW I am 1 - 2 weeks behind on reading the lists. CC me directly as needed and I hope to catch up a little before the end of August. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:07:37 -0500 From: David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] My videos are on Sugar Labs video site To: Dennis Daniels dennisgdani...@gmail.com Cc: nices...@gmail.com, iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org, Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc Message-ID: b6625b990908071407j47a0a3c8q19795e79e28e2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Dennis you are asking all the right questions! The short answer would be search the archives:( The long answer is that we need teachers like you to insure that our wiki is complete, penetrable, and up to date. Will you you be able to continue working with us after school starts? WRT the Google apps question. Sugar Labs is registered as a 501(c)(3) under the umbrella of the Software Freedom Conservancy. Sugar Labs is set up with Google as a school system. As such, sugarlabs.org receives the full array of google Apps for free. We can also request that Local Labs receive independent XX.sugarlabs.org domains _without_ going through the full set of paperwork required for non profits. David On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Dennis Danielsdennisgdani...@gmail.com wrote: The videos can only be viewed by those with a @sugarlabs.org account, which is a small group :) It's a small group because you have to pay for this service, do you not? Is Sugar 501(c)? Does Google offer discounts to NPOs or school orgs? -- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:29:05 -0400 From: Kevin Cole dc.l...@gmail.com Subject: [IAEP] Trouble trying to change my home view icon the right way... To: IAEP SugarLabs iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Message-ID: d9a4a1af0908071529s222f38fcj2c53087799975...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, Not sure where to ask, but rather than sign up for YAML (Yet Another Mailing List), I thought I'd try here first. In the past I changed my icon the wrong way, by overwriting computer-xo.svg. It worked. Recently, on my XO running a clean install of the G1G1 802, I attempted to do it according to the FLOSS manual. For my initial test, so that I wouldn't mess up, I simply copied computer-xo.svg to my-xo.svg and verified owner and permissions were still the same. No joy. Instead, I get (in shell.log): No icon with the name my-xo was found in the theme. and the icon is missing from the home view. What's the missing piece? (Or is there a bug?) -- Ubuntu Linux DC LoCo Washington, DC http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/attachments/20090807/3275defd/attachment.htm -- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep End of IAEP Digest, Vol 17, Issue 24 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] feedback from school GPA/GAP message 6
Dennis Daniels wrote: I also wanted to note that in the report Speak broke... well, it totally crashed my system today and hard. Fedora11 stopped responding at all after it knee-jerked back to Fedora log in. Serious crash. Not seen anything like that on a unix machine in a long time. Got some video of it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IV_MFB8gb8 This video strongly suggests to me that you have broken hardware, and that Sugar is never going to work on it, because it's broken. I appreciate that you've run tests on this hardware, and maybe even other operating systems... but given this video, I can hardly believe that it is functioning properly. Sometimes hardware breaks in a way that is particularly sensitive to specific software (such as intensive use of the sound card or graphics card). I don't think this is a hardware compatibility issue, because your dmesg [1] shows a common Via C7-M chip with Chrome9 graphics. OLPC has been testing Fedora and Sugar on C7-M boards without the issues you've observed. --Ben [1] http://pastebin.be/20234 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] SoaS with SD cards irregularities
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:11:31PM +0930, Bill Kerr wrote: The sticks I have with SD cards have started to fail on the older computers at school (after working ok for 2 weeks of lessons). But they still work fine on my newer Dell mini inspiron. The older ones are not XOs, right? the older ones are PCs 4 years old ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
