Re: [IAEP] Remove the naming alert in 0.86
Posting to iaep only since cross-posting doesn't work for me anymore (non-subscribed email addresses get rejected) and it's more than just a technical issue (so sugar-devel isn't enough). On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 12:21:46AM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: Perhaps we drop this dialogue and then seriously take another look at improving the names automatically generated for new activity entries? +1 on that, even though I don't have direct experience with learners (other than myself) either. I'd like to toss another idea into the room: Show the naming dialog directly after _startup_ of a new instance. Ask the user what (s)he's intending to do when the decision is fresh and the user is focussed on the current activity, instead of getting in the way on closing, when the user is likely to already be focussing on the _next_ activity (whether real-world or Sugar). I do see the point about the naming dialog being an opportunity for reflection on what's just been done, but at least the current dialog isn't well-suited for that anyway, as it obscurs most part of the screen, so the user can only reflect on what's still in his/her mind, not on the finished work. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] installation problem
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 16:19, robertorobert...@gmail.com wrote: hello everyone i am trying to install sugar-on-a-stick using the process suggested in: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Strawberry#Windows_Users i use Xp currently but when the live-usb creator tries to complete the procedure the following error is reported: .\tools\dd.exe if=/dev/zero of=E:\LiveOS\overlay-FEDORA-D07F-3503 count=1902 bs=1M rawwrite dd for windows version 0.5. Written by John Newbigin j...@it.swin.edu.au This program is covered by the GPL. See copying.txt for details Error writing file: 112 There is not enough space on the disk 1614+0 records in 1613+0 records out .\tools\syslinux.exe -m -a -d syslinux E: Reading boot sector: The parameter is incorrect. the guide suggests at least 1 GB and i am allocating 1,9 ! on the stick Hi Roberto, what happens if you allocate 1,5 GB? Regards, Tomeu i cannot figure out the problem thank you in advance -- roberto ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SoaS install instructions on wiki
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Kevin Coledc.l...@gmail.com wrote: For what it's worth, here's a slightly colorized log of my successful burn on Ubuntu Jaunty, burned 2009-08-24. I don't know that it offers anything that hasn't been said elsewhere, but it is pretty much start to finish, with the possible exception of not having explicitly set the partition type to FAT32. http://research.gallaudet.edu/Tutorials/SoaS-2009-08-24.html I tried your instructions this morning (with the new beta image). Worked great except for some reason, I could not get the livecd-iso-to-disk.sh script to accept either the --delete-home or --unencrypted-home options. Only the latter appears in the --help for the script. Curious. In any case, my Classmate booted!! First time I have been able to burn a SoaS from Ubuntu to date. Thanks for working this out. Could you update the wiki with your instructions? (You may want to indicate to the uninitiated at what point the USB stick should be inserted/removed. Disclaimers: Use at your own risk. Contents may settle during shipping. Your mileage may vary. The secretary will disavow any knowledge... Batteries not included. What me, worry? -- Ubuntu Linux DC LoCo Washington, DC http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Sugar Digest 2009-09-03 (addendum)
I forgot to mention: Saturday, 2009-09-05, is the last day to register for membership if you want to participate in the 2009 Oversight Board elections. Please send email to memb...@sugarlabs.org to sign up. regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Remove the naming alert in 0.86
Hi Gary, On 09/03/2009 01:21 AM, Gary C Martin wrote: Hi Simon, On 2 Sep 2009, at 16:35, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 09/02/2009 01:32 PM, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 3:36 AM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.dewrote: Hi, some of you may know, I am doing a Sugar Pilot here in Germany. I try to keep my blog (listed on the sugarlabs planet as well) about my findings up to date [1]. For technical findings (how to setup nfs, ldap on Fedora for example) the plan is to use the wiki. 'Debatable things' I will try to bring up on the mailing list as well. Regards, Simon [1] http://erikos.sweettimez.de/ --- Categories: Sugar, Deployment and Teaching [2] http://planet.sugarlabs.org/ +1 on removing the “naming alert”, this has been bugging me since the day it's been introduced. Adding “rewards” to the Journal is something that David Van Assche and Gary C Martin discussed quite a bit Paris. Unfortunately nobody had the time to really follow up on these discussions with some actual code... :-/ Looking forward to the next blog posts about your experiences in the school! Christoph Let me post here from my blog post why I think it is important: As much as I am a friend of highlighting the naming, tagging and description purposes, I don’t think the alert is a good way to ‘enforce’ this. I think those actions are not first class ones. I am happy when the kids understood the concept of the Journal a bit, but they will not start to make better descriptions in the first Sugar days or weeks, with or without the alert. For now, it is just a confusing dialog that pops up when you close an activity. And later, once the kids would know about the importance they would be better served with other tools. For example an option in the activity toolbar (like we have for the title already). From my experience I highly recommend to remove the alert, +1 when for 0.86 already. Personally I'm not keen on it either. I pretty well always skip past it myself and have learnt to click Stop and tap return. But, being neither qualified on the pedagogical needs, nor having seen actual learners of out target age, I didn't want to rush forward and +1 Simon's proposal. I have seen only one kid typing in the description field over the last 3 days. Not sure, she understood the bigger picture though. I did not explain the concept of the Journal too much, I must admit. I think often when it comes to observation-driven assessment, that the long term user should be in the main focus. But in this case, I think the dialog does help much for neither of the users, first time nor long term ones. I think adding the ability to add tags and a description in the activity toolbar would be a big step forward. The main goal as I remember was to try and combat the slew of un-named Journal entries, but a good chunk of this was likely due to the Home favourite view always starting new activity instances. Now that it resumes by default, the Journal 'spam' has been cut down quite significantly (for me). Agreed. Perhaps we drop this dialogue and then seriously take another look at improving the names automatically generated for new activity entries? Regards, --Gary That would be a nice addition - not sure yet how that will look like in detail ;D. Though, the title is not only the most important descriptor. If the tags support land maybe people will start to use this to order their Journal entries. Regards, Simon ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Remove the naming alert in 0.86
On 09/03/2009 10:36 AM, Sascha Silbe wrote: Posting to iaep only since cross-posting doesn't work for me anymore (non-subscribed email addresses get rejected) and it's more than just a technical issue (so sugar-devel isn't enough). On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 12:21:46AM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: Perhaps we drop this dialogue and then seriously take another look at improving the names automatically generated for new activity entries? +1 on that, even though I don't have direct experience with learners (other than myself) either. I'd like to toss another idea into the room: Show the naming dialog directly after _startup_ of a new instance. Ask the user what (s)he's intending to do when the decision is fresh and the user is focussed on the current activity, instead of getting in the way on closing, when the user is likely to already be focussing on the _next_ activity (whether real-world or Sugar). Not sure, the student always know in advance what it does in TA for example. Anyway, my main problem is the forcing, I guess. When the learner knows in advance about the importance if giving good names and descriptions and add easy to reach tools, maybe that is enough. I disabled the alert for tomorrows class. I can explain the Journal concept and the importance before starting and see if the students would do pay attention to naming etc then. Regards, Simon ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
