Re: [IAEP] New versions of Read Etexts and View Slides available
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 23:42, Jim Simmonsnices...@gmail.com wrote: The usual automatic announcement went out to the Sugar-Devel list but I thought it might be appropriate to mention something here too. Hi Jim, do you think it's worth asking for feedback in olpc-sur even if the activities may not be fully translated? Regards, Tomeu The latest View Slides can now extract an image from a slide show and make a Journal entry with the correct MIME type. This was something that someone asked for awhile back. The need was to be able to distribute a collection of images such that individual images could be extracted and used to create a Memorize game, for example. View Slides also supports annotations and bookmarks (but not highlighting) much like Read Etexts does. I also fixed lots of bugs. I'm not saying ALL of them, but a lot. Read Etexts has a new filter script that lets you read ebooks in RTF format. This is useful to read the books in the Baen Free Library, which contains current and near current science fiction titles that you can download and read for free. Of the formats available for download, RTF is the easiest to support. I just convert it to a plain text file on the fly. The conversion is not perfect, but it is readable. So in addition to reading Jules Verne, H.G. Wells and Stanley G. Weinbaum our learners can also read _The Two Faces of Tomorrow_ by James P. Hogan and other good stuff. James Simmons ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] installation problem
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 17:33, robertorobert...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 16:19, robertorobert...@gmail.com wrote: hello everyone i am trying to install sugar-on-a-stick using the process suggested in: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Strawberry#Windows_Users i use Xp currently but when the live-usb creator tries to complete the procedure the following error is reported: .\tools\dd.exe if=/dev/zero of=E:\LiveOS\overlay-FEDORA-D07F-3503 count=1902 bs=1M rawwrite dd for windows version 0.5. Written by John Newbigin j...@it.swin.edu.au This program is covered by the GPL. See copying.txt for details Error writing file: 112 There is not enough space on the disk 1614+0 records in 1613+0 records out .\tools\syslinux.exe -m -a -d syslinux E: Reading boot sector: The parameter is incorrect. the guide suggests at least 1 GB and i am allocating 1,9 ! on the stick Hi Roberto, what happens if you allocate 1,5 GB? this is the error when i try to create the live usb with 1,5 GB: ### Downloading soas-strawberry.iso... Download failed: Requested Range Not Satisfiable You can try again to resume your download ### Hi, this seems to be caused by LiveUSBCreator trying to resume the download of a different file. Can you delete any files named soas-strawberry.iso and try again? Thanks, Tomeu thank you again -- roberto -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] 40 maths shapes challenges
introduced turtle art and barry newell's 40 shapes to my students today about half way through the lesson someone asked, how do you do the circle? before I could say anything another student replied, that's easy - just use arc you've gotta laugh (an arc primitive wasn't there for the original logo, nor is it in scratch) On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 2:12 AM, Maria Droujkova droujk...@gmail.com wrote: Circle is one of the hardest in Scratch. Unless I am missing a command. Cheers, Maria Droujkova http://www.naturalmath.com Make math your own, to make your own math. On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Bill Kerr billk...@gmail.com wrote: Image attached Forty shapes to make in Scratch http://scratch.mit.edu/ or some other version of logo, such as Turtle Arthttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Turtle_Art. It's hard to see the thumbnail but click on it for a larger view. This is one of the best sheets ever for teaching maths (designed by Barry Newell): - the logo turtle or scratch cat acts as a transitional object between the concrete maths shape and the abstraction of the script that makes the shape - the sheet includes both simple and complex shapes, increasing in order of complexity, there is a challenge there for everyone - many of the more complex shapes are made up of combinations of the simpler shapes Source: Barry Newell's Turtle Confusion (1988) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] New versions of Read Etexts and View Slides available
Tomeu, I hadn't thought of that. I'm going to subscribe to that list and send them the same information. Thanks, James Simmons On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:27 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 23:42, Jim Simmonsnices...@gmail.com wrote: The usual automatic announcement went out to the Sugar-Devel list but I thought it might be appropriate to mention something here too. Hi Jim, do you think it's worth asking for feedback in olpc-sur even if the activities may not be fully translated? Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] installation problem
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Dave Bauerdave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: What does windows report as the free space on the stick? if you mean before the installation: WS correctly reports the stick is totally empty ... thank you -- roberto ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming
Hi, This is to solicit feedback on the naming and colouring of the Sugar on a Stick v2 release scheduled for 2009-11-24[1]: 1) Release name: Blueberry 2) Release logo colours: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Logo_white_04.png Please reply all with any feedback. If you want to get involved with SoaS, please see http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Getting_Involved . Martin PS: The full release naming and colouring schedule is here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:MartinDengler/Commentaries:SoaSReleaseNaming PPS: apologies for the cross-posting - better solutions welcome. 1. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Roadmap pgpKJwbN1S29t.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming
Thank you, I love this naming concept with fruit names. yet a couple snags I see, No blueberries (arandanos) I ever saw in South/Cental America... (very delicious in Virginia, though!) Shouldn't we try to aim for something easy to localize and feel ownership of? Strawberry was good, orange, grape... Also, blueberry-grape followed by grape-blueberry might be a tad confusing.. Yama Martin Dengler wrote: Hi, This is to solicit feedback on the naming and colouring of the Sugar on a Stick v2 release scheduled for 2009-11-24[1]: 1) Release name: Blueberry 2) Release logo colours: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Logo_white_04.png Please reply all with any feedback. If you want to get involved with SoaS, please see http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Getting_Involved . Martin PS: The full release naming and colouring schedule is here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:MartinDengler/Commentaries:SoaSReleaseNaming PPS: apologies for the cross-posting - better solutions welcome. 1. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Roadmap ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming
Hi Martin The idea is ice cream flavors and Blueberry works since I had rollup banners and posters made in both the Strawberry and Blueberry colors, keeping them current for at least a couple of years (considering their cost). However, as stated previously it hasn't been our plan to name SoaS releases in advance, and it would be better not to. Why don't we stay with Blueberry for the next one and pick a flavor for the one after when the time comes. Glacier Zizi, perhaps the best ice-cream shop in Brussels, doesn't put up their list of summer specials in Fenruary :-) thanks Sean On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: Hi, This is to solicit feedback on the naming and colouring of the Sugar on a Stick v2 release scheduled for 2009-11-24[1]: 1) Release name: Blueberry 2) Release logo colours: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Logo_white_04.png Please reply all with any feedback. If you want to get involved with SoaS, please see http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Getting_Involved . Martin PS: The full release naming and colouring schedule is here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:MartinDengler/Commentaries:SoaSReleaseNaming PPS: apologies for the cross-posting - better solutions welcome. 1. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Roadmap ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 10:10:40PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Hi Martin The idea is ice cream flavors Ok. I hadn't picked up on this, despite being in the meeting when it was mentioned[1]. I suspect others may not have, either. and Blueberry works since I had rollup banners and posters made in both the Strawberry and Blueberry colors, keeping them current for at least a couple of years (considering their cost). Excellent. However, as stated previously it hasn't been our plan to name SoaS releases in advance Where is this policy? Does it state how far in advance is in advance? thanks Sean Martin 1. http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting.log.20090609_1104.html pgpaB4p62BDQY.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 04:04:33PM -0400, Yamandu Ploskonka wrote: Thank you, I love this naming concept with fruit names. I guess Sean's corrected you and I that it's ice-cream flavours :). yet a couple snags I see, No blueberries (arandanos) I ever saw in South/Cental America... (very delicious in Virginia, though!) Shouldn't we try to aim for something easy to localize and feel ownership of? Strawberry was good, orange, grape... Not sure how far to go with this, since I don't know how we could come up with something that's localisable enough. Perhaps you can expand on the ownership point? Also, blueberry-grape followed by grape-blueberry might be a tad confusing.. I changed around the proposed order to try to compensate. Yama Martin pgpU0XlIMc9W0.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming
I guess Sean's corrected you and I that it's ice-cream flavours :). sure! yet a couple snags I see, No blueberries (arandanos) I ever saw in South/Cental America... (very delicious in Virginia, though!) Shouldn't we try to aim for something easy to localize and feel ownership of? Strawberry was good, orange, grape... Not sure how far to go with this, since I don't know how we could come up with something that's localisable enough. Perhaps you can expand on the ownership point? It's not a deal breaker, but it would be easier for people to feel this is their tool if the symbol of it *is something they can connect with*, that is something they know. In this case, Latinamericans might have an easier time just using the English name than any attempt at translation. If it's ice cream flavors, Vanilla and Chocolate are universal... ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 04:42:07PM -0400, Yamandu Ploskonka wrote: I guess Sean's corrected you and I that it's ice-cream flavours :). If it's ice cream flavors, Vanilla and Chocolate are universal... I guess I was assuming that there needs to be a tie-in between the colour of the flavour and the colour of the logo. I got the possible choices of logos from http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Logo , and I've updated my page[1] to clarify that flavour-colour - logo-colour link. Martin 1. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:MartinDengler/Commentaries:SoaSReleaseNaming pgp1cs1riuSMB.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming
In fact Martin if I remember correctly we had already discussed this on-list... I will try to find the thread. The idea is to maximize launch impact by keeping the element of surprise on our side. This is also why the ice-cream shop doesn't announce their summer specials in advance - people like to be amused at what the latest news is, at their ice-cream parlor or at their project :-) Many journalists who covered the Strawberry launch were delighted with the name. Another idea with the flavor name roughly matching the logo color is for nongeeks to easily identify a SoaS version by mentioning the color of the Sugar logo at boot time. This helps us avoid horrid text and version numbers during the graphic boot sequence. You may remember Gary said (after his great green recoloring job on the beauty shot) that he was putting in a vote for Gooseberry (http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting.log.20090609_1104.html)... Single names are best - easier to remember. We had brought up with Christian the possibility of adding a new logo color combination for the next mystery flavor ;-) Sugar the word can have negative connotations associated with diabetes, obesity, sweets without nutrients, etc. The ice-cream association helps us because it's fun, it's associated with kids, and it doesn't harm anyone to have a cone. It greatly assisted us to go beta and v1 with SoaS, since journalists and bloggers understood that numbering immediately. This is solving our problem of incomprehensible Sugar + Fedora + OLPC-OS version numbers (as useful as they are to us from a technical standpoint). We said in our June 24th press release that the next SoaS version would come out before the end of the year; our challenge is to find a newsworthy story to tell for that launch (and the other PR we are working on to create buzz and spread awareness). For the v2 launch or the next, I am hoping we can put together a try Sugar online web environment which could be as basic as showing the interface with rollover balloons, or as complex as actually processing data. Sean On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 10:10:40PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Hi Martin The idea is ice cream flavors Ok. I hadn't picked up on this, despite being in the meeting when it was mentioned[1]. I suspect others may not have, either. and Blueberry works since I had rollup banners and posters made in both the Strawberry and Blueberry colors, keeping them current for at least a couple of years (considering their cost). Excellent. However, as stated previously it hasn't been our plan to name SoaS releases in advance Where is this policy? Does it state how far in advance is in advance? thanks Sean Martin 1. http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting.log.20090609_1104.html ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming
Somebody has been watching too many Windows commercials... :-) environment which could be as basic as showing the interface with rollover balloons, or as complex as actually processing data. anyway, from a marketing perspective, I respect and agree that some secret around the name might be a good idea, though it loses the fun of dissecting such an issue to death... Azucar was very well received in Latin America, where one of our artists, Celia Cruz, has a most characteristic way to pronounce it that the whole continent loves to mimic ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 10:57:00PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: In fact Martin if I remember correctly we had already discussed this on-list... I will try to find the thread. Please let me know. I did google for 'sugar ice cream soas' before I said I couldn't find anything besides the IRC meeting I mentioned. The idea is to maximize launch impact by keeping the element of surprise on our side. Ok...who are we surprising, though? The journalists? Won't they be surprised anyway, not being subscribed to our lists? As recent list posts have demonstrated[1,2,3], even people subscribed to our lists are surprised by content as recent as a few months ago. This is also why the ice-cream shop doesn't announce their summer specials in advance The analogy is not apt for software _development_, though it may be apt to _marketing_. Given Fedora and Ubuntu do announce their codenames well in advance of the release, they must be missing out on the marketing surprise in preference for the developer sanity (not having to remember not to say the code name publicly, or not even know what the logo will be until late in the game). Perhaps Fedora's each code name is related to the last in an insider-known way that it's fun to guess might be a way to speak to both needs? Or developers can just settle for talking about things in terms of integers, which isn't so bad. Another idea with the flavor name roughly matching the logo color is for nongeeks to easily identify a SoaS version by mentioning the color of the Sugar logo at boot time. This helps us avoid horrid text and version numbers during the graphic boot sequence. I think this point is for Yama, right? You and I both assumed this point was self-evident, but I guess it's not. You may remember Gary said (after his great green recoloring job on the beauty shot) that he was putting in a vote for Gooseberry (http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting.log.20090609_1104.html)... Yup, and you mentioned Apple before him. Are you suggesting either in place of Lime? Sean Martin 1. Let's log IRC channels in http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-September/008186.html 2. Can we add a new [!!!] [SoaS] naming scheme [using numbers]? in http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2009-September/019000.html 3. The irony of me saying oh, did I miss a list post immediately before this is not lost on me. pgpENQZgNOnY5.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/2009-June/001546.html found it, was during a (sometimes heated) discussion concerning Sugar vs. Sugar on a Stick, SoaS referring only to the Fedora distro or not, and some other topics :-) basically, a reread of the marketing meetings in June (and the lists) shows us formulating the plan. The beauty shot of the branded USB sticks for example was designed to have the colors of the first four versions of SoaS, and hence be reusable... since we won't have a pro photographer willing to help us out every time. While I had other beauty shots of netbooks running Sugar done at the same time which will aid us for the next launch... at launch time. To be clear, our marketing ideas are not policies set in stone... however, they are the fruit of discussion reflection. A successful launch (when we are lucky) brings together several factors which bump up awareness of Sugar. For example, we datelined the June 24th press release from LinuxTag in Berlin rather than Cambridge; this was part of the surprise factor which aided us. Other FOSS projects, distros likely have excellent software development methods... I can't comment intelligently on that. However, without naming names, I can say that most of them have sorry marketing indeed. This is not a reflection on the projects; geeks understand that they need to do marketing and PR (and of course community relations and recruitment, which are interrelated), they just don't have the experience. Although marketing/PR looks ridiculously easy to do from the outside, the reality is that if it were that easy, projects wouldn't have so much trouble getting known. The phenomenon of GNU/Linux desktops failing to gain marketshare on the desktop over the past decade has everything to do with poor marketing (as well as stiff - and not always fair - competition). So rather than seek inspiration from other FOSS projects, I'd much sooner seek inspiration from organizations/companies/projects which broke out and grew quickly in recognition. Inspiration, but not copying: the Spread Firefox campaign for example was very effective indeed in 2004, but the methods used were specific to the browser market and the context of the time. We have the fabulous opportunity to break new ground, and innovate marketing on a shoestring which spreads the word better than capitalized companies... all we have to do is be smart, consistent if we can (damage control wastes precious resources), and create initiatives instead of waiting for the phone to ring. Sean. On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 10:57:00PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: In fact Martin if I remember correctly we had already discussed this on-list... I will try to find the thread. Please let me know. I did google for 'sugar ice cream soas' before I said I couldn't find anything besides the IRC meeting I mentioned. The idea is to maximize launch impact by keeping the element of surprise on our side. Ok...who are we surprising, though? The journalists? Won't they be surprised anyway, not being subscribed to our lists? As recent list posts have demonstrated[1,2,3], even people subscribed to our lists are surprised by content as recent as a few months ago. This is also why the ice-cream shop doesn't announce their summer specials in advance The analogy is not apt for software _development_, though it may be apt to _marketing_. Given Fedora and Ubuntu do announce their codenames well in advance of the release, they must be missing out on the marketing surprise in preference for the developer sanity (not having to remember not to say the code name publicly, or not even know what the logo will be until late in the game). Perhaps Fedora's each code name is related to the last in an insider-known way that it's fun to guess might be a way to speak to both needs? Or developers can just settle for talking about things in terms of integers, which isn't so bad. Another idea with the flavor name roughly matching the logo color is for nongeeks to easily identify a SoaS version by mentioning the color of the Sugar logo at boot time. This helps us avoid horrid text and version numbers during the graphic boot sequence. I think this point is for Yama, right? You and I both assumed this point was self-evident, but I guess it's not. You may remember Gary said (after his great green recoloring job on the beauty shot) that he was putting in a vote for Gooseberry (http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting.log.20090609_1104.html)... Yup, and you mentioned Apple before him. Are you suggesting either in place of Lime? Sean Martin 1. Let's log IRC channels in http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-September/008186.html 2. Can we add a new [!!!] [SoaS] naming scheme [using numbers]? in http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2009-September/019000.html 3. The irony of me saying oh, did
[IAEP] share videos from XO?
I've wasted too much time today already in trying to share XO-originated videos. This is a major issue for deaf people, and as you know we're at Gallaudet (Washington DC university for the deaf) trying to do Good Things http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/edit/ClassActs Anyway, it id work in November 2008 to upload to youtube directly from the XO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgy1GQDjbL8 but that didn't work now, and neither did it work to email to another XO through Google mail an attachment with the video, that I attached here. I later added the .ogv hoping that would help to open under ubuntu on a desktop, no success. I was able to open it again in the originating XO, but that was it. At no time did the sound work, either. Yama tmp0UIb1S.ogv Description: video/ogg ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming
what about replacing colors with Gimp? basically, a reread of the marketing meetings in June (and the lists) shows us formulating the plan. The beauty shot of the branded USB sticks for example was designed to have the colors of the first four versions of SoaS, and hence be reusable... since we won't have a pro photographer willing to help us out every time. While I had other beauty shots of netbooks running Sugar done at the same time which will aid us for the next launch... at launch time. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 11:56:25PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 10:57:00PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: In fact Martin if I remember correctly we had already discussed this on-list... I will try to find the thread. Please let me know. I did google for 'sugar ice cream soas' before I said I couldn't find anything besides the IRC meeting I mentioned. http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/2009-June/001546.html But that's just me asking again where the flavours policy came from :), and you saying it came from the meeting I mentioned, and me saying I didn't catch it then, and...is it still Groundhog day? Well, Marketing decided Ice Cream flavours shall be the names of releases. Done. The beauty shot of the branded USB sticks for example was designed to have the colors of the first four versions of SoaS, and hence be reusable... since we won't have a pro photographer willing to help us out every time. Ah - so perhaps this: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Logo_white_05.png ...is the logo you want, not the one I mentioned in my email: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Logo_white_04.png ...? C'mon, it took a while to get the ice cream flavour choice sunk in, please don't leave us hanging on the logo choice...what do you want it to be? Other FOSS projects, distros likely have excellent software development methods... I can't comment intelligently on that. However, without naming names, I can say that most of them have sorry marketing indeed. Yes, and that's why _I_ asked _you_ questions, which you...didn't answer. You did quite politely say [geeks are bad at marketing][1]. I don't want to waste your time: you don't have to convince me of that, and I doubt anyone else is going to ask you to prove it either. So: The idea is to maximize launch impact by keeping the element of surprise on our side. Ok...who are we surprising, though? The journalists? ...and: [option a] Perhaps Fedora's each code name is related to the last in an insider-known way that it's fun to guess might be a way to speak to both needs? Or [ option b ] developers can just settle for talking about [releases] in terms of integers, which isn't so bad. Which is it to be - a) or b)? I'll listen, now, really. Sean. Martin 1. This is not a reflection on the projects; geeks understand that they need to do marketing and PR (and of course community relations and recruitment, which are interrelated), they just don't have the experience. Although marketing/PR looks ridiculously easy to do from the outside, the reality is that if it were that easy, projects wouldn't have so much trouble getting known. The phenomenon of GNU/Linux desktops failing to gain marketshare on the desktop over the past decade has everything to do with poor marketing (as well as stiff - and not always fair - competition). So rather than seek inspiration from other FOSS projects, I'd much sooner seek inspiration from organizations/companies/projects which broke out and grew quickly in recognition. Inspiration, but not copying: the Spread Firefox campaign for example was very effective indeed in 2004, but the methods used were specific to the browser market and the context of the time. We have the fabulous opportunity to break new ground, and innovate marketing on a shoestring which spreads the word better than capitalized companies... all we have to do is be smart, consistent if we can (damage control wastes precious resources), and create initiatives instead of waiting for the phone to ring. pgpyI5juYbnFa.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Answering teacher and other users questions on Launchpad
I worked with teachers today at GPA. School starts tomorrow. I pointed one of the teachers to Launchpad to ask questions. I did this rather then IAEP because I'd like to build up a FAQ set of answers that is automatically searched. And I had to pick one of the many mediums we had and at that moment in time I picked Launchpad I do think its the direction we are going although I know no decision has been made. The good news is the teacher had no problem with the UI of asking a question on launchpad. Now of course the problem is that no one is monitoring that location to answer the questions. If you'd like to answer user questions please consider subscribing here. https://answers.launchpad.net/soas/+answer-contact Today's questions are: She is using a Mac with Sugar running in Virtual Box. Doing a right click is possible but tricky (somehow it involves two fingers?). Is there another way to get to menus such as downloading an image in Browse and pasting images into Write. https://answers.launchpad.net/soas The other question is how do you share an activity with just one friend? https://answers.launchpad.net/soas/+question/82342 Anyone know any answers? Thanks! -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming
I will stay clear of whether or not we should say what to whom, but when the time comes: Cacao, native to Mexico, Central and South America, has been cultivated for at least three millennia in that region. It was used originally in Mesoamerica both as a beverage, and as an ingredient in foods. (wikipedia.org) Seems like Chocolate has got to be on our short list. Yum. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Where should we put Lesson Plans? Currwiki?
I'd like to introduce Kellie Doty, she is a fellow student in the Technology, Education and Innovation program at Harvard Grad School for Education and she is in Intern at Sugar Labs this fall working on the GPA project. Kellyie's role will be to help us develop curriculum, test it at GPA and publish it in a format that will be easy to adopt by other teachers. One of her first tasks will be to take the lessons we did over the summer and try to write them up. One question is where should we put lesson plans? My first thought was wiki.sugarlabs.org our wonderful maze of twisty pages all different. But Kellie pointed out that teachers need to be able to find things through various paths such as subject, grade level and activities used. My second thought was Moodle as it probably has a module for that. My current favorite idea is Curriki. I like the idea of going to a place where teachers already are and of potentially building a partnership with an organization with similar goals. What does the collective wisdom of IAEP think? Thanks, Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Where should we put Lesson Plans? Currwiki?
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 19:18, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.comwrote: But Kellie pointed out that teachers need to be able to find things through various paths such as subject, grade level and activities used. We could make use of Semantic MediaWikihttp://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Semantic_MediaWiki, an extention that lets you tag pages with metadata and which is used extensively on wiki.laptop.org. See for example http://wiki.laptop.org/go/8.2.1 or http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php?title=Writeaction=formedit http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php?title=Writeaction=formeditI can then do http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Property:Activity_genre, or refine my search down to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Special:SearchByProperty/Activity-20genre/Math-20and-20Science http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Special:SearchByProperty/Activity-20genre/Math-20and-20ScienceIt's a bit difficult to set up, but it allows for a very well organized and usable wiki directory. -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Electricity and magentism
At GPA we will be working with the 4th grade. Their fall science topic is Electricity and magentism. We have the GCompris activity: GCompris Electric 11 Any other suggestions? Thanks! Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Where should we put Lesson Plans? Currwiki?
I personally wasn't aware of Currwiki http://www.curriki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/ though on first glance it appears interesting though seriously lacking any quantitative evaluation (and we know the value of that a la USA/ NCLB). The question I have: how will sugar users teacher/students be able to use and build on the content? Having one teacher's contribution is ok, but getting all teacher's to contribute makes real sense. Are there any tools in Sugar that allow for lesson plan synchronization to a central site/db? Dennis ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Where should we put Lesson Plans? Currwiki?
From: Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com Subject: [IAEP] Where should we put Lesson Plans? Currwiki? To: iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org, Kellie Doty kmd...@mail.harvard.edu Message-ID: b74fba2b0909091618s103ddaa0oe4e2767f2aa02...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I'd like to introduce Kellie Doty, she is a fellow student in the Technology, Education and Innovation program at Harvard Grad School for Education and she is in Intern at Sugar Labs this fall working on the GPA project. Kellyie's role will be to help us develop curriculum, test it at GPA and publish it in a format that will be easy to adopt by other teachers. One of her first tasks will be to take the lessons we did over the summer and try to write them up. One question is where should we put lesson plans? My first thought was wiki.sugarlabs.org our wonderful maze of twisty pages all different. But Kellie pointed out that teachers need to be able to find things through various paths such as subject, grade level and activities used. My second thought was Moodle as it probably has a module for that. +1 for curriki. It has an existing community of teachers to work w/ and it is a good tool, geared to their needs -- Bryan W. Berry Technology Director OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Electricity and magentism
At GPA we will be working with the 4th grade. Their fall science topic is Electricity and magentism. We have the GCompris activity: GCompris Electric 11 Any other suggestions? http://tonyforster.blogspot.com/2009/03/xo-electricity-and-magnetism.html This works on the XO but may not work on SOAS Tony ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Spanish Translation request
The GPA school has a large spanish speaking population. We need to send a letter home to parents to get permission to collaborate with an academic study out of Pace university in NY. The school translator is very busy right now with school starting. Is there anyone who could translate this letter for me? Thanks! Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax Parent_Informed_Consent_Form_Boston.rtf Description: RTF file ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] installation problem
Dave After reserving 1GB, windows reports 1.87G total, 1.36G used, 0.526G free The log below shows attempts ranging from 1.539GB to 1.05GB In all cases it fails near the 99% point, on closer reading it was only 1.539GB that reported insufficient space. My recollection is that the on screen display said something about writing boot sector when it failed. Thanks Tony .\tools\7z.exe x C:\Users\Tony\Documents\edugames\OLPC\SOAS strawberry\soas-strawberry.iso -x![BOOT] -y -oF: 7-Zip 4.45 beta Copyright (c) 1999-2007 Igor Pavlov 2007-04-17 Processing archive: C:\Users\Tony\Documents\edugames\OLPC\SOAS strawberry\soas-strawberry.iso Extracting EFI Extracting EFI\boot Extracting EFI\boot\bootx64.conf Extracting EFI\boot\bootx64.efi Extracting EFI\boot\grub.conf Extracting EFI\boot\initrd0.img Extracting EFI\boot\isolinux.bin Extracting EFI\boot\isolinux.cfg Extracting EFI\boot\splash.jpg Extracting EFI\boot\splash.xpm.gz Extracting EFI\boot\vesamenu.c32 Extracting EFI\boot\vmlinuz0 Extracting GPL Extracting LiveOS Extracting LiveOS\livecd-iso-to-disk Extracting LiveOS\osmin.img Extracting LiveOS\squashfs.img Extracting isolinux Extracting isolinux\boot.cat Extracting isolinux\initrd0.img Extracting isolinux\isolinux.bin Extracting isolinux\isolinux.cfg Extracting isolinux\splash.jpg Extracting isolinux\vesamenu.c32 Extracting isolinux\vmlinuz0 Everything is Ok .\tools\dd.exe if=/dev/zero of=F:\LiveOS\overlay-FEDORA-E0FD-1813 count=1539 bs=1M rawwrite dd for windows version 0.5. Written by John Newbigin j...@it.swin.edu.au This program is covered by the GPL. See copying.txt for details Error writing file: 112 There is not enough space on the disk 1532+0 records in 1531+0 records out .\tools\syslinux.exe -m -a -d syslinux F: .\tools\7z.exe x C:\Users\Tony\Documents\edugames\OLPC\SOAS strawberry\soas-strawberry.iso -x![BOOT] -y -oF: 7-Zip 4.45 beta Copyright (c) 1999-2007 Igor Pavlov 2007-04-17 Processing archive: C:\Users\Tony\Documents\edugames\OLPC\SOAS strawberry\soas-strawberry.iso Extracting EFI Extracting EFI\boot Extracting EFI\boot\bootx64.conf Extracting EFI\boot\bootx64.efi Extracting EFI\boot\grub.conf Extracting EFI\boot\initrd0.img Extracting EFI\boot\isolinux.bin Extracting EFI\boot\isolinux.cfg Extracting EFI\boot\splash.jpg Extracting EFI\boot\splash.xpm.gz Extracting EFI\boot\vesamenu.c32 Extracting EFI\boot\vmlinuz0 Extracting GPL Extracting LiveOS Extracting LiveOS\livecd-iso-to-disk Extracting LiveOS\osmin.img Extracting LiveOS\squashfs.img Extracting isolinux Extracting isolinux\boot.cat Extracting isolinux\initrd0.img Extracting isolinux\isolinux.bin Extracting isolinux\isolinux.cfg Extracting isolinux\splash.jpg Extracting isolinux\vesamenu.c32 Extracting isolinux\vmlinuz0 Everything is Ok .\tools\dd.exe if=/dev/zero of=F:\LiveOS\overlay-FEDORA-E0FD-1813 count=1539 bs=1M rawwrite dd for windows version 0.5. Written by John Newbigin j...@it.swin.edu.au This program is covered by the GPL. See copying.txt for details Error writing file: 112 There is not enough space on the disk 1532+0 records in 1531+0 records out .\tools\syslinux.exe -m -a -d syslinux F: .\tools\7z.exe x C:\Users\Tony\Documents\edugames\OLPC\SOAS strawberry\soas-strawberry.iso -x![BOOT] -y -oF: 7-Zip 4.45 beta Copyright (c) 1999-2007 Igor Pavlov 2007-04-17 Processing archive: C:\Users\Tony\Documents\edugames\OLPC\SOAS strawberry\soas-strawberry.iso Extracting EFI Extracting EFI\boot Extracting EFI\boot\bootx64.conf Extracting EFI\boot\bootx64.efi Extracting EFI\boot\grub.conf Extracting EFI\boot\initrd0.img Extracting EFI\boot\isolinux.bin Extracting EFI\boot\isolinux.cfg Extracting EFI\boot\splash.jpg Extracting EFI\boot\splash.xpm.gz Extracting EFI\boot\vesamenu.c32 Extracting EFI\boot\vmlinuz0 Extracting GPL Extracting LiveOS Extracting LiveOS\livecd-iso-to-disk Extracting LiveOS\osmin.img Extracting LiveOS\squashfs.img Extracting isolinux Extracting isolinux\boot.cat Extracting isolinux\initrd0.img Extracting isolinux\isolinux.bin Extracting isolinux\isolinux.cfg Extracting isolinux\splash.jpg Extracting isolinux\vesamenu.c32 Extracting isolinux\vmlinuz0 Everything is Ok .\tools\dd.exe if=/dev/zero of=F:\LiveOS\overlay-FEDORA-E0FD-1813 count=1430 bs=1M rawwrite dd for windows version 0.5. Written by John Newbigin j...@it.swin.edu.au This program is covered by the GPL. See copying.txt for details 1430+0 records in 1430+0 records out .\tools\syslinux.exe -m -a -d syslinux F: .\tools\7z.exe x C:\Users\Tony\Documents\edugames\OLPC\SOAS strawberry\soas-strawberry.iso -x![BOOT] -y -oF: 7-Zip 4.45 beta Copyright (c) 1999-2007 Igor Pavlov 2007-04-17 Processing archive: C:\Users\Tony\Documents\edugames\OLPC\SOAS strawberry\soas-strawberry.iso Extracting EFI Extracting EFI\boot Extracting
Re: [IAEP] Spanish Translation request
Hi Caroline et all. Attached is a free translation please review it. Rafael Ortiz On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: The GPA school has a large spanish speaking population. We need to send a letter home to parents to get permission to collaborate with an academic study out of Pace university in NY. The school translator is very busy right now with school starting. Is there anyone who could translate this letter for me? Thanks! Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep Formulario de Consentimiento Informado para padres Se le ha invitado a dar su consentimiento para que su hijo participe en un estudio de tesis de doctorado de investigación conducido por Gerald Ardito, Candidato Seidenberg en la Universidad de Pace 'Escuela de Ciencias de la Computación. El estudio se llevará a cabo entre el inicio del año escolar y 31 de diciembre de 2009. Este proyecto de investigación ha sido aprobado por la Junta de Revisión Institucional de la Universidad Pace, y por el Director del Proyecto Piloto de de la Academia Gardner. Si usted tiene preguntas acerca de los derechos de su niño como un sujeto en este estudio, por favor comuníquese con el Dr. Brian Evans, de la Universidad Pace, 163 Williams Street, 11th Floor, New York, NY 10038, (212) 346-1248. El Asesor de Gerald para esta investigación es la Dra. Sandra flanco, Profesor de la Universidad Pace, Pace University, 861 Bedford Road, Pleasantville, Nueva York 10570, (914) 773-3653. Objeto del estudio: A su hijo se le está pidiendo a participar en un estudio de investigación del uso del software de azúcar (sugar) y cómo esta herramienta puede ayudar a remodelar el entorno de aprendizaje en el aula, especialmente en la promoción de la autonomía y la propiedad. ¿Cómo funciona el estudio?: Cada niño recibirá azúcar (SOAS sugar on a stick) en una memoria USB para su uso durante el año escolar y serán entrenados para utilizarlo. Sus profesores incorporaran el uso de este software en los planes de estudios y proyectos. (Esto es cierto si su hijo participa en el estudio o no. Su consentimiento significa que vamos a recoger datos sobre el uso del dispositivo por el niño). Durante el período del estudio, un conjunto de datos serán recogidos. El investigador y los profesores hablaran con los estudiantes en la escuela para hablarles de este estudio de investigación y pedir su disposición a participar en el. También pedimos que discuta este estudio con su hijo. Datos que deben recogerse: Los estudiantes serán examinados en el inicio del estudio para determinar su experiencia en el aprendizaje de diversas tecnologías. Ellos serán investigados de nuevo al final para determinar los progresos realizados. Además, durante el estudio, se llevaran a cabo observaciones en las clases, que pueden incluir audio y / o grabaciones en vídeo. Al final del estudio, una muestra de estudiantes serán entrevistados para examinar más a fondo el impacto que los dispositivos y su software puede haber tenido en su aprendizaje. Por último, vamos a examinar algunas muestras del trabajo del estudiante para ayudar en nuestra evaluación de azúcar en USB (SOAS sugar on a stick) . Riesgos previstos: No se conocen los riesgos y / o molestias asociadas con este estudio. El software azúcar se incorporara en el ambiente de aprendizaje del estudiante y en sus asignaciones. Beneficios previstos: Esta investigación será el primer proyecto para investigar directamente la función de estos dispositivos y su software en la reforma del ambiente de aprendizaje y para determinar si los estudiantes pueden desarrollar propiedad sobre su propio aprendizaje y el ambiente de la clase en sí. Al participar en este estudio, estos estudiantes y sus profesores están aumentando nuestros conocimientos sobre el uso de una tecnología única en un entorno educativo. Sus derechos, privacidad, y Bienestar Social: • La confidencialidad de los registros de la investigación de su niño será estrictamente mantenido mediante el uso de seudónimos y el almacenamiento seguro de su hijo la información personal. Sólo seudónimos aparecerá en el diario de campo del investigador y de otros registros. El nombre de su hijo aparecerá en este formulario de consentimiento. Sólo el investigador va a ver los formularios de consentimiento. Estos formularios de consentimiento se mantendrá en un gabinete cerrado, y sólo el investigador tiene una clave para este gabinete. Seudónimos se utilizará en todos los otros papeles. Usted no será identificado en los informes publicados. Todos los datos del estudio será destruido tres años después de la
Re: [IAEP] Spanish Translation request
Thank you! I have sent it on to the school for review. Big help, we want to get this document into the big pile of things parents have to sign at the beginning of the year which apparently goes out on Monday. Thanks! Caroline 2009/9/9 Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero dir...@gmail.com Hi Caroline et all. Attached is a free translation please review it. Rafael Ortiz On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: The GPA school has a large spanish speaking population. We need to send a letter home to parents to get permission to collaborate with an academic study out of Pace university in NY. The school translator is very busy right now with school starting. Is there anyone who could translate this letter for me? Thanks! Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Spanish Translation request
Glad to help ;) Rafael Ortiz On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: Thank you! I have sent it on to the school for review. Big help, we want to get this document into the big pile of things parents have to sign at the beginning of the year which apparently goes out on Monday. Thanks! Caroline 2009/9/9 Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero dir...@gmail.com Hi Caroline et all. Attached is a free translation please review it. Rafael Ortiz On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: The GPA school has a large spanish speaking population. We need to send a letter home to parents to get permission to collaborate with an academic study out of Pace university in NY. The school translator is very busy right now with school starting. Is there anyone who could translate this letter for me? Thanks! Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
