Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] SoaS For Dummies?
Caryl; I just bought a G1G1 XO-1 on e-bay for testing. * I requested and downloaded a developer key * disabled security (very important!) * installed f11-xo-1-py (fedora 11 gnome and sugar) http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os140py.img http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os140py.crc This is great software and expands the capabilities of the OLPC XO-1 that bernie has developed for the Paraguay deployment (english and spanish) In the Gnome desktop terminal program on the XO-1: su yum install liveusb-creator liveusb-creator runs using 2 USB sticks: 1-) Target USB 2GB or larger 2-) USB with Blueberry/strawberry.iso's (downloaded on another PC) DO NOT DOWNLOAD soas.iso's to the XO-1 It has too small a working solid state HD to do this. This is very similar to running a 3 stick solution on a EeePC900 The XO-1 is much slower (50min for Blueberry soas) than the EeePC900; but it makes Soas Live USB's fine. (Plus they boot on the XO-1, just leave them inserted and do a shutdown and restart.) I just did this with the soas-2-blueberry.iso and it boots on the XO-1 plus on the EeePC900. (A EeePC900 livecd-iso-to-disk script created live usb will not boot on the XO-1) This could be a nice way to demonstrate sugar and the OLPC XO-1 while it makes and runs Soas Live USB's Tom Gilliard satellit Caryl Bigenho wrote: Thanks Tom for the confirmation! I suspected it might work like that, but not being a PC person, I wasn't sure. Sounds like a piece of cake. Caryl Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:08:38 -0700 From: satel...@bendbroadband.com To: cbige...@hotmail.com CC: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; support-g...@laptop.org Subject: Re: [SoaS] SoaS For Dummies? Caryl Bigenho wrote: Hi Bert, Tom, and All, In case you are all wondering why I want to make this so easy, remember that while I am sort of a closet techie and could learn to do all these fancy work-arounds, I also have many years experience working with and training other educators who are very shy about using computers. For most of them it has to be very simple and work almost as a plug-'n-play. Even the boot-helper disk is a stretch, but I think it is doable with some very clear step-by-step instructions. It needs to be easy, and hopefully fun, with a high probability of success. Bert wrote: The iso file is a CD image. ISO is short for ISO 9660, a.k.a. CDFS (Compact Disc File System). It is a file system designed for CDs, which is read-only. So, I could save money and just use an image on a cd, but unfortunately the live CD will not boot on a MacBook. It needs a boot helper cd to run the usb stick version and there is only one optical drive on the machine. Probably about 50% of the teachers will have Macs. And, Tom suggested using Virtual Box: I really didn't want to use the Virtual Box again. I did that with an early version of Strawberry. I think the Virtual Box would be a deal breaker for a lot of teachers, whereas a usb version with the boot helper cd should be quite acceptable and easy to use. That is why I was hoping to get a usb version that could be used on both PCs and Macs. After all the advice I got from you folks, I ordered a refurbished eeePC 900 with Windows XP today. It will arrive Monday. I chose to get one with Windows XP because the Fedora Live USB Creator seems to be the easiest route to success... sort of SoaS for Dummies! So... according to the instructions at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/SoaS_Blueberry_Instructions you download the blueberry image while in the LiveUSB Creator. Rather than downloading all over again, can I just plug in one of my usb sticks with SoaS (created on the Mac) and use it? Or could I download it to the eeePC once and use it there? What would be the easiest, most fool-proof way to do this? Caryl; YOU DO NOT NEED external CD to do this: * Copy-paste the Blueberry.isofile from the SugarCreation Kit CD onto an empty USB inserted in your MAC * transfer the .iso to your EeePC900 by inserting that USB into the EeePC900 and (drag - drop/copy-paste) the .iso to the XP Desktop. * Install Liveusb-creator for Windows: (See attached .png file) https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/ * Use Liveusb-creator for windows to make a soas USB with it. * Do not do a Download again. use left select box (use existing live CD/ Browse) to find the blueberry.iso on the XP Desktop * Insert a new target USB (2GB fat16) into EeePC900 ad see it appear in Target Device window * move slider to set persistence storage (Max it ) *Create Live USB: ) Very simple You can repeat this process for as many USB sticks that you want. Tom Gilliard satellit - note: If you get a message in graphical window :... reset mbr exit the running graphical liveusb-creator and
Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] SoaS For Dummies?
I am excited about trying this. I manage a deployment of 140 XO-1's in a school in Westchester County, New York and have really wanted to upgrade our software from the official build. How do I disable security? Many thanks. Gerald On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Thomas C Gilliard satel...@bendbroadband.com wrote: Caryl; I just bought a G1G1 XO-1 on e-bay for testing. * I requested and downloaded a developer key * disabled security (very important!) * installed f11-xo-1-py (fedora 11 gnome and sugar) http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os140py.img http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os140py.crc This is great software and expands the capabilities of the OLPC XO-1 that bernie has developed for the Paraguay deployment (english and spanish) In the Gnome desktop terminal program on the XO-1: su yum install liveusb-creator liveusb-creator runs using 2 USB sticks: 1-) Target USB 2GB or larger 2-) USB with Blueberry/strawberry.iso's (downloaded on another PC) DO NOT DOWNLOAD soas.iso's to the XO-1 It has too small a working solid state HD to do this. This is very similar to running a 3 stick solution on a EeePC900 The XO-1 is much slower (50min for Blueberry soas) than the EeePC900; but it makes Soas Live USB's fine. (Plus they boot on the XO-1, just leave them inserted and do a shutdown and restart.) I just did this with the soas-2-blueberry.iso and it boots on the XO-1 plus on the EeePC900. (A EeePC900 livecd-iso-to-disk script created live usb will not boot on the XO-1) This could be a nice way to demonstrate sugar and the OLPC XO-1 while it makes and runs Soas Live USB's Tom Gilliard satellit Caryl Bigenho wrote: Thanks Tom for the confirmation! I suspected it might work like that, but not being a PC person, I wasn't sure. Sounds like a piece of cake. Caryl Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:08:38 -0700 From: satel...@bendbroadband.com To: cbige...@hotmail.com CC: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; support-g...@laptop.org Subject: Re: [SoaS] SoaS For Dummies? Caryl Bigenho wrote: Hi Bert, Tom, and All, In case you are all wondering why I want to make this so easy, remember that while I am sort of a closet techie and could learn to do all these fancy work-arounds, I also have many years experience working with and training other educators who are very shy about using computers. For most of them it has to be very simple and work almost as a plug-'n-play. Even the boot-helper disk is a stretch, but I think it is doable with some very clear step-by-step instructions. It needs to be easy, and hopefully fun, with a high probability of success. Bert wrote: The iso file is a CD image. ISO is short for ISO 9660, a.k.a. CDFS (Compact Disc File System). It is a file system designed for CDs, which is read-only. So, I could save money and just use an image on a cd, but unfortunately the live CD will not boot on a MacBook. It needs a boot helper cd to run the usb stick version and there is only one optical drive on the machine. Probably about 50% of the teachers will have Macs. And, Tom suggested using Virtual Box: I really didn't want to use the Virtual Box again. I did that with an early version of Strawberry. I think the Virtual Box would be a deal breaker for a lot of teachers, whereas a usb version with the boot helper cd should be quite acceptable and easy to use. That is why I was hoping to get a usb version that could be used on both PCs and Macs. After all the advice I got from you folks, I ordered a refurbished eeePC 900 with Windows XP today. It will arrive Monday. I chose to get one with Windows XP because the Fedora Live USB Creator seems to be the easiest route to success... sort of SoaS for Dummies! So... according to the instructions at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/SoaS_Blueberry_Instructions you download the blueberry image while in the LiveUSB Creator. Rather than downloading all over again, can I just plug in one of my usb sticks with SoaS (created on the Mac) and use it? Or could I download it to the eeePC once and use it there? What would be the easiest, most fool-proof way to do this? Caryl; YOU DO NOT NEED external CD to do this: * Copy-paste the Blueberry.isofile from the SugarCreation Kit CD onto an empty USB inserted in your MAC * transfer the .iso to your EeePC900 by inserting that USB into the EeePC900 and (drag - drop/copy-paste) the .iso to the XP Desktop. * Install Liveusb-creator for Windows: (See attached .png file) https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/ * Use Liveusb-creator for windows to make a soas USB with it. * Do not do a Download again. use left select box (use existing live CD/ Browse) to find the blueberry.iso on the XP Desktop * Insert a new target USB (2GB fat16) into EeePC900 ad see it appear
Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] SoaS For Dummies?
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: I am excited about trying this. I manage a deployment of 140 XO-1's in a school in Westchester County, New York and have really wanted to upgrade our software from the official build. How do I disable security? Check out this page: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activation_and_developer_keys#Getting_a_developer_key_for_your_running_XO_laptop You need to open Browse, click get developer key from the OLPC home page (if your build is new enough) or type file:///home/.devkey.html in the address bar. Then there are further instructions to disable security on that wiki page You need a key for every XO so this might be time consuming. Dave Many thanks. Gerald On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Thomas C Gilliard satel...@bendbroadband.com wrote: Caryl; I just bought a G1G1 XO-1 on e-bay for testing. * I requested and downloaded a developer key * disabled security (very important!) * installed f11-xo-1-py (fedora 11 gnome and sugar) http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os140py.img http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os140py.crc This is great software and expands the capabilities of the OLPC XO-1 that bernie has developed for the Paraguay deployment (english and spanish) In the Gnome desktop terminal program on the XO-1: su yum install liveusb-creator liveusb-creator runs using 2 USB sticks: 1-) Target USB 2GB or larger 2-) USB with Blueberry/strawberry.iso's (downloaded on another PC) DO NOT DOWNLOAD soas.iso's to the XO-1 It has too small a working solid state HD to do this. This is very similar to running a 3 stick solution on a EeePC900 The XO-1 is much slower (50min for Blueberry soas) than the EeePC900; but it makes Soas Live USB's fine. (Plus they boot on the XO-1, just leave them inserted and do a shutdown and restart.) I just did this with the soas-2-blueberry.iso and it boots on the XO-1 plus on the EeePC900. (A EeePC900 livecd-iso-to-disk script created live usb will not boot on the XO-1) This could be a nice way to demonstrate sugar and the OLPC XO-1 while it makes and runs Soas Live USB's Tom Gilliard satellit Caryl Bigenho wrote: Thanks Tom for the confirmation! I suspected it might work like that, but not being a PC person, I wasn't sure. Sounds like a piece of cake. Caryl Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:08:38 -0700 From: satel...@bendbroadband.com To: cbige...@hotmail.com CC: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; support-g...@laptop.org Subject: Re: [SoaS] SoaS For Dummies? Caryl Bigenho wrote: Hi Bert, Tom, and All, In case you are all wondering why I want to make this so easy, remember that while I am sort of a closet techie and could learn to do all these fancy work-arounds, I also have many years experience working with and training other educators who are very shy about using computers. For most of them it has to be very simple and work almost as a plug-'n-play. Even the boot-helper disk is a stretch, but I think it is doable with some very clear step-by-step instructions. It needs to be easy, and hopefully fun, with a high probability of success. Bert wrote: The iso file is a CD image. ISO is short for ISO 9660, a.k.a. CDFS (Compact Disc File System). It is a file system designed for CDs, which is read-only. So, I could save money and just use an image on a cd, but unfortunately the live CD will not boot on a MacBook. It needs a boot helper cd to run the usb stick version and there is only one optical drive on the machine. Probably about 50% of the teachers will have Macs. And, Tom suggested using Virtual Box: I really didn't want to use the Virtual Box again. I did that with an early version of Strawberry. I think the Virtual Box would be a deal breaker for a lot of teachers, whereas a usb version with the boot helper cd should be quite acceptable and easy to use. That is why I was hoping to get a usb version that could be used on both PCs and Macs. After all the advice I got from you folks, I ordered a refurbished eeePC 900 with Windows XP today. It will arrive Monday. I chose to get one with Windows XP because the Fedora Live USB Creator seems to be the easiest route to success... sort of SoaS for Dummies! So... according to the instructions at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/SoaS_Blueberry_Instructions you download the blueberry image while in the LiveUSB Creator. Rather than downloading all over again, can I just plug in one of my usb sticks with SoaS (created on the Mac) and use it? Or could I download it to the eeePC once and use it there? What would be the easiest, most fool-proof way to do this? Caryl; YOU DO NOT NEED external CD to do this: * Copy-paste the Blueberry.isofile from the SugarCreation Kit CD onto an empty USB inserted
Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] SoaS For Dummies?
Dave, Thanks. I will probably train my 20 Tech Team students to do this, which will empower them and help the process. Gerald On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: I am excited about trying this. I manage a deployment of 140 XO-1's in a school in Westchester County, New York and have really wanted to upgrade our software from the official build. How do I disable security? Check out this page: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activation_and_developer_keys#Getting_a_developer_key_for_your_running_XO_laptop You need to open Browse, click get developer key from the OLPC home page (if your build is new enough) or type file:///home/.devkey.html in the address bar. Then there are further instructions to disable security on that wiki page You need a key for every XO so this might be time consuming. Dave Many thanks. Gerald On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Thomas C Gilliard satel...@bendbroadband.com wrote: Caryl; I just bought a G1G1 XO-1 on e-bay for testing. * I requested and downloaded a developer key * disabled security (very important!) * installed f11-xo-1-py (fedora 11 gnome and sugar) http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os140py.img http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os140py.crc This is great software and expands the capabilities of the OLPC XO-1 that bernie has developed for the Paraguay deployment (english and spanish) In the Gnome desktop terminal program on the XO-1: su yum install liveusb-creator liveusb-creator runs using 2 USB sticks: 1-) Target USB 2GB or larger 2-) USB with Blueberry/strawberry.iso's (downloaded on another PC) DO NOT DOWNLOAD soas.iso's to the XO-1 It has too small a working solid state HD to do this. This is very similar to running a 3 stick solution on a EeePC900 The XO-1 is much slower (50min for Blueberry soas) than the EeePC900; but it makes Soas Live USB's fine. (Plus they boot on the XO-1, just leave them inserted and do a shutdown and restart.) I just did this with the soas-2-blueberry.iso and it boots on the XO-1 plus on the EeePC900. (A EeePC900 livecd-iso-to-disk script created live usb will not boot on the XO-1) This could be a nice way to demonstrate sugar and the OLPC XO-1 while it makes and runs Soas Live USB's Tom Gilliard satellit Caryl Bigenho wrote: Thanks Tom for the confirmation! I suspected it might work like that, but not being a PC person, I wasn't sure. Sounds like a piece of cake. Caryl Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:08:38 -0700 From: satel...@bendbroadband.com To: cbige...@hotmail.com CC: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; support-g...@laptop.org Subject: Re: [SoaS] SoaS For Dummies? Caryl Bigenho wrote: Hi Bert, Tom, and All, In case you are all wondering why I want to make this so easy, remember that while I am sort of a closet techie and could learn to do all these fancy work-arounds, I also have many years experience working with and training other educators who are very shy about using computers. For most of them it has to be very simple and work almost as a plug-'n-play. Even the boot-helper disk is a stretch, but I think it is doable with some very clear step-by-step instructions. It needs to be easy, and hopefully fun, with a high probability of success. Bert wrote: The iso file is a CD image. ISO is short for ISO 9660, a.k.a. CDFS (Compact Disc File System). It is a file system designed for CDs, which is read-only. So, I could save money and just use an image on a cd, but unfortunately the live CD will not boot on a MacBook. It needs a boot helper cd to run the usb stick version and there is only one optical drive on the machine. Probably about 50% of the teachers will have Macs. And, Tom suggested using Virtual Box: I really didn't want to use the Virtual Box again. I did that with an early version of Strawberry. I think the Virtual Box would be a deal breaker for a lot of teachers, whereas a usb version with the boot helper cd should be quite acceptable and easy to use. That is why I was hoping to get a usb version that could be used on both PCs and Macs. After all the advice I got from you folks, I ordered a refurbished eeePC 900 with Windows XP today. It will arrive Monday. I chose to get one with Windows XP because the Fedora Live USB Creator seems to be the easiest route to success... sort of SoaS for Dummies! So... according to the instructions at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/SoaS_Blueberry_Instructions you download the blueberry image while in the LiveUSB Creator. Rather than downloading all over again, can I just plug
Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] SoaS For Dummies?
Look at: IAEP Digest, Vol 25 Issue 23 Message #1 Plus http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1#Installation_instructions http://www.olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=4768.0 ( part copied below:) Tom Gilliard satellit April 15, 2010, 10:46:40 PM HOWTO: Install To install this awesome OS image, you will need to do several things. Step One. Get a developer key. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activation_and_developer_keys#Getting_a_developer_key_for_your_running_XO_laptop Step Two. Copy all important files to a USB stick or SD card. Step Three. On another computer, download two files onto a USB stick or SD card. Place these files in the root directory of the card. http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os140py.img http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os140py.crc Step Four. Boot your XO. Hold down Escape while booting. This is the key on the upper left of the keyboard. Step 5. You are now hopefully at an "OpenFirmware" prompt. Type in "disable-security" and press Enter. Let it do what it wants to do. Step 6. Move the SD card or USB stick with the files you downloaded into the XO. Reboot while holding down Escape, to get to another OpenFirmware prompt. Step 7. If the files were downloaded onto a USB stick: type "probe-usb", press Enter, then type "copy-nand usb:\os140py.img" and press Enter. Step 8. If the files were downloaded onto a SD card: Type "copy-nand sd:\os140py.img" and press Enter. Step 9. Reboot. Step 10. Step 11. Profit! Whoops, OLPC won't let us profit. Oh well... Step 12. Enjoy the new OS image! Dave Bauer wrote: On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: I am excited about trying this. I manage a deployment of 140 XO-1's in a school in Westchester County, New York and have really wanted to upgrade our software from the official build. How do I "disable security?" Check out this page: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activation_and_developer_keys#Getting_a_developer_key_for_your_running_XO_laptop You need to open Browse, click "get developer key" from the OLPC home page (if your build is new enough) or type file:///home/.devkey.html in the address bar. Then there are further instructions to disable security on that wiki page You need a key for every XO so this might be time consuming. Dave Many thanks. Gerald On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Thomas C Gilliard satel...@bendbroadband.com wrote: Caryl; I just bought a G1G1 XO-1 on e-bay for testing. * I requested and downloaded a developer key * disabled security (very important!) * installed f11-xo-1-py (fedora 11 gnome and sugar) http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os140py.img http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os140py.crc This is great software and expands the capabilities of the OLPC XO-1 that bernie has developed for the Paraguay deployment (english and spanish) In the Gnome desktop terminal program on the XO-1: su yum install liveusb-creator liveusb-creator runs using 2 USB sticks: 1-) Target USB 2GB or larger 2-) USB with Blueberry/strawberry.iso's (downloaded on another PC) DO NOT DOWNLOAD soas.iso's to the XO-1 It has too small a working solid state HD to do this. This is very similar to running a 3 stick solution on a EeePC900 The XO-1 is much slower (50min for Blueberry soas) than the EeePC900; but it makes Soas Live USB's fine. (Plus they boot on the XO-1, just leave them inserted and do a shutdown and restart.) I just did this with the soas-2-blueberry.iso and it boots on the XO-1 plus on the EeePC900. (A EeePC900 livecd-iso-to-disk script created live usb will not boot on the XO-1) This could be a nice way to demonstrate sugar and the OLPC XO-1 while it makes and runs Soas Live USB's Tom Gilliard satellit Caryl Bigenho wrote: Thanks Tom for the confirmation! I suspected it might work like that, but not being a PC person, I wasn't sure. Sounds like a "piece of cake." Caryl Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:08:38 -0700 From: satel...@bendbroadband.com To: cbige...@hotmail.com CC: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; support-g...@laptop.org Subject: Re: [SoaS] "SoaS For Dummies?" Caryl Bigenho wrote: Hi Bert, Tom, and All, In case you are all wondering why I want to make this so easy, remember that while I am sort of a "closet techie" and could learn to do all these fancy work-arounds, I also have many years experience working with and training other educators who are very shy about using computers. For most of them it has to be very simple and work almost as a "plug-'n-play." Even the boot-helper disk is a stretch, but I think it is doable with some very clear step-by-step instructions. It needs to be easy, and hopefully fun, with a high probability of success. Bert
[IAEP] Quake Catcher Network
Hi... Here is something intriguing I heard about on NPR yesterday. It is a Seismic Monitoring program that can run in the background on computers that have built-in accelerometers (newer Macs) or PCs with an external one with usb connection. The hope is to have a world wide network of computers sensing quakes, especially in places where there are many quakes. It is designed to be an educational project with schools involved doing citizen science (sort of like CoCoRaHS). They have interactive/educational software and seismic monitoring software. Disclaimer... I haven't tried the software yet so I can't recommend it one way or the other until I do. Does the XO have an accelerometer? No matter if it doesn't because it has usb ports to spare. Any chance of someone getting a version of the software to work on the XOs? Maybe one of our developers who knows what would have to be done to get it to work on the XO could contact the Quake Catcher Network and ask it they could do it? Here is a link to the site: http://qcn.stanford.edu/downloads/ Looks like it is based at Stanford. Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Quake Catcher Network
Caryl, I think it is wonderful you do share about this. It is always interesting to see how some idea can have unreached effects and become a wish for more I have been quite involved in seismic monitoring in my day, and to imagine personal computers could be used for that, beats everything else this week as to wishful thinking turned into vaporware, even though I spent a lot of time reading so called evaluations of ICT for education, and there was that revival of the crank... Now, if you can, and abusing a lot on your patience, please do not see what I said as a criticism to you, or that you should not share with us this kind of stuff. Actually, for someone like me it is extremely valuable to be aware of what is going on out there, and in the absence of things that make sense completely, it does help me hugely to, well, hear about this kind of things, because at some level these do reflect real dreams and desires which are perfectly true and valid, even though their put into effect is not. I guess I could go into detail, but the basic reason this cannot work is separating real seismic data from any other, from steps close to the machine, to a car rolling outside... This of course will not stop a skilled grantwriter, who would offer to prepare software that can discriminate data. However, the nearly mathematically unsolvable problem is in separating *overlapping* data, which is the real reason they forbid cellphones on planes. That is why real seismeters are set underground, as far away from human activity as possible. On 04/18/2010 05:31 PM, Caryl Bigenho wrote: Hi... Here is something intriguing I heard about on NPR yesterday. It is a Seismic Monitoring program that can run in the background on computers that have built-in accelerometers (newer Macs) or PCs with an external one with usb connection. The hope is to have a world wide network of computers sensing quakes, especially in places where there are many quakes. It is designed to be an educational project with schools involved doing citizen science (sort of like CoCoRaHS). They have interactive/educational software and seismic monitoring software. Disclaimer... I haven't tried the software yet so I can't recommend it one way or the other until I do. Does the XO have an accelerometer? No matter if it doesn't because it has usb ports to spare. Any chance of someone getting a version of the software to work on the XOs? Maybe one of our developers who knows what would have to be done to get it to work on the XO could contact the Quake Catcher Network and ask it they could do it? Here is a link to the site: http://qcn.stanford.edu/downloads/ Looks like it is based at Stanford. Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] [SLOBS] Notes SLOBS Trademark Discussion 4-12-10
Typed Copy of John Tierney written Notes of Key Points from SLOBs Trademark Discussion Monday night April 12th 2010 at OLPC Offices-Cambridge, MA. I believe I have cc'd everyone who was at meeting plus Bernie, sorry if I missed someone. (Please understand these were not minutes but personal notes, so please add comments or clarifications) Sean Daly -Tech PR -Build Brand Logo/Symbol-Meaning What Does it Stand For Values Discrimination/Exclusion-Means this, not that -Platform Ecosystem Activities -Example Adobe Labeling Program Intel Labeling Program -Which Allows for Revenue Stream From OEM Control Shaping of Brand Chris Ball -Agreement Label O.K. Revenue O.K. Smaller Set -Distribution of Code Unmodified Sugar Code Being Used By Someone-O.K. Unmodified Sugar Code with Slight Modifications-Translation, etc.-O.K. Modified Code-Must Ask -Example Ziff.org-Write Codecs GPL-Mention License Author Source Areas of Agreement on Cases where potential partner must ask for Trademark use 0. Encouraging Phrases** 1. Websites-Must Ask 2. Modified Versions-Must Ask 3. Reserved Names(Sugar on a Stick)-Must Ask 4. Logo Program-Must Ask 5. Mostly Unmodified-Must Ask **(This zero point was mentioned by Chris Ball actually last I didn't record what he might of actually titled this, this was the words I was using) A few themes I took away from the meeting are as follows: Encourage vs. Discourage Unmodified vs. Modified Logo Program-With Gradations of involvement(Possibly 3 to 4 Different Logos for Partners depending on level of involvement. Possible to have one Logo to show partners with Modified Sugar Code) My thought would be if we can focus on the Encourage and Logo Program Themes, I think it will help us come up with final wording that displays Sugar Labs as a Proactive/ Inclusive/Collaborative Partner. A suggestion to achieve this would be to: Quickly come up with the names for the labeling program along with what level of involvement and/or unmodified/modified Sugar Code that involves. We in turn need to work on Logo's but are not necessary to written copy **Sean can you post a draft outline of Labeling Program to begin discussion** With a Labeling/Logo Description in place by default those definitions will answer many of the use cases. We can then take the January 15 2010 Draft and build that language around Labeling Program with an aim to use encouraging/inclusive and clearer language. These two portions in particular seem somewhat contradictory in language after reading them and comparing them to notes and meeting discussion. Hopefully Labeling Program can absorb these two parts and allow for a clear differentiation in use cases and proper interaction with Sugar Labs to benefit the parties involved. 2a. To refer to the Sugar Labs software in substantially unmodified form substantially unmodified means built from the source code provided by the Sugar Labs project, possibly with minor modifications including but not limited to: the enabling or disabling of certain features by default, translations into other languages, changes required for compatibility with a particular operating system distribution, or the inclusion of bug-fix patches). All such minor modifications must be released under an approved license. **It seems to say you can use with some minor modifications but then says all minor modifications must be released with approved license*** 3. You may use the Sugar Labs Marks as part of the name of a product designed to work with Sugar Labs, so long as the name as a whole (via its other components) clearly and unambiguously distinguishes the product from Sugar Labs software itself, and the general presentation of the product does not imply any official association or identity with Sugar Labs. Because it would be awkward to attach a trademark symbol to a portion of a larger name whose other portions might themselves be trademarked, the requirement to display the symbol is waived for this circumstance. ***It would seem if the Sugar Labs Marks were part of the name of a product that would indicate that there is a perceived official relationship or identity to Sugar Labs which then contradicts with the next statement*** Example: If I trademark JT Linux and then sell a product JT Linux with Sugar on Board from the reading above I'm confused if I could do that or not. From the meeting my understanding is that I could. Since many of the individuals who end up redistributing Sugar may very well be of the non-technical nature(in a writing/ coding/distributing Software sense) we must try to use language that encourages them and shy away from technical/legal language that may discourage/intimidate a potential deployer of the Sugar Learning Platform. Again please fill in areas of importance that I have missed. Appreciate the Chance to Participate! John Tierney
Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Quake Catcher Network
Hi Nick, Thanks for the link to the Science For Citizens site. Sounds like most of these projects are for the US only. I wonder if there are similar projects in other countries? Some really nice lessons could be developed for students to do with their XOs with web access. Does anyone know of others? Caryl Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 20:18:15 -0400 From: ndoi...@andrew.cmu.edu To: support-g...@lists.laptop.org CC: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [support-gang] [IAEP] Quake Catcher Network The accuracy of an individual sensor, yes, is suspect. But that's why Stanford is asking for many sensors to be registered -- a thousand or laptops moving simultaneously (or in outgoing waves) could triangulate the location of an earthquake before the waves even register at the main USGS seismometers. These projects also connect the kids to science in a direct way. Most volunteer science projects are a bit more hands-on and a little less hardware-intensive. I've been interested for awhile in seeing the laptops connected to a project such as this -- see http://www.scienceforcitizens.net/ for some more examples =) Regards, Nick Doiron On Sun, April 18, 2010 8:04 pm, Yamandu Ploskonka wrote: Caryl, I think it is wonderful you do share about this. It is always interesting to see how some idea can have unreached effects and become a wish for more I have been quite involved in seismic monitoring in my day, and to imagine personal computers could be used for that, beats everything else this week as to wishful thinking turned into vaporware, even though I spent a lot of time reading so called evaluations of ICT for education, and there was that revival of the crank... Now, if you can, and abusing a lot on your patience, please do not see what I said as a criticism to you, or that you should not share with us this kind of stuff. Actually, for someone like me it is extremely valuable to be aware of what is going on out there, and in the absence of things that make sense completely, it does help me hugely to, well, hear about this kind of things, because at some level these do reflect real dreams and desires which are perfectly true and valid, even though their put into effect is not. I guess I could go into detail, but the basic reason this cannot work is separating real seismic data from any other, from steps close to the machine, to a car rolling outside... This of course will not stop a skilled grantwriter, who would offer to prepare software that can discriminate data. However, the nearly mathematically unsolvable problem is in separating *overlapping* data, which is the real reason they forbid cellphones on planes. That is why real seismeters are set underground, as far away from human activity as possible. On 04/18/2010 05:31 PM, Caryl Bigenho wrote: Hi... Here is something intriguing I heard about on NPR yesterday. It is a Seismic Monitoring program that can run in the background on computers that have built-in accelerometers (newer Macs) or PCs with an external one with usb connection. The hope is to have a world wide network of computers sensing quakes, especially in places where there are many quakes. It is designed to be an educational project with schools involved doing citizen science (sort of like CoCoRaHS). They have interactive/educational software and seismic monitoring software. Disclaimer... I haven't tried the software yet so I can't recommend it one way or the other until I do. Does the XO have an accelerometer? No matter if it doesn't because it has usb ports to spare. Any chance of someone getting a version of the software to work on the XOs? Maybe one of our developers who knows what would have to be done to get it to work on the XO could contact the Quake Catcher Network and ask it they could do it? Here is a link to the site: http://qcn.stanford.edu/downloads/ Looks like it is based at Stanford. Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ support-gang mailing list support-g...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/support-gang ___ support-gang mailing list support-g...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/support-gang ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Quake Catcher Network
Provincia San Luis in Argentina is doing an amazing project of calculating the carbon footprint of every community in the Provincia, the kids go house byhouse interviewing the families on what kind of appliances they have, number of lightbulbs, etc. Classmates running winnows, alas. Please disregard the rest of my response below - I'm into nonsense, no need to take any of that seriously, I just find it somewhat quaint I fell into that, so I'm leaving it there as to massive data gathering, something on the lines of weather projects could be fascinating, with adequate sensors. Anyway, so far we haven't even been able to figure out even what it is that kids use their computers for, which simply would require to see / spider / datamine the Journals. To assume that we will be able to have kids regularly upload information, and also somehow will we manage to get them previously the proper sensors... Now, with *adequate* data processing, having weather data moving across a locality with a couple hundred sensors *accurately* located would be terrific, especially cross referencing that with satellite data and doing it over a significant span of time. Same difficulty with anything of this kind. It's cute this was originally sold as something that would use accelerometers in computers, but, oh, it turns out you need separate sensors. I've seen a few very clever Science Fair seismic sensors, but even the cheapest ones can run beyond what is practical to consider as individual expenses. And don't forget calibrating them, etc. I would be surprised a sensor that actually can give useful information would cost less than an XO! On 04/18/2010 09:39 PM, Caryl Bigenho wrote: Hi Nick, Thanks for the link to the Science For Citizens site. Sounds like most of these projects are for the US only. I wonder if there are similar projects in other countries? Some really nice lessons could be developed for students to do with their XOs with web access. Does anyone know of others? Caryl Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 20:18:15 -0400 From: ndoi...@andrew.cmu.edu To: support-g...@lists.laptop.org CC: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [support-gang] [IAEP] Quake Catcher Network The accuracy of an individual sensor, yes, is suspect. But that's why Stanford is asking for many sensors to be registered -- a thousand or laptops moving simultaneously (or in outgoing waves) could triangulate the location of an earthquake before the waves even register at the main USGS seismometers. These projects also connect the kids to science in a direct way. Most volunteer science projects are a bit more hands-on and a little less hardware-intensive. I've been interested for awhile in seeing the laptops connected to a project such as this -- see http://www.scienceforcitizens.net/ for some more examples =) Regards, Nick Doiron On Sun, April 18, 2010 8:04 pm, Yamandu Ploskonka wrote: Caryl, I think it is wonderful you do share about this. It is always interesting to see how some idea can have unreached effects and become a wish for more I have been quite involved in seismic monitoring in my day, and to imagine personal computers could be used for that, beats everything else this week as to wishful thinking turned into vaporware, even though I spent a lot of time reading so called evaluations of ICT for education, and there was that revival of the crank... Now, if you can, and abusing a lot on your patience, please do not see what I said as a criticism to you, or that you should not share with us this kind of stuff. Actually, for someone like me it is extremely valuable to be aware of what is going on out there, and in the absence of things that make sense completely, it does help me hugely to, well, hear about this kind of things, because at some level these do reflect real dreams and desires which are perfectly true and valid, even though their put into effect is not. I guess I could go into detail, but the basic reason this cannot work is separating real seismic data from any other, from steps close to the machine, to a car rolling outside... This of course will not stop a skilled grantwriter, who would offer to prepare software that can discriminate data. However, the nearly mathematically unsolvable problem is in separating *overlapping* data, which is the real reason they forbid cellphones on planes. That is why real seismeters are set underground, as far away from human activity as possible. On 04/18/2010 05:31 PM, Caryl Bigenho wrote: Hi... Here is something intriguing I heard about on NPR yesterday. It is a Seismic Monitoring program that can run in the background on computers that have built-in accelerometers (newer Macs) or PCs with an external one with usb connection. The hope is to have a world wide network of computers sensing quakes,
