Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
--- On Wed, 9/19/12, S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org wrote: From: S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18 To: Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net Cc: James Simmons nices...@gmail.com, iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org, Sugar-dev Devel sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org, community-n...@lists.sugarlabs.org Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2012, 11:27 PM Hi Kevin, 2012/9/19 Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net: Hearing from the kids who are making Sugar activities and more contributions, I'm really wanting to know what teaching environment made this possible? Summing my case all the cases I listened about, we usually learn by our self. Thinking about why Sugar, well, we could make desktop applications, but a free and decent way to share a program is difficult to find and there's not always a community where we can share what we make. While I can't speak for Sugar Labs, this sound like a very good problems to address. Scratch has a website to 'upload' its programs. I would really love to see a way to help young sugar activity hacker have a place for them to 'hack' on their games/activities. Maybe Activities.sugarlabs.org or some website in .uy? And maybe a forum? (I'm not someone to do this sadly but would think that the very capable people around the sugar community would find this idea motivating) Also I think Sugar needs activities, unlike desktops, where practically all is already made. Just Edward suggested us to tell our stories, but at the moment I'll not get into many details and only answer your questions. Are there activity hacking classes? In Uruguay there is only one activity hacking teacher: Flavio Danesse. OH wow. I have recently started to 'hack' on JAMedia and JAMediaTube. So I know his work. I wonder if making videos of his lecture would be something he could do and the kids could watch? He is an IT teacher, and every year he organizes a workshop where he teaches volunteer students to program in Python. The group Python Joven, in English Young Python.. If you and others can make 'clubs' in your area, that would be great, maybe they can setup a web 'forum' for everyone to exchange ideas. Currently, his students contributing here are Agustin Zubiaga and Cristhofer Travieso, they told me about another student who develops applications for Android. Is this kind of experimentation part of a turtleart class? For my part I can say yes and no... When I received my XO with Sugar I liked very much TurtleArt, but the teachers don't teach it very often, I had to look for documentation. Oh, that is sad, I'm surprised to read that. Have kids 'goggled' about programming on their own time and wanted to know about programming? Now you are right, I learn practically all 'googling'. Flavio's students told me they also learn(ed) a big part of what they know searching and investigating by them self. I think it's better because we can learn what we are interested in, also if it's not related with Sugar. yes that is true. learning what you want (being an auto-didact) is powerful. Are there computer programming classes and teachers that have assignments that ask the kids to explore? Programming is not often a subject at the school. I know about optional workshops, like Flavio's. My parents are teachers, and about three-four years ago, when I was ten years old, I used to go to the highschool where my parents worked and I listened to a workshop about web design (basic HTML development) and graphic design (with GIMP). That workshop was not a way to get young programmers, but it removed me the fear of seeing a source code as something strange or made for be understood by non-human people. Yes, many people have a fear of this 'scary' stuff. It something everyone who wants to learn about programming has to face. Turtleart and Scratch was suppose to help. Cheers. ~danielf P.S: Sorry, I don't speak English very well. Thanks you very much for your answers. I think you write English very well! -Kevin aka kevix ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
Daniel and others, This thread has really inspired me. I am going to work with my students to develop Sugar activities. I have James' book. Are there other resources I need? Thanks. Gerald On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:16 AM, Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net wrote: --- On Wed, 9/19/12, S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org wrote: From: S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18 To: Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net Cc: James Simmons nices...@gmail.com, iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org, Sugar-dev Devel sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org, community-n...@lists.sugarlabs.org Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2012, 11:27 PM Hi Kevin, 2012/9/19 Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net: Hearing from the kids who are making Sugar activities and more contributions, I'm really wanting to know what teaching environment made this possible? Summing my case all the cases I listened about, we usually learn by our self. Thinking about why Sugar, well, we could make desktop applications, but a free and decent way to share a program is difficult to find and there's not always a community where we can share what we make. While I can't speak for Sugar Labs, this sound like a very good problems to address. Scratch has a website to 'upload' its programs. I would really love to see a way to help young sugar activity hacker have a place for them to 'hack' on their games/activities. Maybe Activities.sugarlabs.org or some website in .uy? And maybe a forum? (I'm not someone to do this sadly but would think that the very capable people around the sugar community would find this idea motivating) Also I think Sugar needs activities, unlike desktops, where practically all is already made. Just Edward suggested us to tell our stories, but at the moment I'll not get into many details and only answer your questions. Are there activity hacking classes? In Uruguay there is only one activity hacking teacher: Flavio Danesse. OH wow. I have recently started to 'hack' on JAMedia and JAMediaTube. So I know his work. I wonder if making videos of his lecture would be something he could do and the kids could watch? He is an IT teacher, and every year he organizes a workshop where he teaches volunteer students to program in Python. The group Python Joven, in English Young Python.. If you and others can make 'clubs' in your area, that would be great, maybe they can setup a web 'forum' for everyone to exchange ideas. Currently, his students contributing here are Agustin Zubiaga and Cristhofer Travieso, they told me about another student who develops applications for Android. Is this kind of experimentation part of a turtleart class? For my part I can say yes and no... When I received my XO with Sugar I liked very much TurtleArt, but the teachers don't teach it very often, I had to look for documentation. Oh, that is sad, I'm surprised to read that. Have kids 'goggled' about programming on their own time and wanted to know about programming? Now you are right, I learn practically all 'googling'. Flavio's students told me they also learn(ed) a big part of what they know searching and investigating by them self. I think it's better because we can learn what we are interested in, also if it's not related with Sugar. yes that is true. learning what you want (being an auto-didact) is powerful. Are there computer programming classes and teachers that have assignments that ask the kids to explore? Programming is not often a subject at the school. I know about optional workshops, like Flavio's. My parents are teachers, and about three-four years ago, when I was ten years old, I used to go to the highschool where my parents worked and I listened to a workshop about web design (basic HTML development) and graphic design (with GIMP). That workshop was not a way to get young programmers, but it removed me the fear of seeing a source code as something strange or made for be understood by non-human people. Yes, many people have a fear of this 'scary' stuff. It something everyone who wants to learn about programming has to face. Turtleart and Scratch was suppose to help. Cheers. ~danielf P.S: Sorry, I don't speak English very well. Thanks you very much for your answers. I think you write English very well! -Kevin aka kevix ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Dr. Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: Daniel and others, This thread has really inspired me. I am going to work with my students to develop Sugar activities. I have James' book. Are there other resources I need? I'd recommend using the Duplicate function in View Source. Have them make some changes to a favorite existing Sugar activity. regards. -walter Thanks. Gerald On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:16 AM, Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net wrote: --- On Wed, 9/19/12, S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org wrote: From: S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18 To: Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net Cc: James Simmons nices...@gmail.com, iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org, Sugar-dev Devel sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org, community-n...@lists.sugarlabs.org Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2012, 11:27 PM Hi Kevin, 2012/9/19 Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net: Hearing from the kids who are making Sugar activities and more contributions, I'm really wanting to know what teaching environment made this possible? Summing my case all the cases I listened about, we usually learn by our self. Thinking about why Sugar, well, we could make desktop applications, but a free and decent way to share a program is difficult to find and there's not always a community where we can share what we make. While I can't speak for Sugar Labs, this sound like a very good problems to address. Scratch has a website to 'upload' its programs. I would really love to see a way to help young sugar activity hacker have a place for them to 'hack' on their games/activities. Maybe Activities.sugarlabs.org or some website in .uy? And maybe a forum? (I'm not someone to do this sadly but would think that the very capable people around the sugar community would find this idea motivating) Also I think Sugar needs activities, unlike desktops, where practically all is already made. Just Edward suggested us to tell our stories, but at the moment I'll not get into many details and only answer your questions. Are there activity hacking classes? In Uruguay there is only one activity hacking teacher: Flavio Danesse. OH wow. I have recently started to 'hack' on JAMedia and JAMediaTube. So I know his work. I wonder if making videos of his lecture would be something he could do and the kids could watch? He is an IT teacher, and every year he organizes a workshop where he teaches volunteer students to program in Python. The group Python Joven, in English Young Python.. If you and others can make 'clubs' in your area, that would be great, maybe they can setup a web 'forum' for everyone to exchange ideas. Currently, his students contributing here are Agustin Zubiaga and Cristhofer Travieso, they told me about another student who develops applications for Android. Is this kind of experimentation part of a turtleart class? For my part I can say yes and no... When I received my XO with Sugar I liked very much TurtleArt, but the teachers don't teach it very often, I had to look for documentation. Oh, that is sad, I'm surprised to read that. Have kids 'goggled' about programming on their own time and wanted to know about programming? Now you are right, I learn practically all 'googling'. Flavio's students told me they also learn(ed) a big part of what they know searching and investigating by them self. I think it's better because we can learn what we are interested in, also if it's not related with Sugar. yes that is true. learning what you want (being an auto-didact) is powerful. Are there computer programming classes and teachers that have assignments that ask the kids to explore? Programming is not often a subject at the school. I know about optional workshops, like Flavio's. My parents are teachers, and about three-four years ago, when I was ten years old, I used to go to the highschool where my parents worked and I listened to a workshop about web design (basic HTML development) and graphic design (with GIMP). That workshop was not a way to get young programmers, but it removed me the fear of seeing a source code as something strange or made for be understood by non-human people. Yes, many people have a fear of this 'scary' stuff. It something everyone who wants to learn about programming has to face. Turtleart and Scratch was suppose to help. Cheers. ~danielf P.S: Sorry, I don't speak English very well. Thanks you very much for your answers. I think you write English very well! -Kevin aka kevix ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
Walter, Sounds good. Thanks. Gerald P.S. And congratulations on the pending new arrival. On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Dr. Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: Daniel and others, This thread has really inspired me. I am going to work with my students to develop Sugar activities. I have James' book. Are there other resources I need? I'd recommend using the Duplicate function in View Source. Have them make some changes to a favorite existing Sugar activity. regards. -walter Thanks. Gerald On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:16 AM, Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net wrote: --- On Wed, 9/19/12, S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org wrote: From: S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18 To: Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net Cc: James Simmons nices...@gmail.com, iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org, Sugar-dev Devel sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org, community-n...@lists.sugarlabs.org Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2012, 11:27 PM Hi Kevin, 2012/9/19 Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net: Hearing from the kids who are making Sugar activities and more contributions, I'm really wanting to know what teaching environment made this possible? Summing my case all the cases I listened about, we usually learn by our self. Thinking about why Sugar, well, we could make desktop applications, but a free and decent way to share a program is difficult to find and there's not always a community where we can share what we make. While I can't speak for Sugar Labs, this sound like a very good problems to address. Scratch has a website to 'upload' its programs. I would really love to see a way to help young sugar activity hacker have a place for them to 'hack' on their games/activities. Maybe Activities.sugarlabs.org or some website in .uy? And maybe a forum? (I'm not someone to do this sadly but would think that the very capable people around the sugar community would find this idea motivating) Also I think Sugar needs activities, unlike desktops, where practically all is already made. Just Edward suggested us to tell our stories, but at the moment I'll not get into many details and only answer your questions. Are there activity hacking classes? In Uruguay there is only one activity hacking teacher: Flavio Danesse. OH wow. I have recently started to 'hack' on JAMedia and JAMediaTube. So I know his work. I wonder if making videos of his lecture would be something he could do and the kids could watch? He is an IT teacher, and every year he organizes a workshop where he teaches volunteer students to program in Python. The group Python Joven, in English Young Python.. If you and others can make 'clubs' in your area, that would be great, maybe they can setup a web 'forum' for everyone to exchange ideas. Currently, his students contributing here are Agustin Zubiaga and Cristhofer Travieso, they told me about another student who develops applications for Android. Is this kind of experimentation part of a turtleart class? For my part I can say yes and no... When I received my XO with Sugar I liked very much TurtleArt, but the teachers don't teach it very often, I had to look for documentation. Oh, that is sad, I'm surprised to read that. Have kids 'goggled' about programming on their own time and wanted to know about programming? Now you are right, I learn practically all 'googling'. Flavio's students told me they also learn(ed) a big part of what they know searching and investigating by them self. I think it's better because we can learn what we are interested in, also if it's not related with Sugar. yes that is true. learning what you want (being an auto-didact) is powerful. Are there computer programming classes and teachers that have assignments that ask the kids to explore? Programming is not often a subject at the school. I know about optional workshops, like Flavio's. My parents are teachers, and about three-four years ago, when I was ten years old, I used to go to the highschool where my parents worked and I listened to a workshop about web design (basic HTML development) and graphic design (with GIMP). That workshop was not a way to get young programmers, but it removed me the fear of seeing a source code as something strange or made for be understood by non-human people. Yes, many people have a fear of this 'scary' stuff. It something everyone who wants to learn about programming has to face. Turtleart and Scratch was suppose to help. Cheers. ~danielf P.S: Sorry, I don't speak English very well. Thanks you very much for your answers. I think you write English very well! -Kevin aka kevix ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
2012/9/20 Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net: While I can't speak for Sugar Labs, this sound like a very good problems to address. Scratch has a website to 'upload' its programs. I would really love to see a way to help young sugar activity hacker have a place for them to 'hack' on their games/activities. Maybe Activities.sugarlabs.org or some website in .uy? And maybe a forum? (I'm not someone to do this sadly but would think that the very capable people around the sugar community would find this idea motivating) ASLO is a good place to upload a Sugar Activity, also in Uruguay we have a deserted website for the ceibalJAM community: http://ceibaljam.org/drupal/?q=lista_descargas CeibalJAM is an organization made for volunteers with the aim of generate educational resources looking at what is needed by the children at Uruguay. I used to write at the CeibalJAM mailing list. (Olpc-Uruguay on lists.laptop.org) OH wow. I have recently started to 'hack' on JAMedia and JAMediaTube. So I know his work. I wonder if making videos of his lecture would be something he could do and the kids could watch? He wants to do his code hackable by interested children, so he writes his programs in Spanish. It's a good way to learn, but it's not a good practice. At least he should setup i18n at JAMedia. If you and others can make 'clubs' in your area, that would be great, maybe they can setup a web 'forum' for everyone to exchange ideas. We started a public google group one time, but we are too few, and at Olpc-Uruguay we could share, ask, etc. Oh, that is sad, I'm surprised to read that. The first year when I received my XO, I had a teacher who requested as homework make some geometric forms with TA. At the next courses, the teachers preferred Scratch and Etoys because it was what they learned in their teaching courses. With the robots getting the schools, there are teachers learning TA and they liked it very much. Now at the highschool (from twelve years old to eighteen in .UY), teachers aren't formed to work with XOs, so the usage at highschools is very poor. So I'd say the expected educational implementation of OLPC and Sugar, is happening slowly at primary schools. Cheers, Daniel. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
Daniel, I did remember to try out your Activities last night. In addition to my XO I have several computers running different versions of Fedora, and that was what I used because it was a bit more convenient. I ended up using two different computers because the latest Fedora won't run Sugar File Manager. Sugar File Manager was different than I expected it to be. It actually mounts the Journal on the GNOME desktop, although GNOME can't browse it and wouldn't let me unmount it. The File Manager seems to be more of a browser than what I would think of as a file manager. It doesn't look like you can copy files into the Journal or modify or delete Journal entries. I'm intrigued by the mounting of the Journal but I wouldn't call it an *improvement* over Sugar Commander, which does let you do these things. I didn't try Agubrowser. The other stuff was without exception really impressive. I had to wonder if you adapted existing Python programs to be Sugar Activities or if you wrote the whole Activities. The Graph Plotter was especially impressive. It looks like JAMMath does need the i18n treatment, but it shouldn't be difficult. I'm wondering if you've made any use of Como Hacer Una Actividad Sugar and if so if you found it helpful. It looks like the latest Python will break all the code samples in that book so at some point it will need to be revised. Perhaps you and the others might be persuaded to contribute some chapters to the new edition. The existing book has no chapter on Sugarizing existing applications, and a chapter about Python Joven might be a nice addition too. Any contributors are eligible to get their pictures on the back cover of the printed version. James Simmons ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs service outage: Thu, Sep 20 9:30-12:30 EDT
We're back in business. Let me know if anything didn't come back online. On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 00:26 -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Tomorrow, Thursday 20 Sep 2012, between 9:30 and 12:30 eastern time, the Media Lab sysadmins will reconfigure the rack in room E15-243. During the maintenance work, the following services hosted on treehouse.sugarlabs.org may become temporarily unavailable: - git.sugarlabsa.org and all related services - chat.sugarlabs.org - jabber.sugarlabs.org - meeting.sugarlabs.org - network.sugarlabs.org - obs.sugarlabs.org - rt.sugarlabs.org - schooltool.sugarlabs.org - ns1.sugarlabs.org (primary nameserver for multiple domains) - Various services related to ole.org - Various services related to paraguayeduca.org - Various services related to treehouse.su - Others I might have missed We'll use this opportunity to rack our two new servers and prepare them for production. -- _ // Bernie Innocenti \X/ http://codewiz.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs service outage: Thu, Sep 20 9:30-12:30 EDT
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: We're back in business. Let me know if anything didn't come back online. thx -walter On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 00:26 -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Tomorrow, Thursday 20 Sep 2012, between 9:30 and 12:30 eastern time, the Media Lab sysadmins will reconfigure the rack in room E15-243. During the maintenance work, the following services hosted on treehouse.sugarlabs.org may become temporarily unavailable: - git.sugarlabsa.org and all related services - chat.sugarlabs.org - jabber.sugarlabs.org - meeting.sugarlabs.org - network.sugarlabs.org - obs.sugarlabs.org - rt.sugarlabs.org - schooltool.sugarlabs.org - ns1.sugarlabs.org (primary nameserver for multiple domains) - Various services related to ole.org - Various services related to paraguayeduca.org - Various services related to treehouse.su - Others I might have missed We'll use this opportunity to rack our two new servers and prepare them for production. -- _ // Bernie Innocenti \X/ http://codewiz.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs service outage: Thu, Sep 20 9:30-12:30 EDT
Yay! Thanks Bernie and everyone involved. You are the basis of our lab - kudos to the infra team! Simon On 09/20/2012 06:37 PM, Walter Bender wrote: On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: We're back in business. Let me know if anything didn't come back online. thx -walter On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 00:26 -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Tomorrow, Thursday 20 Sep 2012, between 9:30 and 12:30 eastern time, the Media Lab sysadmins will reconfigure the rack in room E15-243. During the maintenance work, the following services hosted on treehouse.sugarlabs.org may become temporarily unavailable: - git.sugarlabsa.org and all related services - chat.sugarlabs.org - jabber.sugarlabs.org - meeting.sugarlabs.org - network.sugarlabs.org - obs.sugarlabs.org - rt.sugarlabs.org - schooltool.sugarlabs.org - ns1.sugarlabs.org (primary nameserver for multiple domains) - Various services related to ole.org - Various services related to paraguayeduca.org - Various services related to treehouse.su - Others I might have missed We'll use this opportunity to rack our two new servers and prepare them for production. -- _ // Bernie Innocenti \X/ http://codewiz.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
2012/9/20 James Simmons nices...@gmail.com: Daniel, I did remember to try out your Activities last night. In addition to my XO I have several computers running different versions of Fedora, and that was what I used because it was a bit more convenient. I ended up using two different computers because the latest Fedora won't run Sugar File Manager. Sugar File Manager was different than I expected it to be. It actually mounts the Journal on the GNOME desktop, although GNOME can't browse it and wouldn't let me unmount it. The File Manager seems to be more of a browser than what I would think of as a file manager. It doesn't look like you can copy files into the Journal or modify or delete Journal entries. I'm intrigued by the mounting of the Journal but I wouldn't call it an *improvement* over Sugar Commander, which does let you do these things. Of course it's not an improvement, I don't feel proud of that creation. I didn't try Agubrowser. The other stuff was without exception really impressive. I had to wonder if you adapted existing Python programs to be Sugar Activities or if you wrote the whole Activities. The Graph Plotter was especially impressive. First I sugarized Lybniz Graph Plotter, and after understand all the code and see some defects I decided to create my own plotter called Graph Plotter and maintain it as myself. It looks like JAMMath does need the i18n treatment, but it shouldn't be difficult. I'm wondering if you've made any use of Como Hacer Una Actividad Sugar and if so if you found it helpful. I have a printed version (in English) of your book. I'd say it's helpful and I still read it for check about collaboration in activities. I have pending to implement it on Graph Plotter. It looks like the latest Python will break all the code samples in that book so at some point it will need to be revised. A new version of your book would be great. But we are not at the best moment, Sugar is in a transition to GTK3. I'm also developing a desktop framework which provides compatibility between Sugar and other desktops, and reduces repetitive code. I think that framework finished, would be a new better way to develop a Sugar Activity. Cheers, Daniel Francis. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
Great reply Daniel, We are proud of have you and other young hackers working in the project! Gonzalo On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 1:42 PM, S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: 2012/9/19 James Simmons nices...@gmail.com: Walter, First, congrats on the grandchild. Second, I am intrigued by the statement that 10% of Sugar Activities were written by children who grew up with Sugar. That is an incredible accomplishment, and it makes me wish that the ASLO website had a Collection of those Activities. If something like that existed I could see what kinds of Activities they were doing, how many were programs written for other environments using a Sugar wrapper, how many are purely Sugar Activities, who the developers are, what Sugar features are they using and not using, how popular the Activities are, etc. Hello James, I feel identified with what Walter described so I dare to answer. I'm from Uruguay and I'm thirteen years old. I'm one of the activity developers in transition to Sugar contributor. I don't know other young Sugar contributors outside Uruguay, so I'll tell you about the situation here. About one year ago, children made activities often as a hobbie, that activities had not a reasonable aim and they weren't very well integrated with Sugar. Some examples: Agubrowser by Agustin Zubiaga: This activity was based on webkit when Browse used python-hulahop (gecko). http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4419 Sugar File Manager by Ignacio Rodríguez and me: Based on Sugar Commander and JAMexplorer, with some improvements. http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4494 Actually, we make activities thinking in its utility, but our aim is still learn with what we do. I leave here some of the activities that make us feel proud: TerronesWeeper: A mines game for CeibalJAM!, the Uruguayan OLPC community, which is represented with a Terrón[1]. http://activities.sugarlabs.org//en-US/sugar/addon/4520 Chart: Made with help of adults and now available at the official OLPC build. http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4534 Graph Plotter: Mathematical function plotter. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Graph_Plotter JAMath: Other game for CeibalJAM. I'm not sure, but I think this activity is only available in Spanish. http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4595 Sorry if I forget other activities. Cheers, Daniel. [1] http://ceibaljam.org/drupal/?q=node/741 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] My problem with your OUI is that I can't see what problem it is solving.
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:33:33PM -0400, Chris Leonard wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:45 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I understand that I might misuse SL and better to switch my centre of development to another, more general, community. But, if it is not misusing, (b) is not valid. Dear Aleksey, Speaking for myself, I think that Sugar Labs is a well chosen name (emphasizng the Labs element). We are not the Sugar distro, we are a community dedicated to improving education through the development and distribution of software tools for learning. I believe we should welcome experimental approaches such as the work you are doing on Swwets Distribution and Sugar Network as we should welcome the work tha Activity Central does on extendign Sugar to support it's clients (and upstreaming that work to be shared by all). I made my side note because this is the second time (I mentioned) when people, who are working on research projects that are not directly related to Sugar [Learning Platform], think that SL some how tied only to Sugar and better (not direct relation is one of the reasons) to keep project home page out of, e.g. SL wiki. You have engaged with a local community (SomosAzucar), inviting input from the broader Sugar community and are working on a project that will be tested in the real world, most importantly, you are producing code and not just talk. Talk is cheap, working code is precious. Keep up the good work and the open approach you are taking, as far as I am concerned, it is most welcome under the Sugar Labs banner. Moreover, the fact of existing Sugar/XO deployments might be a major benefit SL can provide, i.e., new [general edu related] projects have a chance to spread their work among people in the field. So, new project might decide to be more involved to SL to make community of edu related software projects stronger. Sugar is about more than an OS for XO laptops, but they are our largest installed user base and an emphasis on extending and maintaining the Sugar Shell is quite sensible, but it is not (or should not be) to the exclusion of other worthy ideas and tools that contribute to our broader mission. My own transition from (1) only Sugar to (2) Apache Foundation like is based on the fact that it is hardly possible to make edu/learning [formal/informal] process based only on Sugar [Shell] (but for particular hardware vendor, e.g, OLPC, it might be natural/useful to be stuck to one software platform). And, nevertheless, it is useful to have singular access point to various edu/learning related software solutions for users and singular community (including already mentioned benefit with having a chance to easily distribute new work among users) for doers. Back to original email's (b) point, people should not be mislead about the mission of SL. -- Aleksey ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] What Sensors and Where To Buy?
Hi… OK, here I am again with another dumb question… well, maybe not so dumb after all as I'll bet there are others out there who could also use this information. On the OLPC wiki there are several very nicely illustrated instructions about how to make sensors to use with the XO… temperature, humidity, light, etc. But, they don't include a materials list or reference to sources where the parts can be purchased. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Making_XO_sensors Radio Shack? Edmond Scientific? Parallax.com? or where? Curious people, myself included want to know. Can someone help here? Thanks! Caryl (GrannieB) P.S. Here's an example of the type of info needed. This site sells a number of light sensors but they call them things like Photoresistor, Photo Transistor, Light to Frequency Converter. These are all little ones that appear similar to the one in the instructions on the wiki. How do you tell which kind you need? http://www.parallax.com/Store/Sensors/ColorLight/tabid/175/List/0/CategoryID/50/Level/a/SortField/0/Default.aspx ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] What Sensors and Where To Buy?
You can generally learn by experience, which comes from ordering the wrong ones and realising you made a mistake. ;-) I've added a few more words to some of those pages. The devices needed are usually commonly available from many sources, so I would not bother to list them, since the information would become rapidly dated and country-specific. On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 05:37:45PM -0700, Caryl Bigenho wrote: Hi? OK, here I am again with another dumb question? well, maybe not so dumb after all as I'll bet there are others out there who could also use this information. On the OLPC wiki there are several very nicely illustrated instructions about how to make sensors to use with the XO? temperature, humidity, light, etc. But, they don't include a materials list or reference to sources where the parts can be purchased. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Making_XO_sensors Radio Shack? Edmond Scientific? Parallax.com? or where? Curious people, myself included want to know. Can someone help here? Thanks! Caryl (GrannieB) P.S. Here's an example of the type of info needed. This site sells a number of light sensors but they call them things like Photoresistor, Photo Transistor, Light to Frequency Converter. These are all little ones that appear similar to the one in the instructions on the wiki. How do you tell which kind you need? http://www.parallax.com/Store/Sensors/ColorLight/tabid/175/List/0/CategoryID/50 /Level/a/SortField/0/Default.aspx ___ support-gang mailing list support-g...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/support-gang -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] What Sensors and Where To Buy?
Since I live in the same general area as you do I can help with more specific parts/vendors if you let me know which sensors you are looking to make. Pippin Wallace Bozeman On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi… OK, here I am again with another dumb question… well, maybe not so dumb after all as I'll bet there are others out there who could also use this information. On the OLPC wiki there are several very nicely illustrated instructions about how to make sensors to use with the XO… temperature, humidity, light, etc. But, they don't include a materials list or reference to sources where the parts can be purchased. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Making_XO_sensors Radio Shack? Edmond Scientific? Parallax.com? or where? Curious people, myself included want to know. Can someone help here? Thanks! Caryl (GrannieB) P.S. Here's an example of the type of info needed. This site sells a number of light sensors but they call them things like Photoresistor, Photo Transistor, Light to Frequency Converter. These are all little ones that appear similar to the one in the instructions on the wiki. How do you tell which kind you need? http://www.parallax.com/Store/Sensors/ColorLight/tabid/175/List/0/CategoryID/50/Level/a/SortField/0/Default.aspx ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] What Sensors and Where To Buy?
the problem with the let them learn by making mistakes is that they may not know *WHAT* mistake they made, and how to fix it. Random chance events need eons, billions of years, to get to an advanced civilization. Good design needs only a few millenia! The standard response to no-idea-what-went-wrong is to give up on this and take on another different pursuit - If it were not that way, we'd have more kid programmers than the handful we do, after about 2 million attempts times several years. Another example: by the merest chance, I had switched the MSP430 chips in the Launchpad experimentation board, before I tested it with the XO. This was serendipitous: last year, the Fedora version did not allow the most updated MSP430 software, so it would not have worked with the newer chip, the one that comes preinstalled in the Launchpad. Because I had switched them, I had the older chip on, that fateful day, and /things worked!!/ Otherwise, I'd have given up on the MSP430 and moved on. Why is that important? the MSP430 Launchpad is $4.30 US dollars, shipping included to anywhere in the world. It is a full fledged microcontroller experimentation board, it is shipped ready to use (includes a USB cable and an extra MCU). It works out of the box with an XO - you need to install two small software packages in the XO, but that's not so hard (and it is easier now that they fixed the Fedora repository link). With the new version we have, /all/ MSP430G work now. For those interested in building a robot brain (and many other such mechatronic projects), we have now an affordable solution, at a fraction of the cost of Arduino Co. basic install instructions (I wrote this one - need to update it!): http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/OLPC_XO-1 Buy the MSP430 Launchpad https://estore.ti.com/Product3.aspx?ProductId=2031 experimentation code examples http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/MSP430_LaunchPad_%28MSP-EXP430G2%29 launchpad msp430 projects http://www.43oh.com/ http://e2e.ti.com/group/microcontrollerprojects/m/msp430microcontrollerprojects/default.aspx?GalleryPostSort=ViewsPageIndex=1 On 09/20/2012 08:18 PM, James Cameron wrote: You can generally learn by experience, which comes from ordering the wrong ones and realising you made a mistake. ;-) I've added a few more words to some of those pages. The devices needed are usually commonly available from many sources, so I would not bother to list them, since the information would become rapidly dated and country-specific. On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 05:37:45PM -0700, Caryl Bigenho wrote: Hi? OK, here I am again with another dumb question? well, maybe not so dumb after all as I'll bet there are others out there who could also use this information. On the OLPC wiki there are several very nicely illustrated instructions about how to make sensors to use with the XO? temperature, humidity, light, etc. But, they don't include a materials list or reference to sources where the parts can be purchased. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Making_XO_sensors Radio Shack? Edmond Scientific? Parallax.com? or where? Curious people, myself included want to know. Can someone help here? Thanks! Caryl (GrannieB) P.S. Here's an example of the type of info needed. This site sells a number of light sensors but they call them things like Photoresistor, Photo Transistor, Light to Frequency Converter. These are all little ones that appear similar to the one in the instructions on the wiki. How do you tell which kind you need? http://www.parallax.com/Store/Sensors/ColorLight/tabid/175/List/0/CategoryID/50 /Level/a/SortField/0/Default.aspx ___ support-gang mailing list support-g...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/support-gang ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] What Sensors and Where To Buy?
Hi
For the thermistor I used a TDC05C247 thermistor, Specifications:
NTC (Negative Temperature Coefficient) Thermistor
Operating temperature range: -20 Celsius ~ +125 Celsius
Maximum power rating: 500mW
Nominal resistance at 25 Celsius 4.7k ohms
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/TurtleArt/Using_Turtle_Art_Sensors#Measuring_Temperature
For the photocell I used a cadmium sulphide photocell that is 'similar to
Philips ORP12'
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/TurtleArt/Using_Turtle_Art_Sensors#Light_dependant_resistor_.28LDR.29
For the magnetic sensor I used (Allegro) UGN3503UA Hall Effect Sensor
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/TurtleArt/Using_Turtle_Art_Sensors#Hall_Effect_Sensor
Tony
OK, here I am again with another dumb question� well, maybe not so dumb
after all as I'll bet there are others out there who could also use this
information. On the OLPC wiki there are several very nicely illustrated
instructions about how to make sensors to use with the XO� temperature,
humidity, light, etc. But, they don't include a materials list or reference
to sources where the parts can be purchased.
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Making_XO_sensors
Radio Shack? Edmond Scientific? Parallax.com? or where? Curious people,
myself included want to know. Can someone help here?
Thanks!
Caryl (GrannieB)
P.S. Here's an example of the type of info needed. This site sells a number
of light sensors but they call them things like Photoresistor, Photo
Transistor, Light to Frequency Converter. These are all little ones that
appear similar to the one in the instructions on the wiki. How do you tell
which kind you need?
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