Re: [IAEP] Neko Memes for Cats / Memes de Neko para Gatos

[Chris Leonard]

Most POT files are set up in English (it is the second language of
many of our translators), but there are no technical reasons why a POT
file cannot use Spanish as a base language.  Practically, that might
limit the number of languages you might get (e.g. our African
translators don't usually speak Spanish), but if your target audience
is for the native languages of the Americas, that might not be an
issue.

cjl

On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 1:01 AM, Chris Leonard  wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 12:09 AM, Laura Vargas  wrote:
>>
>> Would be nice to be able to Localize all 5 activities/games that were
>> produced in Collaboration with the Children of the Seed-Programmers
>> Workshop+SugarCamp in Chía (La ciudad de la luna ;) Colombia on 2014.
>>
>
> FLOSSManual chapter
>
> English
> http://en.flossmanuals.net/make-your-own-sugar-activities/going-international-with-pootle/
>
> Español
> http://en.flossmanuals.net/como-hacer-una-actividad-sugar/internacionalizarse-con-pootle-god-100/
>
> Internationalization (i18n) must come first, then provide a link to
> the github repo with a po folder and a POT file and wewill get it set
> up in Poolte.
>
> With the migration to github instead of git.sl.o things are more
> decentralized, but a bugs.sl.o ticket requesting L10n support is still
> a good start.  The re-establishment of automated Pootle-VCS linkages
> is coming after some rehabilitation work on Pootle (restoring missing
> activities, etc.), but in the meantime a POT file is really all that
> is needed to start collecting localization, completed po files can be
> pulled or pushed manually at request until we re-create the direct
> Pootle-VCS commit process.
>
> cjl
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Re: [IAEP] Neko Memes for Cats / Memes de Neko para Gatos

[Chris Leonard]

On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 12:09 AM, Laura Vargas  wrote:
>
> Would be nice to be able to Localize all 5 activities/games that were
> produced in Collaboration with the Children of the Seed-Programmers
> Workshop+SugarCamp in Chía (La ciudad de la luna ;) Colombia on 2014.
>

FLOSSManual chapter

English
http://en.flossmanuals.net/make-your-own-sugar-activities/going-international-with-pootle/

Español
http://en.flossmanuals.net/como-hacer-una-actividad-sugar/internacionalizarse-con-pootle-god-100/

Internationalization (i18n) must come first, then provide a link to
the github repo with a po folder and a POT file and wewill get it set
up in Poolte.

With the migration to github instead of git.sl.o things are more
decentralized, but a bugs.sl.o ticket requesting L10n support is still
a good start.  The re-establishment of automated Pootle-VCS linkages
is coming after some rehabilitation work on Pootle (restoring missing
activities, etc.), but in the meantime a POT file is really all that
is needed to start collecting localization, completed po files can be
pulled or pushed manually at request until we re-create the direct
Pootle-VCS commit process.

cjl
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Re: [IAEP] IAEP "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?

[Tony Anderson]

They are using Ubuntu 14.04 LTS. As 32-bit systems, Ubuntu Sugar is not 
available. There are possible ways around this, but I just have not had 
time to pursue them. Since it is a high school, the demand of the older 
students is more directed to Wikipedia, Open Street Maps, Khan Academy, 
PhET simulations and the like from the school server.


Tony

On 04/24/2016 12:38 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:


On 24 April 2016 at 00:00, Tony Anderson > wrote:


I have access to 3 deployments in Rwanda (120 laptops at one
school, probably 200+ at two others). I also have
access to 3 deployments in the Philippines (1 primary school with
15 XO-1.5, 1 primary school with 12 Dell core 2 duo machines using
Ubuntu Sugar, and 1 high school using 100+ Dell laptops without
Sugar but with a school server (xsce6 with content from BERNIE)).
All of these schools have a school server. I have some second hand
information about deployments in Lesotho, South Africa (Kliptown
Youth), and Tanzania (this information is stale).


Alright, that's a good start! :) I put it into the wiki here:

https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs/Contacts

For the school with 100+ Dells without Sugar, why aren't they using 
Sugar, and what are they using instead?


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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 97, Issue 75

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Dave

Everything possible.

For a simple example. If Uruguay is allowing learners to take laptops 
home; how is charging handled? In Rwanda, we discovered that
few homes had electricity. This would mean laptops taken home would be 
returned with empty batteries. The school is set up to charge the
laptops in charging racks. Charging them in class time would mean 
running power strips all over the floor of the classroom potentially 
endangering students and the laptops (dragged to the floor). In Nepal, 
wear and tear on the XOs proved too expensive so laptops now stay in the 
school. After school opportunities are a good alternative, except in 
many schools students walk several miles to and from school. This means 
they can not stay back for after school activities. In schools with two 
shifts there would lots of time for 'before' or 'after' school 
activities. However, the schools do not have classroom space beyond for 
the active classes.


Every deployment I have encountered is different, information about them 
would be invaluable and would give us an opportunity to provide more 
effective support. I think the first priority is to find the deployments 
and identify a contact who could provide us with good current information.


Tony

On 04/24/2016 12:21 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:


On 23 April 2016 at 23:45, Tony Anderson > wrote:


I really wish we had more information on where and how XOs are
used in the field


What information do you think we should find out?


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Re: [IAEP] IAEP "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?

[Dave Crossland]

On 24 April 2016 at 00:00, Tony Anderson  wrote:

> I have access to 3 deployments in Rwanda (120 laptops at one school,
> probably 200+ at two others). I also have
> access to 3 deployments in the Philippines (1 primary school with 15
> XO-1.5, 1 primary school with 12 Dell core 2 duo machines using Ubuntu
> Sugar, and 1 high school using 100+ Dell laptops without Sugar but with a
> school server (xsce6 with content from BERNIE)). All of these schools have
> a school server. I have some second hand information about deployments in
> Lesotho, South Africa (Kliptown Youth), and Tanzania (this information is
> stale).
>

Alright, that's a good start! :) I put it into the wiki here:

https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs/Contacts

For the school with 100+ Dells without Sugar, why aren't they using Sugar,
and what are they using instead?
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Re: [IAEP] Neko Memes for Cats / Memes de Neko para Gatos

[Laura Vargas]

If anyone is interested in playing/testing, here the links for download of
the other 4;

http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4744

http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4753

http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4737

http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4741

2016-04-24 12:21 GMT+08:00 Dave Crossland :

>
> On 24 April 2016 at 00:09, Laura Vargas  wrote:
>
>> Would be nice to be able to Localize all 5 activities/games that were
>> produced in Collaboration with the Children of the Seed-Programmers
>> Workshop+SugarCamp in Chía (La ciudad de la luna ;) Colombia on 2014.
>>
>
> Added to https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vision_proposal_2016
>



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Re: [IAEP] Neko Memes for Cats / Memes de Neko para Gatos

[Dave Crossland]

On 24 April 2016 at 00:09, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> Would be nice to be able to Localize all 5 activities/games that were
> produced in Collaboration with the Children of the Seed-Programmers
> Workshop+SugarCamp in Chía (La ciudad de la luna ;) Colombia on 2014.
>

Added to https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vision_proposal_2016
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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 97, Issue 75

[Dave Crossland]

On 23 April 2016 at 23:45, Tony Anderson  wrote:

> I really wish we had more information on where and how XOs are used in the
> field


What information do you think we should find out?
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Re: [IAEP] Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

On 24 April 2016 at 00:04, Chris Leonard  wrote:

> OLPC does share a table of the SKUs manufactured that contains some
> information about where they are going.
>
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Manufacturing_data
>
> Far from perfect for your purpose, but is is a start.
>

AWESOME :D


> Are you talking about a driver on the XO-4 or something
>

Yes, I'm referring to software required to make the hardware work.
Distinguishing between firmware, drivers, operating systems, libraries,
programs, and scripts doesn't seem important to me when considering the
question of if a program is libre licensed or not.


> IANAL, so I'm not touching "Sugar isn't actually GPL", but if there are
> serious concerns about our licensing, please document them so others can
> look into it.
>

No concern at all! Just a statement of fact - as I understand it. Which is
that Sugar is LGPL, and OLPC made Sugar LGPL to allow proprietary Sugar
Activities. Is this incorrect?

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Re: [IAEP] Neko Memes for Cats / Memes de Neko para Gatos

[Laura Vargas]

El 14 de abril de 2016, 8:27, Chris Leonard 
escribió:

> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 7:18 PM, Laura Vargas 
> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > All feedback with pure love welcome! May be worth to translate.
> > Toda la retroalimentación con amor puro es bienvenida! Valdría la pena
> > traducirla.
> >
>
>
> Localization is welcome.
> La localización es bienvenido
>


Would be nice to be able to Localize all 5 activities/games that were
produced in Collaboration with the Children of the Seed-Programmers
Workshop+SugarCamp in Chía (La ciudad de la luna ;) Colombia on 2014.

Blessings!






> cjl
>



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Re: [IAEP] Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?

[Samuel Greenfeld]

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 11:14 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> Free and Open Source: It seems that the XO-4 contains more proprietary
> software than the XO-1; and since Sugar isn't actually GPL, it seems Sugar
> Labs only has a preference for this.
>

The core Sugar programs are licensed GPLv2 or later, while the core Sugar
"toolkit" libraries are licensed LGPLv2 or later.  There was discussion
about moving everything to GPLv3 on this mailing list in April 2011.  But
as far as I know the license was not changed.

The XO-1.75 & XO-4 used accelerated video drivers which may be proprietary
and were not upstreamed.  But alternative drivers for these chipsets now
exist which potentially could be modified to work on XOs.  These did not
exist at the time said XOs were first released.


On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 12:04 AM, Chris Leonard 
wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 11:14 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
> > Well, does Sugar Labs have a table listing each user community
> > ("deployment") and a person in each community who Sugar Labs can talk
> with?
> >
> > If not, let's make such a table :)
> >
> > It isn't clear to me where these 3 million XOs went... I heard that OLPC
> > didn't and won't make an easy to access list of all deployments available
> > because they are scared about other companies taking away their
> customers.
> > There seems to be enough published information to piece something like
> that
> > together, though.
>
> OLPC does share a table of the SKUs manufactured that contains some
> information about where they are going.
>
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Manufacturing_data
>
> Far from perfect for your purpose, but is is a start.
>
> >
> > Free and Open Source: It seems that the XO-4 contains more proprietary
> > software than the XO-1; and since Sugar isn't actually GPL, it seems
> Sugar
> > Labs only has a preference for this.
> >>
>
> Are you talking about a driver on the XO-4 or something, details would
> be useful in assessing this statement.  IANAL, so I'm not touching
> "Sugar isn't actually GPL", but if there are serious concerns about
> our licensing, please document them so others can look into it.
>
> cjl
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Re: [IAEP] Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?

[Chris Leonard]

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 11:14 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> Well, does Sugar Labs have a table listing each user community
> ("deployment") and a person in each community who Sugar Labs can talk with?
>
> If not, let's make such a table :)
>
> It isn't clear to me where these 3 million XOs went... I heard that OLPC
> didn't and won't make an easy to access list of all deployments available
> because they are scared about other companies taking away their customers.
> There seems to be enough published information to piece something like that
> together, though.

OLPC does share a table of the SKUs manufactured that contains some
information about where they are going.

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Manufacturing_data

Far from perfect for your purpose, but is is a start.

>
> Free and Open Source: It seems that the XO-4 contains more proprietary
> software than the XO-1; and since Sugar isn't actually GPL, it seems Sugar
> Labs only has a preference for this.
>>

Are you talking about a driver on the XO-4 or something, details would
be useful in assessing this statement.  IANAL, so I'm not touching
"Sugar isn't actually GPL", but if there are serious concerns about
our licensing, please document them so others can look into it.

cjl
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Re: [IAEP] IAEP "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?

[Tony Anderson]

Dave,

This is exactly what we need. It will take a lot of work but the value 
would make it very worthwhile.


I believe Adam Holt and the support-gang have the most information.

I have access to 3 deployments in Rwanda (120 laptops at one school, 
probably 200+ at two others). I also have
access to 3 deployments in the Philippines (1 primary school with 15 
XO-1.5, 1 primary school with 12 Dell core 2 duo machines using Ubuntu 
Sugar, and 1 high school using 100+ Dell laptops without Sugar but with 
a school server (xsce6 with content from BERNIE)). All of these schools 
have a school server. I have some second hand information about 
deployments in Lesotho, South Africa (Kliptown Youth), and Tanzania 
(this information is stale).


Tony



On 04/24/2016 11:15 AM, iaep-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org wrote:

Well, does Sugar Labs have a table listing each user community
("deployment") and a person in each community who Sugar Labs can talk with?

If not, let's make such a table:)


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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 97, Issue 75

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Caryl

Of course, you are right. I really wish we had more information on where 
and how XOs are used in the field. All I know is the experience of the

small number of deployments I am supporting.

Tony

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Hi Dave,
At the risk of sounding like someone on snopes or politifact, that is "mostly 
true."  However, even though it is in the classroom, it may not be during regular 
class time. Sometimes it will be after school in a science club or robotics club. Other 
times students might be working together on some kind of media projects using the Sugar 
Software, etc. The possibilities are almost limitedless.
In Uruguay, where there are many more XOs than any other country, the students 
are allowed to take their machines home. They may be using them at home to 
complete a special assignment or conduct some simple scientific research. 
Sometimes they might also be sharing it with parents or grandparents, teaching 
them how to use it.
But, yes, most are probably being used at the school, even if it may not be 
during regular class time.
Caryl

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Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 15:27:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?
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Hi
Okay cool.
Laura, I agree about the importance of Spanish.

My next question:
Does anyone disagree with the assertion that "most Sugar use is in a 
school/classroom setting"?
Cheers
Dave
    
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Conversely it's possible much/most Sugar use is now happening outside of
classes (and outside of classrooms too!) in homes/libraries/cybercafes/etc
at last?  At this late stage in OLPC's history, and not just in Uruguay?

Is Uruguay actively using Sugar in 2016 and if so how?  Who can tell
urban/rural/young/old perspectives across Uruguay/Rwanda/etc in 2016?

Certainly I keep running into more and more XO laptops that have moved far
beyond their originally-stated scholastic purposes...is it time for
"Child/Tween/Millenial Ownership" action at long at last?!

http <http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Five_principles>://
<http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Five_principles>wiki.laptop.org
<http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Five_principles>/go/OLPC:Five_principles
<http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Five_principles>

Where are the true community anthropologists like Morgan Ames (and Margaret
Mead) when we need them?!
Hi Dave,

At the risk of sounding like someone on snopes or politifact, that is
"mostly true."  However, even though it is in the classroom, it may not be
during regular class time. Sometimes it will be after school in a science
club or robotics club. Other times students might be working together on
some kind of media projects using the Sugar Software, etc. The
possibilities are almost limitedless.

In Uruguay, where ther

Re: [IAEP] Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?

[Dave Crossland]

Hi!

On 23 April 2016 at 22:18, Adam Holt  wrote:

> Conversely it's possible much/most Sugar use is now happening outside of
> classes (and outside of classrooms too!)
>
Sure, its possible. Do you think its probable?

> in homes/libraries/cybercafes/etc at last?
>
Homes suggests "Child Ownership," and like schools, racking up many hours
of usage; while libraries and cybercafes suggest to me racking up a few
hours of gaming.

> At this late stage in OLPC's history, and not just in Uruguay? Is Uruguay
> actively using Sugar in 2016 and if so how?  Who can tell
> urban/rural/young/old perspectives across Uruguay/Rwanda/etc in 2016?
>
Well, does Sugar Labs have a table listing each user community
("deployment") and a person in each community who Sugar Labs can talk with?

If not, let's make such a table :)

It isn't clear to me where these 3 million XOs went... I heard that OLPC
didn't and won't make an easy to access list of all deployments available
because they are scared about other companies taking away their customers.
There seems to be enough published information to piece something like that
together, though.

>
Certainly I keep running into more and more XO laptops that have moved far
> beyond their originally-stated scholastic purposes...is it time for
> "Child/Tween/Millenial Ownership" action at long at last?!
>
> http ://
> wiki.laptop.org
> /go/OLPC:Five_principles
> 
>
Please could you clarify what you mean by "action" there?

I understand those 5 principles were written some 10-12 years ago. I am not
sure how much they are related to Sugar in 2016, or to the actual actions
of OLPC itself over that period; it seems they quickly became OLCP's
preferences.

Child Ownership: It seems that most XO laptops were bought by schools and
did not become 'owned' by the children using them, with some exceptions.
Since Sugar Labs doesn't sell laptops, this is no longer relevant; and
while I think SL should sell pre-installed laptops, I can't see how this
could be a principle going forwards in recognition of
schools/libraries/cybercafes/etc.

Low Ages: It seems that XOs did become used by children aged 6 to 12. The
keyboards are too small for anyone older ;) And Sugar's UX does seem to
work for kids in this age range.

Saturation: That wiki page offers levels of "a country, a region, a
municipality or a village." Even with this caveat, I have no idea to what
extend this is common in active deployments today; seems we need the table
I describe above :) Since laptops/desktops are no longer the only form of
computer that kids use, and indeed, probably now the minority form, then
Sugar seems unlikely to have saturation even in a community where every kid
has an XO.

Connection: We have just been talking about how communities without
effective internet access may be helpful to focus on, reversing this
principle; although I think www.outernet.is provides a powerful solution to
this which wasn't available until recently.

Free and Open Source: It seems that the XO-4 contains more proprietary
software than the XO-1; and since Sugar isn't actually GPL, it seems Sugar
Labs only has a preference for this.

> Where are the true community anthropologists like Morgan Ames (and
> Margaret Mead) when we need them?!
>
Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves :D Making the table above is some
effort. Starting simply, who reading this email is actually in touch with
say a group of 10 or more kids with XOs?

Cheers
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Re: [IAEP] Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?

[Adam Holt]

Conversely it's possible much/most Sugar use is now happening outside of
classes (and outside of classrooms too!) in homes/libraries/cybercafes/etc
at last?  At this late stage in OLPC's history, and not just in Uruguay?

Is Uruguay actively using Sugar in 2016 and if so how?  Who can tell
urban/rural/young/old perspectives across Uruguay/Rwanda/etc in 2016?

Certainly I keep running into more and more XO laptops that have moved far
beyond their originally-stated scholastic purposes...is it time for
"Child/Tween/Millenial Ownership" action at long at last?!

http ://
wiki.laptop.org
/go/OLPC:Five_principles


Where are the true community anthropologists like Morgan Ames (and Margaret
Mead) when we need them?!
Hi Dave,

At the risk of sounding like someone on snopes or politifact, that is
"mostly true."  However, even though it is in the classroom, it may not be
during regular class time. Sometimes it will be after school in a science
club or robotics club. Other times students might be working together on
some kind of media projects using the Sugar Software, etc. The
possibilities are almost limitedless.

In Uruguay, where there are many more XOs than any other country, the
students are allowed to take their machines home. They may be using them at
home to complete a special assignment or conduct some simple scientific
research. Sometimes they might also be sharing it with parents or
grandparents, teaching them how to use it.

But, yes, most are probably being used at the school, even if it may not be
during regular class time.

Caryl

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From: d...@lab6.com
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 15:27:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?
To: sdaly...@gmail.com
CC: la...@somosazucar.org; cbige...@hotmail.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org

Hi

Okay cool.

Laura, I agree about the importance of Spanish.

My next question:

Does anyone disagree with the assertion that "most Sugar use is in a
school/classroom setting"?

Cheers
Dave


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Re: [IAEP] Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

Okay cool.

Laura, I agree about the importance of Spanish.

My next question:

Does anyone disagree with the assertion that "most Sugar use is in a
school/classroom setting"?

Cheers
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Re: [IAEP] 2015 SocialHelp Survey?

[Dave Crossland]

Hi Sam!

On 23 April 2016 at 00:45, Sam Parkinson  wrote:

>
> I'm no longer afk.  I have collated the results into the attached
> spreedsheet.
>
> Previously, I also wrote up an analysis of the results.  It is also
> attached.
>

Awesome!! I uploaded the files to the wiki and added them to the
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team page

For me the *Pain Points* and *Important Features *sections were very
interesting! Thanks for putting this together!! :D

You proposed 3 *Major Takeaways:*

Users do not understand the design patterns in Sugar. This was signalled
through two methods. Firstly, users prioritised a tour or explanation as an
important feature. Secondly, users expressed confusion with the interface
and frame.


I agree, a tour would be a great activity. When I purchased a new XO-1 in
2007 and a new XO-4 this year, it came with a little printed leaflet with
some basics; and I think there is an assumption that the UI is discoverable
by kids if they have unrestricted free time to play and explore it. However
I haven't seen any UX-study-style testing of this assumption.

https://turtle.sugarlabs.org has a welcome tour. Can something like that be
done with PyGTK3?

Developer and deployers have differing opinions compared to students and
teachers; eg. reducing Journal clutter is significantly more popular with
developers and deployers than with students and educators.


That's interesting! I wonder if students/educators work around journal
clutter, or if they don't consider it to be cluttered at all. Which
deployments can we ask about this?

The most important features to the Sugar community are Browse activity, the
Journal and Turtle Blocks. These are closely followed by Write activity,
Collaboration, the Terminal and the Sugar style design.


I see that none of these are in the top 20 on
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/browse/type:1/cat:all?sort=popular


I can see how Browse is the most important activity for people who can be
online to take the survey... for deployments without effective internet
access, I wonder if that is still the case.

Cheers
Dave
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Re: [IAEP] Features wishlist from 2007

[Dave Crossland]

On 22 April 2016 at 20:31, Tony Anderson  wrote:

> This is central to the 'vision'. In my 'vision', the goal is to promote
> Sugar in the consumer world as an effective learning resource for learners
> who
> do not have access to computers or the internet (live on the wrong side of
> the digital divide).
>

I agree, I already put this in the
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vision_proposal_2016 and have now made it
more prominent.


> There are many commercial and non-profit organizations which are trying to
> show a snappy interface attractive to parents of children used to Android
> or the iPhone. Sugar can easily become one choice among many - where most
> have far more resources than we do.
>
> I think we have an opportunity to work to the original concept of olpc -
> using Sugar to attract sponsors for deployments at schools or other
> community institutions in the two-thirds of the world that does not have
> effective access to the internet.
>

Yep, I think this is wise positioning.


> The problem with jazzing up the interface with 'gradients, transparency,
> shadows, and stuff' is that it demands more system resources without a
> clearly commensurate value to the learning experience.
>

I think for at least another 5 years, Sugar must continue to be workable on
the XO-1; and work on all XO laptops in the hidpi grey-scale screen mode.

I don't think this precludes 'gradients, transparency, shadows, and stuff'
but it means careful profiling of performance impact and careful visual
design.
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Re: [IAEP] Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?

[Sean DALY]

Agree with the above statements
Sean


On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 1:04 AM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

>
> Hi Dave,
>
> Another statistical relevant statement to test in the community, is that
> 2/3 of Sugar users are Spanish speakers.
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> 2016-04-23 6:56 GMT+08:00 Caryl Bigenho :
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> I think that is still probably very true. But, it needs to change. And,
>> that is why I advocate greater support for Sugarizer so it can be used on
>> almost any screen anywhere in the world.
>>
>> Caryl
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone on the way to LinuxFestNW
>>
>> > On Apr 22, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > Does anyone disagree with the assertion that "most Sugar users are
>> using XO laptops"?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Cheers
>> > Dave
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