Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] (Goals and Mission) with Microsoft in it?

2017-05-12 Thread James Cameron 
Composite reply to several posts, in context, see below;

Samson wrote:
> I think we should really join the trend so that we can get more
> people using Sugar for Learning.  So what are your thought on this
> development?

I don't think it will work, as we don't have developers interested in
it.  If you're interested in it and are happy to commit fully without
relying on others, go for it.  But don't expect other resources to get
involved; as the argument from numbers is not compelling enough.

There are more learning tools available for Windows.

But the numbers are not the only reason why our customers choose
Linux.

Sebastian wrote:
> Sugar barely runs [...]

Yes, you're right.

> committed releasing Sugar every six months [...] we have no release
> schedule.

Yes, you're right.

A new release of Sugar with the bug fixes since 0.110 would help solve
the "barely runs" problem.

(also a release of the critical activities, not just the core;
newcomers to our community should note the term Sucrose has been in
our Taxonomy for many years, see the Wiki if you don't know what it
means.)

https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Taxonomy
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Glossary

> I don't see Sugar Labs organization as capable of strategically
> funding Sugar development in any direction. Of course, volunteers
> can work in whatever they like, if it fits their principles.

I agree, and that's the basis of my engagement; subject to also
stabilising Sugar for OLPC OS on Fedora 18 and Ubuntu 16.04 for
delivery to OLPC customers; as a custom system with all obvious (to
me) bugs fixed.

Sugar Labs is heavily benefiting from my work for OLPC, and OLPC is
benefiting from other volunteers at Sugar Labs.

Dave wrote:
> codebase could be returned to OLPC

No thanks.  Where would the Sugar Labs volunteers go who are focused
on this codebase?

OLPC already maintains a fork with the fixes, and the changes that
Sugar Labs has not accepted.  All fixes have been pushed back to Sugar
Labs, but there has been no release, hence the exceedingly low quality
of the Fedora, Debian and Ubuntu experience at the moment.

OLPC fork version numbers are like 0.110.0.olpc.12

> Sugar Labs could focus on the JS Sugarizer codebase.

Sugarizer isn't integrated into Sugar Labs; the repositories are
split, cooperation is minimal, and the code for activities isn't
portable to execution environments other than Sugarizer; such as
sugar-web-activity.

So I'm certainly not inclined to support any activity development on
Sugarizer; because that development won't pay back for OLPC.

I'm probably going to have to port the Moon activity from GTK+ 2 to
GTK+ 3 unless someone can make the JavaScript version work on desktop.
;-)  I did get half way through.

Zeeshan Khan also has the task for GsoC, so we might do it together.

I'd like to hear from Ignacio, Sam Parkinson and Abhijit what they
think of the port of Moon vs the JavaScript port; it may be simpler to
port the JavaScript version back to Sugar.

Samuel Cantero wrote:
> We should work to find out a new release manager [...]

Ignacio is the release manager at the moment, but my guess is that
he'd welcome someone else taking the job.  Hopefully he'll speak up.

Dave wrote:
> Do those xo run the latest release?

For mass deployment in Paraguay, they can run Sugar 0.110 plus all bug
fixes from OLPC by using our 13.2.8 as-is or by using it as basis of
custom build.

For individuals in Paraguay, they might run "yum update" to get Sugar
0.110 plus fixes, unless there's some problem with clock, proxy, or
yum.repos.d induced by environment of my bugs.

Samuel Cantero wrote:
> we're going to try to build a new ASLO in GSoC which must ease
> activities management, for both image builders and developers.

Please also consider Sugar Network, which Sebastian knows about, and
is used heavily, judging by the hit counts on the Sugar Labs servers.
Laura recently asked asking Sugar Labs for assistance with Sugar
Network and bringing a new deployment onto it may be helpful.

German wrote:
> At Dominican Republic, ~750 XO are running latest version of Sugar.

Good to get such positive feedback!  ;-)

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] (Goals and Mission) with Microsoft in it?

2017-05-12 Thread German 
At Dominican Republic, ~750 XO are running latest version of Sugar.

On May 12, 2017 1:25 PM, "Dave Crossland"  wrote:

Do those xo run the latest release?

On May 12, 2017 1:01 PM, "Samuel Cantero"  wrote:

> I'm not agree. In Paraguay, kids are still using a lot the python codebase
> and I guess we're not the only one. We should work to find out a new
> release manager if Sam P can't make it anymore.
>
> Certainly there are many things to improve, but we shall overcome. I don't
> think solution is to discard all XOs schools have around here.
>
> Regards,
>
> Sam C.
>
> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>> It seems to me that the classic Sugar python codebase could be returned
>> to Quozl / OLPC, and Sugar Labs could focus on the JS Sugarizer codebase.
>>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] (Goals and Mission) with Microsoft in it?

2017-05-12 Thread Dave Crossland 
Cool :)

I'm excited about the GSOC projects!! :)

On 12 May 2017 at 13:42, Samuel Cantero  wrote:

> No yet. But I know they are working to upgrade it ASAP. Hopefully they
> will end that soon.
>
> Aside from that, we're going to try to build a new ASLO in GSoC which must
> ease activities management, for both image builders and developers. I will
> be helping on that.
>
> On May 12, 2017 1:25 PM, "Dave Crossland"  wrote:
>
>> Do those xo run the latest release?
>>
>> On May 12, 2017 1:01 PM, "Samuel Cantero"  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not agree. In Paraguay, kids are still using a lot the python
>>> codebase and I guess we're not the only one. We should work to find out a
>>> new release manager if Sam P can't make it anymore.
>>>
>>> Certainly there are many things to improve, but we shall overcome. I
>>> don't think solution is to discard all XOs schools have around here.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Sam C.
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>>>
 It seems to me that the classic Sugar python codebase could be returned
 to Quozl / OLPC, and Sugar Labs could focus on the JS Sugarizer codebase.

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] (Goals and Mission) with Microsoft in it?

2017-05-12 Thread Samuel Cantero 
No yet. But I know they are working to upgrade it ASAP. Hopefully they will
end that soon.

Aside from that, we're going to try to build a new ASLO in GSoC which must
ease activities management, for both image builders and developers. I will
be helping on that.

On May 12, 2017 1:25 PM, "Dave Crossland"  wrote:

> Do those xo run the latest release?
>
> On May 12, 2017 1:01 PM, "Samuel Cantero"  wrote:
>
>> I'm not agree. In Paraguay, kids are still using a lot the python
>> codebase and I guess we're not the only one. We should work to find out a
>> new release manager if Sam P can't make it anymore.
>>
>> Certainly there are many things to improve, but we shall overcome. I
>> don't think solution is to discard all XOs schools have around here.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Sam C.
>>
>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>>
>>> It seems to me that the classic Sugar python codebase could be returned
>>> to Quozl / OLPC, and Sugar Labs could focus on the JS Sugarizer codebase.
>>>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] (Goals and Mission) with Microsoft in it?

2017-05-12 Thread Dave Crossland 
Do those xo run the latest release?

On May 12, 2017 1:01 PM, "Samuel Cantero"  wrote:

> I'm not agree. In Paraguay, kids are still using a lot the python codebase
> and I guess we're not the only one. We should work to find out a new
> release manager if Sam P can't make it anymore.
>
> Certainly there are many things to improve, but we shall overcome. I don't
> think solution is to discard all XOs schools have around here.
>
> Regards,
>
> Sam C.
>
> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>> It seems to me that the classic Sugar python codebase could be returned
>> to Quozl / OLPC, and Sugar Labs could focus on the JS Sugarizer codebase.
>>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] (Goals and Mission) with Microsoft in it?

2017-05-12 Thread Samuel Cantero 
I'm not agree. In Paraguay, kids are still using a lot the python codebase
and I guess we're not the only one. We should work to find out a new
release manager if Sam P can't make it anymore.

Certainly there are many things to improve, but we shall overcome. I don't
think solution is to discard all XOs schools have around here.

Regards,

Sam C.

On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> It seems to me that the classic Sugar python codebase could be returned to
> Quozl / OLPC, and Sugar Labs could focus on the JS Sugarizer codebase.
>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] (Goals and Mission) with Microsoft in it?

2017-05-12 Thread Dave Crossland 
It seems to me that the classic Sugar python codebase could be returned to
Quozl / OLPC, and Sugar Labs could focus on the JS Sugarizer codebase.
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] (Goals and Mission) with Microsoft in it?

2017-05-12 Thread Sebastian Silva 
Hi Samson,

Sugar barely runs on modern GNU/Linux, as it is stuck depending on old,
unsupported libraries (e.g. Collaboration is broken, TamTam doesn't
run). Important bugs go unnoticed (Browse 200 didn't launch for months
with a trivial unreported bug).

Sugar Labs is committed to releasing Sugar every six months
.
The wiki home page says Sam Parkinson is our release manager, but the
page was last updated in July 2016, and I don't think this is the case
anymore (but it's not known). We have no release schedule
. and a question about it
recently went without answer.

I don't see Sugar Labs organization as capable of strategically funding
Sugar development in any direction. Of course, volunteers can work in
whatever they like, if it fits their principles.

Regards,

Sebastian



On 12/05/17 08:35, Samson Goddy wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I  was surfing the internet, and i saw some interesting articles
> concerning Microsoft partnership with some linux distros like Fedora,
> Ubuntu and Suse. The whole deal is to make Fedora, Ubuntu and Suse
> available in the windows store. Meaning you can now run Ubuntu, Fedora
> and Suse like an application without worrying to get a virtual box. 
>
>  I also think that Sugar Labs can also use this as an advantage to
> port Sugar as an application in the new windows 10S. These will really
> go along for this organization and more especially reaching more users
> in the MS world, because MS is making sure schools uses windows as an
> E-learning tool. So i think we should put this project as a goal for
> Sugar Labs, like we did with Raspberry Pi. I think we should really
> join the trend so that we can get more people using Sugar for Learning. 
>
> So what are your thought on this development?
>
> [1]
> https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/5/11/15625320/ubuntu-suse-linux-fedora-windows-store-microsoft-build-2017
> [2] https://fossbytes.com/ubuntu-linux-in-windows-store/
>
>
> BR
> Samson G
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[IAEP] (Goals and Mission) with Microsoft in it?

2017-05-12 Thread Samson Goddy 
Hello all,

I  was surfing the internet, and i saw some interesting articles concerning
Microsoft partnership with some linux distros like Fedora, Ubuntu and Suse.
The whole deal is to make Fedora, Ubuntu and Suse available in the windows
store. Meaning you can now run Ubuntu, Fedora and Suse like an application
without worrying to get a virtual box.

 I also think that Sugar Labs can also use this as an advantage to port
Sugar as an application in the new windows 10S. These will really go along
for this organization and more especially reaching more users in the MS
world, because MS is making sure schools uses windows as an E-learning
tool. So i think we should put this project as a goal for Sugar Labs, like
we did with Raspberry Pi. I think we should really join the trend so that
we can get more people using Sugar for Learning.

So what are your thought on this development?

[1]
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/5/11/15625320/ubuntu-suse-linux-fedora-windows-store-microsoft-build-2017
[2] https://fossbytes.com/ubuntu-linux-in-windows-store/


BR
Samson G
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