Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

[Hilary Naylor]

dear all,
   Samson is now sponsored for the up-front expenses of his trip to GSoC in
the amount of $700. His actual expenses are closer to $900 if anyone wants
to co-sponsor. I understand that SFC is going to reimburse me around $630
because that is the amount they allocated for local travel expenses.

kind regards,
Hilary
---
Hilary Naylor
OLPC-SF

---fwd---
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 09:10:50 -0400
From: Adam Holt 
To: Lionel Laske 
Cc: iaep ,  Sugar-dev Devel
,  "OLPC para usuarios, docentes,
voluntarios y administradores" , SLOBs
, Tabitha Roder 
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San
Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan.

But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a dangerous
precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.

As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such
matters.

I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 personal loan he
in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.

*It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend for life in
Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward accomplishing truly incredible
things in his life.*
---
Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
www.a2zed.us
Oakland CA
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

[James Cameron]

I'm also very disappointed.

I don't see a conflict of interest because of friendship; a board can
always pay members of the board for costs if they choose, even by an
advance if necessary.  If friendship created a conflict of interest,
board members could never be friends.

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 04:01:07PM +0100, Samson Goddy wrote:
> 
> I am want to say that i am very very disappointed of what this community is
> turning into. I am certainly confuse of how some decisions are been made for
> reasons that are not just worth it.  
> 
> I remember asking for $2K+ as to support i and Ibiam's travel to the scratch
> conference that would benefit the community. It was obviously refused for
> reasons that make me laugh sometimes. We debated about it and then decided to
> cost ibiam out the conference and reducing the support to $500. With all the
> arguments, i eventually didn't prepare very well for the schengen visa and i
> got rejected with no time to appeal because of the confusion from Sugar Labs
> board. I lost over $600 from my personal funds trying to get Sugar Labs 
> stories
> and project down to bordeaux. Because i believe that is the responsibility as 
> a
> member of this community. 
> 
> Can someone remind me again what is the "Mission and Vision" statement of 
> Sugar
> Labs?
> 
> Now, i was chosen based on the work i put into by helping as a mentor on the
> new website to attend the mentor summit which i believe Google is paying for
> not Sugar Labs, which has been over 6 years now. Not attending the summit
> create a bad name from Sugar Labs because pay you to attend. Now this motion 
> is
> delayed because 3 in favour, 1 not-in-favour, 2 abstain confirmed.
> 
>  I need to book appointment for an interview this week and it takes up to (15
> working days) for the US embassy to approve the appointment and according to
> Google i need to have a visa on or before 5th of September.
> 
> So i am asking politely, if the community is not comfortable with me going to
> the mentor summit in SFO, i will appreciate if i will be told today or
> tomorrow. So that i can stop working on my DS-160 form and so that someone can
> go instead of me, especially if that person will be needing a visa. Because i
> don't buy or understand this excuses. 
> 
> I am very open minded, i don't get angry alot but i hate politics.
> 
> Samson 
> 
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Laura Vargas <[1]la...@somosazucar.org> 
> wrote:
> 
> 2017-08-13 8:44 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <[2]walter.ben...@gmail.com>:
>
> Really???
> 
> I have to agree with Samson here. What is the existential risk here?
> How does the risk of a travel advance to a well established community
> member (and oversight board member) for a trip sponsored by a reliable
> funding source with whom we have been working for years represent some
> "dangerous precedent"? Regarding your suggestion that we loan the 
> money
> as individuals, the fact that I out almost $2K for money I have loaned
> to community members for travel advances...
> 
> For everyone's reference, I believe here it is imperative to clear that:
> 
> Sugar labs board has never approved or endorse any personal loans among
> members. This practice would potentially produce long-term distortions in 
> democratic decision making.
>
> Regards
> 
> Laura V
> 
> makes me much more wary of that approach. It seemingly introduces an
> additional layer of confusion that makes travel reimbursement all the
> more mired within the opaque operations of our parent org.
>
> -walter
>
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Samson Goddy 
> <[3]samsongo...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
> 
> Thank you Adam for the wonderful reply.
> 
> On Aug 13, 2017 2:10 PM, "Adam Holt" <[4]h...@laptop.org> wrote:
> 
> Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go
> to San Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a
> personal loan.
> 
> But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is
> a dangerous precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.
> 
> As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from 
> all
> such matters.
> 
> A quick question.. I am trying to undertsand some comments on this
> motion. 
> 
> I believe this is not the first time Google is giving money to
> Sugar Labs and i am pretty sure i am not the first person from
> Sugar Labs to attend GSOC summit.
> 
> Why is this an issue, for SL to approve so SFC can give me travel
> advance? 
> 
> Dont Google pay for the travels? 
> 
> Why i am asking these questions is because i haven't seen such
>  comments on previous travels 

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

[Samson Goddy]

I am want to say that i am *very very* disappointed of what this community
is turning into. I am certainly confuse of how some decisions are been made
for reasons that are not just worth it.

I remember asking for $2K+ as to support i and Ibiam's travel to the
scratch conference that would *benefit* the community. It was obviously
refused for reasons that make me laugh sometimes. We debated about it and
then decided to cost ibiam out the conference and reducing the support to
$500. With all the arguments, i eventually didn't prepare very well for the
schengen visa and i got rejected with no time to appeal because of the
confusion from Sugar Labs board. I lost over $600 from my personal funds
trying to get Sugar Labs stories and project down to bordeaux. Because i
believe that is the responsibility as a member of this community.

Can someone remind me again what is the "*Mission and Vision*" statement of
Sugar Labs?

Now, i was chosen based on the work i put into by helping as a mentor on
the new website to attend the mentor summit which i believe Google is
paying for not Sugar Labs, which has been over 6 years now. *Not *attending
the summit create a bad name from Sugar Labs because pay you to attend. Now
this motion is delayed because 3 in favour, 1 not-in-favour, 2 abstain
confirmed.

 I need to book appointment for an interview this week and it takes up to
(15 working days) for the US embassy to approve the appointment and
according to Google i need to have a visa on or before 5th of September.

So i am asking politely, *if* the community is not comfortable with me
going to the mentor summit in SFO, i will appreciate if i will be told
today or tomorrow. So that i can stop working on my DS-160 form and so that
someone can go instead of me, especially if that person will be needing a
visa. Because i don't buy or understand this excuses.

I am very open minded, i don't get angry alot but i hate *politics.*

Samson

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

>
>
> 2017-08-13 8:44 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender :
>
>> Really???
>>
>> I have to agree with Samson here. What is the existential risk here? How
>> does the risk of a travel advance to a well established community member
>> (and oversight board member) for a trip sponsored by a reliable funding
>> source with whom we have been working for years represent some "dangerous
>> precedent"? Regarding your suggestion that we loan the money as
>> individuals, the fact that I out almost $2K for money I have loaned to
>> community members for travel advances...
>>
>
>
> For everyone's reference, I believe here it is imperative to clear that:
>
> *Sugar labs board has never approved or endorse any personal loans among
> members. This practice would potentially produce long-term distortions in 
> **democratic
> decision making.*
>
> Regards
>
> Laura V
>
> makes me much more wary of that approach. It seemingly introduces an
>> additional layer of confusion that makes travel reimbursement all the more
>> mired within the opaque operations of our parent org.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Samson Goddy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Adam for the wonderful reply.
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2017 2:10 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San
>>> Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan.
>>>
>>> But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a
>>> dangerous precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.
>>>
>>> As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such
>>> matters.
>>>
>>> A quick question.. I am trying to undertsand some comments on this
>>> motion.
>>>
>>> I believe this is not the first time Google is giving money to Sugar
>>> Labs and i am pretty sure i am not the first person from Sugar Labs to
>>> attend GSOC summit.
>>>
>>> Why is this an issue, for SL to approve so SFC can give me travel
>>> advance?
>>>
>>> Dont Google pay for the travels?
>>>
>>> Why i am asking these questions is because i haven't seen such  comments
>>> on previous travels and i certainly dont understand why it is happening
>>> now, at least eating up time when i should be scheduling for interview with
>>> the US embassy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 personal loan
>>> he in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.
>>>
>>> *It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend for life
>>> in Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward accomplishing truly
>>> incredible things in his life.*
>>>
>>> Thanks for this note.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2017 2:54 AM, "Lionel Laské"  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Because Adam is our Financial contact, I would like to hear from him
>>> before voting.
>>> In the meantime my vote could be considering as "Abstain".
>>>
>>>  Lionel.
>>>
>>>
>>> 

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

[Laura Vargas]

2017-08-13 8:44 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender :

> Really???
>
> I have to agree with Samson here. What is the existential risk here? How
> does the risk of a travel advance to a well established community member
> (and oversight board member) for a trip sponsored by a reliable funding
> source with whom we have been working for years represent some "dangerous
> precedent"? Regarding your suggestion that we loan the money as
> individuals, the fact that I out almost $2K for money I have loaned to
> community members for travel advances...
>


For everyone's reference, I believe here it is imperative to clear that:

*Sugar labs board has never approved or endorse any personal loans among
members. This practice would potentially produce long-term distortions
in **democratic
decision making.*

Regards

Laura V

makes me much more wary of that approach. It seemingly introduces an
> additional layer of confusion that makes travel reimbursement all the more
> mired within the opaque operations of our parent org.
>
> -walter
>
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Samson Goddy 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Adam for the wonderful reply.
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2017 2:10 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:
>>
>> Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San
>> Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan.
>>
>> But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a
>> dangerous precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.
>>
>> As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such
>> matters.
>>
>> A quick question.. I am trying to undertsand some comments on this
>> motion.
>>
>> I believe this is not the first time Google is giving money to Sugar Labs
>> and i am pretty sure i am not the first person from Sugar Labs to attend
>> GSOC summit.
>>
>> Why is this an issue, for SL to approve so SFC can give me travel
>> advance?
>>
>> Dont Google pay for the travels?
>>
>> Why i am asking these questions is because i haven't seen such  comments
>> on previous travels and i certainly dont understand why it is happening
>> now, at least eating up time when i should be scheduling for interview with
>> the US embassy.
>>
>>
>>
>> I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 personal loan
>> he in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.
>>
>> *It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend for life
>> in Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward accomplishing truly
>> incredible things in his life.*
>>
>> Thanks for this note.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2017 2:54 AM, "Lionel Laské"  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Because Adam is our Financial contact, I would like to hear from him
>> before voting.
>> In the meantime my vote could be considering as "Abstain".
>>
>>  Lionel.
>>
>>
>> 2017-08-12 15:27 GMT-07:00 Tabitha Roder :
>>
>>> I think Sugar Labs should approve the $US 627.05 travel advance for
>>> Samson Goddy.
>>> Tabitha
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 11, 2017 8:44 AM, "Walter Bender" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence,
 so please respond ASAP.

 Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative
 to the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel
 advance to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including
 wire fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel
 advance. (As additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in
 travel expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our
 other representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would
 be available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will
 be negligible.

 regards.

 -walter


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
 account...@sfconservancy.org>
 Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
 Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance
 for Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
 To: su...@sfconservancy.org
 Cc: Martin Michlmayr , Samson Goddy <
 samsongo...@gmail.com>


 Sugar Labs PLC,  please urgently page down to the all caps section
 below.

 Samson,

 Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
 > it has been 5 days, i already made request to su...@sfconservancy.org
 for
 > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the
 embassy to
 > accept appointment for interview.
 >
 > I haven't heard anything from both parties.

 Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
 approve the expense.  I don't know why they haven't replied.

 SUGAR LABS 

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

[Walter Bender]

Really???

I have to agree with Samson here. What is the existential risk here? How
does the risk of a travel advance to a well established community member
(and oversight board member) for a trip sponsored by a reliable funding
source with whom we have been working for years represent some "dangerous
precedent"? Regarding your suggestion that we loan the money as
individuals, the fact that I out almost $2K for money I have loaned to
community members for travel advances makes me much more wary of that
approach. It seemingly introduces an additional layer of confusion that
makes travel reimbursement all the more mired within the opaque operations
of our parent org.

-walter

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Samson Goddy  wrote:

> Thank you Adam for the wonderful reply.
>
> On Aug 13, 2017 2:10 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:
>
> Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San
> Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan.
>
> But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a dangerous
> precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.
>
> As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such
> matters.
>
> A quick question.. I am trying to undertsand some comments on this motion.
>
> I believe this is not the first time Google is giving money to Sugar Labs
> and i am pretty sure i am not the first person from Sugar Labs to attend
> GSOC summit.
>
> Why is this an issue, for SL to approve so SFC can give me travel advance?
>
> Dont Google pay for the travels?
>
> Why i am asking these questions is because i haven't seen such  comments
> on previous travels and i certainly dont understand why it is happening
> now, at least eating up time when i should be scheduling for interview with
> the US embassy.
>
>
>
> I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 personal loan
> he in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.
>
> *It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend for life
> in Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward accomplishing truly
> incredible things in his life.*
>
> Thanks for this note.
>
>
>
> On Aug 13, 2017 2:54 AM, "Lionel Laské"  wrote:
>
>
> Because Adam is our Financial contact, I would like to hear from him
> before voting.
> In the meantime my vote could be considering as "Abstain".
>
>  Lionel.
>
>
> 2017-08-12 15:27 GMT-07:00 Tabitha Roder :
>
>> I think Sugar Labs should approve the $US 627.05 travel advance for
>> Samson Goddy.
>> Tabitha
>>
>>
>> On Aug 11, 2017 8:44 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
>>
>>> I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence,
>>> so please respond ASAP.
>>>
>>> Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative to
>>> the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel advance
>>> to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including wire
>>> fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel advance. (As
>>> additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in travel
>>> expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our other
>>> representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would be
>>> available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will be
>>> negligible.
>>>
>>> regards.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
>>> account...@sfconservancy.org>
>>> Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
>>> Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance
>>> for Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
>>> To: su...@sfconservancy.org
>>> Cc: Martin Michlmayr , Samson Goddy <
>>> samsongo...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sugar Labs PLC,  please urgently page down to the all caps section below.
>>>
>>> Samson,
>>>
>>> Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
>>> > it has been 5 days, i already made request to su...@sfconservancy.org
>>> for
>>> > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the embassy
>>> to
>>> > accept appointment for interview.
>>> >
>>> > I haven't heard anything from both parties.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
>>> approve the expense.  I don't know why they haven't replied.
>>>
>>> SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:
>>>
>>>   FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY
>>> ASKS
>>>   FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
>>>   2017).  The totals are as follows:
>>>
>>>   If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU)
>>>
>>>   If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to be
>>> wired.
>>>wire fees
>>>
>>> If Sugar Labs PLC 

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

[Samson Goddy]

Thank you Adam for the wonderful reply.

On Aug 13, 2017 2:10 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:

Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San
Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan.

But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a dangerous
precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.

As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such
matters.

A quick question.. I am trying to undertsand some comments on this motion.

I believe this is not the first time Google is giving money to Sugar Labs
and i am pretty sure i am not the first person from Sugar Labs to attend
GSOC summit.

Why is this an issue, for SL to approve so SFC can give me travel advance?

Dont Google pay for the travels?

Why i am asking these questions is because i haven't seen such  comments on
previous travels and i certainly dont understand why it is happening now,
at least eating up time when i should be scheduling for interview with the
US embassy.



I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 personal loan he
in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.

*It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend for life in
Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward accomplishing truly incredible
things in his life.*

Thanks for this note.



On Aug 13, 2017 2:54 AM, "Lionel Laské"  wrote:


Because Adam is our Financial contact, I would like to hear from him before
voting.
In the meantime my vote could be considering as "Abstain".

 Lionel.


2017-08-12 15:27 GMT-07:00 Tabitha Roder :

> I think Sugar Labs should approve the $US 627.05 travel advance for
> Samson Goddy.
> Tabitha
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2017 8:44 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
>
>> I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence, so
>> please respond ASAP.
>>
>> Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative to
>> the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel advance
>> to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including wire
>> fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel advance. (As
>> additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in travel
>> expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our other
>> representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would be
>> available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will be
>> negligible.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
>> account...@sfconservancy.org>
>> Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
>> Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance
>> for Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
>> To: su...@sfconservancy.org
>> Cc: Martin Michlmayr , Samson Goddy <
>> samsongo...@gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Sugar Labs PLC,  please urgently page down to the all caps section below.
>>
>> Samson,
>>
>> Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
>> > it has been 5 days, i already made request to su...@sfconservancy.org
>> for
>> > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the embassy
>> to
>> > accept appointment for interview.
>> >
>> > I haven't heard anything from both parties.
>>
>> Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
>> approve the expense.  I don't know why they haven't replied.
>>
>> SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:
>>
>>   FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY
>> ASKS
>>   FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
>>   2017).  The totals are as follows:
>>
>>   If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU)
>>
>>   If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to be
>> wired.
>>wire fees
>>
>> If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before Sunday night US/Eastern, we
>> can likely process a payment by wire on Monday.
>>
>>
>> We don't typically use Western Union, and it would be substantial effort
>> for
>> us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the additional wire fees as
>> it will make payment more rapid for Samson and easier for Conservancy.
>>
>> Samson, your request was a bit ramble-y, so if I gleaned the wrong totals
>> above, please correct them.
>>
>> Samson, in preparation for Sugar Labs PLC hopefully approving this
>> request,
>> could you let me know if the wire instructions I used for you before are
>> still correct, and if not, send me new ones?
>>
>> --
>> Bradley M. Kuhn
>> Distinguished Technologist of Software Freedom Conservancy
>>  |--> & also, de-facto Bookkeeper for the moment
>> Pls support Conservancy!: https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Walter Bender
>> 

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

[Adam Holt]

Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San
Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan.

But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a dangerous
precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.

As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such
matters.

I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 personal loan he
in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.

*It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend for life in
Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward accomplishing truly incredible
things in his life.*


On Aug 13, 2017 2:54 AM, "Lionel Laské"  wrote:


Because Adam is our Financial contact, I would like to hear from him before
voting.
In the meantime my vote could be considering as "Abstain".

 Lionel.


2017-08-12 15:27 GMT-07:00 Tabitha Roder :

> I think Sugar Labs should approve the $US 627.05 travel advance for
> Samson Goddy.
> Tabitha
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2017 8:44 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
>
>> I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence, so
>> please respond ASAP.
>>
>> Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative to
>> the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel advance
>> to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including wire
>> fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel advance. (As
>> additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in travel
>> expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our other
>> representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would be
>> available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will be
>> negligible.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
>> account...@sfconservancy.org>
>> Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
>> Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance
>> for Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
>> To: su...@sfconservancy.org
>> Cc: Martin Michlmayr , Samson Goddy <
>> samsongo...@gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Sugar Labs PLC,  please urgently page down to the all caps section below.
>>
>> Samson,
>>
>> Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
>> > it has been 5 days, i already made request to su...@sfconservancy.org
>> for
>> > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the embassy
>> to
>> > accept appointment for interview.
>> >
>> > I haven't heard anything from both parties.
>>
>> Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
>> approve the expense.  I don't know why they haven't replied.
>>
>> SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:
>>
>>   FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY
>> ASKS
>>   FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
>>   2017).  The totals are as follows:
>>
>>   If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU)
>>
>>   If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to be
>> wired.
>>wire fees
>>
>> If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before Sunday night US/Eastern, we
>> can likely process a payment by wire on Monday.
>>
>>
>> We don't typically use Western Union, and it would be substantial effort
>> for
>> us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the additional wire fees as
>> it will make payment more rapid for Samson and easier for Conservancy.
>>
>> Samson, your request was a bit ramble-y, so if I gleaned the wrong totals
>> above, please correct them.
>>
>> Samson, in preparation for Sugar Labs PLC hopefully approving this
>> request,
>> could you let me know if the wire instructions I used for you before are
>> still correct, and if not, send me new ones?
>>
>> --
>> Bradley M. Kuhn
>> Distinguished Technologist of Software Freedom Conservancy
>>  |--> & also, de-facto Bookkeeper for the moment
>> Pls support Conservancy!: https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Sugar Labs
>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>> 
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Re: [IAEP] Motion 2017-08-10: Sugar Labs Financial Manager to have a monthly compensation

[Laura Vargas]

re
Hi Sammer,


I'm sorry I don't understand the reason why you have lost interest on
keeping finances published up to date?

>From the minutes of the original motion (proposed by Walter during the
meeting and the texts were prepared by Adam, Tony and Caryl),* it was you
who seconded the original Financial Manager Motion. Please re-read the
meeting log.
*


During the meeting Adam expresses:

"In the short term, I am willing to do the job for free if appointed.
Longer-term I believe we need a paid professional."



Regards

Laura V


2017-08-12 8:51 GMT-05:00 Sameer Verma :

> -1.
>
> This is a knee jerk reaction to a symptom. I'm not sure how it will solve
> any ongoing issues effectively.
>
> Sameer
>
> On Aug 10, 2017 8:35 AM, "Laura Vargas"  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi SLOB's and members all,
>>
>> I think we should learn from experience and start compensating doing all
>> this work for Sugar Lab's Organization [keeping track of communications and
>> transactions with the Software Freedom Conservancy].
>>
>>
>> Motion: *Sugar Labs Financial Manager will have a monthly compensation
>> of US$ TBD* in exchange for:
>> 1 complete financial report per quarter and it's publication on the Sugar
>> Labs Finance Wiki page maximum 30 calendar days after the end of the
>> period. The format to be used should be compatible with the
>> International Financial Reporting Standards* or it's equivalent in the
>> U.S..
>>
>> *see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Financial_Report
>> ing_Standards
>>
>>
>> To approve the proposed motion simplifies the July, 2016 SLOB's
>> motion/decision ,
>> assigns a monthly compensation for the Financial Manager and above all, 
>> *assures
>> community has timely access to reports*.
>>
>>
>> I hope another SLOB can second the motion in order to start voting.
>> Suggestions to define the value are also welcome from all, specially from
>> Adam :D
>>
>> Below I pasted some extracts from background emailing about the subject
>> in case anyone interested in reading.
>>
>>
>> Regards and blessings,
>>
>> Laura V
>>
>>
>> 2017-08-05 19:31 GMT-05:00 Caryl Bigenho :
>>
>>> Hi All...
>>>
>>>
>>> There was (and still seems to be) a lot of confusion regarding the topic
>>> of a treasurer's report. I think the main problem is that most of you are
>>> thinking of the SugarLabs "Books" (a big ledger will all the personal
>>> identifying information Adam was referring to) instead of a simple
>>> "Treasurers  Report" which just includes the pertinent information without
>>> all the identifying details. The former, the "books," should be available
>>> to the SLOBs on request on a view only basis as mentioned elsewhere in this
>>> thread. The latter, the Treasurer's Report, should be available to all
>>> Sugar Labs members and other interested parties as appropriate.
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe it is all the years I have spent in many types of organizations
>>> (4H, Girl Scouts, homeowner's organizations, teacher's orgs, Sierra Club
>>> groups, etc.) that make this seem very familiar, simple, and
>>> straightforward. Hopefully the information below can help make it work well
>>> for Sugar Labs as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> A quick Google search turns up this list of criteria for a simple
>>> monthly treasurer's report. It says it should include:
>>>
>>>1. the name of the organization.
>>>2. the period which the report covers.
>>>3. the cash balance at the beginning of the period.
>>>4. the income received during the period (with sources)
>>>5. the expenses paid during the period (with what it was for and who
>>>was paid ... name only, no PII).
>>>6. the cash balance at the end of the period.
>>>7. the signature of the treasurer.
>>>
>>> Another easy to follow resource is this description of how to put such a
>>> report together: https://www.energizeinc.com/art/treasurers-report
>>>
>>> (Note: the sample they refer to in this is missing... you have to buy
>>> the book to see it!).
>>>
>>>
>>> Yesterday's financial report was very confusing and seeing Adam's email
>>> just seemed to make it worse. Maybe going forward we can simplify and we
>>> all will know what is happening. Oh, and by the way, there is no need to
>>> make the Income negative and the Expenses positive. This is for us, not the
>>> SFC.
>>>
>>>
>>> Caryl
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From:* IAEP  on behalf of Tony
>>> Anderson 
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 5, 2017 1:07:55 AM
>>> *To:* SLOBs; IAEP SugarLabs
>>> *Subject:* [IAEP] Meeting August 4, 2017
>>>
>>>
>>> I am amazed at the discussion on finance.
>>>
>>> The governing bylaw is at https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/
>>> Oversight_Board/Decisions July 1, 2016.
>>> Oversight Board/Decisions - Sugar Labs
>>> 

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

[Lionel Laské]

Because Adam is our Financial contact, I would like to hear from him before
voting.
In the meantime my vote could be considering as "Abstain".

 Lionel.


2017-08-12 15:27 GMT-07:00 Tabitha Roder :

> I think Sugar Labs should approve the $US 627.05 travel advance for
> Samson Goddy.
> Tabitha
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2017 8:44 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
>
>> I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence, so
>> please respond ASAP.
>>
>> Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative to
>> the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel advance
>> to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including wire
>> fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel advance. (As
>> additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in travel
>> expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our other
>> representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would be
>> available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will be
>> negligible.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
>> account...@sfconservancy.org>
>> Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
>> Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance
>> for Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
>> To: su...@sfconservancy.org
>> Cc: Martin Michlmayr , Samson Goddy <
>> samsongo...@gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Sugar Labs PLC,  please urgently page down to the all caps section below.
>>
>> Samson,
>>
>> Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
>> > it has been 5 days, i already made request to su...@sfconservancy.org
>> for
>> > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the embassy
>> to
>> > accept appointment for interview.
>> >
>> > I haven't heard anything from both parties.
>>
>> Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
>> approve the expense.  I don't know why they haven't replied.
>>
>> SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:
>>
>>   FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY
>> ASKS
>>   FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
>>   2017).  The totals are as follows:
>>
>>   If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU)
>>
>>   If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to be
>> wired.
>>wire fees
>>
>> If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before Sunday night US/Eastern, we
>> can likely process a payment by wire on Monday.
>>
>>
>> We don't typically use Western Union, and it would be substantial effort
>> for
>> us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the additional wire fees as
>> it will make payment more rapid for Samson and easier for Conservancy.
>>
>> Samson, your request was a bit ramble-y, so if I gleaned the wrong totals
>> above, please correct them.
>>
>> Samson, in preparation for Sugar Labs PLC hopefully approving this
>> request,
>> could you let me know if the wire instructions I used for you before are
>> still correct, and if not, send me new ones?
>>
>> --
>> Bradley M. Kuhn
>> Distinguished Technologist of Software Freedom Conservancy
>>  |--> & also, de-facto Bookkeeper for the moment
>> Pls support Conservancy!: https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Walter Bender
>> Sugar Labs
>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>> 
>>
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