Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Urgent Motion: To add three contributors into the membership/election committee

[James Cameron]

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 09:41:13PM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote:
> ...
> > The motion is controversial as it is a personal closed selection of
> > candidates.
> 
> Sure, it was controversial, that much is clear, but you must accept
> that the motion was agreed, and now you must do these things;
> 
> James,
> 
> As I feel "forced" to accept new members I have no motivation to
> perform all the tasks you list.

Don't feel forced.  I cannot force you.

> Samson and Ignacio will have to do the work derived from their
> decision. I'll be sharing all with Community directly.
> 
> I thank Lionel as he has been the only gentleman in the Board to
> stand to his principles and underline decisions can not be "forced"
> upon anyone.
> 
> Motivation is all on a volunteer driven community.

Indeed.  I'm demotivated.  I'm fearful that an underlying reason why
you won't do some of what I've listed is that you can't.

There may be no minutes of prior meetings, and thus there may be no
prior decisions, combined with no intention to meet in future.

But I'll see what others say, in the hope that I'm wrong.

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Urgent Motion: To add three contributors into the membership/election committee

[Walter Bender]

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 10:41 PM, Laura Vargas 
wrote:

> ...
>> > The motion is controversial as it is a personal closed selection of
>> > candidates.
>>
>> Sure, it was controversial, that much is clear, but you must accept
>> that the motion was agreed, and now you must do these things;
>>
>
> James,
>
> As I feel "forced" to accept new members I have no motivation to perform
> all the tasks you list.
>
> Samson and Ignacio will have to do the work derived from their decision.
> I'll be sharing all with Community directly.
>
> *I thank Lionel as he has been the only gentleman in the Board to stand to
> his principles and underline decisions can not be "forced" upon anyone.*
>
Not sure to what you are referring. Can you please clarify?

>
> Motivation is all on a volunteer driven community.
>
>
> --
> Laura V.
> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>
> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
> ~ L. Victoria
>
> Happy Learning!
> #LearningByDoing
> #Projects4good
> #IDesignATSugarLabs
> #WeCanDoBetter
>



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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Urgent Motion: To add three contributors into the membership/election committee

[Laura Vargas]

>
> ...
> > The motion is controversial as it is a personal closed selection of
> > candidates.
>
> Sure, it was controversial, that much is clear, but you must accept
> that the motion was agreed, and now you must do these things;
>

James,

As I feel "forced" to accept new members I have no motivation to perform
all the tasks you list.

Samson and Ignacio will have to do the work derived from their decision.
I'll be sharing all with Community directly.

*I thank Lionel as he has been the only gentleman in the Board to stand to
his principles and underline decisions can not be "forced" upon anyone.*

Motivation is all on a volunteer driven community.


-- 
Laura V.
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“Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
~ L. Victoria

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Motion: To appoint Volunteer Laura Vargas as Sugar Labs Financial Manager [was Re: [SLOBS] URGENT action needed]

[Laura Vargas]

2017-09-10 17:36 GMT-05:00 James Cameron :

> Thanks Laura,


You are welcome James.


> ...

As a result, should the motion pass, you're less useful to Sugar Labs
> (in many ways) because you are conflicted; e.g. you are excluded from
> establishing quorum in a board meeting.
>

In my opinion Walter has done just fine establishing quorum during board
meetings. The positions it's been vacant since 2016
 and was previously held by him.

The purpose of the service contract shall be clear: to publish quarterly
financial reports on the SL Finance 
wiki page.  The work will be intense as there is more than 1 year and 2
quarters out of date and financial procedures need simplifications and
translations.


Next step for the board would be to second the motion and vote.

Regards and blessings from the Amazon forest...

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Motion: To appoint Volunteer Laura Vargas as Sugar Labs Financial Manager [was Re: [SLOBS] URGENT action needed]

[James Cameron]

Thanks Laura, but you've answered a different question; yes, the board
can appoint you, and the Conservancy has procedures to recognise and
care for a conflict of interest, but my comment and Caryl's comment
were about your own conflict of interest that then arises, because the
technical service is financial reporting to the oversight board of
which you are also a member.

Conservancy's conflict of interest policy has these sections;

"* A PLC Person (or his or her family member) is a party to a
contract, or involved in a transaction with Conservancy for goods or
services relating to his or her Project."

or

"* A PLC Person (or his or her family member) is engaged in a
substantial capacity or has a material financial interest in a
for-profit enterprise that competes with his or her Project."

Both would appear to apply to yourself.

(The second would certainly apply to me if I was on the oversight
board.)

As a result, should the motion pass, you're less useful to Sugar Labs
(in many ways) because you are conflicted; e.g. you are excluded from
establishing quorum in a board meeting.

"* *Conflicted Persons Cannot Establish Quorum.* A conflicted
PLC Person shall not be determining the presence of a quorum for purposes
of a vote on the matter where he or she has a conflict of interest."

Your increased usefulness as Financial Manager would not seem to cover
your reduced usefulness as a board member.

By the way, you have not yet complied with oversight board motion
2017-14, and it has been six days.  Are you planning to do so soon?
The issues raised are time critical.

On Sat, Sep 09, 2017 at 06:28:39AM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote:
> James,
> 
> If the board has the will to appoint me as Financial Manager they can.
> 
> Conservancy's Conflict if interest Policy defines a clear procedure for the
> case:
> 
> == Project Leadership Committees
> ...
> PLC wishes to recommend that Conservancy contract with a PLC Person
> to carry out the work, the following criteria must be met:
> 
> ** *Suggested Compensation.* The PLC must provide Conservancy's
> Executive Director (or designee) with a suggested compensation (converted
> into an hourly wage) for the technical service contractor to be retained to
> fulfill the funded contract.
> 
> ** *Independent Assessment of Credentials.* The PLC (or an unaffiliated
> PLC Person) must provide Conservancy's Executive Director (or designee)
> with a written assessment as to why the PLC Person is uniquely qualified
> to fulfill the funded contract.
> 
> ** *Conservancy Retains Right to Request Competitive Bids.* PLCs
> acknowledge that Conservancy retains the right to ask for bids from
> technical service contractors in addition to PLC Person to fulfill a
> given contract. Should that instance arise, Conservancy's Executive Director
> (or designee)
> will consult with the PLC to select the candidate best suited to fulfill
> the contract within the budget allotted.
> 
> * *Conservancy holds Sole Authority to Negotiate and Execute Contracts.*
> PLCs acknowledge that Conservancy holds sole authority
> to negotiate and execute contracts on behalf of Member Projects. In
> turn, Conservancy pledges to negotiate all contracts zealously, putting
> the best interests of the affected Member Project first. To avoid
> any conflicts, PLCs must not engage in any pre-negotiation with prospective
> technical service contractors -- including PLC Persons -- beyond
> collecting the terms of the technical service contractor(s)' bid.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Laura V
> 
> 2017-09-08 21:52 GMT-05:00 James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org>:
> 
> Yes, this may introduce a conflict of interest.
> 
> Laura may be unduly influenced by a secondary interest of stipend.
> 
> Laura can defuse the conflict by either
> 
> 1.  absenting from any discussions that involve finance, and
> abstaining from any motions that involve finance, or
> 
> 2.  resigning from the oversight board.
> 
> I don't think either are a good outcome for Sugar Labs.
> 
> In other organisations where I am a board member, a board may cover
> some costs of a board member for attending to board matters, usually
> after the costs are incurred, and with independent verification of the
> amount of remuneration.
> 
> Independence is lacking in this motion.
> 
> On Sat, Sep 09, 2017 at 02:12:51AM +, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
> > Hello All...
> >
> > I came late to this discussion as we have been very busy the past few
> days and
> > I didn't check my email until this am.
> >
> > I wish to question the propriety of making the financial manager a paid
> > employee who is also serving on the board. This is quite out of the
> ordinary
> > and begs for a conflict of interest problem. This holds true for family
> members
> > of a board member (spouse, children, mothers etc.). This is not just
> coming
> > from me. A quick search turns up plenty of