Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Caryl Bigenho]

Ed and I would love to host Samson in LA for a couple of days between Google 
and Boston. Kayak is showing the one way ticket at $111 at the time he can fly 
(evening). We will get that ticket for him if the rest of his trip is approved.
Caryl

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Adam Holt 
> wrote:

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Lionel Laské 
> wrote:

-1 for this motion.

Participation to the GSoC Summit is already a privilege. It's fair that Samson 
as a mentor could have opportunity to attend to it.
I don't see any advantage for SugarLabs on the Samson side trip, so there is no 
reason for SugarLabs to pay for it.

Lionel,

While I strongly sympathize (I work with Haitian teachers who don't find it 
funny that Samson appears willing to let substantially more than $500 
disappear, far more than a year's salary for my educator colleagues in Haiti...)

Still let me still ask: what would you think if Samson approached this with a 
spirit of compromise, spending $1277.68+190 instead of the earlier desired 
1920.82 (1730.82+190) or 2110.22 (1920.22+190) ?  In this fashion his 2 side 
trips would not cost Sugar Labs much at all:

$1,277.68 @ Emirates.com for https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL 
Lagos - San Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
$190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16

Nobody appreciates a "planned emergency" like this, when Samson's side trips 
could easily have been mentioned in public earlier this summer, instead of 
forcing everyone to the brink like this with de facto high-pressure sales 
tactics.

But let's try to make the best of this obvious disaster and put that behind us.

If you agree, Samson might be wise to jump on this opportunity immediately 
instead of arguing for days over a trip that could Very Easily Go Down The 
Drain (as prices are now rising quickly, with Oct 12 only days away now).

In Context: the companies I've worked for across my career would * never * 
allow the purchase of intercontinental flights only ~16 days prior to travel 
like this, even if Samson's side trips had been mentioned forthrightly a priori 
(instead of forcing Sugar Labs to the brink, and costing us money with 
ever-rising flight costs...)

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Adam Holt]

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Lionel Laské 
wrote:

>
> -1 for this motion.
>
> Participation to the GSoC Summit is already a privilege. It's fair that
> Samson as a mentor could have opportunity to attend to it.
> I don't see any advantage for SugarLabs on the Samson side trip, so there
> is no reason for SugarLabs to pay for it.
>

Lionel,

While I strongly sympathize (I work with Haitian teachers who don't find it
funny that Samson appears willing to let substantially more than $500
disappear, far more than a year's salary for my educator colleagues in
Haiti...)

Still let me still ask: what would you think if Samson approached this with
a spirit of compromise, spending $1277.68+190 instead of the earlier
desired 1920.82 (1730.82+190) or 2110.22 (1920.22+190) ?  In this fashion
his 2 side trips would not cost Sugar Labs much at all:

$1,277.68 @ Emirates.com for https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL Lagos - San
Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
$190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16

Nobody appreciates a "planned emergency" like this, when Samson's side
trips could easily have been mentioned in public earlier this summer,
instead of forcing everyone to the brink like this with de facto
high-pressure sales tactics.

But let's try to make the best of this obvious disaster and put that behind
us.

If you agree, Samson might be wise to jump on this opportunity immediately
instead of arguing for days over a trip that could Very Easily Go Down The
Drain (as prices are now rising quickly, with Oct 12 only days away now).

In Context: the companies I've worked for across my career would * never *
allow the purchase of intercontinental flights only ~16 days prior to
travel like this, even if Samson's side trips had been mentioned
forthrightly a priori (instead of forcing Sugar Labs to the brink, and
costing us money with ever-rising flight costs...)
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Re: [IAEP] Membership polling - why so few localizers?

[James Cameron]

I'm in agreement with Chris Leonard on this.  Translators have done a
great job leading up to the new release of Sugar, and they should be
invited to join Sugar Labs.

http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/localization/2017-September/003952.html
is one such post which could have been an invitation if only it were
phrased in English; the common language of the translators.  ;-)

Also, Abiye Anabraba  has repeatedly tried to
be a member, but is not on the most recent member list.

http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/localization/2017-August/003950.html
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/d/dc/SL_Member_List_verified_2017.ods

I'd like the membership committee to follow up on Abiye and the other
translators, to see if they want membership.  Don't hide being procedure.

-- 
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[IAEP] Membership polling - why so few localizers?

[Chris Leonard]

Hello All,

Several months ago I asked a question on this list related to the
membership list review that was ongoing.

http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2017-June/019832.html

I'd like to repeat the question as I got no answer on the "Verified Sugar
Labs member's list" thread that was started by Laura Vargas.

Has anyone involved in the election / membership list generation ever
reached out to the Sugar Labs Localization Community about registering for
the Sugar Labs membership that their contributions have earned them?

It is a simple fact that most localizers are not as tightly attached to
software projects and their ongoing discussions as developers and other
contributors, but that is because they are often working across many
projects in support of their language.  Their contributions are nonetheless
essential and should be properly valued.

Now that we have additional members on the membership and elections
committees, I would like to request that proper outreach be made to our
localizers via the communication channel where they can usually be found:

http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/localization

We have had incredible contributions made in the realm of translations in
the past year alone, and it would be a gross inequality if they were not
attempts to engage these community members who contribute so much.

Below is just a sampling with Pootle usernames and recent submissions
listed by language (and only those over 100 submissions).  Very few of
these names are on the membership lists I have seen.  We can do better with
outreach to active community members than that.


*Acholi*
chanchumgpa 6475
Olot 5861
denish 857
LostInMorvan362

*Afrikaans*
OdettePretorius 532

*Albanian*
Besnik_b 1037

*Amharic*
dbekele 577

*Aragonese*
juanpabl 414

*Armenian*
Jasmine 866

*Catalan*
rbuj 7472

*Chinese (China)*
Jason 395
joyhe 119

*Chinese (Taiwan)*
YuanChao 393

*Croatian*
boput 496

*Czech*
pbo 304

*Danish*
dark159123 804

*Dutch*
whe 3380

*French*
LostInMorvan 3223
StephaneDT22 666
krhome 165

*Galician*
mbouzada 710
saravpaz 379

*German*
thoraki 631
mschlager 543
Pinkbluesoul 142
estherw 140

*Guaraní (Paraguay)*
MartínOesterreich 21098

*Hebrew*
Yaron 2761

*Hindi*
iamutkarshtiwari 1107
Manas 516
GeekyShiva 179
yatinmaan 148

*Hungarian*
ursus 488

*Icelandic*
sveinki 147

*Igbo*
chimosky 1250
samsongoddy 768
cblinks 541
thebank 389

*Indonesian*
andika 3737

*Italian*
carlo 825
eliassecchi 174
andretna 137

*Japanese*
sujiniku 182

*Korean*
mimibg 510

*Lithuanian*
Moo 1645

*Malagasy*
Riella 114

*Malay*
ariessa 995

*Malayalam*
lanevo 839

*Mongolian*
Bulgantamir 216
anderson861 195

*Nepali*
buddhi.raj 437

*Persian (Farsi)*
Soori 1676
makba2 1211
Florence 842
Parmis 187

*Polish*
ty221 1685

*Portuguese*
unkuiri 1543

*Portuguese (Brasil)*
mariana.dias 1012
betoraposa 677
joaoeliakin 638
fusiondevices 310
fefcas 228

*Romanian*
sandraelazar 844

*Russian*
rootacat 2305
Arcueid 1052

*Slovak*
jana 1998

*Songhai Languages*
songhay 2374

*Spanish*
AlanJAS 1838
tch 530
godiard 216
german 132

*Swedish*
ajonsson 8476

*Telegu*
GeeKrypter 177

*Ukranian*
lxlalexlxl 1670
yurchor 1222
cyper 169

*Vietnamese*
thuyn 720
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Re: [IAEP] Sugarizer1° Revisited

[Samson Goddy]

Lionel, any plans for Scratch 3.0 in Sugarizer?





On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 10:05 PM, Lionel Laské 
wrote:

> Hi Caryl,
>
> Thanks for your support to Sugarizer.
> I remember your Sugarizer Primero idea and as I said to you I'm agree to
> help you as possible.
>
> Here is a short description of our Sugarizer deployment this year (I'm CC
> Bastien so he could give more information):
> - The deployment was in a CM1 class in French so Grade 4 for US.
> - The deployment was between February 2017 and July 2017
> - We've deployed 25 tablets Lenovo A10-30 tablets with a supplementary
> microSD 16Gb card with
> - Each tablet has a protection and we later add a headphone and a
> bluetooth keyboard for each
> - Sugarizer OS - so Sugarizer as an Android launcher - v0.8 was deployed
> on all tablets, we've also included 82 Android activities. Most famous are:
> GCompris, ScratchJr and Wikipedia. The list was decided by Sandrine, our
> education specialist.
> - The school had no internet access, we planned to deploy a Sugarizer
> Server on a RaspberryPI with a bunch of content but we didn't had time to
> finalize it
> - The main work done by the teacher with the tablets was:
>* Mind mapping using the Sugarizer Labyrinth activity
>* Scratch using ScratchJR application
>* E-book creation using BookCreator application
> - Sandrine had regular contacts with the teacher during the year. We had
> few meetings with her too and we had a meeting with parents at the end of
> the year
>
> We're starting these days a new deployment in another school with 10
> tablets (same model). AFAK these tablets will not be dedicated to a
> specific grade  this time.
>
> Best regards.
>
>Lionel.
>
>
>
>
> 2017-09-24 20:52 GMT+02:00 Caryl Bigenho :
>
>> Hi Walter,
>>
>>
>> Thanks for replying! Yes, we find things a bit hectic here too... we just
>> made our semi-annual move from Montana and are in the midst of unpacking
>> our stuff.
>>
>>
>> I look forward to seeing what results Lionel gets from his pilot test of
>> Sugarizer in a school. Do you know what grade (age) levels he is testing?
>>
>>
>> We can ask Rosamel for some input. As you probably know she is not only
>> working in a school but also is teaching prospective teachers in a local
>> university! She really knows her stuff!
>>
>>
>> I was hoping she could do a survey for us from some of the most
>> successful users of Sugar in the schools she worked with.  Her school,
>> which we visited at the EduJam, was very impressive. Some of the others ...
>> not so much. Teacher/parent "buy in" is very important! If we want to do
>> that, it would be good to do it before they go into their summer vacation.
>>
>>
>> Lionel mentioned someone liking Abecederium. It is a good one for primary
>> school, but there may be problems when we try to translate it into other
>> languages.
>>
>>
>> I was thinking that, after releasing a Sugarizer1° there could be other
>> specialized versions of Sugerizer... eg Sugarizer+-x/ (specially for math)
>> SugarizerCompute (with Pippy and other programming Activities), Sugarizer
>> (Music) and so forth! There are so many possibilities.
>>
>>
>> I see Sugarizer1° as a "trial balloon" where we could get all the kinks
>> out... testing, documentation, translations, marketing, distribution and
>> the like. I also have a granddaughter in the first grade and her Daddy has
>> his PhD in Cognitive Science and Educational Technology. He is a "hard
>> sell" on things like this so, if he likes it, you know it is good!
>>
>>
>> Caryl
>> --
>> *From:* Walter Bender 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 24, 2017 11:18:20 AM
>> *To:* Caryl Bigenho
>> *Cc:* Caryl Bigenho; iaep; Adam Holt; Samson Goddy; Shameer Verma;
>> Lionel Laske; Laura Vargas; igna...@sugarlabs.org; Tony Anderson; James
>> Cameron; Rosa; José Miguel García; Gonzalo Odiard
>> *Subject:* Re: Sugarizer1° Revisited
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Caryl Bigenho 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Folks...
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope you are all enjoying your weekend. Perhaps you have been too busy
>>> and overlooked my email about Sugarizer1°.
>>>
>> Things have been a bit chaotic of late :P
>>
>>
>>> I am resending it and hoping to get some honest opinions and
>>> suggestions, especially from those of you who have been interested in and
>>> working with Sugarizer and those of you who are candidates for the Sugar
>>> Labs Oversight Board.
>>>
>>
>> I undestand that Lionel is in the midst of his first pilot test of
>> Sugarizer in a school, although I don't know any of the specifics. It would
>> seem we should consider what he learns from the pilot before executing a
>> plan such as you describe. In the meantime, we should be able to gather
>> some data from the Ceibal team that is already on the ground in UY and in
>> daily contact with teachers and students. Lots we can learn from them.
>>

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[D. Joe]

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 04:55:25PM -0400, Adam Holt wrote:
> Flights like KLM's https://goo.gl/flights/XwKR have very efficient layovers
> (4h15m, 1h46m and 2h10m) and would save Sugar Labs $487.36 or $676.76 
> according
> to Samson's own arithmetic.

I'm sure there are other factors I'm missing in all this, but I wouldn't
call the last two layover times "efficient" in the context of
transcontinental and transoceanic international flight.  I'd call them
bordering on foolhardy for any but the most seasoned and flexible traveller
(eg, someone travelling light [eg, carryon only]), sufficiently experienced
and financially capable of negotiating any on-the-fly rebookings and added
accomodations necessitated by a missed connection.

It's probably why they are cheaper: Demand for them is probably lower.  If
any of those layover times include much standing in line for things like
customs, immigration/border control, security screening or the like, they
are too short.  Checked bags for domestic layovers can usually be checked
through, but for any layover that involves the passenger crossing a border,
bags generally need to be collected, taken through customs and border
control, passed through security once again, and then re-checked.  This can
go smoothly, or it can go horribly.  If there are delays for the incoming
flight on top of all that, it can make catching the connection impossible.

Foregoing the opportunity for far-flung Sugar Labs members to meet in person
at a proportionally low added marginal cost (compared, eg, to a separate
trip) could be penny wise but pound foolish, especially if the budget funds
are not fungible.

-- 
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Walter Bender]

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Walter Bender 
> wrote:
>
>> From what I understand, from the flights that Samson identified, which
>> are the ones with reasonable layovers -- a consideration that the new SFC
>> travel guidelines allow him to take into account -- the difference is a
>> wash.
>>
>
> In this case both above statements are untrue (the difference is not a
> wash, nor is this covered by SFC's travel guidelines).
>

I am taking everyone at their word regarding available flights, layovers,
etc. I'm not the travel agent here. However, the SFC's new travel
guidelines do in fact have considerations for layovers (Please read
https://sfconservancy.org/projects/policies/conservancy-travel-policy.html)
so I don't think I am mistaken in that regard. I hope that between you and
Samson you can find efficient and cost-effective flights. As far as the
marginal cost associated with Samson going to Boston, I think it is
reasonable and an appropriate use of the Mentor funds we got from GSoC.

regards.

-walter


>
> Flights like KLM's https://goo.gl/flights/XwKR have very efficient
> layovers (4h15m, 1h46m and 2h10m) and would save Sugar Labs $487.36 or
> $676.76 according to Samson's own arithmetic.
>
> Samson has chosen to purchase https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> Open-jaw_ticket flights (returning to Nigeria from Boston instead of from
> San Francisco) which have a dramatically higher cost to Sugar Labs.
>
> Everybody should take seriously whether paying $487.36 or $676.76 extra
> for Samson's side trips to LA and Boston is or is not worth it.  But
> certainly not pretend that there's no additional cost.  Which is simply
> false in this case, no matter how much we might all wish it were true!
>
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Re: [IAEP] Sugarizer1° Revisited

[Lionel Laské]

Hi Caryl,

Thanks for your support to Sugarizer.
I remember your Sugarizer Primero idea and as I said to you I'm agree to
help you as possible.

Here is a short description of our Sugarizer deployment this year (I'm CC
Bastien so he could give more information):
- The deployment was in a CM1 class in French so Grade 4 for US.
- The deployment was between February 2017 and July 2017
- We've deployed 25 tablets Lenovo A10-30 tablets with a supplementary
microSD 16Gb card with
- Each tablet has a protection and we later add a headphone and a bluetooth
keyboard for each
- Sugarizer OS - so Sugarizer as an Android launcher - v0.8 was deployed on
all tablets, we've also included 82 Android activities. Most famous are:
GCompris, ScratchJr and Wikipedia. The list was decided by Sandrine, our
education specialist.
- The school had no internet access, we planned to deploy a Sugarizer
Server on a RaspberryPI with a bunch of content but we didn't had time to
finalize it
- The main work done by the teacher with the tablets was:
   * Mind mapping using the Sugarizer Labyrinth activity
   * Scratch using ScratchJR application
   * E-book creation using BookCreator application
- Sandrine had regular contacts with the teacher during the year. We had
few meetings with her too and we had a meeting with parents at the end of
the year

We're starting these days a new deployment in another school with 10
tablets (same model). AFAK these tablets will not be dedicated to a
specific grade  this time.

Best regards.

   Lionel.




2017-09-24 20:52 GMT+02:00 Caryl Bigenho :

> Hi Walter,
>
>
> Thanks for replying! Yes, we find things a bit hectic here too... we just
> made our semi-annual move from Montana and are in the midst of unpacking
> our stuff.
>
>
> I look forward to seeing what results Lionel gets from his pilot test of
> Sugarizer in a school. Do you know what grade (age) levels he is testing?
>
>
> We can ask Rosamel for some input. As you probably know she is not only
> working in a school but also is teaching prospective teachers in a local
> university! She really knows her stuff!
>
>
> I was hoping she could do a survey for us from some of the most successful
> users of Sugar in the schools she worked with.  Her school, which we
> visited at the EduJam, was very impressive. Some of the others ... not so
> much. Teacher/parent "buy in" is very important! If we want to do that, it
> would be good to do it before they go into their summer vacation.
>
>
> Lionel mentioned someone liking Abecederium. It is a good one for primary
> school, but there may be problems when we try to translate it into other
> languages.
>
>
> I was thinking that, after releasing a Sugarizer1° there could be other
> specialized versions of Sugerizer... eg Sugarizer+-x/ (specially for math)
> SugarizerCompute (with Pippy and other programming Activities), Sugarizer
> (Music) and so forth! There are so many possibilities.
>
>
> I see Sugarizer1° as a "trial balloon" where we could get all the kinks
> out... testing, documentation, translations, marketing, distribution and
> the like. I also have a granddaughter in the first grade and her Daddy has
> his PhD in Cognitive Science and Educational Technology. He is a "hard
> sell" on things like this so, if he likes it, you know it is good!
>
>
> Caryl
> --
> *From:* Walter Bender 
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 24, 2017 11:18:20 AM
> *To:* Caryl Bigenho
> *Cc:* Caryl Bigenho; iaep; Adam Holt; Samson Goddy; Shameer Verma; Lionel
> Laske; Laura Vargas; igna...@sugarlabs.org; Tony Anderson; James Cameron;
> Rosa; José Miguel García; Gonzalo Odiard
> *Subject:* Re: Sugarizer1° Revisited
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Caryl Bigenho 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks...
>>
>>
>> I hope you are all enjoying your weekend. Perhaps you have been too busy
>> and overlooked my email about Sugarizer1°.
>>
> Things have been a bit chaotic of late :P
>
>
>> I am resending it and hoping to get some honest opinions and suggestions,
>> especially from those of you who have been interested in and working with
>> Sugarizer and those of you who are candidates for the Sugar Labs Oversight
>> Board.
>>
>
> I undestand that Lionel is in the midst of his first pilot test of
> Sugarizer in a school, although I don't know any of the specifics. It would
> seem we should consider what he learns from the pilot before executing a
> plan such as you describe. In the meantime, we should be able to gather
> some data from the Ceibal team that is already on the ground in UY and in
> daily contact with teachers and students. Lots we can learn from them.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
>>
>> I look forward to a discussion about how we could best make something
>> like this happen to bring the magic of Sugar to children everywhere.
>>
>>
>> Caryl
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Caryl Bigenho on behalf of Caryl Bigenho 

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Adam Holt]

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> From what I understand, from the flights that Samson identified, which are
> the ones with reasonable layovers -- a consideration that the new SFC
> travel guidelines allow him to take into account -- the difference is a
> wash.
>

In this case both above statements are untrue (the difference is not a
wash, nor is this covered by SFC's travel guidelines).

Flights like KLM's https://goo.gl/flights/XwKR have very efficient layovers
(4h15m, 1h46m and 2h10m) and would save Sugar Labs $487.36 or $676.76
according to Samson's own arithmetic.

Samson has chosen to purchase https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-jaw_ticket
flights (returning to Nigeria from Boston instead of from San Francisco)
which have a dramatically higher cost to Sugar Labs.

Everybody should take seriously whether paying $487.36 or $676.76 extra for
Samson's side trips to LA and Boston is or is not worth it.  But certainly
not pretend that there's no additional cost.  Which is simply false in this
case, no matter how much we might all wish it were true!
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Walter Bender]

Please excuse the top post.

>From what I understand, from the flights that Samson identified, which are
the ones with reasonable layovers -- a consideration that the new SFC
travel guidelines allow him to take into account -- the difference is a
wash. However, if you think it is necessary to vote on whether or not to
support Samson's layover in Boston, let me add another data point. Google,
in addition to giving SL $3300 towards mentor travel, also gave us $4500 to
be used at the discretion of the mentors. Since we had 10 active mentors,
that would mean that between Samson and myself, we have an additional $900
we could put towards travel. In any case, I think it is ludicrous not to
give a community member this opportunity.

As far as Lionel's argument that we could be buying tablets instead, to me
it doesn't hold water, because (a) the travel money is earmarked for
travel, and (b) for what ever reason, no one is suggesting that Michael's
travel money be put towards laptops.

regards.

-walter

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Samson Goddy  wrote:

>
>
> On Sep 24, 2017 7:44 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:
>
> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Walter Bender 
> wrote:
>
>> +1 from me.
>>
>> This is a timely matter, so please vote ASAP.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 11:12 PM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>>
>>> Second.
>>>
>>> Sameer
>>>
>>> On Sep 22, 2017 10:48 PM, "Walter Bender" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 As has been discussed, Samson would like to have a layover in Boston on
 the way back from the Google Summer of Code summit. He has documented here
 [1] that there is not increase in the cost of the ticket to make the Boston
 stop. Nonetheless, the SFC has asked that the oversight board approve this
 change in the original motion, which only mentioned the GSoC summit.

 Motion: approve the inclusion of a Boston layover in Samson's trip from
 Nigeria to California on his return from the GSoC summit.

 Please note that this is independent of the request for additional
 funding associated with traveling to Boston (although as Samson has already
 noted, we have arranged free lodging for him, thanks to the Minsky family).

 [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dBJ14BeT4titV9FU7Cf0jcJc
 5nto54ly8aZEbN8ZbVw/edit?usp=sharing

>>>
> This documentation is incorrect.  Sugar Labs is being asked to pay $487.36
> or $676.76 extra as a result of Samson Goddy's desired side-trips (which
> were not mention in Motion 2017-17
> ) to LA and
> Boston after GSoC Mentoring Summit in the SF area Oct 13-15.
>
> As compared to a Nigeria-San Francisco flight without such visits (
> $1433.46 is the actual total price at http://klm.com also shown at
> https://goo.gl/flights/XwKR )
>
> The links are not displaying. I chose a preferred flight to SFC which was
> under the rules and also flexible for me, i took weeks in getting that
> flights . Are you now choosing another flight for me?
>
> SFC originally asked me to Ask SLOBS for permission because they notice my
> layover in Boston which i explain in previous mail. That i am meeting with
> the scratch team and secondly walter about future T.A day in Nigeria.
>
> I am going to L.A from SFO on my own expenses  (caryl is paying for the
> flight) taking a local flight from L.A.X to boston.
>
> Which i did. You saying that document is incorrect is wrong. Because i
> sent the same documents to SFC starting that i am to fly British airways
> and coming back October 24th because of an exams i am having in Nigeria.
>
>
> Sugar Labs may indeed decide Samson's side trips are worth the extra
> price, be it either of the following of the 2 flights chosen by Samson:
>
> $487.36 = 1730.82 (pricier open-jaw ticket) + 190 (LA to Boston) - 1433.46
>
> $676.76 = 1920.22 (pricier open-jaw ticket) + 190 (LA to Boston) -1433.46
>
> Let's be open to an honest, civil debate here about how much exactly
> Samson's side trips are (or are not) worth to Sugar Labs.  Please if we can
> execute financial decision-making in public (I'm moving this private email
> discussion from sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org to iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org)
> unless there is an overwhelming reason for confidentiality during
> merger/acquisition planning, legal threats etc.
>
>
> It is cool, but i don't understand why the arguments. The google link
> shows the flight i chose and explain how i intend to go to Boston.
>
> Once again thank you.
>
> Please i am to meet with SFC on monday for my flight so making this
> decision fast will be nice.
>
>
> Thank You All.
>
> regards.

 -walter

 --
 Walter Bender
 Sugar Labs
 http://www.sugarlabs.org
 

 ___
 SLOBs mailing list
 

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Lionel Laské]

-1 for this motion.

Participation to the GSoC Summit is already a privilege. It's fair that
Samson as a mentor could have opportunity to attend to it.
I don't see any advantage for SugarLabs on the Samson side trip, so there
is no reason for SugarLabs to pay for it.

  Lionel.

2017-09-24 20:59 GMT+02:00 Samson Goddy :

>
>
> On Sep 24, 2017 7:44 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:
>
> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Walter Bender 
> wrote:
>
>> +1 from me.
>>
>> This is a timely matter, so please vote ASAP.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 11:12 PM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>>
>>> Second.
>>>
>>> Sameer
>>>
>>> On Sep 22, 2017 10:48 PM, "Walter Bender" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 As has been discussed, Samson would like to have a layover in Boston on
 the way back from the Google Summer of Code summit. He has documented here
 [1] that there is not increase in the cost of the ticket to make the Boston
 stop. Nonetheless, the SFC has asked that the oversight board approve this
 change in the original motion, which only mentioned the GSoC summit.

 Motion: approve the inclusion of a Boston layover in Samson's trip from
 Nigeria to California on his return from the GSoC summit.

 Please note that this is independent of the request for additional
 funding associated with traveling to Boston (although as Samson has already
 noted, we have arranged free lodging for him, thanks to the Minsky family).

 [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dBJ14BeT4titV9FU7Cf0jcJc
 5nto54ly8aZEbN8ZbVw/edit?usp=sharing

>>>
> This documentation is incorrect.  Sugar Labs is being asked to pay $487.36
> or $676.76 extra as a result of Samson Goddy's desired side-trips (which
> were not mention in Motion 2017-17
> ) to LA and
> Boston after GSoC Mentoring Summit in the SF area Oct 13-15.
>
> As compared to a Nigeria-San Francisco flight without such visits (
> $1433.46 is the actual total price at http://klm.com also shown at
> https://goo.gl/flights/XwKR )
>
> The links are not displaying. I chose a preferred flight to SFC which was
> under the rules and also flexible for me, i took weeks in getting that
> flights . Are you now choosing another flight for me?
>
> SFC originally asked me to Ask SLOBS for permission because they notice my
> layover in Boston which i explain in previous mail. That i am meeting with
> the scratch team and secondly walter about future T.A day in Nigeria.
>
> I am going to L.A from SFO on my own expenses  (caryl is paying for the
> flight) taking a local flight from L.A.X to boston.
>
> Which i did. You saying that document is incorrect is wrong. Because i
> sent the same documents to SFC starting that i am to fly British airways
> and coming back October 24th because of an exams i am having in Nigeria.
>
>
> Sugar Labs may indeed decide Samson's side trips are worth the extra
> price, be it either of the following of the 2 flights chosen by Samson:
>
> $487.36 = 1730.82 (pricier open-jaw ticket) + 190 (LA to Boston) - 1433.46
>
> $676.76 = 1920.22 (pricier open-jaw ticket) + 190 (LA to Boston) -1433.46
>
> Let's be open to an honest, civil debate here about how much exactly
> Samson's side trips are (or are not) worth to Sugar Labs.  Please if we can
> execute financial decision-making in public (I'm moving this private email
> discussion from sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org to iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org)
> unless there is an overwhelming reason for confidentiality during
> merger/acquisition planning, legal threats etc.
>
>
> It is cool, but i don't understand why the arguments. The google link
> shows the flight i chose and explain how i intend to go to Boston.
>
> Once again thank you.
>
> Please i am to meet with SFC on monday for my flight so making this
> decision fast will be nice.
>
>
> Thank You All.
>
> regards.

 -walter

 --
 Walter Bender
 Sugar Labs
 http://www.sugarlabs.org
 

 ___
 SLOBs mailing list
 sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org
 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs


>>
>>
>> --
>> Walter Bender
>> Sugar Labs
>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>> 
>>
>> ___
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>> sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
>>
>> --
>> 
>> 
>> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @
>> http://unleashkids.org !
>>
>
> ___
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> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>
>
>
> 

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Samson Goddy]

On Sep 24, 2017 7:44 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> +1 from me.
>
> This is a timely matter, so please vote ASAP.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 11:12 PM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>
>> Second.
>>
>> Sameer
>>
>> On Sep 22, 2017 10:48 PM, "Walter Bender" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As has been discussed, Samson would like to have a layover in Boston on
>>> the way back from the Google Summer of Code summit. He has documented here
>>> [1] that there is not increase in the cost of the ticket to make the Boston
>>> stop. Nonetheless, the SFC has asked that the oversight board approve this
>>> change in the original motion, which only mentioned the GSoC summit.
>>>
>>> Motion: approve the inclusion of a Boston layover in Samson's trip from
>>> Nigeria to California on his return from the GSoC summit.
>>>
>>> Please note that this is independent of the request for additional
>>> funding associated with traveling to Boston (although as Samson has already
>>> noted, we have arranged free lodging for him, thanks to the Minsky family).
>>>
>>> [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dBJ14BeT4titV9FU7Cf0jcJc
>>> 5nto54ly8aZEbN8ZbVw/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>
This documentation is incorrect.  Sugar Labs is being asked to pay $487.36
or $676.76 extra as a result of Samson Goddy's desired side-trips (which
were not mention in Motion 2017-17
) to LA and Boston
after GSoC Mentoring Summit in the SF area Oct 13-15.

As compared to a Nigeria-San Francisco flight without such visits ( $1433.46
is the actual total price at http://klm.com also shown at
https://goo.gl/flights/XwKR )

The links are not displaying. I chose a preferred flight to SFC which was
under the rules and also flexible for me, i took weeks in getting that
flights . Are you now choosing another flight for me?

SFC originally asked me to Ask SLOBS for permission because they notice my
layover in Boston which i explain in previous mail. That i am meeting with
the scratch team and secondly walter about future T.A day in Nigeria.

I am going to L.A from SFO on my own expenses  (caryl is paying for the
flight) taking a local flight from L.A.X to boston.

Which i did. You saying that document is incorrect is wrong. Because i sent
the same documents to SFC starting that i am to fly British airways and
coming back October 24th because of an exams i am having in Nigeria.


Sugar Labs may indeed decide Samson's side trips are worth the extra price,
be it either of the following of the 2 flights chosen by Samson:

$487.36 = 1730.82 (pricier open-jaw ticket) + 190 (LA to Boston) - 1433.46

$676.76 = 1920.22 (pricier open-jaw ticket) + 190 (LA to Boston) -1433.46

Let's be open to an honest, civil debate here about how much exactly
Samson's side trips are (or are not) worth to Sugar Labs.  Please if we can
execute financial decision-making in public (I'm moving this private email
discussion from sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org to iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org)
unless there is an overwhelming reason for confidentiality during
merger/acquisition planning, legal threats etc.


It is cool, but i don't understand why the arguments. The google link shows
the flight i chose and explain how i intend to go to Boston.

Once again thank you.

Please i am to meet with SFC on monday for my flight so making this
decision fast will be nice.


Thank You All.

regards.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>
>>> --
>>> Walter Bender
>>> Sugar Labs
>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>> 
>>>
>>> ___
>>> SLOBs mailing list
>>> sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
>>>
>>>
>
>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> 
>
> ___
> SLOBs mailing list
> sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
>
> --
> 
> 
> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @
> http://unleashkids.org !
>

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Re: [IAEP] Sugarizer1° Revisited

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Walter,


Thanks for replying! Yes, we find things a bit hectic here too... we just made 
our semi-annual move from Montana and are in the midst of unpacking our stuff.


I look forward to seeing what results Lionel gets from his pilot test of 
Sugarizer in a school. Do you know what grade (age) levels he is testing?


We can ask Rosamel for some input. As you probably know she is not only working 
in a school but also is teaching prospective teachers in a local university! 
She really knows her stuff!


I was hoping she could do a survey for us from some of the most successful 
users of Sugar in the schools she worked with.  Her school, which we visited at 
the EduJam, was very impressive. Some of the others ... not so much. 
Teacher/parent "buy in" is very important! If we want to do that, it would be 
good to do it before they go into their summer vacation.


Lionel mentioned someone liking Abecederium. It is a good one for primary 
school, but there may be problems when we try to translate it into other 
languages.


I was thinking that, after releasing a Sugarizer1° there could be other 
specialized versions of Sugerizer... eg Sugarizer+-x/ (specially for math) 
SugarizerCompute (with Pippy and other programming Activities), Sugarizer 
(Music) and so forth! There are so many possibilities.


I see Sugarizer1° as a "trial balloon" where we could get all the kinks out... 
testing, documentation, translations, marketing, distribution and the like. I 
also have a granddaughter in the first grade and her Daddy has his PhD in 
Cognitive Science and Educational Technology. He is a "hard sell" on things 
like this so, if he likes it, you know it is good!


Caryl


From: Walter Bender 
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 11:18:20 AM
To: Caryl Bigenho
Cc: Caryl Bigenho; iaep; Adam Holt; Samson Goddy; Shameer Verma; Lionel Laske; 
Laura Vargas; igna...@sugarlabs.org; Tony Anderson; James Cameron; Rosa; José 
Miguel García; Gonzalo Odiard
Subject: Re: Sugarizer1° Revisited



On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Caryl Bigenho 
> wrote:

Hi Folks...


I hope you are all enjoying your weekend. Perhaps you have been too busy and 
overlooked my email about Sugarizer1°.

Things have been a bit chaotic of late :P


I am resending it and hoping to get some honest opinions and suggestions, 
especially from those of you who have been interested in and working with 
Sugarizer and those of you who are candidates for the Sugar Labs Oversight 
Board.

I undestand that Lionel is in the midst of his first pilot test of Sugarizer in 
a school, although I don't know any of the specifics. It would seem we should 
consider what he learns from the pilot before executing a plan such as you 
describe. In the meantime, we should be able to gather some data from the 
Ceibal team that is already on the ground in UY and in daily contact with 
teachers and students. Lots we can learn from them.

regards.

-walter


I look forward to a discussion about how we could best make something like this 
happen to bring the magic of Sugar to children everywhere.


Caryl



From: Caryl Bigenho on behalf of Caryl Bigenho 
>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 9:51:32 PM
To: iaep; Adam Holt; Walter Bender; Samson Goddy; Shameer Verma; Lionel Laske; 
Laura Vargas; igna...@sugarlabs.org; Tony 
Anderson; James Cameron; Rosa; José Miguel García; Gonzalo Odiard
Subject: Sugarizer1° Revisited

Hello All,

I think somewhere some of the people of SugarLabs have “lost their way.” When I 
joined the OLPC support-gang nearly ten years ago and, later, Sugar Labs I was 
excited by the concept of bringing collaborative, constructionism to children’s 
learning all over the world. Later, as the XOs were no longer readily 
available, Lionel’s idea of “Sugar on any device” promised an exciting way that 
this could still actually happen.

Now, I am seeing an attempt by a few individuals to usurp all this and drive 
the program to just a few chosen areas. I believe this is wrong! I believe this 
should be a world-wide movement to improve education of children everywhere! I 
also believe many of you agree with me.

A couple of summers ago I proposed, via a motion, a project that I felt would 
help fulfill that original vision of bringing the magic of learning with Sugar 
to children all over the world. It addressed what have been some of the 
weaknesses in prior projects… principally not meeting the perceived needs of 
children, parents and teachers. Without doing that (which was done, 
masterfully, in Uruguay), Sugar just won’t get used. The prospective users have 
to want to use it. They have to see it as the powerful educational tool that it 
is.

My proposed project would start small, with a special version of Sugarizer 
designed just for children in the first 2 or 3 

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Adam Holt]

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> +1 from me.
>
> This is a timely matter, so please vote ASAP.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 11:12 PM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>
>> Second.
>>
>> Sameer
>>
>> On Sep 22, 2017 10:48 PM, "Walter Bender" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As has been discussed, Samson would like to have a layover in Boston on
>>> the way back from the Google Summer of Code summit. He has documented here
>>> [1] that there is not increase in the cost of the ticket to make the Boston
>>> stop. Nonetheless, the SFC has asked that the oversight board approve this
>>> change in the original motion, which only mentioned the GSoC summit.
>>>
>>> Motion: approve the inclusion of a Boston layover in Samson's trip from
>>> Nigeria to California on his return from the GSoC summit.
>>>
>>> Please note that this is independent of the request for additional
>>> funding associated with traveling to Boston (although as Samson has already
>>> noted, we have arranged free lodging for him, thanks to the Minsky family).
>>>
>>> [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dBJ14BeT4titV9FU7Cf0jcJc
>>> 5nto54ly8aZEbN8ZbVw/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>
This documentation is incorrect.  Sugar Labs is being asked to pay $487.36
or $676.76 extra as a result of Samson Goddy's desired side-trips (which
were not mention in Motion 2017-17
) to LA and Boston
after GSoC Mentoring Summit in the SF area Oct 13-15.

As compared to a Nigeria-San Francisco flight without such visits (
$1433.46 is the actual total price at http://klm.com also shown at
https://goo.gl/flights/XwKR )

Sugar Labs may indeed decide Samson's side trips are worth the extra price,
be it either of the following of the 2 flights chosen by Samson:

$487.36 = 1730.82 (pricier open-jaw ticket) + 190 (LA to Boston) - 1433.46

$676.76 = 1920.22 (pricier open-jaw ticket) + 190 (LA to Boston) -1433.46

Let's be open to an honest, civil debate here about how much exactly
Samson's side trips are (or are not) worth to Sugar Labs.  Please if we can
execute financial decision-making in public (I'm moving this private email
discussion from sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org to iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org)
unless there is an overwhelming reason for confidentiality during
merger/acquisition planning, legal threats etc.

Thank You All.

regards.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>
>>> --
>>> Walter Bender
>>> Sugar Labs
>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>> 
>>>
>>> ___
>>> SLOBs mailing list
>>> sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
>>>
>>>
>
>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> 
>
> ___
> SLOBs mailing list
> sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
>
> --
> 
> 
> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @
> http://unleashkids.org !
>
___
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Re: [IAEP] Sugarizer1° Revisited

[Walter Bender]

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:

> Hi Folks...
>
>
> I hope you are all enjoying your weekend. Perhaps you have been too busy
> and overlooked my email about Sugarizer1°.
>
Things have been a bit chaotic of late :P


> I am resending it and hoping to get some honest opinions and suggestions,
> especially from those of you who have been interested in and working with
> Sugarizer and those of you who are candidates for the Sugar Labs Oversight
> Board.
>

I undestand that Lionel is in the midst of his first pilot test of
Sugarizer in a school, although I don't know any of the specifics. It would
seem we should consider what he learns from the pilot before executing a
plan such as you describe. In the meantime, we should be able to gather
some data from the Ceibal team that is already on the ground in UY and in
daily contact with teachers and students. Lots we can learn from them.

regards.

-walter

>
> I look forward to a discussion about how we could best make something like
> this happen to bring the magic of Sugar to children everywhere.
>
>
> Caryl
>
>
> --
> *From:* Caryl Bigenho on behalf of Caryl Bigenho 
> *Sent:* Friday, September 22, 2017 9:51:32 PM
> *To:* iaep; Adam Holt; Walter Bender; Samson Goddy; Shameer Verma; Lionel
> Laske; Laura Vargas; igna...@sugarlabs.org; Tony Anderson; James Cameron;
> Rosa; José Miguel García; Gonzalo Odiard
> *Subject:* Sugarizer1° Revisited
>
> Hello All,
>
> I think somewhere some of the people of SugarLabs have “lost their way.”
> When I joined the OLPC support-gang nearly ten years ago and, later, Sugar
> Labs I was excited by the concept of bringing collaborative,
> constructionism to children’s learning all over the world. Later, as the
> XOs were no longer readily available, Lionel’s idea of “Sugar on any
> device” promised an exciting way that this could still actually happen.
>
> *Now, I am seeing an attempt by a few individuals to usurp all this and
> drive the program to just a few chosen areas. I believe this is wrong! I
> believe this should be a world-wide movement to improve education of
> children everywhere! I also believe many of you agree with me.*
>
> A couple of summers ago I proposed, via a motion, a project that I felt
> would help fulfill that original vision of bringing the magic of learning
> with Sugar to children all over the world. It addressed what have been some
> of the weaknesses in prior projects… principally not meeting the perceived
> needs of children, parents and teachers. Without doing that (which was
> done, masterfully, in Uruguay), Sugar just won’t get used. The prospective
> users have to want to use it. They have to see it as the powerful
> educational tool that it is.
>
> My proposed project would start small, with a special version of Sugarizer
> designed just for children in the first 2 or 3 years of school. It would
> begin with a survey of students and teachers in Uruguay who had used Sugar
> Activities in the Project Ceibal program. After finding a small number of
> favorite Activities, say ten to twelve, the first version would be produced
> in both Spanish and English. It would be called Sugarizer1°, or Sugarizer
> Primero because it would be designed especially for children in the
> "primary grades".
>
> When the first versions were ready, they would be tested by children,
> teachers, and parents using all sorts of devices. Surveys to find favorite
> Activities would be done. Ways to use them with classroom lessons would be
> found. Ways to enhance learning at home would be found. Fun things to do
> with Sugar as a family would be found. Documentation of all this would be
> made universally available online. Versions in other languages would be
> added at this point. French would be logical then possibly Hindi, Arabic,
> and Chinese. Other smaller language groups could also be served such as
> Haitian Creole, Aymara, and the like.
>
> For the regular Release Candidate, an energetic “Marketing campaign” would
> be needed with Sugar Labs volunteers going to all sorts of educational and
> open source fairs and conferences, presenting at teacher education
> institutions, and the like. Getting some of the teachers, students, and
> parents from the beta testing stage to write articles, blogs, and the like
> about their experiences would help. Some travel expenses might be incurred
> and some stipends for writers might be appropriate.
>
> As you can see in the paragraph above, many of these steps should cost
> money. For example, a coordinating teacher in Uruguay should be paid to
> conduct the studies there (logically this would be Rosamel Ramirez).
> Possibly educators who work for us as documentation writers should be paid.
> Etc. Etc. Etc.
>
> This proposal needs lots of work. It did 2 summers ago and it still does.
> If others tell me they also feel that *the Magic of Sugar should be for
> children everywhere*, I’ll proceed 

Re: [IAEP] Sugarizer1° Revisited

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Folks...


I hope you are all enjoying your weekend. Perhaps you have been too busy and 
overlooked my email about Sugarizer1°. I am resending it and hoping to get some 
honest opinions and suggestions, especially from those of you who have been 
interested in and working with Sugarizer and those of you who are candidates 
for the Sugar Labs Oversight Board.


I look forward to a discussion about how we could best make something like this 
happen to bring the magic of Sugar to children everywhere.


Caryl



From: Caryl Bigenho on behalf of Caryl Bigenho 
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 9:51:32 PM
To: iaep; Adam Holt; Walter Bender; Samson Goddy; Shameer Verma; Lionel Laske; 
Laura Vargas; igna...@sugarlabs.org; Tony Anderson; James Cameron; Rosa; José 
Miguel García; Gonzalo Odiard
Subject: Sugarizer1° Revisited

Hello All,

I think somewhere some of the people of SugarLabs have “lost their way.” When I 
joined the OLPC support-gang nearly ten years ago and, later, Sugar Labs I was 
excited by the concept of bringing collaborative, constructionism to children’s 
learning all over the world. Later, as the XOs were no longer readily 
available, Lionel’s idea of “Sugar on any device” promised an exciting way that 
this could still actually happen.

Now, I am seeing an attempt by a few individuals to usurp all this and drive 
the program to just a few chosen areas. I believe this is wrong! I believe this 
should be a world-wide movement to improve education of children everywhere! I 
also believe many of you agree with me.

A couple of summers ago I proposed, via a motion, a project that I felt would 
help fulfill that original vision of bringing the magic of learning with Sugar 
to children all over the world. It addressed what have been some of the 
weaknesses in prior projects… principally not meeting the perceived needs of 
children, parents and teachers. Without doing that (which was done, 
masterfully, in Uruguay), Sugar just won’t get used. The prospective users have 
to want to use it. They have to see it as the powerful educational tool that it 
is.

My proposed project would start small, with a special version of Sugarizer 
designed just for children in the first 2 or 3 years of school. It would begin 
with a survey of students and teachers in Uruguay who had used Sugar Activities 
in the Project Ceibal program. After finding a small number of favorite 
Activities, say ten to twelve, the first version would be produced in both 
Spanish and English. It would be called Sugarizer1°, or Sugarizer Primero 
because it would be designed especially for children in the "primary grades".

When the first versions were ready, they would be tested by children, teachers, 
and parents using all sorts of devices. Surveys to find favorite Activities 
would be done. Ways to use them with classroom lessons would be found. Ways to 
enhance learning at home would be found. Fun things to do with Sugar as a 
family would be found. Documentation of all this would be made universally 
available online. Versions in other languages would be added at this point. 
French would be logical then possibly Hindi, Arabic, and Chinese. Other smaller 
language groups could also be served such as Haitian Creole, Aymara, and the 
like.

For the regular Release Candidate, an energetic “Marketing campaign” would be 
needed with Sugar Labs volunteers going to all sorts of educational and open 
source fairs and conferences, presenting at teacher education institutions, and 
the like. Getting some of the teachers, students, and parents from the beta 
testing stage to write articles, blogs, and the like about their experiences 
would help. Some travel expenses might be incurred and some stipends for 
writers might be appropriate.

As you can see in the paragraph above, many of these steps should cost money. 
For example, a coordinating teacher in Uruguay should be paid to conduct the 
studies there (logically this would be Rosamel Ramirez). Possibly educators who 
work for us as documentation writers should be paid. Etc. Etc. Etc.

This proposal needs lots of work. It did 2 summers ago and it still does. If 
others tell me they also feel that the Magic of Sugar should be for children 
everywhere, I’ll proceed to produce a good formal motion to the board. If there 
is no interest, I won’t waste any more time on it (planning and writing this 
would take many hours of thought, research, and discussion with other Sugar 
Labs members).

What do you all think???

Caryl

P.S. the logo for Sugarizer1° would still be the cute little XO man! He is 
recognized by people all over the world and thus has lots of value as a 
marketing tool. It would be foolish to replace him with anything else.
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