[IAEP] Where to find survey about future of Sugar labs goals (outside facebook)
Hi list, A week ago appeared on my facebook a survey for what should be the future goals of Sugar labs. I'm currently trying to detach myself from facebook, but since I'd like to respond to it, I was wondering if that survey is or will be available somewhere else. Thanks (and good luck with all of your efforts!) Eduardo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Bill Gates Says Tablets Aren't Much Help In Education
012/6/27 Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com: And add a stylus so they can draw as well as fingerpaint, and guess what you would have ... Finally, the Dynabook is here! :)) Eduardo Cheers, Alan From: Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com To: Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com Cc: IAEP iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 4:53 AM Subject: Re: [IAEP] Bill Gates Says Tablets Aren't Much Help In Education On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Finally I can claim to be agreement with Bill Gates about something: And just in time for MS to announce that they too are making a tablet :P With a keyboard Good point. I give them kudos for that. I've never seen anyone use an iPad productively without a keyboard. -walter -walter Just giving people devices has a really horrible track record. You really have to change the curriculum and the teacher. And it's never going to work on a device where you don't have a keyboard-type input. Students aren't there just to read things. They're actually supposed to be able to write and communicate. And so it's going to be more in the PC realm—it's going to be a low-cost PC that lets them be highly interactive. Full interview: http://chronicle.com/article/A-Conversation-With-Bill-Gates/132591/ Slashdot commentary: http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/06/26/1946211/bill-gates-says-tablets-arent-much-help-in-education -- _ // Bernie Innocenti \X/ http://codewiz.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Bill Gates Says Tablets Aren't Much Help In Education
2012/6/27 Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com: And add a stylus so they can draw as well as fingerpaint, and guess what you would have ... How not to have kids loose their stylus? Put them in a string? Have them lock in the tablet magnetically? Eduardo Cheers, Alan From: Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com To: Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com Cc: IAEP iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 4:53 AM Subject: Re: [IAEP] Bill Gates Says Tablets Aren't Much Help In Education On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Finally I can claim to be agreement with Bill Gates about something: And just in time for MS to announce that they too are making a tablet :P With a keyboard Good point. I give them kudos for that. I've never seen anyone use an iPad productively without a keyboard. -walter -walter Just giving people devices has a really horrible track record. You really have to change the curriculum and the teacher. And it's never going to work on a device where you don't have a keyboard-type input. Students aren't there just to read things. They're actually supposed to be able to write and communicate. And so it's going to be more in the PC realm—it's going to be a low-cost PC that lets them be highly interactive. Full interview: http://chronicle.com/article/A-Conversation-With-Bill-Gates/132591/ Slashdot commentary: http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/06/26/1946211/bill-gates-says-tablets-arent-much-help-in-education -- _ // Bernie Innocenti \X/ http://codewiz.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Revisiting Read Activity default font
No dia 26 de Abril de 2012 23:35, Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org escreveu: Hi list, I will try to wrap an interesting discussion that has arisen today on IRC. We talked about a better default font for our e-book reader, Read activity, and the possibility to add a new feature to change that font (in the activity itself or as a system setting). Obviously not for landing in this cycle, we have a lot of pending things to do, but would be nice to keep trac on this if there is some consensus. I'm cc'ing Guillermo Espertino, professional free software designer, and Dave Crossland, font consultor at Google Webfonts, who also participated. Please answer to all because they may not be in sugar-devel mailing list. So, the current default is DejaVu LGC Serif. HoboPrimate suggested Century Schoolbook L as a better font. Guillermo said to me that Gentium Book would be the ideal. But Gonzalo, current Read maintainer, said that he has intentions to move to Sans. Now I understand that Serif fonts are being used in books more because of historical reasons, and that we should think what would be better for children. He also pointed that teachers ask for a hand-writting font, and that there are special fonts designed for dyslexic people. Finally, Dave pointed us to http://kidstype.org and the Fabula typeface. Looks interesting indeed. -- .. manuq .. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel I took some screenshots of Read reading and Epub document with 4 of the 5 fonts mentioned above (on a normal laptop): http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Proposals/Fonts_For_Reading Eduardo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] FW: Need Sources of Images for FotoToon
No dia 23 de Abril de 2012 14:14, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com escreveu: Hi Guys... Looks like this won't go through with the attached image, so I removed it. Too bad! I can't wait fro a moderator to check it... I meed answers! Thanks, Caryl From: cbige...@hotmail.com To: support-g...@laptop.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Need Sources of Images for FotoToon Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:26:23 -0700 Hi Folks, I'm working on the FotoToon chapter for the help Activity refresh. it's a great little program (sorry, Activity) and I'm really enjoying playing around with it. My sample chapter uses photos imported via usb from my camera. I'll attach my sample project, just for fun. I would like to be able to list which Activities can generate images in png or tiff or jpg, or whatever to import to FotoToon (if it can be viewed in Image Viewer, it can be imported). If you are familiar with some of the Activities and know that they can export images, please send a short note, with instructions for doing it so I can learn how. Screen shots don't count because they show the menu bars, etc. (unless you know an easy way to remove them with an XO). You can crop out the toolbar in screenshots with Paint. Click on the Select area icon, then drag a box leaving out the toolbar. Then copy the selection (Ctrl+c or using the Edit toolbar), and in the clipboard, choose Keep in the new clipping's palette. Ed helped me with the photo shoot. I tried to keep the sample foods ones that would have a wide international recognition (while trying to minimize brand names) … also the red-checked cloth and the plain white plates can be found many places around the world. I also plan to upload the photos separately so that translators can use them when the manual gets localzed. Thanks, Caryl P.S. When we were done with the shoot… we ate the props! P.P.S. I notice no one has signed on to do a text help chapter for the Record Activity. Is there anyone out there who can pick it up? It is a core Activity that really needs to be covered well. If you would like to sign up... you know the drill. Here is the link to the Table of Contents (TOC): http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Help_Activity_refresh/TOC ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] fund raising opportunity
Just wondering, what about kickstarter.com? It has recently reached 3 million dollars for the developing of a particularly niche style of game (point and click adventure). I wonder if people would give the same support for the development of a sugar 1.0. Eduardo No dia 16 de Março de 2012 13:43, Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at escreveu: Similarly I just stumbled across the UNESCO King Hamad Bin Isa Al-Khalifa Prize for the Use of ICTs in Education which might also be of interest to some people/projects here: http://www.unescobkk.org/education/ict/online-resources/databases/ict-in-education-database/item/article/icts-in-education-prize-call-for-nominations-6/ Cheers, Christoph On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Manusheel Gupta m...@laptop.org wrote: FYI. Might be useful. --- The Motorola Mobility Foundation, the philanthropic arm of Motorola Mobility, is accepting applications for the 2012 Empowerment Grants, a funding program designed to help United States-based nonprofit organizations develop mobile applications and use mobile technology that will help transform and benefit the communities they serve. The program addresses four areas of focus — education, health and wellness, community, and arts and culture. Successful applications must demonstrate the ways that digital, mobile, and social technology can be used to further a nonprofit organization’s mission. Examples include producing a crowd-sourcing site for community resource mapping, creating a digital storytelling application that captures oral histories of a community, developing a resource for social media use to further engage volunteers, and using new ideas of “gamefication in education” to engage students. The total amount of funding for the Empowerment Grants program is $500,000; the program will fund approximately twenty grants. The average grant size is $25,000. After March 1, organizations can visit www.cybergrants.com/motorolamobility/empowermentgrants to apply. Visit the Motorola Mobility Foundation Web site for complete program information and application procedures: http://responsibility.motorola.com/index.php/society/emp ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] contributor, TechnikBasteln [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Bulletin Boards
I think it never passed the idea phase, i.e., no planning or code (almost certain, but I'm not that involved in the project, just noticed that you had no answer yet). Eduardo No dia 12 de Março de 2012 00:11, Sridhar Dhanapalan srid...@laptop.org.au escreveu: We have recently started work on a new activity, which we called Noteboard [1]. I have since discovered that there is a very similar concept mentioned in the Sugar HIG, Bulletin Boards [2]. Is this idea implemented anywhere? I don't want us duplicating effort. If it doesn't exist, does anyone have any advice on how we can approach this? Thanks, Sridhar [1] https://dev.laptop.org.au/issues/634 [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Laptop_Experience/Bulletin_Boards Sridhar Dhanapalan Engineering Manager One Laptop per Child Australia ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] A video presentation of hackety hack and programming for kids
Oops, just noticed that I forgot to give the link: ART CODE Symposium: Hackety Hack, why the lucky stiff http://vimeo.com/5047563 No dia 31 de Janeiro de 2012 22:57, Eduardo H. Silva hoboprim...@gmail.com escreveu: I just saw this video today, entitled ART CODE Symposium: Hackety Hack, why the lucky stiff and I think the presenter had some very interesting ideas and comments. He created the http://tryruby.org website and Hackety Hack ( http://hackety.com/ ) program to teach programming in Ruby to kids and novice computer users. Eduardo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] A video presentation of hackety hack and programming for kids
I just saw this video today, entitled ART CODE Symposium: Hackety Hack, why the lucky stiff and I think the presenter had some very interesting ideas and comments. He created the http://tryruby.org website and Hackety Hack ( http://hackety.com/ ) program to teach programming in Ruby to kids and novice computer users. Eduardo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Creation Kit pages on the wiki are strange-first message with held do to commands
Sorry, been forgetting to reply to the list as well. On 01/19/2012 04:01 PM, Eduardo H. Silva wrote: James, but the thing is, everything needs rewriting, not just some words or phrases. Thomas, what you just explained isn't what is in the wiki. Also, in another page linked from the main Sugar Creation Kit page: To clear Sugar of these keys and the name and color entries, enter the command rm ~ rf /.sugar This of course deletes the journal as well. It also says on the next line: - *To reset only the ssh keys*, in order to keep the Journal and installed .xo Activities, use (rm ~/.sugar/default/owner.key*) in the Sugar Terminal, and then shutdown sugar (su shutdown -h now). This leaves the Journal entries and removes only the previous Learner's identity key files Then why include the first instruction? It deletes the Journal. Eduardo I have changed the colored bar instructions on all web pages and added a Summary section from the previous e-mail to the tutorial drag-drop. Cordially; Tom Gilliard satellit_ I appreciate all feedback so that the wiki works better. Thanks Eduardo 2012/1/19 Thomas C Gilliard satel...@bendbroadband.com satel...@bendbroadband.com: On 01/19/2012 02:25 PM, Eduardo H. Silva wrote: Take one example: Exporting/Importing files from the sugar-journal with Drag-Drop with a 2nd USB-stick. And it even doesn't show how to do that. Eduardo: I do not understand why you think this. A brief synopsis of the process: 1)You need a 2nd USB-stick inserted in a USB slot before you begin. 2)Click on the journal icon under the XO Avitar in f3 (Home) screen. 3)move the mouse cursor to the center of the screen. 4)In the left bottom of the sugar screen will be 2 USB icons - Journal - 2nd USB 5)click on the file in the journal listing that pops up when you click on the icon in the left bottom corner; and hold down the mouse as you drag the entry to the 2nd USB Icon next to it on the bottom left corner. 6) release the mouse button when you are over the 2nd USB Icon and a + will appear. This is a Drag-Drop export to the 2nd USB-stick Import to Sugar Journal is done just the opposite way: 1) click on a picture or .xo file on the 2nd USB that pops up when you click on the icon in the left bottom corner. 2) drag it with the mouse to the journal icon in the bottom left corner. A + will appear as it is added to the journal. When you go to (f3) Home Screen and click on the journal the new item will be in the journal. Plus if it was an activity.xo file It will be installed. (The drag-drop process in sugar does a hidden conversion of the journal files to ones that will work on a USB. It seems to be the only way to do an import/export in Sugar.) Cordially Tom Gilliard satellit_ Eduardo ___ Sugar-devel mailing listSugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.orghttp://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-02-24
2009/2/24 Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com: `snip` 5. Christian Marc Schmidt has been making great progress on the new static website (See http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com/projects/sugarlabs/betasite). We are still seeking more screenshots of the work of children using Sugar, i.e., authentic Sugar images. I find the menu which pops-up a bit confusing, took me a while to figure it out. Cant it be made as spread out menu along the top of the webpage, like its usually done in other websites? A first class `toolbar` of options, and beneath them the sub-options of the clicked option. Other than that, loved the cartoons (although a bit scary with all those sharks around), but definitelly inspiring. Eduardo === Tech Talk === 6. Lionel Laské has been looking into the use of Mono as a Sugar resource, opening up to us the .NET community. Please see his post, “Mono on Sugar for dummies”, on the French .NET community site (http://www.techheadbrothers.com/Articles.aspx/developper-mono-xo). 7. S. Page, in reminding us, Don't bet against the browser, posted a link to a Pippy-like tool for Javascript (See http://billmill.org/static/canvastutorial/). 8. Sascha Silbe finally managed to get Linux working on his phone, so he couldn't resist installing Sugar (See http://sascha.silbe.org/photos/dsc04708.jpg, http://sascha.silbe.org/photos/dsc04709.jpg, http://sascha.silbe.org/photos/dsc04710.jpg, and http://sascha.silbe.org/photos/dsc04711.jpg). Sascha says, No, it isn't really usable - only 64MB of physical RAM means swapping ~30MB to SD just to start Sugar (no activities running). Sugar isn't touchscreen-compatible as well (there are no plain movements, just clicks and drags). But it looks great. === Sugar Labs === 9. Gary Martin has generated another SOM from the past week of discussion on the IAEP mailing list (Please see http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Image:2009-February-14-20-som.jpg). -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] design team meeting (And finding a new regular time)
I'd love to atttend the meeting, please warn ahead of time when it will be (oh, and don't forget to mention the UTC time). Eduardo 2009/2/20 Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com: Hi there Why don't we start by getting a day on the calendar for a regular design meeting. How is Saturday at 11am? Does that work for everyone? We may need to start next week, on the 27th, since Eben is traveling... Christian On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 22:18, Eben Eliason e...@laptop.org wrote: I wasn't available for a meeting today, so that's partially my fault. I'm trying to get back into the swing of things, though, and actually had the chance to meet with Christian today regarding starting up regular design meetings again. As our work on Sugar will be voluntary, we both feel that selecting a time on the weekends (or perhaps late evening, though naturally timezone complicates this) may allow us to attend regularly as we'd like to. Would this work for others with interest? What days/times would be most suitable for everyone? Weekends are not as good for me, but I definitely will be able to attend some. Apart from Josh, Eduardo (HoboPrimate) is back giving us awesome usability feedback and Gary is stepping up his contributions even more by doing icons for Sugar. So we need to organize a bit all this new energy that is coming into the design area ;) See you soon, Tomeu +1, there is definitely a lot of energy. Weekend is currently not as optimal for me neither, but I am sure we can find ways to communicate the outcome from those meetings tomeu or I can not attend. Might be worth anyhow - since we are an in time and space distributed crowd. /me is so happy to see Sugar Labs progress on all fronts each day. Thanks! Simon -- anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com 917/ 575 0013 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Resp.: [Sugar-devel] resume by default
I agree with this change. And I think it is a good idea to then make the fresh instance alert go away. This way, if a user commonly uses an activitiy which he doesn't bother to name or describe, he keeps using the same activity instance, thus not cluttering the journal. Eduardo 2009/2/19, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: Hi all, as you may know, we recently added a change to the favorites view that makes easier to resume existing instances instead of always launching new ones. This option is disabled by default and users need to go to a palette and guess what that checkbox serves for. We added that option because the feature was experimental, but now some feel it may be appropriate to make it the only option, because if not the naming alert gets quite annoying in some cases. So, who agrees and who disagrees with changing the favorite view to resume activities by default? Thanks, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.84 Release Candidate 1 (0.83.5)
Will the details icon remain as it is? It resembles a Play button. I think it would be better if the Resume icon used this Play icon, and the details icon used the [...] idea (black box with 3 white lines). I think it would make these options more intuitive to grasp. Eduardo 2009/2/17 Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com: On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:28:40AM -0800, S Page wrote: (I cc'd the sugarlabs lists for repliers but am not on them.) Simon Schampijer wrote: Dear Sugar Community, This is Release Candidate 1 for the upcoming 0.84 Release - see [1] for more details. Only two more weeks to go in this release cycle. Please test this release How? I have an XO-1 with developer key. I hope you find an answer; I have the same situation and question. Yesterday I used http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/xoimages/ to put soas3.img and soas3.crc on an SD card and used copy-nand to install that on my XO. Plenty of rough edges but it's a recent sugar: # rpm -q sugar sugar-0.83.6-1.fc10.i386 =S Page Martin ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
