Re: [IAEP] dealing with mailing lists
On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 08:20 -0500, Luke Faraone wrote: On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 03:14, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: On 01/12/2010 08:55 PM, Marten Vijn wrote: - I got cc'ed halfway a thread - some mail are 4-5 times (cc'ing / crossposting) Your mail client doesn't collate mails with similiar content and identical Message-IDs? Maybe Gmail has me spoiled, but I'm sure there are ways in other clients... Hmm, some people do cc people to highlight specific persons some do remove cc and only post to the list to keep traffic low. We should at least have a guideline about it, otherwise you can not rely on a constant income-stream. I for one like it when people use Cc:. If I'm CC'd to an email that is relevant to me, I'm more likely to see it and respond to it. -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- http://www.voedselbankleiden.nl needs your help! http://martenvijn.nl http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ http://opencommunitycamp.org OCC 2010 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] dealing with mailing lists
On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 17:58 +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Hi, this message is to share my concern with the fact that people that could play a very important role in Sugar Labs have expressed their inability to read and participate on any of our mailing lists. Any ideas about what we could do here? Is Walter's Community Newsletter enough? What about when we know that their feedback is needed? Well a lot email is hard to read for me: - I find a lot sentences / abbreviations hard to read - top posting - subjects no changing with the topic - I got cc'ed halfway a thread - some mail are 4-5 times (cc'ing / crossposting) So I know I miss messages where I could serve. My suggestions (not much news): - no top posting - reply to list (less cc's) - less lists / crossposting - no me too responces - avoid abbreviations - use simple to understand English Actually I am at the point to unsubscribe from most sugarlab mailinglists to keep my inbox more free for other projects. Generally if don't respond in less than 24 hours I may assume that missed the email. 2ct Marten I would also like to suggest to those colleagues who are subscribed to the mailing lists but are not being able to keep up with them regularly, to set up a rule in their mail client that highlights those emails that include their addresses in CC or that mention their names. This is a simple step that will allow them to keep up with the subjects they care most about without forcing them to peruse all emails in all mailing lists. Regards, Tomeu -- http://www.voedselbankleiden.nl needs your help! http://martenvijn.nl http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ http://opencommunitycamp.org OCC 2010 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Systems] 11s ap's
On Sun, 2009-09-27 at 12:24 -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: [this is off-topic on systems@, moving to i...@] El Mon, 21-09-2009 a las 09:35 +0200, Marten Vijn escribió: FreeBSD 8.0 shipping 802.11s support. Do they say anything about scalability? Yes, it does not. But for some reason people seem to want mesh. snip Currently it loses ~50% bandwidth per hop, like most layer 2 or 3 based mesh networks. I do have the hardware to setup a 20+ node grid for testing. So now I really would need the time ti set it up and get some data. cheers, Marten -- this email is sent from my mainframe. http://martenvijn.nlSugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/The Network Event Kit http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] 2 idea's to train people dyslexia
On Mon, 2009-09-21 at 12:17 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 09:56, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 09:34 +0200, Marten Vijn wrote: Hi, I am not a dyslexia expert, maybe a bit more that average. idea 1 Today I read in a newspaper that it helps people to let them hear what they (words not the characters). __^ type* *Actually I do knwo a lot about dyslexia, like that is really annoying not being capable to write normal emails without make errors. No patches seem to be availible. Training young kids _in time_ prevents a lot frustration, dropouts from school and waste of very creative talented kids. My son would have a 50% change of being born with it too. So having having a good educational toolset seems important. Wonder if we could involve on this an existing dyslexia organization? good idea. http://books.google.nl/books?id=pLvC1kKUWTkCpg=PA47lpg=PA47dq=audio +feedback +dyslexiasource=blots=iMn_I_8efusig=CQhPMzM15_twYh43WTSbKP6qbmMhl=nlei=DlO3Sru8KI_E-QavmsXcCQsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=5#v=onepageq=f=false http://www.springerlink.com/content/r33873h07n78j722/ mmm, I 'll keep it on my list for dutch researchers. Not If I will to sucseed. I never know who am talking to tomorrow :) cheers, Marten Regards, Tomeu cheers Marten -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] 2 idea's to train people dyslexia
Hi Marilyn, What would your feature list be on a small (linux driven) laptop in addition to mine? - audiofeedback (hear what you type (per word basis)) - adapted lessons (multilanguage) for tipptrainer http://freshmeat.net/projects/pingos_tipptrainer/ - may something thats enlarges the cursor area and obviously: - spelling checker (fix/highlight while typing) - large font buttons thanks, Marten On Mon, 2009-09-21 at 09:40 -0500, David Farning wrote: Marten, I would like to introduce you to Marilyn Hagle (CCed). She is active at the intersection of dyslexia and technology based education tools. She has recently written a grant to set up a pilot for researching and using sugar as a platform for helping kids overcome or adapt to their dyslexia. david On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 5:37 AM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On Mon, 2009-09-21 at 12:17 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 09:56, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 09:34 +0200, Marten Vijn wrote: Hi, I am not a dyslexia expert, maybe a bit more that average. idea 1 Today I read in a newspaper that it helps people to let them hear what they (words not the characters). __^ type* *Actually I do knwo a lot about dyslexia, like that is really annoying not being capable to write normal emails without make errors. No patches seem to be availible. Training young kids _in time_ prevents a lot frustration, dropouts from school and waste of very creative talented kids. My son would have a 50% change of being born with it too. So having having a good educational toolset seems important. Wonder if we could involve on this an existing dyslexia organization? good idea. http://books.google.nl/books?id=pLvC1kKUWTkCpg=PA47lpg=PA47dq=audio +feedback +dyslexiasource=blots=iMn_I_8efusig=CQhPMzM15_twYh43WTSbKP6qbmMhl=nlei=DlO3Sru8KI_E-QavmsXcCQsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=5#v=onepageq=f=false http://www.springerlink.com/content/r33873h07n78j722/ mmm, I 'll keep it on my list for dutch researchers. Not If I will to sucseed. I never know who am talking to tomorrow :) cheers, Marten Regards, Tomeu cheers Marten -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- this email is sent from my mainframe. http://martenvijn.nlSugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/The Network Event Kit http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] 2 idea's to train people dyslexia
Hi, I am not a dyslexia expert, maybe a bit more that average. idea 1 Today I read in a newspaper that it helps people to let them hear what they (words not the characters). People made commerial software for and improved really the performance of kids. idea 2 typetrainers (learning to type with 10 fingers) tend to teach character by character . Teaching by words would be way better since people use the word image (not the character by character scanning) idea 3 I combination of 1 and 2 maybe creates new use cases in developed countrys like mine. A remix of speak (like a always on button) would do a major job I think 2ct Marten -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] 2 idea's to train people dyslexia
On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 09:34 +0200, Marten Vijn wrote: Hi, I am not a dyslexia expert, maybe a bit more that average. idea 1 Today I read in a newspaper that it helps people to let them hear what they (words not the characters). __^ type* *Actually I do knwo a lot about dyslexia, like that is really annoying not being capable to write normal emails without make errors. No patches seem to be availible. Training young kids _in time_ prevents a lot frustration, dropouts from school and waste of very creative talented kids. My son would have a 50% change of being born with it too. So having having a good educational toolset seems important. cheers Marten -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] OLPC/Sugar on OpenCommunityCamp
On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 21:37 +0200, Marten Vijn wrote: Last news from occ http://opencommunitycamp.org/2009/?q=node/46 There will be no formal track in the evening program. However during the day program there will enough time for sessions for Sugar and OLPC related themes. Kind regards, Marten Dear All, Inspired by Lionel, I would like to make place for OLPC/Sugar on OpenCommunityCamp. The Camp will be from July 26th till 2nd August in the Netherlands (20 from Schiphol Airport AMS) We can have 6 day's of work and fun together. Since I am in facilitating in core organization, responsible for the evening program and other track and doing parts of the content (*BSD/XO-repairing). To have this working out I need the help of one or two people who can take a lead in the program. So get this working please let me know whether this is interesting. A no fine too and save me time. Ofcourse I do prefer a yes of some people. The current evening track has interesting talks already. During tree day's there is also a Drupal training. More info: http://opencommunitycamp.org evening track: http://opencommunitycamp.org/2009/?q=node/15 Thanks, Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Open-Mesh.com
On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 11:08 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 02:01, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: I am at a talk on Open Mesh as a low cost solution for schools. Are people here familiar with this? http://open-mesh.com/store/ Will local collaboration work with Open Mesh? Will it work per AP just like other wireless solutions or will it collaborate across the mesh devices? From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link-local_address, Salut (sugar collaboration without a server) will work between machines in the same segment of a local network or a point-to-point link. If it will work in some of their setups, it's them to answer. Btw, the term mesh is very general, so we should avoid using it if it's not clear from the context to what we are referring to. in more detail: - radio-mesh (layer 1-2) known as 802.11s - ip-mesh (layer 2-3). known as olsr / B.A.T.M.A.N and derified routing protocols (google for freifunk and furerfunk) In your case: Open-Mesh.com a based on B.A.T.M.A.N. see http://www.blogin.it/ Generally they use adhoc-mode on the wifi-card with is not supported well on all cards. Large networks seem to break. It works better in a city wide lan rather than classroom based. (based on experiances of freifunk) XO's have 802.11s. http://www.open80211s.org/ is working on a opensource implenmentation. OLSR / B.A.T.M.A.N. can work on Sugar if the networkcard supports adhoc IHMO: Both are not really usable for high performance wifi like a class room. FYI: I am building a wifi benchmark setup. http://bsd.wifisoft.org/trac/wiki/wireless_benchmark Currently a am testing FreeBSD access points (homebrew). Soon as I have a base line, I can test some Fon, Linksys and other boxes. In time more testing materials (accesspoints) are welcome. P.s I have send an email to saxnet to get info about their type of mesh, but did not hear of them jet. kind regards, Marten Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Open-Mesh.com
On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 12:59 +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:13:55PM +0200, Marten Vijn wrote: Generally they use adhoc-mode on the wifi-card with is not supported well on all cards. Do you know this for sure for OpenMesh? no I don't, (I don't have the hardware nor did I test it) The word Generally implies so. But a referral on thier website: https://www.open-mesh.com/store/categories.php?category=Who-is-%22Open% 252dMesh%22%3F refeers to ROBIN not to 802.11s http://www.blogin.it/ Further ip-mesh has to be done in ad-hoc modus to have egal peers. Building a wifi network infrastrucure would not be a mesh. But aslo would allow dynanic (routing with B.A.T.M.A.N / Robin / olsr / lvrouted / ospf) They use the Atheros chipset with multiple network interfaces (ath0..ath2) in Linux and always use the acronym AP when they talk about client-side network interfaces (it's an infrastructure mesh). Unless use 11s you can't have an infastrasture mesh. Infrastructure means a master and a client. In mesh you have equal peers. Atheros depends on a hardware abstraction layer. Depending on this it can do monitoring / client / ad-hoc /master. For client mode you can substitute infrastructure/managed For master mode you can substitute hostap / ap. Then there are possible combinations 11b/g/a and maybe s/n. ip-mesg (olsr) ends after 5 hops (20% per hop loss, not usable traffic after 5 hops). 29$ (US version) / 39$ (EU version) for a mesh-capable (even if just layer 3), open source powered AP (including an ethernet interface in each device) sure seems like a bargain. Maybe you some free ones from FON, create a benchmark (dbs). Anyway, I have a FON board and will come with test results later for bridging-mode :) I don't have high expectations for ip-mesh nor from radio-mesg. So even if open-Mesh has 802.11s I would not use in class. cheers Marten CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] 3700 download
On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 18:43 -0500, David Farning wrote: A quick grep of the logfiles show over 3700 downloads of soas-strawberry.iso from the primary download site. About 3 pm eastern time we added European mirrors so we don't have a complete count. http://ftp.nluug.nl/.statistics/200906/html/public.html I am asking for stats on the second one. I think most of our download server problems were related to memory. If cacheboy comes oneline we will a globall mirroring system. We will do a full debrief in a few days. Solarsail, the primary static and wiki server, held up like a champ. Not a bad day. nice ! Marten david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [Sugar-devel] picked up by [some media]
On Thu, 2009-06-25 at 11:40 +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:33:58AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Does anyone else feel it's too much information? While the information itself is interesting and useful, a more digest-like mode of dissipation would be appreciated, e.g. one mail per day. or list them on the wiki, good for cross references (google points) and optionally subscribe to this page to get updates. Marten CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Introducing kids to Sugar
On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 16:28 +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: There's a possibility for a class of five graders in Florence to pilot SoaS next year. Our friends of OLPC Italia came up with a good question: how would an introductory class for Sugar work in practice? Both teachers and kids will be present to learn simultaneously, which makes things more interesting. Who actually went through such experience already? How was the class organized? What materials were used? And, more importantly, ware there any issues to watch out for? 1. Outside a class a introduced XO's a group of 6 kids. I used a freeform (no structure). Kids when to youtube and hyves and both sites did not work. Kids got frustrated of the XO's slowness. 2. I an class with only one XO we told the teacher let kids play as a bonus and ask afterward what they discovered. Here the kid like the XO a lot. My recommondation would are: guide form: - no internet first time - make groups with tasks - let childeren tell their experiance - Let the teacher not to be in charge off the class (take over control) - short time (one hour max) - make clear choise what to discover, - have goals per session (measuring succes) or if use free form: - no internet - limited time - no questions for teacher or guiders. - no active interventions, - no active observation, (do sometime else). - afterwards let kids tell - what not worked - what worked 2ct, Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Cheap User Testing (via Steve Krug)
On Sat, 2009-05-23 at 11:24 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Hi, Mike Fletcher writes a brief summary of a testing technique that I think could bring good insight about how Sugar is used. I think it could help with both discoverability (new users) and usability (day to day usage). http://blog.vrplumber.com/index.php?/archives/2335-Cheap-User-Testing-via-Steve-Krug.html nice ! It very close do with DBBG - download - burn - boot - Give Feedback For 8 people I asked, after 4 days: - 2 not heard from again (I will ask later) - 1 I asked status = burned but not booted jet. - 1 I asked status He opinion: - maybe 3rd world but not here, - can't find the wifi settings. - Abiword is too limited Maye I should add tasks like, - Getting language settings - Getting wifi/network to work - Like browsing http://sugarlabs.org - opening a chat - more? More findings: - asking in 1:1 setting very effective - asking in chat setting rather effective - asking by email = not really working - asking to mailinglist = not working kind regards, Marten Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] monitoring mirrors
Hi all, I would like to monitor the mirrors sites to keep track on them. I am not sure if than a standard way to track mirror. Else would like to have something like this in the crontab of the master: 1 * * * * www date +%D-%T /data_dir/timeflag.txt Assuming www is a valid user Having this gives us possibility to keep track on working failing mirror. I a willing to do so meself, but would require access. (pub_key included) thanks, Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August id_rsa.pub Description: application/ssh-key ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] Usage scenarios for Sugar?
On Fri, 2009-05-22 at 20:03 +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Hi everyone, we have been contacted by a monthly tech publication in Europe willing to devote several pages to Sugar in their summer issue! More specifically, advising parents how to download run SoaS and do educational stuff with their kids during the summer holidays. Off the top of my head I suggested a scenario where Memorize is customized with family photos, a Turtle Art lesson, ... Suggestions please! - a custom image with a jabebr config for german-holyday-jabber-server - feedb...@sugarlabs.org form - cd image in the distribution - collect holiday story's of kids in dailymotion / wiki - German Language as default - collect emailadresses for longterm support - 3g support - static version of dailymotion / german wikipedia on usb-drive - photo/story contest. - Having SugarCamp(ings) (Opencommunitycamp :) ) just 2ct, Marten thanks Sean ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Dutch mirror
Hi all, A first mirror is live: ftp://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/software/sugarlabs/ as return favor this link http://www.snt.utwente.nl/ should be mentioned on our site It sync every 24 hours, and have limited to 25G Kind regards, Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Dutch mirror
Hi All, I expect more mirror sites soon. So may we should have a mirror list on the wiki like: || full / limited || ftp/http || link || party || Shall I create one ? thanks, Marten On Thu, 2009-05-21 at 22:57 +0200, Marten Vijn wrote: Hi all, A first mirror is live: ftp://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/software/sugarlabs/ as return favor this link http://www.snt.utwente.nl/ should be mentioned on our site It sync every 24 hours, and have limited to 25G Kind regards, Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] Dutch mirror
On Thu, 2009-05-21 at 17:50 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: This is great work. Thanks. On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: Hi All, I expect more mirror sites soon. So may we should have a mirror list on the wiki like: || full / limited || ftp/http || link || party || Shall I create one ? Please do so. Here it is http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Mirrors Kind Regards, Marten -walter -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 11:23 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 20:45, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 20:35 +0200, David Van Assche wrote: me too, shall we take a practical approach and suggest some locations? My current focus in the Netherlands, preferable in Leiden if machine needs to be setup. If a have opportunities (aboard) I 'll let you know, I guess we should contact the organizations (universitites, telecoms, etc) that are already mirroring linux distros and other FOSS projects? Yes, currently on my list: - university of twente - nluug (proffessial unix user group) - xs4all.nl (ISP) These are already mirroing *BSD's / GNU-Linux's and more floss projects. cheers Marten It may be a first contact that leads to other collaboration in the future. Regards, Tomeu cheers, Marten David (nubae) Van Assche On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 16:46 +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: On 05/19/09 13:51, Walter Bender wrote: Maybe we can find a time in the next few days to all meet on IRC to discuss this? CC'ng Bernie as he is most familiar with the SL infrastructure. Unfortunately, both the main download site and the mirror are located in Boston, so they're both going to be slow for people on the other side of the world. oke, I 'll am going to look European mirrors Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 11:32 +0200, Sean DALY wrote: here's a list of VLC mirrors: in progress Twente University (Netherlands) - nluugg - xs4all.nl new on my list: LeaseWeb (Netherlands) next on my List CacheBoy (Netherlands) next on my List - Tiscali.nl Also: Currently in now infrastructure if we get a yes, - should I handover contacts or - become a part of infra. My preference is the the first (unless there is an extreme short of hands) I do work as unix sysadmin. :) cheers Marten ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 12:27 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:21, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 11:32 +0200, Sean DALY wrote: here's a list of VLC mirrors: in progress Twente University (Netherlands) - nluugg - xs4all.nl new on my list: LeaseWeb (Netherlands) next on my List CacheBoy (Netherlands) next on my List - Tiscali.nl Also: Currently in now infrastructure if we get a yes, - should I handover contacts or - become a part of infra. My preference is the the first (unless there is an extreme short of hands) I do work as unix sysadmin. :) Yeah, we are quite short of hands in our infrastructure team and it's an area in which we need to spread responsibilities in a redundant way, so IMO it would be great to have you there. right then, I would like a mentor. For mentor I expect: - willing to spend time to make me find me way in the currunt servers /services. - teaching me good admin behaviour - willing to correct my mistakes I have to offer: - new ideas - finding / discussing better solutions - limited time (but in other timezone) - take mentorship later on. Current Knowledge: - FreeBSD, Debian, Ubuntu - ip/tcp, routing,failover (carp), puppet, apache, mail,mailman - bash and a bit of ruby - Decion making (Jarkta voting on so) cheers Marten Thanks, Tomeu cheers Marten -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 12:27 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:21, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 11:32 +0200, Sean DALY wrote: here's a list of VLC mirrors: in progress Twente University (Netherlands) My first candidate has some questions: How much space is needed? should clean up: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/1/ http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/ or do we really want a fully mirror, How we provide an rsync script to rsync a limited set? Can some do a du -hd 1 of du -hs in pub_dir to show me the size of the mirror ? 2. may we let people sync from the second mirror to free the master site a bit. Currently rsync can be done only from download@ but not from download2@ IHMO it would prefer to sync from download2@ since download is already used a lot. Kind regards, Marten - nluugg - xs4all.nl new on my list: LeaseWeb (Netherlands) next on my List CacheBoy (Netherlands) next on my List - Tiscali.nl Also: Currently in now infrastructure if we get a yes, - should I handover contacts or - become a part of infra. My preference is the the first (unless there is an extreme short of hands) I do work as unix sysadmin. :) Yeah, we are quite short of hands in our infrastructure team and it's an area in which we need to spread responsibilities in a redundant way, so IMO it would be great to have you there. Thanks, Tomeu cheers Marten ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Voting for sugar!
On Mon, 2009-05-18 at 15:42 -0700, Caryl Bigenho wrote: Hi... Sounds like a plan. But which category do you want us to choose? Shouldn't we be uniform on this? Acually we should ask to add education if not we could use - best new project - best Academic - the project started @MIT cheers Marten Caryl Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 13:37:29 +0200 From: Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl Subject: [IAEP] Voting for sugar! To: Sugar Labs Marketing market...@lists.sugarlabs.org Cc: iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Message-ID: 1242646649.4147.4.ca...@polaris Content-Type: text/plain Let the world know we are alive. please: 1. forward 2. And add to your personal webpage a href=http://sourceforge.net/community/cca09/nominate/?project_name=sugarproject_url=http://sugarlabs.org/;img src=http://sourceforge.net/images/cca/cca_nominate.png; border=0//a kind regards, Marten -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 14:24:55 +0200 From: Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [IAEP] Voting for sugar! To: Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl, Sugar Labs Marketing market...@lists.sugarlabs.org, iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Message-ID: 378b2b050905180524i6f55129ak889deb3e1bb1d...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 just don't forget... the URL is http://www.sugarlabs.org ;-) Sean On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: Let the world know we are alive. please: 1. forward 2. And add to your personal webpage a href=http://sourceforge.net/community/cca09/nominate/?project_name=sugarproject_url=http://sugarlabs.org/;img src=http://sourceforge.net/images/cca/cca_nominate.png; border=0//a kind regards, Marten -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Sugar is One =
Call for feedback http://dgroups.org/ViewDiscussion.aspx?c=641a4329-fd6f-4f6f-a1de-9b208975fbbbi=12dfe336-3c5c-4381-af66-8dcdcbc90419 Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
Dear All, In the last 24 hours I talked to 12 persons about Sugar. - 6 persons have downloaded sugar and said to give feedback on Sugar - I have send a request for testing to i-netw...@dgroups.org. This is one the main mailinglistings in Africa. My findings so far: 1. Asking people to help works. I ask can you help me. Can you download an iso, burn it to cd, boot it, and give you opinion an email? This is very effective in shifting from talking about to doing. 2. The download seems to be slow. Possible sollution, shall I ask for bandwith to mirror the iso image? Can someone make familiar with an optimal solution (syncing/redirecting). kind regards, Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
Thanks David, I will go for bandwith then asking for rsync as requirement. A torrend would optional. Some things I would like to assure mirrors have to: - have directory layout - same names Features I would also like to have - having a Last_version symlink to the last version. (keep links valid over time) - md5sums - list of mirrors on the website - or better mirror autoselection Besides from getting bandwidth is there a way I can help to achieve this? (I guess ssh access would be needed) Kind regards, Marten On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 12:10 +0200, David Van Assche wrote: One thing solution we use at openSUSE to get increcremental images, ie... you have an older version of SOAS or sugar or whatever image, but you want a newer one, well solution is to use rsync, but this would need to be enabled by the host (ie wherever all this is being hosted downloaded from [bernie, caroline?]): First check the latest image at: (This definetly works with openSUSE where sugar is completely integrated, even with an icon on the desktop that takes you straight into sugar from the desktop. The address for either SugarSuse or openSUSE-edu is here: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/ ) The Soas images (snapshots, ie latests sugar) are here as far as I can tell: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/ Copy old image with exactly same name as new image available: cp oldimage.iso exact-name-new-image-is.iso Run rsync again to patch it: rsync -avP rsync://mirror.leaseweb.com/opensuse/repositories/Education/images/iso/exact-name-new-image-is.iso . Dot at the end with space before it is part of the command. This will download only the bytes that have changed, which in some cases is just few MBs, saving few GBs of download. Obviously p2p is another good solution to get initial images going if a couple of people choose to upload to linuxtracker.org or something... kind Regards, David (Nubae) Van Assche On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: Dear All, In the last 24 hours I talked to 12 persons about Sugar. - 6 persons have downloaded sugar and said to give feedback on Sugar - I have send a request for testing to i-netw...@dgroups.org. This is one the main mailinglistings in Africa. My findings so far: 1. Asking people to help works. I ask can you help me. Can you download an iso, burn it to cd, boot it, and give you opinion an email? This is very effective in shifting from talking about to doing. 2. The download seems to be slow. Possible sollution, shall I ask for bandwith to mirror the iso image? Can someone make familiar with an optimal solution (syncing/redirecting). kind regards, Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 16:46 +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: On 05/19/09 13:51, Walter Bender wrote: Maybe we can find a time in the next few days to all meet on IRC to discuss this? CC'ng Bernie as he is most familiar with the SL infrastructure. Unfortunately, both the main download site and the mirror are located in Boston, so they're both going to be slow for people on the other side of the world. oke, I 'll am going to look European mirrors Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Voting for sugar!
On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 08:23 -0700, Caryl Bigenho wrote: Can we settle on one? I would say : Best new product thanks, Marten Caryl Subject: Re: [IAEP] Voting for sugar! From: i...@martenvijn.nl To: cbige...@hotmail.com CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:56:20 +0200 On Mon, 2009-05-18 at 15:42 -0700, Caryl Bigenho wrote: Hi... Sounds like a plan. But which category do you want us to choose? Shouldn't we be uniform on this? Acually we should ask to add education if not we could use - best new project - best Academic - the project started @MIT cheers Marten Caryl Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 13:37:29 +0200 From: Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl Subject: [IAEP] Voting for sugar! To: Sugar Labs Marketing market...@lists.sugarlabs.org Cc: iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Message-ID: 1242646649.4147.4.ca...@polaris Content-Type: text/plain Let the world know we are alive. please: 1. forward 2. And add to your personal webpage a href=http://sourceforge.net/community/cca09/nominate/?project_name=sugarproject_url=http://sugarlabs.org/;img src=http://sourceforge.net/images/cca/cca_nominate.png; border=0//a kind regards, Marten -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 14:24:55 +0200 From: Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [IAEP] Voting for sugar! To: Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl, Sugar Labs Marketing market...@lists.sugarlabs.org, iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Message-ID: 378b2b050905180524i6f55129ak889deb3e1bb1d...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 just don't forget... the URL is http://www.sugarlabs.org ;-) Sean On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: Let the world know we are alive. please: 1. forward 2. And add to your personal webpage a href=http://sourceforge.net/community/cca09/nominate/?project_name=sugarproject_url=http://sugarlabs.org/;img src=http://sourceforge.net/images/cca/cca_nominate.png; border=0//a kind regards, Marten -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 20:35 +0200, David Van Assche wrote: me too, shall we take a practical approach and suggest some locations? My current focus in the Netherlands, preferable in Leiden if machine needs to be setup. If a have opportunities (aboard) I 'll let you know, cheers, Marten David (nubae) Van Assche On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 16:46 +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: On 05/19/09 13:51, Walter Bender wrote: Maybe we can find a time in the next few days to all meet on IRC to discuss this? CC'ng Bernie as he is most familiar with the SL infrastructure. Unfortunately, both the main download site and the mirror are located in Boston, so they're both going to be slow for people on the other side of the world. oke, I 'll am going to look European mirrors Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Voting for sugar!
Let the world know we are alive. please: 1. forward 2. And add to your personal webpage a href=http://sourceforge.net/community/cca09/nominate/?project_name=sugarproject_url=http://sugarlabs.org/;img src=http://sourceforge.net/images/cca/cca_nominate.png; border=0//a kind regards, Marten -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Grassroots-l] Planning for Sugar Camp Paris
On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 16:56 -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: I am thinking about: Hotel Voltaire Republique which I think is fairly close to Sean's house. Am I right about it being a good location? http://www.hostelbookers.com/property/reviews/index.cfm?fuseaction=accommodation.searchisdynamic=1strsearchby=propertystraccommodationtype=hostelsintdestinationid=1069strdestination=parisstrdestinationparent=intnights=10intpeople=1dtearrival=15%2f05%2f2009intpropertyid=19521strTab=reviews nice one, booked this one for me and Reinder. about 1000-1500 meters walk... thanks, Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] after Paris == Re: [Grassroots-l] Planning for Sugar Camp Paris
Hi all, I am not sure if there a need for it. But I can offer een place to work for one week, 26th July - 2nd Agust in Oegstgeest,The Netherlands. It is about 20 min from Schiphol (AMS) Airport (AMS). If wished I could allocate place to camp and workspace (20-30 people room). Access will be free and sleeping will be in tents. There is also place to bring/arrange bigger tents to have meetings. We plan to have a good uplink 40M/bit and a decent wifi/wired infrastructure. The is event is called OpenCommunityCamp. see http://opencommunitycamp.org or ask me for more info. kind regards, Marten -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Help Wanted: Keeper of the Hardware List
On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 18:08 +0200, Sean DALY wrote: In my opinion, the simpler the feedback, the wider the cross-section of users will be from a technically-adept point of view. By that I mean we will garner feedback (valuable I think) from non computer whizzes. I'm more worried about them. Simplicity of use is I think vital to SoaS success. I fear that many users will encounter difficulties 1) loading a USB stick, 2) setting BIOS to boot from it. We should have/collect: - screen shots - movie's (youtube?) As far as I know we don't have a method yet for testing if a newly loaded stick on a computer will be potentially bootable or not on another :-( I use qemu for that that is pretty reliable qemu /dev/usb-drive cheers, Marten Sean On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: This is all sounding great to me. Could someone link the wiki page to the FAQ: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/FAQ People are sending me emails with hardware reports. Should I forward them to IAEP? Do we want a support-gang type mailing list? We can hope to put up instructions and get people to enter things themselves, but we should prepare for the reality that just sending an email maybe asking a lot for teachers. Some of them will have never used a wiki before so it could be too hard a first thing to ask of them. Thanks! Caroline On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-i...@silbe.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 02:51:21PM -0400, Luke Faraone wrote: We can also make use of Semantic Media Wiki to create forms that lead into a table. +1 for that as it's possible to do queries then (instead of manually scanning the table). CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJJ5i+1AAoJELpz82VMF3DapeAH/02SEn5h2wDdBzRLQQaVOiBz E+F4VwUdEZX4mKtmtlcZ+EvAlNlpJwdC/ufzB4u3N2dAwvqmIc50fIGhRRtaUhSQ X7033rTwK1x3FGSIONobEb3BFjv86OQx0ZYTcx02MKfSG29fOJONk1ZISgPmmmxu jNcXgqDBVRkPRNfcnH8sCgrYHTzh+PNHk3VtbRhlheQP0vKegeYr86F5n3mnIC5b rU44yW4Npi6uKYH82BSfp7MOZbBksIPhzECbHPZmqc4igDRNdkT/uwU8E/LD1LWg tBW6B0JybwNvdPIoG+OufJ0zvzDWMBmtSea68tcILfM49femlIkkeQYxSrIVy5s= =ItRp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Camp Kit
On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 13:42 -0500, David Farning wrote: I was thinking about putting together a 'Camp Kit' Consisting of a wireless router, some cables, and a laptop to act as a proxy. With Bernie's help, for around $100 dollars, we can have a 'just works' network where ever we go. Without it, we might have a 'kind of works half the time' network. What else should the kit include? - usb-mobile broadband dongle - traffic shaping firewall (loading pages higher prio than downloads/torrents) - dual band ap 2.4 + 5 Ghz - maybe some wellsupported usb-wifi dongles - small switch - some ethernet cables For larger scale (50-500 people) check: http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek (ask me for details) cheers Marten david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Fwd: soas on classmate
Can you boot image from the drive with qemu and what happens? to install qemu sudo apt-get install qemu sudo qemu /dev/sdc My usb-drive is sdc here an can boot in qemu. FYI-1 I have seen about 10-20% of first attemps not working. That's why i wack the mbr of zero that whole drive. FYI-2 there are usb-drives/flashdrives that can't boot. To find out you need to play a little with other hardware to find the failing part. Swapping parts is generally a fast way. And qemu can also help to isolate issues. Kind regards, Marten On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 13:18 +1000, Mitchell Seaton wrote: On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Is it this problem? http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/421 How much of the boot do you get through? No boot. I simply get Missing operating system. I select to boot from usb: Sony etc, and immediately shows this screen. If so I have some questions that might help us gather data. 1. Did you burn your stick on windows or linux? Using Ubuntu 8.10 with livecd-iso-to-disk script, 2. FAT or FAT32 format. And actually we know that in your case. 4GB can only be FAT32. If you have a 1 or 2GB stick, try formatting it FAT before you burn and let me know if that works. Cleared the MBR, reformatted as FAT (32) using mkfs.vfat. Changed default to linux0 in syslinux.cfg. USB has two directories: LiveOS and syslinux directories. Still having the same problem occurring. Cheers, Mitch thanks, Caroline On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 3:59 AM, Mitchell Seaton meaton.2v +i...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Recently I've been trying to load SoaS (http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/1/Soas1-200903232259.iso) onto a Classmate-2 laptop that we have here at my work. Following the instructions on the wiki (Sugar on a Stick/Installation) using using live iso to disk script, I created the USB (on a Sony 4GB Stick). However, booting from the USB on the Classmate I have the following msg Missing operating system. I know there are some examples of SoaS working out there in the community I was wondering if there maybe some steps I'm missing. I will try with different USB or SD card shortly. I have yet to try to boot on another machine so far. Regards, Mitchell Seaton ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Fwd: soas on classmate
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 10:54 +0200, Marten Vijn wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 17:59 +1000, Mitchell Seaton wrote: Hi, Recently I've been trying to load SoaS (http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/1/Soas1-200903232259.iso) onto a Classmate-2 laptop that we have here at my work. Following the instructions on the wiki (Sugar on a Stick/Installation) using using live iso to disk script, I created the USB (on a Sony 4GB Stick). However, booting from the USB on the Classmate I have the following msg Missing operating system. I know there are some examples of SoaS working out there in the community I was wondering if there maybe some steps I'm missing. I will try with different USB or SD card shortly. I have yet to try to boot on another machine so far. Try to disconnect the latops battery for some seconds, pls let me know if this works, and try the stick on other devise. sometimes I also zero the drive: dd if=/dev/zero of=drive bs=1m or some zero'ing the MBR also helps, dd if=/dev/zero of=drive bs=512k count=1 I know 2G sd-card does work on a Classmate. . Kind regards, Marten kind regards, Marten Regards, Mitchell Seaton ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Fwd: soas on classmate
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 17:59 +1000, Mitchell Seaton wrote: Hi, Recently I've been trying to load SoaS (http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/1/Soas1-200903232259.iso) onto a Classmate-2 laptop that we have here at my work. Following the instructions on the wiki (Sugar on a Stick/Installation) using using live iso to disk script, I created the USB (on a Sony 4GB Stick). However, booting from the USB on the Classmate I have the following msg Missing operating system. I know there are some examples of SoaS working out there in the community I was wondering if there maybe some steps I'm missing. I will try with different USB or SD card shortly. I have yet to try to boot on another machine so far. Try to disconnect the latops battery for some seconds, pls let me know if this works, kind regards, Marten Regards, Mitchell Seaton ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] branding usbdrives == Re: Topics deliverables from Marketing IRC meeting 03-10-2009: Countdown to 0.84 launch! Exceptional meeting today (Friday) at 1600 UTC
On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 15:01 +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 5:49 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: This will require some degree of control to limit the mis-use of sugar in substandard products. That's a reasonable move. The trick w brands is to show that you control the brands and logos... This means that you are expected to set some rules and complain to people (and eventuallysend CD) who don't follow them. And to avoid problems. Google for Europeans Orders OpenBSD to see how painfull it can get. The sooner there are clear rules the better it is. So now, from the dept of out-of-the-box-ideas: One of the rules may be: use of logos A, C and B is restricted. Logo D is unrestricted, redistributable, etc for use in community efforts without having to ask for permission. Would it help to have: - possibility resell offical sugar sticks (in larger batches) - local versions (with for example Dutch language and password) preset - expectations of donations to: - SugarLabs - Local projects - Clear expentations of: - certified partners - community partners FYI.My last actions resulted in funding to give 30 sticks to kids in the media wiki project. Would that help? Unrestricted logos saying SugarLabs::Community or Friend of SugarLabs? I gues it would be some kind grey branding. 2ct Kind regards, Marten cheers, m -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
