Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] meeting reminder
Hey, I cannot attend the meeting tomorrow. Can we please move the meeting to next week and one hour later? 2015-08-01 9:01 GMT-03:00 Walter Bender : > We meet on Monday, 3 August at 23:00 UTC, 7PM Boston, 19:00 Asuncion, > 09:00+1 Sydney, 23:00 Paris, 20:00 BA, 20:00 Montevideo, 20:00 Sao > Paulo 17:00 Managua, 18:00 Bogota, 04:30+1 New Delhi. > > We need to wrap up the discussion about the oversight board elections > and touch base re plans for the next release. > > regards. > > -walter > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > http://www.sugarlabs.org > ___ > SLOBs mailing list > sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Linux/Sugar questions
Hi Steve, 2013/2/4 Steve Thomas : > I will be installing Sugar on the systems. In checking the Wiki I see Sugar > works with Fedora 18 and plan on installing that on the boxes (unless > someone suggests something they feel is better). I'm not completely informed about Sugar in Fedora 18, but I think the best will be installing Sugar from the Fedora repositories, which provide Sugar 0.98. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] meeting reminder
Hello, I appologize because I was away while the meeting. Now I'm reading the meeting logs: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2013-01-14 I'll give some comments after I finish reading it. Cheers, Daniel. 2013/1/14 Walter Bender : > Sorry for the late notice. We (the Sugar Oversight Board) will be > meeting today at 6PM EST (23UTC). > > Topics include further discuss of 2013 goals and a proposal by Sean > Daly regarding PR. > > Please join us on irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting > > regards. > > -walter > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > http://www.sugarlabs.org > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] XO alumni become code developers
Hi, Just something I want to share about that event Flavio organized yesterday where I attended. After listening to a talk about Gstreamer and Python (Flavio was the speaker), I wanted to start a project, not very related with Sugar, but planning a plugin for Turtleart in a very far future. I wanted to do it with the best students, but Flavio requested me to do it with the others. Students interested in Python, but who didn't start never their own project. So, if they accept, I will be a co-mentor/supervisor of a group of students who don't know much more than a "Hello World", showing them the the ways to start and develop a project. Where the learning process is more important than the resulting code. My current interest is about documenting all the work and share the experience in my abandoned blog. At the moment I'm going to post in Spanish, and after some posts I'll share a digest in English. Cheers, Daniel Francis. 2012/12/2 Yama Ploskonka : > Let me stand up and rejoice that nowadays you need several hands to count XO > alumni that went on to write code! > > Photographic evidence in the link that Flavio shares > > Flavio Danesse has been one of the "game changers" in this, mentoring a few > at first, and now many more. > > Kids mostly use School-issued Classmates running Ubuntu nowadays, as XOs are > given only to Elementary School kids in UY, and the Classmates are not > blocked as the XOs are. > > > > personally for me this means that I need no longer worry so much about > getting MSP430 to work on XOs or Sugar, as between Nell from OLPC and other > developments in the field , the platform is moving. > > > El día 1 de diciembre de 2012 23:05, Flavio Danesse > escribió: > >> Y cerramos el año !!: >> >> (Dejo las fotografías por si alguien quiere verlas) >> >> https://picasaweb.google.com/109539712663773273915/1DeDiciembreDe2012CierreDePython_joven2012 >> >> Felices vacaciones !! >> Feliz fin de año !! o en su defecto Feliz fin del Mundo !! >> >> Mis agradecimientos a quienes colaboraron con este evento: >> >> La Directora y la Subdirectora del Liceo de Villa Rodriguez, por abrirnos >> el >> liceo y aguantarnos todo el sábado y >> Al padre de Daniel por traer a Daniel, Ezequiel, Ignacio y Rafael. >> >> Y muy especiales felicitaciones a Daniel Francis y Agustín Zubiaga por >> iniciar su primer experiencia laboral en olpc. >> >> ___ >> Lista olpc-Sur >> olpc-...@lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-sur >> > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] kids building Re: activities (games) recommended age
Hi Yama, 2012/11/28 Yama Ploskonka : > why not more? why not teachers, hundreds of them? "Few is better then Nothing" Projecting a possible situation: If you are a student, you must study and you have the responsibility to conserve your qualifications. If you are teacher, you work and you get money teaching a school program, not contributing to Sugar. Now, I think: If you like history, you are good writing and the author of your history book makes a new edition every year, you may contact the author and contribute to the next edition. But if not; you may wait the content come to you without any interest in participate in its creation and then read it or only take a look at the cover and the table of contents. Cheers, Daniel. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2012-11-16
2012/11/16 James Simmons : > 2). The Python Joven has a developer named Naughty Cristofer? Nope, it was the result of putting the name Cristhofer Travieso in Google Translate. See you! ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
The situation is sad, but it's True. In a school the teachers can start an unusual class and try other ways for teach and the students (6 to 11 years old in .UY) follow the instructions of the teachers. In a high school (12 to 18 years old in .UY), teachers have 45 minutes per class and one year for teach a list of contents. In 45 minutes, there's not time for try another working method and when they do it students use the web browser for log into social networks without permission of the teacher. So the teachers prefer the traditional class where they already know how to have all the control in the classroom. I think the expected usage of Sugar and computers in the classrooms here, is happening slowly only in primary schools. Warm regards, Daniel. 2012/10/13 Sebastian Silva : > Otra vez viajando en el tiempo! > Un abrazo > Sebastian > > > On vie, 2012-11-23 at 22:54 -0200, nanon...@mediagala.com wrote: >> >On 23/09/2012 04:16 p.m., Agustin Zubiaga Sanchez wrote: >> > ...when I was in primary school, no teacher was concerned with >> explaining how to use my XO >> >... And when I started the high school was the same, no teacher was >> interested in the XO, except Mr. Flavio Danesse >> >> >> >> >> >> I've been saying the same things for years, but people take me as a >> pessimist or worse. >> >> >> >> >> Paolo Benini >> ___ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
> but where I worked, it was like this: > #!/usr/bin/python > # questo è il modo in cui il punteggio di corrispondenza viene calcolato > partida = calcio101+calcio02 Ciao Mondo! :) # Just regarding the Sugar Paint activity mixes English and Portuguese of its original maintainers. Now # with all the changes and patches it conserves only some words, specially file names like "desenho" # instead design. > They are both 'python' but most programmers are not going to be able to debug > the 2nd example easily. > Making all the comments and the variable names in Spanish is not what I > expect for sugarlabs but maybe for the 'python joven' or similar. Small examples can be made in other langs, but not a big application. That doesn't teach for the real life. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
2012/9/23 Chris Leonard : > I would love to see more of the Spanish-only activities > present in ASLO take this step to i18n so that they can be used by > other XO kids around the world in their mother tongues. A good way would be if the ASLO editors request the authors to internationalize their activities. I know sometimes they do it, and leave a link to an article at wiki.sl.org where explains how to implement i18n. For my part, I can start to contact Spanish developers. Best regards, Daniel. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
2012/9/23 Agustin Zubiaga Sanchez : > Hi, everybody. > Like Daniel, I'm from Uruguay and I feel identified with the Walter message. Hi Agustin! > I'm fourteen years old, and I started using sugar when I was ten, when I > receive my XO was the first time that I used linux and it liked me a lot. > > About the young programmers: > I was a student of Flavio Danesse, and he taught me a lot but for obvious > reasons I had to appeal the internet to found more information, where the > most are in english, for me it wasn't a problem, because I have learned > english.. > > But the most of the children in Latin America hasn't this luck, and they > find it difficult to program. I'd say now there's a lot of documentation in Spanish, but I agree with you in the language can be a barrier sometimes, specially for write e-mails and similar things. When Flavio said he doesn't understand why Spanish speakers write source code in English, I replied I don't write code in English, I write in Python, in C (not for Sugar) or in any programming language. > About sugar and the teachers: > Unfortunately, when I was in primary school, no teacher was concerned with > explaining how to use my XO, and the "logical sugar activities", such as > Turtle Art and Scratch, but luckily their interfaces are very intuitive. > And when I started the high school was the same, no teacher was interested > in the XO, except Mr. Flavio Danesse :) > For this reason the most of my classmates, only use their XO to browse in > Facebook and other social networks. Here One Laptop Per Child is promoted as an implementation with the aim of provide the children the possibility of access to the information and internet. Of course, when it's also an education project we expect an educational usage, I can say there is at least one teacher per school interested in implement XO computers in its classroom. Cheers, Daniel. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
2012/9/20 James Simmons : > Daniel, > > I did remember to try out your Activities last night. In addition to my XO > I have several computers running different versions of Fedora, and that was > what I used because it was a bit more convenient. I ended up using two > different computers because the latest Fedora won't run Sugar File Manager. > > Sugar File Manager was different than I expected it to be. It actually > mounts the Journal on the GNOME desktop, although GNOME can't browse it and > wouldn't let me unmount it. The File Manager seems to be more of a browser > than what I would think of as a file manager. It doesn't look like you can > copy files into the Journal or modify or delete Journal entries. I'm > intrigued by the mounting of the Journal but I wouldn't call it an > *improvement* over Sugar Commander, which does let you do these things. > Of course it's not an improvement, I don't feel proud of that creation. > > I didn't try Agubrowser. > > The other stuff was without exception really impressive. I had to wonder if > you adapted existing Python programs to be Sugar Activities or if you wrote > the whole Activities. The Graph Plotter was especially impressive. First I sugarized Lybniz Graph Plotter, and after understand all the code and see some defects I decided to create my own plotter called Graph Plotter and maintain it as myself. > > It looks like JAMMath does need the i18n treatment, but it shouldn't be > difficult. > > I'm wondering if you've made any use of Como Hacer Una Actividad Sugar and > if so if you found it helpful. I have a printed version (in English) of your book. I'd say it's helpful and I still read it for check about collaboration in activities. I have pending to implement it on Graph Plotter. > It looks like the latest Python will break > all the code samples in that book so at some point it will need to be > revised. A new version of your book would be great. But we are not at the best moment, Sugar is in a transition to GTK3. I'm also developing a desktop framework which provides compatibility between Sugar and other desktops, and reduces repetitive code. I think that framework finished, would be a new better way to develop a Sugar Activity. Cheers, Daniel Francis. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
2012/9/20 Kevin Mark : > > While I can't speak for Sugar Labs, this sound like a very good problems to > address. "Scratch" has a > website to 'upload' its programs. I would really love to see a way to help > young sugar activity hacker > have a place for them to 'hack' on their games/activities. Maybe > Activities.sugarlabs.org or some > website in .uy? And maybe a forum? (I'm not someone to do this sadly but > would think that the very > capable people around the sugar community would find this idea motivating) > ASLO is a good place to upload a Sugar Activity, also in Uruguay we have a deserted website for the ceibalJAM community: http://ceibaljam.org/drupal/?q=lista_descargas CeibalJAM is an organization made for volunteers with the aim of generate educational resources looking at what is needed by the children at Uruguay. I used to write at the CeibalJAM mailing list. (Olpc-Uruguay on lists.laptop.org) > OH wow. I have recently started to 'hack' on JAMedia and JAMediaTube. So I > know his work. I wonder if > making videos of his lecture would be something he could do and the kids > could watch? > He wants to do his code hackable by interested children, so he writes his programs in Spanish. It's a good way to learn, but it's not a good practice. At least he should setup i18n at JAMedia. > If you and others can make 'clubs' in your area, that would be great, maybe > they can setup a web 'forum' for everyone to exchange ideas. > We started a public google group one time, but we are too few, and at Olpc-Uruguay we could share, ask, etc. > Oh, that is sad, I'm surprised to read that. The first year when I received my XO, I had a teacher who requested as homework make some geometric forms with TA. At the next courses, the teachers preferred Scratch and Etoys because it was what they learned in their teaching courses. With the robots getting the schools, there are teachers learning TA and they liked it very much. Now at the highschool (from twelve years old to eighteen in .UY), teachers aren't formed to work with XOs, so the usage at highschools is very poor. So I'd say the expected educational implementation of OLPC and Sugar, is happening slowly at primary schools. Cheers, Daniel. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
Hi Kevin, 2012/9/19 Kevin Mark : > Hearing from the kids who are making Sugar activities and more contributions, > I'm really wanting to > know what teaching environment made this possible? Summing my case all the cases I listened about, we usually learn by our self. Thinking about why Sugar, well, we could make desktop applications, but a free and decent way to share a program is difficult to find and there's not always a community where we can share what we make. Also I think Sugar needs activities, unlike desktops, where practically all is already made. Just Edward suggested us to tell our stories, but at the moment I'll not get into many details and only answer your questions. > Are there activity hacking classes? In Uruguay there is only one activity hacking teacher: Flavio Danesse. He is an IT teacher, and every year he organizes a workshop where he teaches volunteer students to program in Python. The group "Python Joven", in English "Young Python".. Currently, his students contributing here are Agustin Zubiaga and Cristhofer Travieso, they told me about another student who develops applications for Android. > Is this kind of experimentation part of a turtleart class? For my part I can say "yes and no"... When I received my XO with Sugar I liked very much TurtleArt, but the teachers don't teach it very often, I had to look for documentation. >Have kids 'goggled' about programming on their own time and wanted to know >about programming? Now you are right, I learn practically all 'googling'. Flavio's students told me they also learn(ed) a big part of what they know searching and investigating by them self. I think it's better because we can learn what we are interested in, also if it's not related with Sugar. > Are there computer programming classes and teachers that have assignments > that ask the kids to explore? Programming is not often a subject at the school. I know about optional workshops, like Flavio's. My parents are teachers, and about three-four years ago, when I was ten years old, I used to go to the highschool where my parents worked and I listened to a workshop about web design (basic HTML development) and graphic design (with GIMP). That workshop was not a way to get young programmers, but it removed me the fear of seeing a source code as something strange or made for be understood by non-human people. Cheers. ~danielf P.S: Sorry, I don't speak English very well. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
2012/9/19 Walter Bender : > There are some from outside of .UY as well... Walter, Can you tell us about the activities outside of .UY, please? I never hear about them and would be of interest for some people in these mailing lists, including myself. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
2012/9/19 James Simmons : > Walter, > > First, congrats on the grandchild. > > Second, I am intrigued by the statement that 10% of Sugar Activities were > written by children who grew up with Sugar. That is an incredible > accomplishment, and it makes me wish that the ASLO website had a Collection > of those Activities. If something like that existed I could see what kinds > of Activities they were doing, how many were programs written for other > environments using a Sugar wrapper, how many are purely Sugar Activities, > who the developers are, what Sugar features are they using and not using, > how popular the Activities are, etc. Hello James, I feel identified with what Walter described so I dare to answer. I'm from Uruguay and I'm thirteen years old. I'm one of the activity developers in transition to Sugar contributor. I don't know other young Sugar contributors outside Uruguay, so I'll tell you about the situation here. About one year ago, children made activities often as a hobbie, that activities had not a reasonable aim and they weren't very well integrated with Sugar. Some examples: Agubrowser by Agustin Zubiaga: This activity was based on webkit when Browse used python-hulahop (gecko). http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4419 Sugar File Manager by Ignacio Rodríguez and me: Based on Sugar Commander and JAMexplorer, with some improvements. http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4494 Actually, we make activities thinking in its utility, but our aim is still learn with what we do. I leave here some of the activities that make us feel proud: TerronesWeeper: A "mines" game for CeibalJAM!, the Uruguayan OLPC community, which is represented with a Terrón[1]. http://activities.sugarlabs.org//en-US/sugar/addon/4520 Chart: Made with help of adults and now available at the official OLPC build. http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4534 Graph Plotter: Mathematical function plotter. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Graph_Plotter JAMath: Other game for CeibalJAM. I'm not sure, but I think this activity is only available in Spanish. http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4595 Sorry if I forget other activities. Cheers, Daniel. [1] http://ceibaljam.org/drupal/?q=node/741 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
