Re: [IAEP] play dvds
best solution, don't! You cite many very good reasons why many people will not benefit from a full computer, but can benefit from DVDs. 7B people are on the earth and 2B cannot read [400M in India. 2M in the USA] but they can be educated using video/audio DVDs. Blind and deaf people can be educated. Well, don't give them a computer, give then a DVD player! from $25 per http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?SearchText=dvd+player+portable (Actually, not a bad idea at all considering evidence that too many of these $200+ computers are mostly used, if at all, as (free to the student) alternatives to a $5 MP3 player... :-() Actually, I am really starting to really like the idea of DVD players for mass education. Has possibilities. Cheaper that the Proclaimer 2012/3/5, Ken Hargesheimer minifa...@gmail.com: How can the laptop be used to play DVDs? I am sending the document below around the world and I would like to tell people how to use it to play them. Ken Hargesheimer GARDENS/MINI-FARMS NETWORK Workshops: USA - TX, MS, FL, CA, AR, NM, WA; México, Rep. Dominicana, Cote d’Ivoire, Nigeria, Honduras, Kenya, Malawi, Mozambique, Haití, England, Nicaragua, India, Uzbekistan, South Africa * minifa...@gmail.com* Workshops in organic, no-till, permanent-bed gardening, mini-farming, mini-ranching, using drip or bucket drip irrigation, worldwide, in English Español DVDS for Education and Training A CD holds 650 MB. The Bible is 1.4 MB. Therefore, *a CD holds 464 copies of the Bible. A DVD holds 3,000 copies of the Bible. A dual layer DVD holds 6,000 copies of the Bibles.* Just imagine what would happen if every school, church, village, library, etc in the bush of Africa, the jungles of Latin America and the mountains of Asia had a computer and DVD library. The internet is not necessary and is expensive in some areas. People can study for hours on a computer using DVDs with little or no cost. Thousands of DVDs are available on hundreds of subjects and many are free. I have farming DVDs. Whatever a person wants to learn is available on a DVD. HHTwebsite copier [free] can be used to download websites into a computer from the internet. Use CDburner XP [free] to burn to a DVD. 7B people are on the earth and 2B cannot read [400M in India. 2M in the USA] but they can be educated using video/audio DVDs. Blind and deaf people can be educated. Movies could be shown to the public for a fee to help with the cost. Rent it to people studying vocational DVDs. All computers operate internally on 12 v. Those without electricity use a computer, internally altered, to operate directly on 12 v. from a battery with a solar charger [email for instructions]. A pedal*/*powered generator can be used to charge the battery. This opens up a whole new way to teach. *School in a Suitcase:* http://winministries.org/website/index.php/nation2nation, a religious group,has hundreds of schools in many countries; over 100 in Cuba. A person with a computer [operating on 12 v.], printer and DVD library can travel from place to place, on a schedule, to teach and train people. This is a very simple, inexpensive, effective way to educate children, youth and adults Use a bicycle or a bicycle and trailer for transportation. *Mobile schools: * Vietnam*:* Computer literacy is a luxury. The Dariu Foundation provides computer training to kids in remote villages using a mobile school equipped with computers, internet access and access to e-library containing DVDs in agriculture, animal feeding, etc. Not only kids but clients benefit from this school. Dariu.org * * India*: * guardian.co.uk/global-development/video/2011/sep/30/india-mobile-school-videohttp://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/video/2011/sep/30/india-mobile-school-video. Kenya*:* Education for pastoralist communities. changemakers.com/educationafrica/entries/mobile-schools-basic-education-pastoralist-communitieshttp://www.changemakers.com/educationafrica/entries/mobile-schools-basic-education-pastoralist-communities Ken Hargesheimer - curriki.org [K-12] - world-virtual-school.com http://www.world-virtual-school.com/ - e-learningforkids.org http://www.e-learningforkids.org/ - inacol.org http://www.inacol.org/ - edublogs.org - hippocampus.org/ http://www.hippocampus.org/ - nrocmath.org - oercommons.org/ http://www.oercommons.org/ - Khanacademy.org [free courses. Can be downloaded on to DVDs and used anywhere] - icr.org/essentials http://www.icr.org/essentials/ Creation science studies. - olpcnews.com http://www.olpcnews.com/ [laptop computers for children] - http://one.laptop.org/about/mission ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
Re: [IAEP] play dvds
+1 or SD cards. Easy to build, replicate, scale a full library of resources that way. Per-piece cost higher than DVDs, but more than worth it as you can save your own work, interact with the system, update 2012/3/5, Tabitha Roder tabi...@tabitha.net.nz: On Mar 6, 2012 6:29 AM, Ken Hargesheimer minifa...@gmail.com wrote: How can the laptop be used to play DVDs? I am sending the document below around the world and I would like to tell people how to use it to play them. Ken Hargesheime Give content on USB not DVD. USBs don't snap so easily or get scratched, are easier to look after. USBs last longer, come in different sizes, allow users to easily add or remove content for sharing, and most importantly work on more devices currently available. The move from laptops to netbooks means less and less people have CD or DVD drives. Tabitha ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Why Is programming an unnatural activity?
Steve, for some reason the link to your blog didn't work for me. JIC others needed it, here: http://mrstevesscience.blogspot.com/2012/02/why-is-programming-unnatural-activity.html Brilliant! I really appreciate you pointing out these great ideas to the rest of us. For many years I have struggled on trying to understand what makes it so that some people can and others can't. My conclusion is still that it is clearly a gifting, part of the uniqueness every living being is created with. Some are natural programmers, others aren't. The latter being the majority by far, ergo, as a general thing programming is unnatural, end of story. Ideologically this is very inconvenient, of course, since it is quite unfashionable, nay, *very* inappropriate, political incorrect to point at differences in potential from conception, but, no longer being constrained by ideology, I can afford to call it as it is. This still leaves me with trying to figure out who it makes sense to invest in. And apparently more difficult, how best to seed that process, and overcome blocks (in some way what your authors call bugs), some of these set there by the kindness of the official one-size-fits-all education experts. Your notes and the authors you point out will help learn and understand how this all happens, thank you. Of course, even then we are left with trying to figure out how to beat socioeconomics, like this kid in a Nepal school I met, that will have extra struggles to go through to achieve his potential. 2012/2/29, Steve Thomas sthom...@gosargon.com: So I am sharing my blog post Why Is programming an unnatural activity?Hoping to get some feedback from the community. For my P2PU course I have been looking at Novice programmers. And in one of the papers we were asked to read Mark Guzdial asks: “Why?” Is programming an unnatural activity? Could programming be made easier in a different form? Could programming be taught in a different way that makes learning easier? Or maybe we just have no idea how to actually measure what students know about programming.* (1).* My main problem with the Guzdial paper (this was more my problem than a problem with the paper) is I felt it didn't provide enough details or specifics on Why it is so hard to learn to Program? I need specifics and examples to get my head around things. Roy Pea, was a great find and perhaps not surprisingly (for me at least) the Resnick article was very useful. Pea (et al) talked about three classes of bugs: 1. Parallelism Bugs 2. Intentionality Bugs 3. Egocentrism Bugs *Parrallelism Bugs* The Parallelism Bugs, is basically an assumption of different lines in a program can be active or known by the computer at the same time or in parallel. For example, look at this code: If (Size == 10) print Hello For Size in range(10): print Size When High School students. in their second year of programming course, were asked what they thought the program would print 8 out of 15 predicted Hello would print after 10. *Intentionality Bugs* The Intentionality Bugs, is the idea in the child's mind that the program has goals and knows or sees what will happen elsewhere in itself. *Egocentrism Bugs* The Egocentrism Bugs, stem from the belief that there is more of their meaning for what they want to accomplish in the program than is actually present in the code. Funny, I see these kinds of bugs all the time in my code and those of other experience programmers :) *The Super Bug* He concludes that all these derive from the Super Bug: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sQRGOhtVBbM/T03XIvqxgvI/BBg/itlJA6dtKhU/s1600/SuperBug%0D.png The idea that there is a hidden mind somewhere inside the programming language that has intelligent and interpretive powers. Not surprising since most of kids experiences are with semi-intelligent beings (aka Parents) MultiLogo: A Study of Children and Concurrent Programming - Mitchel Resnickhttp://llk.media.mit.edu/papers/MultiLogo.html Resnick, noted that: This sequential paradigm does not match the way the real world works: people and animals act in parallel, objects interact in parallel. As a result, many real-world activities can not be modelled in a natural way with sequential programming. Thus developed a concurrent or parrallel version of Logo (Multi-Logo), so they kids had a language/environment that more closely matched their view of the world. Although he did not go parrallel enough, and in his lessons learned asked *SideNote*: I used to think and say that Concurrent Programming was really really hard. I had plenty of evidence to back this up and had heard and read much smarter people than me saying the same thing. Then I encountered Etoys (and later Scratch) and started teaching these to kids. And realized that Concurrent Programming is actually easier (although you do have the added complexity of syntonization issues) . The problem was not the
[IAEP] Mechatronics with XO + MSP430 microcontroller Lab manual Spanish
A while back I put together some instructions on how to get a vanilla XO/Sugar to talk to a Texas Instruments MSP430 Launchad board (including 2 microcontrollers, shipping included, only $4.30) http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/OLPC_XO-1 I'm pushing the concept further with some Lab activities on the subject, potentially hopefully (my track record not so good) a set of 10 Labs to start, (in Castillian) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CUHeUkDNtYurCu_KckwpJIcVdlumEIiZPOeRXtDV8nU/edit The inspiration is to bridge between the zero level of practical skills acquired in normal schooling and available stuff that already presupposes some knowledge, eventually getting to the excellent docs from Texas Instruments. The XO is great, with microcontrollers it can only get better! ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] TI MSP430 running on XO 1 - Robotics!
The TI MSP430 chips are a very attractive alternative to add robotic options for XO / Sugar users. Microcontrolers are the brain behind many engineering hobby and educational pursuits, but many alternatives are expensive or very hard to run in the XO. The TI Launchpad board, with a G2553 microcontroler and an extra G2452 in the box, is available from Texas Instruments for $4.30 USD, including shipping anywhere in the world (yes, hard to believe). http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/MSP430_LaunchPad_%28MSP-EXP430G2%29 Here are the instructions for running the Launchpad with the G2452. Maybe if the next iteratiuon of Sugar uses Fedora 15 we will be able to use the G2553 as well. http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/OLPC_XO-1 Los chips MSP430 de Texas Instruments son una alternativa muy atractiva para usuarios de Sugar y XO. Los microcontroiladores son el cerebro en muchos proyectos de ingeniería, educativos o de afición, pero la mayoría de las alternativas son muy costosas y/o muy difíciles de hacer funcionar en la XO. La placa Launchpad de TI viene de fábrica con un chip G2553 instalado, y un G2452 extra en la caja, y se vende en el sitio de Texas Instruments por $4.30 dólares, incluyendo envío a cualquier parte del mundo (sí, es difícil de creer - indican que es oferta por tiempo limitado, y hay que tener en cuenta la aduana) http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/MSP430_LaunchPad_%28MSP-EXP430G2%29 Aquí las instrucciones (por ahora en inglés) para hacer funcionar el Launchpad usando una XO 1 con el chip 2452. Tal vez pronto Sugar utilizará Fedora 15, lo que facilitará usar el 2553 también. http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/OLPC_XO-1 estos chips fueron anunciados como una buena alternativa al Arduino. Estoy de acuerdo, el Arduino clon más barato que he encontrado cuesta $13 USD más envío. Por esa plata he comprado 3 Launchpads, y estoy como perro con dos colas. Yamandú ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Mes de WikiSur
How are you feeling like for a continent-wide event/activity? The goal would be that, in one month, 1.000.000 articles and other media area added, and/or edited, improved, classified, in community wikis, especially Wikipedia How does that sound? (note, I am focussing on this as primarily an ES language activity, and thus mostly aiming at ES wikis and such, yet all are welcome to participate) See and improve link below El 01/02/12, Yamaplos . yamap...@gmail.com escribió: ¿Cómo se sienten para lanzar un evento continental? el objetivo es llegar, en un mes, a 1,000,000 nuevos artículos y media, cambios, mejoras y adiciones a wikis comunitarias, especialmente Wikipedia Apunto a abril ¿sería? http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Un_Mes_de_WikiSur ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Write: The file 'abc.odt' is corrupt and therefore cannot be opened. LibreOffice can try to repair the file...
Chris, I do certainly believe Martin. What I missed somewhere (thanks!) is the AbiWord connection, about which I of course did know in an earlier life :-) but I had forgotten. I actually had no idea Abiword was supposed to deal with ODT - I was following this in the RTF days. Nevertheless, it's still problematic. OOO is default install, and moreover is default for ODT. Setting up Abiword is another hurdle for less experienced folks. Even worse for windows-hampered ones. Hopefully we can find a solution that lets us pass around standard files. All in all, I'm coming to believe that idea that Write output HTML is pure genius, and might deserve some thought... For one VERY important thing (so far mostly forgotten), it would establish Styles as THE default work process. Styles is what separates the men from the boys in terms of editing texts, and the fact that we are not making it so really grates my educator feelings. As to Aymara, walisuma, and best to everyone involved. Otherwise things in Bolivia are not moving much - a lot of machines were lost to government intrusion, and I feel there's extremely little I can do at this time except encourage a very few individuals that have kept the faith and a few XOs, especially the University club and Norman's outfit in Oruro. That said, I will try to follow up with Martin and see if I can be more effective, besides reporting problems, which at least hopefully has its use.. Thank you! Yama 2011/12/11, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com: Yama, Martin is one of the core AbiWord developers, he is telling you this is a known bug with the AbiWord that was packaged in Ubuntu that has since been corrected. Please believe him. You are correct, bugs are not standards compatible, but I think he is saying the flaw is not necessarily in the document. I hope what he is saying is not update Ubuntu but rather update AbiWord via Ubuntu Software Center. As you probably know Write is a modified version of AbiWord contributed by our friends there, like Martin and Marc Maurer (irc:uwog). I hang out on the #abiword channel regularly, in part, because we host their L10n now as a way of saying thanks for Write, and I do recall this issue being discussed there, but I would trust Martin to know the exact details far better than anyone else on IAEP. BTW, there has been a good start on Aymara, although it may be a Peruvian variant and not the Bolivian form, Amos Batto might know best. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/aym/ Warmest Regards, cjl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] is Sur messed up?
it has been noticed the list configs for Sur were changed recently, and a thread started there on the subject by Paolo (asking for going back to our old setups, which is something I support). When I tried to reply to it, my message bounced indicating my address is not a member ¿¿??? When I went to try to re-register, turns out my registration is held for admin approval, and it turns our there is no admin listed either! Does anyone know what's going on? and how can we get our well-crafted configs back? Thanks Yama 2011/12/11, olpc-sur-boun...@lists.laptop.org olpc-sur-boun...@lists.laptop.org: Your mail to 'olpc-Sur' with the subject Re: [Sur] Cambiaron las configuraciones de esta lista Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Mensaje dirigido a una lista privada procedente de una dirección que no pertenece a la lista Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Write: The file 'abc.odt' is corrupt and therefore cannot be opened. LibreOffice can try to repair the file...
I came upon this error trasferring a file from a kid's XO here in Bolivia to my Ubuntu. I am not sure what system he had, since before I got to open the file in my machine I updated his to os874. I will try again tomorrow, hoping this old, old issue is no longer... My understanding is that the Write files were RTF misnamed as ODT. However, I renamed this one to RTF and it didn't open at all. As ODT, it does eventually open in LibreOffice (which says it repairs it, whatever that means) hmmm... Can we have some kind of a standard? I imagine a file made in Ubuntu will not work in the XO, which is no good, and viceversa. corrupt is not a comforting word for any teacher. I wonder how much worse this works within windoze, which is what teachers are given in many places in their, ahem, mentally corrupt administrators realm. If we can't do good ODT, can we at least do decent RTF? or at least the much easier and much more universal HTM? THAT would be rather clever! Kids would produce web pages by default. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] is Sur messed up?
the kids were left as admin... It is not April 1st, but it should be... I mean, if we survive this, we will have a tale to tell every Nov 1st. If we are SO short of grownups, I'll take it again and fix things. I certainly hope the members list has not been lost Thank you, Ana, that explains a few things (as the short guy used to say in Princess Bride, ) 2011/12/11, ana.cichero ana.cich...@gmail.com: +1 As you know the kids where left as admin and they cannot keep quiet, luckily they are kids ;) and we are in summer holidays I don t know if any grown up is volunteering to admin the olpc lists... That is the real thing i think. Regarding the kids, we can try to tell them again that a public community archive is not good place for new experiences. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Yamaplos . yamap...@gmail.com wrote: it has been noticed the list configs for Sur were changed recently, and a thread started there on the subject by Paolo (asking for going back to our old setups, which is something I support). When I tried to reply to it, my message bounced indicating my address is not a member ¿¿??? When I went to try to re-register, turns out my registration is held for admin approval, and it turns our there is no admin listed either! Does anyone know what's going on? and how can we get our well-crafted configs back? Thanks Yama 2011/12/11, olpc-sur-boun...@lists.laptop.org olpc-sur-boun...@lists.laptop.org: Your mail to 'olpc-Sur' with the subject Re: [Sur] Cambiaron las configuraciones de esta lista Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Mensaje dirigido a una lista privada procedente de una dirección que no pertenece a la lista Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sur] is Sur messed up?
+1 I also volunteered, though I definitely will have just time to fix things but not much more (not that much work is needed, but someone more available is better) 2011/12/11, Alexandro Colorado acolor...@gmail.com: I can help administrating the list. Althought I havent been active for the past month, I will have more time to dedicate to the list for the following months. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 8:06 PM, ana.cichero ana.cich...@gmail.com wrote: +1 As you know the kids where left as admin and they cannot keep quiet, luckily they are kids ;) and we are in summer holidays I don t know if any grown up is volunteering to admin the olpc lists... That is the real thing i think. Regarding the kids, we can try to tell them again that a public community archive is not good place for new experiences. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Yamaplos . yamap...@gmail.com wrote: it has been noticed the list configs for Sur were changed recently, and a thread started there on the subject by Paolo (asking for going back to our old setups, which is something I support). When I tried to reply to it, my message bounced indicating my address is not a member ¿¿??? When I went to try to re-register, turns out my registration is held for admin approval, and it turns our there is no admin listed either! Does anyone know what's going on? and how can we get our well-crafted configs back? Thanks Yama 2011/12/11, olpc-sur-boun...@lists.laptop.org olpc-sur-boun...@lists.laptop.org: Your mail to 'olpc-Sur' with the subject Re: [Sur] Cambiaron las configuraciones de esta lista Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Mensaje dirigido a una lista privada procedente de una dirección que no pertenece a la lista Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Lista olpc-Sur olpc-...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-sur -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español http://es.openoffice.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Riots in La Paz: Bolivians don't want Classmates, no no no!
Because they do not like the Intel Classmate computers the City Government of La Paz gave them, on Tuesday Sept 27 the La Paz union of parents of schoolchildren blockaded the main highway between La Paz and El Alto, with one woman injured due to the tires being burned. they are made in China and designed to last only one year, is said about these laptops in the linked article, with a picture of one of the Classmate units. http://eldiario.net/noticias/2011/2011_09/nt110928/5_03nal.php (some of us don't like the Classmates, but to go out and riot because of that, I believe is a first) (of course things are a bit more complex, because it mostly has to do with who got bought by Wintel and who didn't get the sweet - no one in the debate, on either side, cares much about deeper issues of reliability, relevance, responsibility - I've met personally the people in the City Government, and can vouch of this, alas) (the mention of China as country of origin proves how much knowledge is owned - at my last meeting there what seemed to be the biggest argument against the XO by the BO Ministry of Education was that in Rwanda they are used as home lights by people who have no electricity at home - why that is an argument against, really beats me) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Licitación Ceibal
Martin, Segun vos todo lo que hay en el wiki principal (???) es oficial, legal, y sujeto a compromisos legales? parece una declaracion de OLPC Opas los abogados esos que se creerian algo as'i, aunque me imagino que hay de todos tipos. No era que el wiki es wiki? y laptop.org tiene su propio lugar para los pronunciamientos ex-catedra? Sin duda corresponderia que yo ponga esto en mi espacio, si fuera que yo, como pones palabras en mis dedos, estuviera buscando formar empresas para presentar(me) a una licitacion, lo que no es el caso. Lo que pasa, Martin, es que soy un gil que cree que va a haber suficiente gente consecuente con aquello de aplicar los conceptos de trabajo en comunidad, etc, adaptando donde necesario a las argucias legaleras. mira, gracioso, alguien me manda un email dandome la bienvenida al club de los amordazados... Es wiki, hermano, si no te gusta, borralo! (aunque preferiria que apoyes) Al menos corresponde que te agradezca el tono cortes. Aunque el cortarle las alas a la gente, aunque sea dicho de manera cortes, no tiene nombre que se pueda poner en una lista donde vienen damas y menores. Yamandu El 05/07/11, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com escribió: Hola Yama, me parece muy interesante que busques formar empresas u otras formas organizativas para presentarte a una licitación. Te tengo que pedir un favor -- éstas cosas, ponlas bajo tu directorio personal en el wiki (ej: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Yamaplos/Licitacion ) , o en otro sitio no asociado con OLPC que es un non-profit que... se presenta a algunas licitaciones. Las licitaciones son temas legales, y si OLPC fuera a presentarse a una licitación como ésta, los abogados (de todas las partes) estarían más que preocupados por una página que parece una declaración de OLPC. El espacio principal del wiki es para temas claramente técnicos o educativos... gracias - m 2011/7/3 Yamandu Ploskonka yamap...@gmail.com: Puse unas cuantas ideas respecto a la licitación en el wiki. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/LLSCeibal_2011 Por favor, métanle mano. Plazos corren! SI armamos algo o si nos ponemos como para apoyara a alguien, es hasta el 29 de julio Yamandú ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Licitación Ceibal
Tiene arreglo. Estamos buscando algun angel que se ponga con la mosca, y no es dificil aliarse con una empresa afin. Yo mismo tengo en EEUU una empresa con trayectoria mayor de 3 a-os, aunque no en nel rubro exacto El 05/07/11, Gabriel Eirea gei...@gmail.com escribió: Yamandú: (English tl;dr: don't bother with this call for bids, it's not for us.) Entiendo y aplaudo tu empuje para tratar de entrar en esta licitación. Sin embargo, en mi opinión es un esfuerzo inútil porque no hay forma que en este momento un colectivo como el nuestro pueda siquiera presentarse a este llamado. En la página 22 dice: Criterios de Calificación Criterios de cumplimiento obligatorio Empresas que acrediten tres (3) años de actividad económica y demuestren fehacientemente la comercialización del producto ofrecido. A estos efectos aportarán las referencias que avalen esta condición, pudiendo el solicitante recabar, cuando lo creyere necesario, información adicional a este respecto. Contar con experiencias de implementación de los productos presentados, debiendo presentar la información de la siguiente manera: (i) nivel de masividad del despliegue (ii) países en donde se ha implementado (ii) tiempo de desarrollo que tiene el mismo y en la página 58 dice: El valor del pliego es de U$S 2000. En otras palabras, una vez más el liderazgo de Ceibal demuestra que no le interesa incluir desarrollos comunitarios, ni siquiera de pequeñas empresas locales, asumiendo que la compra de soluciones llave en mano es la mejor estrategia cuando en realidad está comprometiendo la sustentabilidad del proyecto. Pero mientras exista la plata dulce del BID que paga el pueblo uruguayo, estas cosas seguirán pasando. Saludos, Gabriel 2011/7/3 Yamandu Ploskonka yamap...@gmail.com: Puse unas cuantas ideas respecto a la licitación en el wiki. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/LLSCeibal_2011 Por favor, métanle mano. Plazos corren! SI armamos algo o si nos ponemos como para apoyara a alguien, es hasta el 29 de julio Yamandú ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Suggestion to close some mailing lists
Let me share MHO about one example: the OLPC-Bolivia list I'd say with no objective evidence :-) that 80-90% is cross postings with Sur. However, that smaller percent left is very much us talk, which I've unsuccessfully :-) tried to corral into the OLE-Bolivia list. Moreover, the few people who have complained when quitting do so because of the excessive mailings that are crossposted from Sur, thus there is a small but very meaningful number of people who really prefer to keep a national-focused list. IMHO any list with more than a couple postings per month should be left alive, no additional questions asked. Their members could be invited to larger lists, but there's a reason and a link that unites them that is missing elsewhere. For example I follow the Indonesia list, with maybe 3 posts in all of this year, and even there at least the archives should remain accessible, and I would err on the side of leaving it be rather than merging. Now, why ever the Coleco list was created and why it was left so long, who knows. OTOH how hard it was to convince people to start Sur... 2011/5/11, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com: On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Christoph Derndorfer Briefly looking through your analysis and the lists I agree on most counts. The one area where I'd probably be more lenient than you is allowing local-/country-lists which are half-decently active to exist separately and not be merged into grassroots@ or olpc-sur@ (examples here are most of the South American country lists). Just to be clear, my suggestions to merge some of the country-specific lists was not based on a judgement that they did not deserve their own list. Rather, it was based on the notion that they share similar challenges (especially those in start-up mode) and they would benefit from hanging out on a list where others were facing similar issues. Peru and Uruguay efforts have matured to the point where they are facing unique challenges in their deployments and coordinating efforts that they don't want to bother others with, and so I did not recommend merging them. We have over 100 languages/dialects represented on the Pootle server and we handle all communication via the single Localization list. This provides great benefit where a Japanese localizer will answer a question posed by a localizer of an African language and vice versa. That said, I posted my recommendations as a strawman to move the discussion forward to more specifics and do not feel I have the right to make any merge/drop calls on behalf of the lists involved. I firmly believe their feedback must be solicited before any action is taken, but my calls were based on the idea of doing something for them, not to them. The delicate balance is where joining a more general list would be discouraging because of the volume of non-specific discussion versus having a specific list that doesn't quite reach critical mass of activity.. It is not an easy determination to make. cjl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] GPL non compliance? was Re: GPL non-compliance, was Re: GPLv3
Guys, with all due respect, this is reaching a level of silly befuddlement. Maybe all source IS available somewhere somehow, thus GPL's honor is safe, and at least technically there is compliance, and saying it ain't so is untrue. Which is not worth a vintén, since such so called availability is so inconvenient that the actual purpose and expectation - that people can freely access the software, and/or do software modifications in their machines- is not there. That is what us Sudacas are trying to get across, and what some don't seem to get in this debate. What the northern experts are trying to tell us is that there is no violation of the GPL. It seems that they may be right, technically, but apparently to actually access source code is something totally beyond most normal developers. Usual distribution of software complies with GPL 2 section 3 in easier ways, like a plain-text document, or an URL where you get such plain text document. So what we got here is that Ceibal might be OK with the law, while the Sabines are basically expected to relax and enjoy it. Curiously, the experts so far have told me how to access and modify such source, but none have pointed to someone who had been successful at it and bypassed the blocks built in. Another relevant quote, the law, in its majestic equality, equally forbids to both rich and poor to pee in the streets, sleep under bridges, and steal bread (following A.France). Walter has shared with me through the years about his efforts to solve this issue - he does care. Yet apparently what he had been told has not been real, maybe he can share with us more details. I do not know how much what he has been told counts, legally, but bottom line is that we don't seem we can hope for this to be solved soon: from another source I got that the fix was supposed to have been part of the update that has already been distributed. Hopefully our experts will come around technicalities and actually put their expertise to fix this real problem, as Walter offers. Godspeed! 2011/4/26, Andrés Ambrois andresambr...@gmail.com: On Tuesday, April 26, 2011 04:14:29 pm Walter Bender wrote: I'd love to channel the energy of this debate into writing some code to expand the utility of View Source to (a) include all of Sugar, not just the Sugar activities; and (b) make it possible from View Source to make modifications that are stored in $HOME but persistent to one's Sugar environment without having to invoke any fancy scripting in the Shell. Maybe something we can tackle in Montevideo next week? Count me in :). -- -Andrés ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
