Re: [IAEP] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Welcome_to_the_Sugar_Labs_wiki
On Mar 16, 2009, at 6:55 AM, Ivan Krstić wrote: The new page desperately wants a single graphical element. Do we have a clean, attractive photo of a child using Sugar (in a way that's visible) somewhere? I've added a graphic in the meantime, and we can swap it out for a photograph later. -- Ivan Krstić krs...@solarsail.hcs.harvard.edu | http://radian.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Welcome_to_the_Sugar_Labs_wiki
On 16 Mar 2009, at 05:50, David Farning wrote: The wiki welcome just got a serious overhaul:) All of the introductory information was better presented on the static portion of the site. Hmmm, I'm going to have to bite my tongue, stick forks in my eyes, and go crawl under my rock – wake me when it's all over :-( --Gary david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Welcome_to_the_Sugar_Labs_wiki
Bernie Innocenti wrote: Bernie Innocenti wrote: And I moved the search box to the top of the sidebar. I restored the Sugar Labs logo to point back at the wiki, for consistency with the navigation tip in the page. I also added back our favicon.ico. And trimmed the news a bit... older news are in a separate page now. We should really consider prepending a date in front of the next news items. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://www.sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Welcome_to_the_Sugar_Labs_wiki
Bernie - the logo has to point to the main page of the site - this was fixed yesterday - again, the crux of the problem is first-time visitors arriving at the side door and not even knowing there is a front door Could you please restore the link to the site hompage as soon as possible? thanks Sean On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Bernie Innocenti wrote: And I moved the search box to the top of the sidebar. I restored the Sugar Labs logo to point back at the wiki, for consistency with the navigation tip in the page. I also added back our favicon.ico. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://www.sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Welcome_to_the_Sugar_Labs_wiki
I agree the integration between the static intro, the wiki, and a.sl.o is clunky. We will be standardizing the navbar at the top of all three sections when we can, as well as editing redundant content in the wiki. Today, we will be welcoming a large number of first-time visitors and they will very surely be disoriented if they start their visit by clicking around on the wiki, which is a possible scenario since Google indexes the wiki before the static intro (a flipflop from the behavior over the past two weeks, but it turns out that Google was fooled when showing www.sugarlabs.org in #1 position; they meant to show wiki.sugarlabs.org). This is why it is absolutely vital that the front door of the site be very easy to find. We are communicating with the media on www.sugarlabs.org and hopefully today there will be lots of external links to that address which will mitigate the importance of supplying navigation to the homepage. It's true that graf in the wiki homepage needs to be fixed, it should better say: snip If you ever get lost, just click on wiki at the top of the screen. To visit the main homepage of www.sugarlabs.org, click the logo in the upper left corner. /snip I agree the separate browser window is clunky too, but since for first-time visitors the wiki and a.sl.o are easy to get to but hard to get out of, it's much better the main homepage and introduction stay available in another window. I think today as we get the Sugar Labs message out we should be much less concerned with what is standard in a wiki, and much more concerned with how journalists, teachers, parents, and funders will be able to escape from the wiki when they get lost. thanks Sean On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Sean DALY wrote: Bernie - the logo has to point to the main page of the site - this was fixed yesterday - again, the crux of the problem is first-time visitors arriving at the side door and not even knowing there is a front door Could you please restore the link to the site hompage as soon as possible? Done, but this paragraph in the main page also needs to be fixed for consistency: ---cut--- If you are a new community member, please take a look around the wiki. You can navigate the wiki using the menus along the left side of the page. If you ever get lost, just click the logo in the upper left corner to bring you back to this page. ---cut--- I also agree with Ivan that this behavior is quite awkward and non-standard. I've already clicked it twice by mistake today :-) We have to find a good balance between friendliness to the casual visitor and usability for everyday users. I also don't quite like how the web site opens a separate browser window for the wiki (and only for that link). Tosay, it's a highly discouraged web UI practice except for opening pop-ups in web applications. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://www.sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Welcome_to_the_Sugar_Labs_wiki
Please note press releases now have their own page: http://www.sugarlabs.org/index.php?template=press Today's press releases in English, Spanish, French and German will go up shortly. thanks Sean On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Bernie Innocenti wrote: Bernie Innocenti wrote: And I moved the search box to the top of the sidebar. I restored the Sugar Labs logo to point back at the wiki, for consistency with the navigation tip in the page. I also added back our favicon.ico. And trimmed the news a bit... older news are in a separate page now. We should really consider prepending a date in front of the next news items. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://www.sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Welcome_to_the_Sugar_Labs_wiki
Sean DALY wrote: Today, we will be welcoming a large number of first-time visitors and they will very surely be disoriented if they start their visit by clicking around on the wiki, which is a possible scenario since Google indexes the wiki before the static intro (a flipflop from the behavior over the past two weeks, but it turns out that Google was fooled when showing www.sugarlabs.org in #1 position; they meant to show wiki.sugarlabs.org). This is why it is absolutely vital that the front door of the site be very easy to find. We are communicating with the media on www.sugarlabs.org and hopefully today there will be lots of external links to that address which will mitigate the importance of supplying navigation to the homepage. Here's a real story: Some time ago, a journalist at the EU parliament asked us for resources about OLPC, so I handed OLPC business card. The man looks for the URL, and then says: yeah... I've found the laptop.org web site, but... don't you have another place where you keep all the information, such as a wiki? :-) -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://www.sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Welcome_to_the_Sugar_Labs_wiki
:D It's a good warning about being too design and not enough content Most journalists I know (and myself when I was a journalist and also later working with PJ at Groklaw) are in a big hurrry to find the information they need: they want the homepage, a link there for press or investor relations, and one additional click to find the day's press releases as well as previous ones. If they get lost in the wiki (and the previous location of press releases *was* rather obscure), they will only need 1 additional click to find the homepage which has the press page link. thanks Sean On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Sean DALY wrote: Today, we will be welcoming a large number of first-time visitors and they will very surely be disoriented if they start their visit by clicking around on the wiki, which is a possible scenario since Google indexes the wiki before the static intro (a flipflop from the behavior over the past two weeks, but it turns out that Google was fooled when showing www.sugarlabs.org in #1 position; they meant to show wiki.sugarlabs.org). This is why it is absolutely vital that the front door of the site be very easy to find. We are communicating with the media on www.sugarlabs.org and hopefully today there will be lots of external links to that address which will mitigate the importance of supplying navigation to the homepage. Here's a real story: Some time ago, a journalist at the EU parliament asked us for resources about OLPC, so I handed OLPC business card. The man looks for the URL, and then says: yeah... I've found the laptop.org web site, but... don't you have another place where you keep all the information, such as a wiki? :-) -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://www.sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Welcome_to_the_Sugar_Labs_wiki
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:48 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Please note press releases now have their own page: http://www.sugarlabs.org/index.php?template=press +1 Today's press releases in English, Spanish, French and German will go up shortly. Keep it up. Do you use PR Newswire? They have a deal for non-profits. thanks Sean Thank you, thank you. -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.net/ (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Welcome_to_the_Sugar_Labs_wiki
Thanks In fact we went with eReleases, they are a PR Newswire partner and their nonprofit Causewire service is affordable and cheaper than other existing nonprofit offers I had looked at last month (PR Newswire, Business Wire, Market Wire, Send2Press). I wound up paying more due to last-minute delays concerning our nonprofit status (the SFC is the nonprofit entity and we are a member project) and the length of our text (longish, but as the first widely distributed PR effort I felt it was worth it). I also paid additional for three categories: Education, ChildrenYouth, and High Tech - Software. We'll see if this effort bears fruit... touching wood ;-) Sean On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:48 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Please note press releases now have their own page: http://www.sugarlabs.org/index.php?template=press +1 Today's press releases in English, Spanish, French and German will go up shortly. Keep it up. Do you use PR Newswire? They have a deal for non-profits. thanks Sean Thank you, thank you. -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.net/ (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Welcome_to_the_Sugar_Labs_wiki
The wiki welcome just got a serious overhaul:) All of the introductory information was better presented on the static portion of the site. david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
