Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [Sugar-devel] Sugar all-hands meeting
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: Did you think about run for a seat in the SLOB? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates I have considered it, but there are two obstacles: First, my current employer requires me to obtain permission from them to be on the board of a non-profit. This is not insurmountable, but likely requires proving (amongst other things) that I can completely isolate Sugar from anything my employer pays me to do for all hours that my employer pays me to work. Second, I would like to see some more public signs of organic growth besides the Google events before I commit more than a few hours per week. My available time outside of work is limited, and I have no intention of providing free labor for someone's unknown customer. I hope you run. The board can't guaranty organic growth but just try involve and connect members in the community. Is not a executive group. But this thread show how we can see this in different ways, you asked What is being done to address the main issues raised by deployments in the latest development survey. I interpreted what the board did and replied Still nothing James provided a reply with what different members in the community did, and is a completely different reply. Then, I agree would be better more people involved in the board meetings. Walter, can you confirm if will be next monday or the 8th and the time? James, the slobs meeting is usually at our night, then you are awake ;) Gonzalo The next meeting is scheduled for Monday, 1 June (i.e., the first Monday of the month) at 23UTC (19:00 in Boston/NY/Asuncion) (20:00 Montevideo/BA) (9:00 Tuesday in Sydney). regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [Sugar-devel] Sugar all-hands meeting
Did you think about run for a seat in the SLOB? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates I have considered it, but there are two obstacles: First, my current employer requires me to obtain permission from them to be on the board of a non-profit. This is not insurmountable, but likely requires proving (amongst other things) that I can completely isolate Sugar from anything my employer pays me to do for all hours that my employer pays me to work. Second, I would like to see some more public signs of organic growth besides the Google events before I commit more than a few hours per week. My available time outside of work is limited, and I have no intention of providing free labor for someone's unknown customer. I hope you run. The board can't guaranty organic growth but just try involve and connect members in the community. Is not a executive group. But this thread show how we can see this in different ways, you asked What is being done to address the main issues raised by deployments in the latest development survey. I interpreted what the board did and replied Still nothing James provided a reply with what different members in the community did, and is a completely different reply. Then, I agree would be better more people involved in the board meetings. Walter, can you confirm if will be next monday or the 8th and the time? James, the slobs meeting is usually at our night, then you are awake ;) Gonzalo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [Sugar-devel] Sugar all-hands meeting
All are good questions. Some replies below. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Samuel Greenfeld sam...@greenfeld.org wrote: Looking at past minutes, I think I am proposing more of a change in procedure than topics for the oversight meeting. We need to get more people involved than are present in the IRC meetings. I don't see how changing the communication media used for the meeting will get more people involved. In particular audio/video chat is worst than text when there are more people. But I agree we need more people in the meetings. In general I am echoing what was said on the Planning for the Future email thread from three months ago. But some topics (for the oversight meeting or an all-hands meeting) would be: 1. What can Sugar publicly commit to having in terms of users/developers/finances/etc. beyond what was mentioned in the deployment survey. Witness Dan's complaints over the 3 million number, James noting no one filed a bug report for Sugar 0.105.1 yet, the lack of candidates for past elections, the lack of interaction between the XS development and Sugar development communities, etc. It also would be useful to know what users/developers/etc. could publicly commit to Sugar. When we talked about the deployments survey, someone proposed make a survey in the community too. I think that would be a good idea. We need know who is active and what can do. And think in the community globally, not only developers. We need testers, deployers, teachers, infrastructure people, translators, write documentation, improve our web space, marketing, etc. 1. What is being done to address the main issues raised by deployments in the latest development survey. Still nothing. We received replies from 3 more deployments, then I will update the summary and release a version 1.1 We also prepared a thank you reply email for who replied to the survey, and I started to send it. 1. A complete holistic overhaul of how releases are done and marketed. Sugar was originally created with a if you build it, they will come approach that many community members have at least privately complained about. We need real-world examples of how to integrate Sugar with curriculums, reference deployments willing to speak with prospective ones, etc. Setting up Sugar needs to be no harder than a child using it for the first time. Good points, we need find a way to set priorities and find the resources (even if is volunteer time) to make them a reality. 1. What is being done to attract new deployments, developers (besides GSoC) and project sponsors. 2. I would like to propose a Sugar Ambassador program similar to the Fedora one where less-technical members of the community could engage with other groups to figure out what they would need to use Sugar. This does not necessarily mean that we need to fly them everywhere; but it would give us a good idea of what might be required to obtain gain certain types of deployments. Did you think about run for a seat in the SLOB? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates Gonzalo On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: The next Sugar Labs oversight board meeting is on Monday. Anyone in the community is, as always, welcome to suggest discussion topics. -walter On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Samuel Greenfeld sam...@greenfeld.org wrote: I know there have been various board and development meetings for Sugar. But I would like to propose having an all-hands meeting where anyone in the Sugar community as well as related groups (deployments, schoolserver, etc.) could raise a topic and attend. If there are few enough people, we might be able to do this with a Google Hangout. For larger crowds we should try to get permission to use an international conference bridge (to avoid a dozen echo cancelers getting confused by each other). There are a lot of things that need to be done that I suspect could happen given a wider audience. --- SJG ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [Sugar-devel] Sugar all-hands meeting
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: I don't see how changing the communication media used for the meeting will get more people involved. In particular audio/video chat is worst than text when there are more people. But I agree we need more people in the meetings. I am not saying every meeting needs to be video or voice; but it would be good to have some variety once in a while. There are a lot of minor details communicated in verbal and visual communication that do not translate well to text. 1. What is being done to attract new deployments, developers (besides GSoC) and project sponsors. 2. I would like to propose a Sugar Ambassador program similar to the Fedora one where less-technical members of the community could engage with other groups to figure out what they would need to use Sugar. This does not necessarily mean that we need to fly them everywhere; but it would give us a good idea of what might be required to obtain gain certain types of deployments. Did you think about run for a seat in the SLOB? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates I have considered it, but there are two obstacles: First, my current employer requires me to obtain permission from them to be on the board of a non-profit. This is not insurmountable, but likely requires proving (amongst other things) that I can completely isolate Sugar from anything my employer pays me to do for all hours that my employer pays me to work. Second, I would like to see some more public signs of organic growth besides the Google events before I commit more than a few hours per week. My available time outside of work is limited, and I have no intention of providing free labor for someone's unknown customer. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
