Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 06:11:31PM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 12 2011, Walter Bender wrote: Can we discuss this? I think it would be good to have a certificate program of some sort. I image that if we get sign-off by 2+ experienced developers, we should be willing to award some sort of certificate (perhaps we can get the design team to work something up.) Perhaps we could tie the certificate-awarding to posting an activity on ASLO and getting a review from someone on the Activity Team or something? Perhaps even prominent reviewers on ASLO (are there any?). Either way it's more sustainable and honest than herding developers to sign off on certificates. Thanks, - Chris. Martin pgpDmJTzX08Zv.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity
I like the idea of giving certificates, but I think we should take the opportunity to enforce some simple best practices, like requiring a toolbar, requiring Share and Keep buttons to be hidden if they aren't used, requiring a proper icon for the Activity, etc. It might be nice to have two levels of certificate. Since shared Activities are more difficult to develop, maybe we have a separate certificate for those. James Simmons On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:53 AM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.comwrote: On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 06:11:31PM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 12 2011, Walter Bender wrote: Can we discuss this? I think it would be good to have a certificate program of some sort. I image that if we get sign-off by 2+ experienced developers, we should be willing to award some sort of certificate (perhaps we can get the design team to work something up.) Perhaps we could tie the certificate-awarding to posting an activity on ASLO and getting a review from someone on the Activity Team or something? Perhaps even prominent reviewers on ASLO (are there any?). Either way it's more sustainable and honest than herding developers to sign off on certificates. Thanks, - Chris. Martin ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity
Yes. Also, we must recommend working more in the open, I don't know why, but in particular students in universities are very reluctant to integrate to the community, and are happy dropping a finished product without interaction. Gonzalo On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:37 AM, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote: I like the idea of giving certificates, but I think we should take the opportunity to enforce some simple best practices, like requiring a toolbar, requiring Share and Keep buttons to be hidden if they aren't used, requiring a proper icon for the Activity, etc. It might be nice to have two levels of certificate. Since shared Activities are more difficult to develop, maybe we have a separate certificate for those. James Simmons On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:53 AM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.comwrote: On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 06:11:31PM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 12 2011, Walter Bender wrote: Can we discuss this? I think it would be good to have a certificate program of some sort. I image that if we get sign-off by 2+ experienced developers, we should be willing to award some sort of certificate (perhaps we can get the design team to work something up.) Perhaps we could tie the certificate-awarding to posting an activity on ASLO and getting a review from someone on the Activity Team or something? Perhaps even prominent reviewers on ASLO (are there any?). Either way it's more sustainable and honest than herding developers to sign off on certificates. Thanks, - Chris. Martin ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:37 AM, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote: I like the idea of giving certificates, but I think we should take the opportunity to enforce some simple best practices, like requiring a toolbar, requiring Share and Keep buttons to be hidden if they aren't used, requiring a proper icon for the Activity, etc. It might be nice to have two levels of certificate. Since shared Activities are more difficult to develop, maybe we have a separate certificate for those. James Simmons Just to bang my usual drum, personally I would consider i18n and follow through (PO file on Poolte) to be a core element, but maybe you can use that for an advanced certificate criteria, cjl volunteer Sugar Labs / OLPC / eToys / Poolte admin ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 6:28 AM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:37 AM, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote: I like the idea of giving certificates, but I think we should take the opportunity to enforce some simple best practices, like requiring a toolbar, requiring Share and Keep buttons to be hidden if they aren't used, requiring a proper icon for the Activity, etc. It might be nice to have two levels of certificate. Since shared Activities are more difficult to develop, maybe we have a separate certificate for those. James Simmons Just to bang my usual drum, personally I would consider i18n and follow through (PO file on Poolte) to be a core element, but maybe you can use that for an advanced certificate criteria, Another thought on an advanced certificate criterion, implementing sharing / collaboration. cjl volunteer Sugar Labs / OLPC / eToys / Poolte admin ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity
Gonzalo, having worked with a handful of student groups in Austria over the past three years I agree with your observation. With education students I feel it's hard to get them involved because they're simply not used to tools such as mailing-lists, wikis, and IRC which happen to be the places where most of the existing community hangs out. While I always try to encourage them to participate or even simply listen to the conversation especially here on IAEP it only seldomely works out (e.g. the OLPC in Science-Subjects --- NEED HELP!!! mail from one of the current students back in May or so:-). But more often then not I end up being the gate-keeper and forwarding relevant mails to them from the lists, etc. :-/ So while I know I'm beating a very dead horse here: Unless we change or adapt our communication processes and tools I personally don't expect many educators (students or not) to participate in the community. With engineering students I thought that things would be easier however unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case, at least here in Austria. Again, there was a tiny bit of involvement at some points in the past but when you see people updating source code via e-mail attachments and Skype messages you realize that you generally have a long way to go... Here I feel that maybe having a separate sugar-students@ mailing list might be a way forward. Ideally some experienced developers and community people would closely monitor it and offer timely replies. Everyone working with students should then encourage them to sign up there. This way there'd be a space for them to collaborate, exchange experiences, and discuss issues without being overwhelmed by the traffic on IAEP and sugar-devel which can be very overwhelming at times, particularly when you're just getting involved. Last but not least we have to realize that many student projects operate on a term-by-term basis. Still being a student myself I know how little time that tends to leave for doing anything that doesn't directly affect your grade... :-/ Cheers, Christoph Am 13.07.2011 12:27, schrieb Gonzalo Odiard: Yes. Also, we must recommend working more in the open, I don't know why, but in particular students in universities are very reluctant to integrate to the community, and are happy dropping a finished product without interaction. Gonzalo On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:37 AM, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com mailto:nices...@gmail.com wrote: I like the idea of giving certificates, but I think we should take the opportunity to enforce some simple best practices, like requiring a toolbar, requiring Share and Keep buttons to be hidden if they aren't used, requiring a proper icon for the Activity, etc. It might be nice to have two levels of certificate. Since shared Activities are more difficult to develop, maybe we have a separate certificate for those. James Simmons On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:53 AM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com mailto:mar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 06:11:31PM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 12 2011, Walter Bender wrote: Can we discuss this? I think it would be good to have a certificate program of some sort. I image that if we get sign-off by 2+ experienced developers, we should be willing to award some sort of certificate (perhaps we can get the design team to work something up.) Perhaps we could tie the certificate-awarding to posting an activity on ASLO and getting a review from someone on the Activity Team or something? Perhaps even prominent reviewers on ASLO (are there any?). Either way it's more sustainable and honest than herding developers to sign off on certificates. Thanks, - Chris. Martin ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity
Chris, I would consider Pootle support basic good practice, not advanced. I agree with others who said we need to get them involved in the community. That might actually make the certificate attractive to teachers. If he assigns a student to get a certificate from us the student will learn valuable skills that he doesn't have to teach, and the project will be pre-graded in a sense too. I think MYOSA covers all the things we want the students to do: Git, Pootle, icons, toolbars, etc. I know that student projects have to be short, but none of this stuff takes that much time. Doing it right takes no longer than doing it wrong. James Simmons On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:28 AM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:37 AM, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote: I like the idea of giving certificates, but I think we should take the opportunity to enforce some simple best practices, like requiring a toolbar, requiring Share and Keep buttons to be hidden if they aren't used, requiring a proper icon for the Activity, etc. It might be nice to have two levels of certificate. Since shared Activities are more difficult to develop, maybe we have a separate certificate for those. James Simmons Just to bang my usual drum, personally I would consider i18n and follow through (PO file on Poolte) to be a core element, but maybe you can use that for an advanced certificate criteria, cjl volunteer Sugar Labs / OLPC / eToys / Poolte admin ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 04:07:49PM +0200, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: With education students I feel it's hard to get them involved because they're simply not used to tools such as mailing-lists, wikis, and IRC How do you think we could reach education students? Is it worth doing? Last but not least we have to realize that many student projects operate on a term-by-term basis. Probably not, I guess...? Cheers, Christoph Martin pgpxneeNJLeNb.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:27 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: Yes. Also, we must recommend working more in the open, I don't know why, but in particular students in universities are very reluctant to integrate to the community, and are happy dropping a finished product without interaction. Gonzalo A lot of it has to do with motivation. Students typically pick up a project because they have a requirement, and may be passionate about the work at that moment, but needs of looking for a job, working on other course assignments etc. will quickly supersede their original project direction. The reluctance of integrating with the community stems from the requirements of the project (schedule/deliverables are course driven) and a usual lack of understanding of how FOSS projects work. Once the university requirement is satisfied, their motivation to continue typically goes away. However, if we are able to inculcate in these students, a desire for working on these projects while they are in the course, and integrate them into the community, then there is hope of continued work. cheers, Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor, Information Systems Director, Campus Business Solutions San Francisco State University http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ http://cbs.sfsu.edu/ http://is.sfsu.edu/ On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:37 AM, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote: I like the idea of giving certificates, but I think we should take the opportunity to enforce some simple best practices, like requiring a toolbar, requiring Share and Keep buttons to be hidden if they aren't used, requiring a proper icon for the Activity, etc. It might be nice to have two levels of certificate. Since shared Activities are more difficult to develop, maybe we have a separate certificate for those. James Simmons On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:53 AM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 06:11:31PM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 12 2011, Walter Bender wrote: Can we discuss this? I think it would be good to have a certificate program of some sort. I image that if we get sign-off by 2+ experienced developers, we should be willing to award some sort of certificate (perhaps we can get the design team to work something up.) Perhaps we could tie the certificate-awarding to posting an activity on ASLO and getting a review from someone on the Activity Team or something? Perhaps even prominent reviewers on ASLO (are there any?). Either way it's more sustainable and honest than herding developers to sign off on certificates. Thanks, - Chris. Martin ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity
Just to remind the list about this guidance that I think is very useful and mentions pootle, collaboration, etc. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Library/Editors/Policy On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:27 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: Yes. Also, we must recommend working more in the open, I don't know why, but in particular students in universities are very reluctant to integrate to the community, and are happy dropping a finished product without interaction. Gonzalo A lot of it has to do with motivation. Students typically pick up a project because they have a requirement, and may be passionate about the work at that moment, but needs of looking for a job, working on other course assignments etc. will quickly supersede their original project direction. The reluctance of integrating with the community stems from the requirements of the project (schedule/deliverables are course driven) and a usual lack of understanding of how FOSS projects work. Once the university requirement is satisfied, their motivation to continue typically goes away. However, if we are able to inculcate in these students, a desire for working on these projects while they are in the course, and integrate them into the community, then there is hope of continued work. cheers, Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor, Information Systems Director, Campus Business Solutions San Francisco State University http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ http://cbs.sfsu.edu/ http://is.sfsu.edu/ On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:37 AM, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote: I like the idea of giving certificates, but I think we should take the opportunity to enforce some simple best practices, like requiring a toolbar, requiring Share and Keep buttons to be hidden if they aren't used, requiring a proper icon for the Activity, etc. It might be nice to have two levels of certificate. Since shared Activities are more difficult to develop, maybe we have a separate certificate for those. James Simmons On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:53 AM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 06:11:31PM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 12 2011, Walter Bender wrote: Can we discuss this? I think it would be good to have a certificate program of some sort. I image that if we get sign-off by 2+ experienced developers, we should be willing to award some sort of certificate (perhaps we can get the design team to work something up.) Perhaps we could tie the certificate-awarding to posting an activity on ASLO and getting a review from someone on the Activity Team or something? Perhaps even prominent reviewers on ASLO (are there any?). Either way it's more sustainable and honest than herding developers to sign off on certificates. Thanks, - Chris. Martin ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity
Sameer, I remember being a student like it was yesterday. The thing is, you have classes like this one that Mel Chua pointed out awhile back: http://csci462-2011.wikispaces.com/ I looked at some of their blogs and some of them were struggling with pretty basic stuff like how to put in a toolbar, etc. They were using my book as a reference and still didn't quite get it. If I had been able to help them (not do the work, but point them in the right direction) I would have. The kind of stuff we'd like for them to do is the same kind of thing future employers are going to want, for the same reasons. I really think we have something to offer them. Once they are part of the community they may find that they like it. James Simmons On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:27 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: Yes. Also, we must recommend working more in the open, I don't know why, but in particular students in universities are very reluctant to integrate to the community, and are happy dropping a finished product without interaction. Gonzalo A lot of it has to do with motivation. Students typically pick up a project because they have a requirement, and may be passionate about the work at that moment, but needs of looking for a job, working on other course assignments etc. will quickly supersede their original project direction. The reluctance of integrating with the community stems from the requirements of the project (schedule/deliverables are course driven) and a usual lack of understanding of how FOSS projects work. Once the university requirement is satisfied, their motivation to continue typically goes away. However, if we are able to inculcate in these students, a desire for working on these projects while they are in the course, and integrate them into the community, then there is hope of continued work. cheers, Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor, Information Systems Director, Campus Business Solutions San Francisco State University http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ http://cbs.sfsu.edu/ http://is.sfsu.edu/ On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:37 AM, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote: I like the idea of giving certificates, but I think we should take the opportunity to enforce some simple best practices, like requiring a toolbar, requiring Share and Keep buttons to be hidden if they aren't used, requiring a proper icon for the Activity, etc. It might be nice to have two levels of certificate. Since shared Activities are more difficult to develop, maybe we have a separate certificate for those. James Simmons On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:53 AM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 06:11:31PM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 12 2011, Walter Bender wrote: Can we discuss this? I think it would be good to have a certificate program of some sort. I image that if we get sign-off by 2+ experienced developers, we should be willing to award some sort of certificate (perhaps we can get the design team to work something up.) Perhaps we could tie the certificate-awarding to posting an activity on ASLO and getting a review from someone on the Activity Team or something? Perhaps even prominent reviewers on ASLO (are there any?). Either way it's more sustainable and honest than herding developers to sign off on certificates. Thanks, - Chris. Martin ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity
I agree with most of your comments, and the next comments, we have knowledge useful to share, working with others, a lot of tools, professional level reviews, etc and also interacting have a cost for the students and the community (time, effort,etc). I do not think creating a low trafic list will solve the issue, (we tried stimulate the spanish community with the sugar-desarrollo list without success) I think the only solution is having a mostly permanent contact in a university, then the students will have short time interactions, but a lot of knowledge will be in the teachers. Then we need sell to a university teacher the idea of working with us. Gonzalo Here I feel that maybe having a separate sugar-students@ mailing list might be a way forward. Ideally some experienced developers and community people would closely monitor it and offer timely replies. Everyone working with students should then encourage them to sign up there. This way there'd be a space for them to collaborate, exchange experiences, and discuss issues without being overwhelmed by the traffic on IAEP and sugar-devel which can be very overwhelming at times, particularly when you're just getting involved. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity
Hi Martin, long time no see, hope all is well in HK! :-) Am 13.07.2011 19:13, schrieb Martin Dengler: On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 04:07:49PM +0200, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: With education students I feel it's hard to get them involved because they're simply not used to tools such as mailing-lists, wikis, and IRC How do you think we could reach education students? (a) By working on things that are actually relevant to them. (b) By making an effort to understand them rather than forcing them (and largely failing) to understand us. (All assuming that you believe in the education vs. technology divide which some very smart people challenged during the eduJAM! summit back in May.;-) Is it worth doing? Yes, because speaking to technology people only helps you figure out whether you're doing things right. Speaking to education people helps you figure out whether you're doing the right things. (- the good ol' software verification vs. validation debate) Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity
Hi Gonzalo, as you know I'm generally a fan of process rather than tool solutions but in this particular case I think that having a separate mailing list (and the aforementioned associated process;-) could actually help. IMHO the signal to noise ratio on lists such as IAEP is relatively low, particularly for people who only want to drop in for a couple of months (hopefully only initially that is). Even looking at my own inbox I currently have ~9500 unread e-mails out of the ~13800 messages sent via IAEP since it was first established. And I certainly do agree that professors at schools and universities are a vital component as they're a continuum in these institutions. However even with our small pilot project being a good, almost vital, selling point I haven't yet figure out a way to attract more of them to this community. From my own experience I do believe that long-term funding and/or institutional commitment (e.g. Uruguay's Flor de Ceibo) and associated research - and subsequent output in the form of papers, etc. - play an important role here. Though how to really get there I honestly don't know... :-? Cheers, Christoph Am 13.07.2011 20:38, schrieb Gonzalo Odiard: I agree with most of your comments, and the next comments, we have knowledge useful to share, working with others, a lot of tools, professional level reviews, etc and also interacting have a cost for the students and the community (time, effort,etc). I do not think creating a low trafic list will solve the issue, (we tried stimulate the spanish community with the sugar-desarrollo list without success) I think the only solution is having a mostly permanent contact in a university, then the students will have short time interactions, but a lot of knowledge will be in the teachers. Then we need sell to a university teacher the idea of working with us. Gonzalo Here I feel that maybe having a separate sugar-students@ mailing list might be a way forward. Ideally some experienced developers and community people would closely monitor it and offer timely replies. Everyone working with students should then encourage them to sign up there. This way there'd be a space for them to collaborate, exchange experiences, and discuss issues without being overwhelmed by the traffic on IAEP and sugar-devel which can be very overwhelming at times, particularly when you're just getting involved. -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity
Hi, On Tue, Jul 12 2011, Walter Bender wrote: Can we discuss this? I think it would be good to have a certificate program of some sort. I image that if we get sign-off by 2+ experienced developers, we should be willing to award some sort of certificate (perhaps we can get the design team to work something up.) Perhaps we could tie the certificate-awarding to posting an activity on ASLO and getting a review from someone on the Activity Team or something? Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball c...@laptop.org http://printf.net/ One Laptop Per Child ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
