Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Local Labs motion

2012-06-01 Thread Walter Bender
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 07:50:12AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote:
 On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 5:10 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
  On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 07:13:26PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote:
  Buried in the meeting log [1] is a motion [5] to adopt three changes
  [2, 3, 4] to the Trademark [6] and Local Labs [7] pages in the wiki.
  The motion was seconded and we began a vote, but whereas it seemed to
  be a controversial decision, I though it prudent to ask those who were
  not able to attend today's Sugar Labs oversight board meeting to also
  vote.
 
  So far,
 
  walter +1
  cjl +1
 
  icarito -1
 
  alsroot has not voted yet.
 
  My purpose for not [yet, until making the situation clear] voting is
  that I still don't see any difference between arguing sides, because
  the only difference I see is that arguing sides are talking about
  different subjects.
 
  If I got it right, the conflict point is [4]. For me, it is clear that
  it is *only* about legal cases (and even [4] is changing nothing because
  it is exactly how community driven FOSS projects behave), i.e., where
  SFC is providing services for SL. And actually it is 0.01% of all SL
  work.
 
  And if I'm right in my vision, the only problem lays in presenting
  [6] [7] in proper light, i.e., avoid treating [6] and [7] by people as
  a main policy regarding all possible relations between SL and SL labs
  ([6] and [7] are only about legal/official relations and it is 0.01% of
  all possible relations).

 I think your analysis is correct. The SFC is asking us to make changes
 to the language on our wiki to reflect the actual facts regarding the
 relationship between the project and the Conservancy. While we may
 quibble about the niceties of the wording, the facts don't change. I
 think the language is clear. There was one proposal made to change it,
 which the SFC rejected for reasons I need not repeat again here. I
 don't understand the need to discuss it further. In fact, in some
 ways, since we are discussing facts, not opinion, I am not sure that
 we have any role here other than to acknowledge the facts and to
 communicate clearly to our community what those facts are. I think the
 current language does that.

 Please cast your vote or abstain, as we need to bring this matter of
 fact to closure one way or another.

 I hope it was clear what I was trying to say.

    my +1 for the [5]

 And for sure, [5] should not go to [7] directly and go to, e.g.:

    http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs/Legal_treatment

 because [7] is the start page for any LL related efforts, but [5] is very
 specific matter and only for people who take care about legal treatment.

  [1] 
  http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10
  [2] 
  http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739410
  [3] 
  http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739421
  [4] 
  http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739445
  [5] 
  http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739570
  [6] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trademark
  [7] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs
  [8] 
  http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739707

 --
 Aleksey

We've not heard from Adam, but nonetheless, the motion passes, 4 for,
2 against. I  will update the wiki ASAP.

Regarding Icarito's proposal, since Tony was not happy with the
language, it is moot.

Of course, we will entertain additional motions for refining the text,
but meanwhile, I suggest we invest effort in discussing New Co, which
is  more liely to be able to accommodate some of the needs of local
community groups.

regards.

-walter

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Local Labs motion

2012-06-01 Thread Holt

+1 to the motion adopting Tony's text.

Thanks for the hard work of so many.


On 6/1/2012 9:20 AM, Walter Bender wrote:

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Aleksey Limalsr...@sugarlabs.org  wrote:

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 07:50:12AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote:

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 5:10 AM, Aleksey Limalsr...@sugarlabs.org  wrote:

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 07:13:26PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote:

Buried in the meeting log [1] is a motion [5] to adopt three changes
[2, 3, 4] to the Trademark [6] and Local Labs [7] pages in the wiki.
The motion was seconded and we began a vote, but whereas it seemed to
be a controversial decision, I though it prudent to ask those who were
not able to attend today's Sugar Labs oversight board meeting to also
vote.

So far,

walter +1
cjl +1

icarito -1

alsroot has not voted yet.

My purpose for not [yet, until making the situation clear] voting is
that I still don't see any difference between arguing sides, because
the only difference I see is that arguing sides are talking about
different subjects.

If I got it right, the conflict point is [4]. For me, it is clear that
it is *only* about legal cases (and even [4] is changing nothing because
it is exactly how community driven FOSS projects behave), i.e., where
SFC is providing services for SL. And actually it is 0.01% of all SL
work.

And if I'm right in my vision, the only problem lays in presenting
[6] [7] in proper light, i.e., avoid treating [6] and [7] by people as
a main policy regarding all possible relations between SL and SL labs
([6] and [7] are only about legal/official relations and it is 0.01% of
all possible relations).

I think your analysis is correct. The SFC is asking us to make changes
to the language on our wiki to reflect the actual facts regarding the
relationship between the project and the Conservancy. While we may
quibble about the niceties of the wording, the facts don't change. I
think the language is clear. There was one proposal made to change it,
which the SFC rejected for reasons I need not repeat again here. I
don't understand the need to discuss it further. In fact, in some
ways, since we are discussing facts, not opinion, I am not sure that
we have any role here other than to acknowledge the facts and to
communicate clearly to our community what those facts are. I think the
current language does that.

Please cast your vote or abstain, as we need to bring this matter of
fact to closure one way or another.

I hope it was clear what I was trying to say.

my +1 for the [5]

And for sure, [5] should not go to [7] directly and go to, e.g.:

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs/Legal_treatment

because [7] is the start page for any LL related efforts, but [5] is very
specific matter and only for people who take care about legal treatment.


[1] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10
[2] 
http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739410
[3] 
http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739421
[4] 
http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739445
[5] 
http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739570
[6] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trademark
[7] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs
[8] 
http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739707

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We've not heard from Adam, but nonetheless, the motion passes, 4 for,
2 against. I  will update the wiki ASAP.

Regarding Icarito's proposal, since Tony was not happy with the
language, it is moot.

Of course, we will entertain additional motions for refining the text,
but meanwhile, I suggest we invest effort in discussing New Co, which
is  more liely to be able to accommodate some of the needs of local
community groups.

regards.

-walter



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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Local Labs motion

2012-05-31 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 07:13:26PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote:
 Buried in the meeting log [1] is a motion [5] to adopt three changes
 [2, 3, 4] to the Trademark [6] and Local Labs [7] pages in the wiki.
 The motion was seconded and we began a vote, but whereas it seemed to
 be a controversial decision, I though it prudent to ask those who were
 not able to attend today's Sugar Labs oversight board meeting to also
 vote.
 
 So far,
 
 walter +1
 cjl +1
 
 icarito -1
 
 alsroot has not voted yet.

My purpose for not [yet, until making the situation clear] voting is
that I still don't see any difference between arguing sides, because
the only difference I see is that arguing sides are talking about
different subjects.

If I got it right, the conflict point is [4]. For me, it is clear that
it is *only* about legal cases (and even [4] is changing nothing because
it is exactly how community driven FOSS projects behave), i.e., where
SFC is providing services for SL. And actually it is 0.01% of all SL
work.

And if I'm right in my vision, the only problem lays in presenting 
[6] [7] in proper light, i.e., avoid treating [6] and [7] by people as
a main policy regarding all possible relations between SL and SL labs
([6] and [7] are only about legal/official relations and it is 0.01% of
all possible relations).

 cjb, canoeberry, and geralda were not present.
 
 Please respond to this email with your vote.
 
 Also, there was motion [8], not yet seconded, to ask Tony if he was OK
 with a change in the wording of [4]. There was not consensus on the
 wording, but there was consensus on asking for Tony's input.
 
 Tony, could you please chime in?
 
 thanks.
 
 -walter
 
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 Sugar Labs
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 [1] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10
 [2] 
 http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739410
 [3] 
 http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739421
 [4] 
 http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739445
 [5] 
 http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739570
 [6] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trademark
 [7] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs
 [8] 
 http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739707
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Local Labs motion

2012-05-31 Thread Walter Bender
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 5:10 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 07:13:26PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote:
 Buried in the meeting log [1] is a motion [5] to adopt three changes
 [2, 3, 4] to the Trademark [6] and Local Labs [7] pages in the wiki.
 The motion was seconded and we began a vote, but whereas it seemed to
 be a controversial decision, I though it prudent to ask those who were
 not able to attend today's Sugar Labs oversight board meeting to also
 vote.

 So far,

 walter +1
 cjl +1

 icarito -1

 alsroot has not voted yet.

 My purpose for not [yet, until making the situation clear] voting is
 that I still don't see any difference between arguing sides, because
 the only difference I see is that arguing sides are talking about
 different subjects.

 If I got it right, the conflict point is [4]. For me, it is clear that
 it is *only* about legal cases (and even [4] is changing nothing because
 it is exactly how community driven FOSS projects behave), i.e., where
 SFC is providing services for SL. And actually it is 0.01% of all SL
 work.

 And if I'm right in my vision, the only problem lays in presenting
 [6] [7] in proper light, i.e., avoid treating [6] and [7] by people as
 a main policy regarding all possible relations between SL and SL labs
 ([6] and [7] are only about legal/official relations and it is 0.01% of
 all possible relations).

I think your analysis is correct. The SFC is asking us to make changes
to the language on our wiki to reflect the actual facts regarding the
relationship between the project and the Conservancy. While we may
quibble about the niceties of the wording, the facts don't change. I
think the language is clear. There was one proposal made to change it,
which the SFC rejected for reasons I need not repeat again here. I
don't understand the need to discuss it further. In fact, in some
ways, since we are discussing facts, not opinion, I am not sure that
we have any role here other than to acknowledge the facts and to
communicate clearly to our community what those facts are. I think the
current language does that.

Please cast your vote or abstain, as we need to bring this matter of
fact to closure one way or another.

regards.

-walter

 cjb, canoeberry, and geralda were not present.

 Please respond to this email with your vote.

 Also, there was motion [8], not yet seconded, to ask Tony if he was OK
 with a change in the wording of [4]. There was not consensus on the
 wording, but there was consensus on asking for Tony's input.

 Tony, could you please chime in?

 thanks.

 -walter

 --
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 Sugar Labs
 http://www.sugarlabs.org


 [1] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10
 [2] 
 http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739410
 [3] 
 http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739421
 [4] 
 http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739445
 [5] 
 http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739570
 [6] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trademark
 [7] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs
 [8] 
 http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739707
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Local Labs motion

2012-05-31 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 07:50:12AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote:
 On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 5:10 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
  On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 07:13:26PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote:
  Buried in the meeting log [1] is a motion [5] to adopt three changes
  [2, 3, 4] to the Trademark [6] and Local Labs [7] pages in the wiki.
  The motion was seconded and we began a vote, but whereas it seemed to
  be a controversial decision, I though it prudent to ask those who were
  not able to attend today's Sugar Labs oversight board meeting to also
  vote.
 
  So far,
 
  walter +1
  cjl +1
 
  icarito -1
 
  alsroot has not voted yet.
 
  My purpose for not [yet, until making the situation clear] voting is
  that I still don't see any difference between arguing sides, because
  the only difference I see is that arguing sides are talking about
  different subjects.
 
  If I got it right, the conflict point is [4]. For me, it is clear that
  it is *only* about legal cases (and even [4] is changing nothing because
  it is exactly how community driven FOSS projects behave), i.e., where
  SFC is providing services for SL. And actually it is 0.01% of all SL
  work.
 
  And if I'm right in my vision, the only problem lays in presenting
  [6] [7] in proper light, i.e., avoid treating [6] and [7] by people as
  a main policy regarding all possible relations between SL and SL labs
  ([6] and [7] are only about legal/official relations and it is 0.01% of
  all possible relations).
 
 I think your analysis is correct. The SFC is asking us to make changes
 to the language on our wiki to reflect the actual facts regarding the
 relationship between the project and the Conservancy. While we may
 quibble about the niceties of the wording, the facts don't change. I
 think the language is clear. There was one proposal made to change it,
 which the SFC rejected for reasons I need not repeat again here. I
 don't understand the need to discuss it further. In fact, in some
 ways, since we are discussing facts, not opinion, I am not sure that
 we have any role here other than to acknowledge the facts and to
 communicate clearly to our community what those facts are. I think the
 current language does that.
 
 Please cast your vote or abstain, as we need to bring this matter of
 fact to closure one way or another.

I hope it was clear what I was trying to say.

my +1 for the [5]

And for sure, [5] should not go to [7] directly and go to, e.g.:

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs/Legal_treatment

because [7] is the start page for any LL related efforts, but [5] is very
specific matter and only for people who take care about legal treatment.

  [1] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10
  [2] 
  http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739410
  [3] 
  http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739421
  [4] 
  http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739445
  [5] 
  http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739570
  [6] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trademark
  [7] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs
  [8] 
  http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739707

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[IAEP] [SLOBS] Local Labs motion

2012-05-30 Thread Walter Bender
Buried in the meeting log [1] is a motion [5] to adopt three changes
[2, 3, 4] to the Trademark [6] and Local Labs [7] pages in the wiki.
The motion was seconded and we began a vote, but whereas it seemed to
be a controversial decision, I though it prudent to ask those who were
not able to attend today's Sugar Labs oversight board meeting to also
vote.

So far,

walter +1
cjl +1

icarito -1

alsroot has not voted yet.

cjb, canoeberry, and geralda were not present.

Please respond to this email with your vote.

Also, there was motion [8], not yet seconded, to ask Tony if he was OK
with a change in the wording of [4]. There was not consensus on the
wording, but there was consensus on asking for Tony's input.

Tony, could you please chime in?

thanks.

-walter

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[1] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10
[2] 
http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739410
[3] 
http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739421
[4] 
http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739445
[5] 
http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739570
[6] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trademark
[7] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs
[8] 
http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739707
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Local Labs motion

2012-05-30 Thread Chris Ball
Hi,

I'm sorry I wasn't there; it conflicted with OLPC's weekly engineering
meeting.  I should be able to make the next meeting.

Responding in reverse order:

On Wed, May 30 2012, Walter Bender wrote:
 Also, there was motion [8], not yet seconded, to ask Tony if he was OK
 with a change in the wording of [4]. There was not consensus on the
 wording, but there was consensus on asking for Tony's input.

I don't think this needs to be voted on -- we can talk to Tony without
voting to decide to talk to Tony.  Let's do that.

 Buried in the meeting log [1] is a motion [5] to adopt three changes
 [2, 3, 4] to the Trademark [6] and Local Labs [7] pages in the wiki.
 The motion was seconded and we began a vote, but whereas it seemed to
 be a controversial decision, I though it prudent to ask those who were
 not able to attend today's Sugar Labs oversight board meeting to also
 vote.

 So far,

 walter +1
 cjl +1

 icarito -1

 alsroot has not voted yet.

 cjb, canoeberry, and geralda were not present.

 Please respond to this email with your vote.

Since we'd like to consider revising the third statement, I'll vote -1
on this motion -- my impression is that we don't all consider the
proposed wording ready to be decided on, which is a good reason not
to adopt it yet.

(Voting this way now doesn't mean I'd definitely vote this way again
on the same text in the future; it's because we're still looking into
revising the text, not because I find the change unacceptable.)

Thanks!

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Local Labs motion

2012-05-30 Thread John Tierney

Hello,

Not meaning to get in the way of the motion but after reading the log and the 
back and forth, may I suggest 
the following wording that I believe takes care of the legal, honors the 
concerns voiced, makes it more inviting, 
and suggests an informal non-legal association. 

Present:
  Sugar Labs Local Labs are not officially endorsed by or affiliated with 
Sugar Labs or the Software Freedom Conservancy.

Revised:

  Sugar Labs Local Labs, although vital to the Sugar Labs community ecosystem, 
are not officially endorsed by or affiliated with Sugar Labs or the Software 
Freedom Conservancy.

Hope it may help move the process forward.

Best!
John Tierney

 Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 19:13:26 -0400
 From: walter.ben...@gmail.com
 To: h...@laptop.org; gerald.ard...@gmail.com; c...@laptop.org
 CC: t...@sfconservancy.org; bk...@sfconservancy.org; 
 iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org
 Subject: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Local Labs motion
 
 Buried in the meeting log [1] is a motion [5] to adopt three changes
 [2, 3, 4] to the Trademark [6] and Local Labs [7] pages in the wiki.
 The motion was seconded and we began a vote, but whereas it seemed to
 be a controversial decision, I though it prudent to ask those who were
 not able to attend today's Sugar Labs oversight board meeting to also
 vote.
 
 So far,
 
 walter +1
 cjl +1
 
 icarito -1
 
 alsroot has not voted yet.
 
 cjb, canoeberry, and geralda were not present.
 
 Please respond to this email with your vote.
 
 Also, there was motion [8], not yet seconded, to ask Tony if he was OK
 with a change in the wording of [4]. There was not consensus on the
 wording, but there was consensus on asking for Tony's input.
 
 Tony, could you please chime in?
 
 thanks.
 
 -walter
 
 -- 
 Walter Bender
 Sugar Labs
 http://www.sugarlabs.org
 
 
 [1] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10
 [2] 
 http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739410
 [3] 
 http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739421
 [4] 
 http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739445
 [5] 
 http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739570
 [6] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trademark
 [7] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs
 [8] 
 http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739707
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Local Labs motion

2012-05-30 Thread Walter Bender
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote:
 Hi,

 I'm sorry I wasn't there; it conflicted with OLPC's weekly engineering
 meeting.  I should be able to make the next meeting.

 Responding in reverse order:

 On Wed, May 30 2012, Walter Bender wrote:
 Also, there was motion [8], not yet seconded, to ask Tony if he was OK
 with a change in the wording of [4]. There was not consensus on the
 wording, but there was consensus on asking for Tony's input.

 I don't think this needs to be voted on -- we can talk to Tony without
 voting to decide to talk to Tony.  Let's do that.

As I noted in the meeting.

I did reach out to Tony, and he has responded: I can't approve this edit.


 Buried in the meeting log [1] is a motion [5] to adopt three changes
 [2, 3, 4] to the Trademark [6] and Local Labs [7] pages in the wiki.
 The motion was seconded and we began a vote, but whereas it seemed to
 be a controversial decision, I though it prudent to ask those who were
 not able to attend today's Sugar Labs oversight board meeting to also
 vote.

 So far,

 walter +1
 cjl +1

 icarito -1

 alsroot has not voted yet.

 cjb, canoeberry, and geralda were not present.

 Please respond to this email with your vote.

 Since we'd like to consider revising the third statement, I'll vote -1
 on this motion -- my impression is that we don't all consider the
 proposed wording ready to be decided on, which is a good reason not
 to adopt it yet.

So noted.

What do you suggest we do to get to the point were we can bring this to closure?


 (Voting this way now doesn't mean I'd definitely vote this way again
 on the same text in the future; it's because we're still looking into
 revising the text, not because I find the change unacceptable.)

The revision proposed by Icarito was not acceptable to the SFC. Are
there other revisions on the table?


 Thanks!

 - Chris.
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 One Laptop Per Child

regards.

-walter

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Local Labs motion

2012-05-30 Thread Dr. Gerald Ardito
+1

Gerald

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
 Buried in the meeting log [1] is a motion [5] to adopt three changes
 [2, 3, 4] to the Trademark [6] and Local Labs [7] pages in the wiki.
 The motion was seconded and we began a vote, but whereas it seemed to
 be a controversial decision, I though it prudent to ask those who were
 not able to attend today's Sugar Labs oversight board meeting to also
 vote.

 So far,

 walter +1
 cjl +1

 icarito -1

 alsroot has not voted yet.

 cjb, canoeberry, and geralda were not present.

 Please respond to this email with your vote.

 Also, there was motion [8], not yet seconded, to ask Tony if he was OK
 with a change in the wording of [4]. There was not consensus on the
 wording, but there was consensus on asking for Tony's input.

 Tony, could you please chime in?

 thanks.

 -walter

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 Sugar Labs
 http://www.sugarlabs.org


 [1] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10
 [2] 
 http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739410
 [3] 
 http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739421
 [4] 
 http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739445
 [5] 
 http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739570
 [6] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trademark
 [7] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs
 [8] 
 http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739707
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