Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Initial tests of Sugar on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS

[James Cameron]

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 11:52:34PM +, Walter Bender wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 7:44 AM Tony Anderson <[1]tony_ander...@usa.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> On April 27, 2018 I downloaded the ubuntu-18.04-desktop-amd64.iso. I
> generated a boot usb drive with dd. The usb stick was used to install
> Ubuntu 18.04 LTS alongside Windows 10. Sugar was installed using sudo
> apt-get install sucrose.
> 
>  From [2]http://activities.sugarlabs.org/activities, I scraped a list of
> the most recent versions of each activity. This list contained 714
> entries. However a number turned out to be empty or duplicates. These
> reduced the list to 516 activities.
> 
> I them matched each item against the repostories in
> '[3]http://github.com/sugarlabs'. There were corresponding repositories 
> for
> 222 of the 516 activities. All of these repositories (.zip) were
> downloaded to the Positivo. One turned out to be empty:
> lybniz_graph_plotter.
> 
> The 221 repositories were unzipped and an attempt was made to build a
> bundle with 'python setup.py dist_xo'. This process failed with
> activities which included 'from sugar.activity import activity'. These
> have not yet been ported to GTK3. This reduced the number of activities
> to 106. Each of these activities was launched from the Home View on the
> Positivo. Of these 91 executed as expected. The others failed to start
> for various reasons.
> 
> Did you try installing the GTK2 toolkit packages? I would think that the GTK2
> activities would still run with the toolkit installed. 

You can do this, but not from the Ubuntu 18.04 archive.  Custom packages.

Here's what happened; Rsvg upstream dropped GTK+ 2 support, this
cascaded to Debian then Ubuntu dropping Sugar Toolkit for GTK+ 2.

https://bugs.debian.org/790156 (Calculate)
https://bugs.debian.org/790157 (Record)
https://bugs.debian.org/790158 (Sugar Toolkit for GTK+ 2)

Previous package names are python-rsvg and python-sugar-toolkit, and
they were last included in Ubuntu 17.10.

Also GStreamer 0.10 is no longer maintained upstream, and has been
removed from Ubuntu, so any GTK+ 2 activity that uses "import gst"
won't work without custom packages.

I'm yet to decide if my OLPC OS build will have these custom packages.

Storage cost of Sugar Toolkit for GTK+ 2 and all these custom
dependencies is trivial compared to the eMMC and SSD design sizes
available in factory.

> The details are in the attached spreadsheet - all normal disclaimers
> apply. The comment 'help' means I didn't really understand how to work
> the activity.
> 
> Some general comments. The availability of Sugar on an LTS version of a
> major distribution is an opportunity to demonstrate that the value of
> Sugar is not limited to the XO. Unfortunately, the method to launch
> Sugar is not obvious. You must click on your user panel to show the
> password entry. Below, there is a 'gear' icon. You must click on that to
> choose Sugar. Then you need to enter your Ubuntu password.
> 
> On the first run, you are asked about colors, gender and age. In this
> age with every site collecting private information for sale - this does
> not make a good first impression.
> 
> Sugar on Ubuntu launches to the (empty) Journal View! Ubuntu itself
> provides a built-in set of welcome slides to introduce its new features.
> Sadly, Sugar launches to a brick wall. The user needs to know to display
> the Home View (using F3 or the Frame - F6).
> 
> The Sugar install is minimal compared to what we have become used to.
> The Home View has 5 activities: Browse, Calculate, Chat, Pippy, and
> Write. Installed but not favorites are ImageViewer, Jukebox, Log, Read,
> and Terminal. Presumably users are expected to install additional
> activities from the 91 tested above. However, in general, these bundles
> are not available on [4]activities.sugarlabs.org and require some 
> technical
> expertise to install from github.
> 
> On a positive note: connection to the internet and to the schoolserver
> was smooth. The Neighborhood View worked as expected. Downloads from the
> school server to the Journal worked as normal. As far as I could tell,
> the working activities showed normal screen coverage.
> 
> On Sugar with Ubuntu, you are your Ubuntu user - not olpc. Activities
> available to all Sugar users on a laptop are in
> /usr/share/sugar/activities. Activities installed by
> sugar-install-bundle are in /home/yourusername/Activities and are only
> available to you. With some technical expertise you can copy an activity
> to the /usr/share/sugar/Activities directory to share it with other users.
> 
> Tony
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Initial tests of Sugar on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS

[Walter Bender]

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 7:44 AM Tony Anderson  wrote:

> On April 27, 2018 I downloaded the ubuntu-18.04-desktop-amd64.iso. I
> generated a boot usb drive with dd. The usb stick was used to install
> Ubuntu 18.04 LTS alongside Windows 10. Sugar was installed using sudo
> apt-get install sucrose.
>
>  From http://activities.sugarlabs.org/activities, I scraped a list of
> the most recent versions of each activity. This list contained 714
> entries. However a number turned out to be empty or duplicates. These
> reduced the list to 516 activities.
>
> I them matched each item against the repostories in
> 'http://github.com/sugarlabs'. There were corresponding repositories for
> 222 of the 516 activities. All of these repositories (.zip) were
> downloaded to the Positivo. One turned out to be empty:
> lybniz_graph_plotter.
>
> The 221 repositories were unzipped and an attempt was made to build a
> bundle with 'python setup.py dist_xo'. This process failed with
> activities which included 'from sugar.activity import activity'. These
> have not yet been ported to GTK3. This reduced the number of activities
> to 106. Each of these activities was launched from the Home View on the
> Positivo. Of these 91 executed as expected. The others failed to start
> for various reasons.
>

Did you try installing the GTK2 toolkit packages? I would think that the
GTK2 activities would still run with the toolkit installed.

>
> The details are in the attached spreadsheet - all normal disclaimers
> apply. The comment 'help' means I didn't really understand how to work
> the activity.
>
> Some general comments. The availability of Sugar on an LTS version of a
> major distribution is an opportunity to demonstrate that the value of
> Sugar is not limited to the XO. Unfortunately, the method to launch
> Sugar is not obvious. You must click on your user panel to show the
> password entry. Below, there is a 'gear' icon. You must click on that to
> choose Sugar. Then you need to enter your Ubuntu password.
>
> On the first run, you are asked about colors, gender and age. In this
> age with every site collecting private information for sale - this does
> not make a good first impression.
>
> Sugar on Ubuntu launches to the (empty) Journal View! Ubuntu itself
> provides a built-in set of welcome slides to introduce its new features.
> Sadly, Sugar launches to a brick wall. The user needs to know to display
> the Home View (using F3 or the Frame - F6).
>
> The Sugar install is minimal compared to what we have become used to.
> The Home View has 5 activities: Browse, Calculate, Chat, Pippy, and
> Write. Installed but not favorites are ImageViewer, Jukebox, Log, Read,
> and Terminal. Presumably users are expected to install additional
> activities from the 91 tested above. However, in general, these bundles
> are not available on activities.sugarlabs.org and require some technical
> expertise to install from github.
>
> On a positive note: connection to the internet and to the schoolserver
> was smooth. The Neighborhood View worked as expected. Downloads from the
> school server to the Journal worked as normal. As far as I could tell,
> the working activities showed normal screen coverage.
>
> On Sugar with Ubuntu, you are your Ubuntu user - not olpc. Activities
> available to all Sugar users on a laptop are in
> /usr/share/sugar/activities. Activities installed by
> sugar-install-bundle are in /home/yourusername/Activities and are only
> available to you. With some technical expertise you can copy an activity
> to the /usr/share/sugar/Activities directory to share it with other users.
>
> Tony
>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Initial tests of Sugar on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS

[Tony Anderson]

The next step in this process is to upload the working activities to the 
schoolserver and then downloading and installing on an XO-1.5 with the 
13.2.8 build to verify that these activities also work on an XO. This 
can then form a core of activities.


Part of the reduction in numbers from the 714 in ASLO came from deleting 
the GCompris activities. These are available by installation on gnome 
and then using a simple Sugar activity wrapper. Unfortunately 
maintaining these activities separately requires more investment of 
technical resources than are available. The sugar-web-activities were 
not tested and so should increase the number of available activities.


Tony

On Monday, 30 April, 2018 08:18 PM, Walter Bender wrote:
Thanks Tony. This will help a lot as we try to put the finishing 
touches on the new activity portal. Also, it will provide further 
guidance to the student working on GTK2 porting. As far as the Ubuntu 
bug, it is on our radar.


regards.

-walter

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 7:44 AM Tony Anderson > wrote:


On April 27, 2018 I downloaded the ubuntu-18.04-desktop-amd64.iso. I
generated a boot usb drive with dd. The usb stick was used to install
Ubuntu 18.04 LTS alongside Windows 10. Sugar was installed using sudo
apt-get install sucrose.

 From http://activities.sugarlabs.org/activities, I scraped a list of
the most recent versions of each activity. This list contained 714
entries. However a number turned out to be empty or duplicates. These
reduced the list to 516 activities.

I them matched each item against the repostories in
'http://github.com/sugarlabs'. There were corresponding
repositories for
222 of the 516 activities. All of these repositories (.zip) were
downloaded to the Positivo. One turned out to be empty:
lybniz_graph_plotter.

The 221 repositories were unzipped and an attempt was made to build a
bundle with 'python setup.py dist_xo'. This process failed with
activities which included 'from sugar.activity import activity'.
These
have not yet been ported to GTK3. This reduced the number of
activities
to 106. Each of these activities was launched from the Home View
on the
Positivo. Of these 91 executed as expected. The others failed to
start
for various reasons.

The details are in the attached spreadsheet - all normal disclaimers
apply. The comment 'help' means I didn't really understand how to
work
the activity.

Some general comments. The availability of Sugar on an LTS version
of a
major distribution is an opportunity to demonstrate that the value of
Sugar is not limited to the XO. Unfortunately, the method to launch
Sugar is not obvious. You must click on your user panel to show the
password entry. Below, there is a 'gear' icon. You must click on
that to
choose Sugar. Then you need to enter your Ubuntu password.

On the first run, you are asked about colors, gender and age. In this
age with every site collecting private information for sale - this
does
not make a good first impression.

Sugar on Ubuntu launches to the (empty) Journal View! Ubuntu itself
provides a built-in set of welcome slides to introduce its new
features.
Sadly, Sugar launches to a brick wall. The user needs to know to
display
the Home View (using F3 or the Frame - F6).

The Sugar install is minimal compared to what we have become used to.
The Home View has 5 activities: Browse, Calculate, Chat, Pippy, and
Write. Installed but not favorites are ImageViewer, Jukebox, Log,
Read,
and Terminal. Presumably users are expected to install additional
activities from the 91 tested above. However, in general, these
bundles
are not available on activities.sugarlabs.org
 and require some technical
expertise to install from github.

On a positive note: connection to the internet and to the
schoolserver
was smooth. The Neighborhood View worked as expected. Downloads
from the
school server to the Journal worked as normal. As far as I could
tell,
the working activities showed normal screen coverage.

On Sugar with Ubuntu, you are your Ubuntu user - not olpc. Activities
available to all Sugar users on a laptop are in
/usr/share/sugar/activities. Activities installed by
sugar-install-bundle are in /home/yourusername/Activities and are
only
available to you. With some technical expertise you can copy an
activity
to the /usr/share/sugar/Activities directory to share it with
other users.

Tony

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Initial tests of Sugar on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS

[Walter Bender]

Thanks Tony. This will help a lot as we try to put the finishing touches on
the new activity portal. Also, it will provide further guidance to the
student working on GTK2 porting. As far as the Ubuntu bug, it is on our
radar.

regards.

-walter

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 7:44 AM Tony Anderson  wrote:

> On April 27, 2018 I downloaded the ubuntu-18.04-desktop-amd64.iso. I
> generated a boot usb drive with dd. The usb stick was used to install
> Ubuntu 18.04 LTS alongside Windows 10. Sugar was installed using sudo
> apt-get install sucrose.
>
>  From http://activities.sugarlabs.org/activities, I scraped a list of
> the most recent versions of each activity. This list contained 714
> entries. However a number turned out to be empty or duplicates. These
> reduced the list to 516 activities.
>
> I them matched each item against the repostories in
> 'http://github.com/sugarlabs'. There were corresponding repositories for
> 222 of the 516 activities. All of these repositories (.zip) were
> downloaded to the Positivo. One turned out to be empty:
> lybniz_graph_plotter.
>
> The 221 repositories were unzipped and an attempt was made to build a
> bundle with 'python setup.py dist_xo'. This process failed with
> activities which included 'from sugar.activity import activity'. These
> have not yet been ported to GTK3. This reduced the number of activities
> to 106. Each of these activities was launched from the Home View on the
> Positivo. Of these 91 executed as expected. The others failed to start
> for various reasons.
>
> The details are in the attached spreadsheet - all normal disclaimers
> apply. The comment 'help' means I didn't really understand how to work
> the activity.
>
> Some general comments. The availability of Sugar on an LTS version of a
> major distribution is an opportunity to demonstrate that the value of
> Sugar is not limited to the XO. Unfortunately, the method to launch
> Sugar is not obvious. You must click on your user panel to show the
> password entry. Below, there is a 'gear' icon. You must click on that to
> choose Sugar. Then you need to enter your Ubuntu password.
>
> On the first run, you are asked about colors, gender and age. In this
> age with every site collecting private information for sale - this does
> not make a good first impression.
>
> Sugar on Ubuntu launches to the (empty) Journal View! Ubuntu itself
> provides a built-in set of welcome slides to introduce its new features.
> Sadly, Sugar launches to a brick wall. The user needs to know to display
> the Home View (using F3 or the Frame - F6).
>
> The Sugar install is minimal compared to what we have become used to.
> The Home View has 5 activities: Browse, Calculate, Chat, Pippy, and
> Write. Installed but not favorites are ImageViewer, Jukebox, Log, Read,
> and Terminal. Presumably users are expected to install additional
> activities from the 91 tested above. However, in general, these bundles
> are not available on activities.sugarlabs.org and require some technical
> expertise to install from github.
>
> On a positive note: connection to the internet and to the schoolserver
> was smooth. The Neighborhood View worked as expected. Downloads from the
> school server to the Journal worked as normal. As far as I could tell,
> the working activities showed normal screen coverage.
>
> On Sugar with Ubuntu, you are your Ubuntu user - not olpc. Activities
> available to all Sugar users on a laptop are in
> /usr/share/sugar/activities. Activities installed by
> sugar-install-bundle are in /home/yourusername/Activities and are only
> available to you. With some technical expertise you can copy an activity
> to the /usr/share/sugar/Activities directory to share it with other users.
>
> Tony
>
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